Author Topic: Saving any settings in a file, even just a volume adjustment, writes ENCODER tag  (Read 10403 times)

SonicRings

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Personally it irritates me quite a bit when people that chose to use an advanced music manager that will obviously need to manage the metadata of files, and as a result might need to update files under some circumstances (without deleting or altering any of the original metadata) complain about metadata being added, or a file timestamp being changed.
I think they should look for other solutions to solve their 'problem'.

I'm sorry I've irritated you. That was not my intent.

Now, when you call this an advanced music manager, and then immediately try to use that to justify the fact that it writes tags that it was never told to do so, how exactly does that back up your statement? How is hard-coding an action to run a pointless, redundant task when an unrelated action is performed, "advanced"? What good does writing the encoder tag do? What purpose does it serve? It already knows the encoder, so why would it then write it to a tag?

What happens if you convert the file? It will have an incorrect encoder tag that would then "need" to be updated. I say "need" in quotes because even if you don't update it, nothing will change. It doesn't affect anything. Musicbee will already know what encoder it's using regardless of the tag and update it accordingly. Since it gets that from the properties of the file, not the tags.

It's like writing the bitrate, sample rate and bit depth to the tags. What's the point? You uh... read the file properties, then write those to a tag? Why?

I don't need to look for other solutions to solve my "problem" as it's already been solved via making a copy of the track, making the edit I want to make, and then restoring the copy of the track. Since the edits I'm making are internal to musicbee, they don't get changed then I restore the original file. This works.

Again, sorry for irritating you, but you have to understand this isn't about you, it's about the expected behaviour of a software that goes against the norm. The encoder tag serves no purpose, and thus shouldn't be forcibly written.

This was brought up in the past when someone was making edits to the tags, which is still weird, but their date modified and date accessed attributes would have already changed either way. In my case, I'm not making any edits to the file, so I understandibly don't want the files to be edited.
Last Edit: April 06, 2022, 04:43:38 PM by SonicRings

hiccup

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I'm sorry I've irritated you. That was not my intent.
It's not 'you' that irritated me.
It's the idea and complaints that are raised once in a while by users of an advanced music manager that complain about it actually managing stuff that is helpful and useful.

I'm not going to fuel or continue a discussion on this.
I gave my honest opinion in my previous reply. Do anything you like with it.

Your opinion and observation that me sharing my opinion on this is "just about me" is correct in only one sense: It's my opinion.
(not that you said that to improve on the discussion did you?)

So are your opinions and replies perhaps also "just about you"?

SonicRings

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I'm sorry I've irritated you. That was not my intent.
It's the idea and complaints that are raised once in a while by users of an advanced music manager that complain about it actually managing stuff that is helpful and useful.
Please explain what is helpful and useful about saving the encoder to a tag.

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this isn't about you, it's about the expected behaviour of a software that goes against the norm.

I'm sorry I've irritated you. That was not my intent.

So are your opinions and replies perhaps also "just about you"?

As I said, it's about expected behaviour and following the norm. If you consider that to be "just about me" - that nobody else would expect software to follow expected behaviour based on the established norms, and doing only exactly what the user told it to do and nothing more - then by all means, it's all about me, and I embrace it.
Last Edit: April 06, 2022, 05:14:04 PM by SonicRings

hiccup

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Ok, I punched a bag that was hanging from a ceiling and now I am back.

You raised this being a software bug.
What is the malfunction, and what actual problem is this is causing for you?

SonicRings

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Ok, I punched a bag that was hanging from a ceiling and now I am back.

You raised this being a software bug.
What is the malfunction, and what actual problem is this is causing for you?

Please read OP and my replies.

Tl;Dr -  It saved encoder tag when I didn't tell it to.

hiccup

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You raised this being a software bug.
What is the malfunction, and what actual problem is this is causing for you?
It saved encoder tag when I didn't tell it to.
I'll try again:

What is the software malfunction, and what actual problem are you experiencing from this bug intended behaviour?

(notice 'intended'? The developer explained to you that it was intended in his first and prompt reply to your original complaint)

SonicRings

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You raised this being a software bug.
What is the malfunction, and what actual problem is this is causing for you?
It saved encoder tag when I didn't tell it to.
I'll try again:

What is the software malfunction, and what actual problem are you experiencing from this bug intended behaviour?

(notice 'intended'? The developer explained to you that it was intended in his first and prompt reply to your original complaint)

It's already been explained. I don't know why you're trying to drag this on and argue in circles.

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I don't know why you're trying to drag this on and argue in circles.
You are.
The developer himself explained it's not a bug but intended behaviour.
If that doesn't satisfy you, go create a wishlist topic.

But don't keep going in circles in this bug reports board claiming that this is a software bug when it clearly isn't.

SonicRings

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I don't know why you're trying to drag this on and argue in circles.
You are.
The developer himself explained it's not a bug but intended behaviour.
If that doesn't satisfy you, go create a wishlist topic.

But don't keep going in circles in this bug reports board claiming that this is a software bug when it clearly isn't.

No, I wasn't. I was merely responding to you.

Also, it may not be a bug from Steven's perspective, but look at the view count for this thread. It is the 34th most viewed thread on this entire forum, and was only posted 5 months ago.

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I'll make a wishlist request. Thanks!
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but look at the view count for this thread. It is the 35th most viewed thread on this entire forum, and was only posted 5 months ago.
Might be because I made this about me, and also a little bit more interesting?

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but look at the view count for this thread. It is the 35th most viewed thread on this entire forum, and was only posted 5 months ago.
Might be because I made this about me and also a little bit more interesting?
Oh of course, your comment made this thread gain 7 thousand views in just a matter of an hour. Thank you for your exposure.

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Oh of course, your comment made this thread gain 7 thousand views in just a matter of an hour. Thank you for your exposure.
You are welcome.
But it's probably also the most unproductive and non-issue thread I have ever contributed to.

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Oh of course, your comment made this thread gain 7 thousand views in just a matter of an hour. Thank you for your exposure.
You are welcome.
But it's probably also the most unproductive and non-issue thread I have ever contributed to.
We can try to fix that by getting back on topic.

I'm sorry I've irritated you. That was not my intent.
It's the idea and complaints that are raised once in a while by users of an advanced music manager that complain about it actually managing stuff that is helpful and useful.
Please explain what is helpful and useful about saving the encoder to a tag.

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We can try to fix that by getting back on topic.

Please explain what is helpful and useful about saving the encoder to a tag.
Have you already forgotten we are in the 'bug reports' board here?
What is not clear about that?

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