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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by hiccup on Today at 05:36:36 PM   |  Started by marob

hiccup, I understand I'm a bit of a zealot when it comes to EQ. For me, it's like tweaking the colors of a painting in Photoshop to personal

No problem, surely everybody is entitled to his opinion.
But I think the examples I presented are much closer to facts than opinions. (in my opinion ;-)

The analogy to Photoshop:
A (semi) professional will also adjust his monitor to get things displaying correctly using contrast, gamma, colour correction, etc.
He will also run into sub-par quality sources once in a while. Perhaps the camera that took the picture was not adjusted properly when the picture was taken. Perhaps it was processed inbetween by somebody with a badly calibrated display, or it was optimized for print instead of for monitor display, etc. etc.
All valid reasons to make adjustments to photographs sometimes too.

(The life of a zealot will surely be simpler in this regard.
But he might miss out on some extra enjoyment... )

Back on-topic:

Your advice of lowering frequencies instead of increasing is certainly a good one.
But when you take human nature into account, if a person hears too little bass to his taste, his impulse will be to turn up the bass.
So realistically, that's just what any regular person will do.
And it's not a problem, as long as he understands he then consequently should lower the pre-amp slider.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 01:32:24 PM   |  Started by marob

hiccup, I understand I'm a bit of a zealot when it comes to EQ. For me, it's like tweaking the colors of a painting in Photoshop to personal taste.  Audio vandalism.  I'm not normal in this.

Just to be clear, this was the advice.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

And this is pure zealotry.

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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MusicBee Wishlist / Tags from google

Last post by TheFlyingCelt on Today at 10:24:37 AM   |  Started by TheFlyingCelt

Hi everybody!

I have noticed that most of the times auto-tagging with 30 seconds sample will provide wrong or no results.
I have tested Google Assistant to listen to some seconds of my tracks and compared the results: Google never goes wrong. Ever.
My request for future release is: it would be great if MusicBee used Google to provide 30 sec sample auto-tagging as it is lot more reliable according to my tests.

Thanks

4

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 09:35:54 AM   |  Started by ddripper

And this is trying to delete it after MusicBee somehow managed to create it:

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:56:54 AM   |  Started by marob

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing.

In defense of e.q.-ing sometimes:

I own a rather unforgiving set of very neutral speakers that would be considered high-end.
There are recordings that have extremely low volumes at low frequencies.
It could be that they are mixed and mastered for cheap radios in the old days, could be that it was not mixed in an expensive studio, and the monitor speakers had too much bass.
Also, I have some modern recordings that are of a great sound quality, but have a bass that is so extremely loud in some specific low frequency that it scares even me. (and I like bass)
That is probably because the room or the speakers originally used for mixing didn't reveal those specific low frequencies.

Also, many speakers and headphones (especially in the lower price range) won't have a flat frequency response, can sound boomy, have exaggerated highs, etc. It's perfectly valid to try and make those sound a little bit more pleasant by using some e.q.-ing.

And, at low volume levels, the human ear is far less sensitive for low and high frequencies.
That's also why the (often mis-used) 'loudness button' was invented...

So, while I do agree that you should always try to get (your ears) used to listen to music without fiddling with e.q., there are some very valid reasons to use them.

At the O.P.:
But be sure that when in MusicBee you increase some sliders, also make sure that you lower the pre-amp slider on the left with a substantial amount to prevent clipping or distortion.

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:35:32 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

But I see that MusicBee will allow it.
Perhaps the problem lies there somehow?

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 01:32:24 PM   |  Started by marob

hiccup, I understand I'm a bit of a zealot when it comes to EQ. For me, it's like tweaking the colors of a painting in Photoshop to personal taste.  Audio vandalism.  I'm not normal in this.

Just to be clear, this was the advice.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

And this is pure zealotry.

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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MusicBee Wishlist / Tags from google

Last post by TheFlyingCelt on Today at 10:24:37 AM   |  Started by TheFlyingCelt

Hi everybody!

I have noticed that most of the times auto-tagging with 30 seconds sample will provide wrong or no results.
I have tested Google Assistant to listen to some seconds of my tracks and compared the results: Google never goes wrong. Ever.
My request for future release is: it would be great if MusicBee used Google to provide 30 sec sample auto-tagging as it is lot more reliable according to my tests.

Thanks

4

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 09:35:54 AM   |  Started by ddripper

And this is trying to delete it after MusicBee somehow managed to create it:

5

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:56:54 AM   |  Started by marob

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing.

In defense of e.q.-ing sometimes:

I own a rather unforgiving set of very neutral speakers that would be considered high-end.
There are recordings that have extremely low volumes at low frequencies.
It could be that they are mixed and mastered for cheap radios in the old days, could be that it was not mixed in an expensive studio, and the monitor speakers had too much bass.
Also, I have some modern recordings that are of a great sound quality, but have a bass that is so extremely loud in some specific low frequency that it scares even me. (and I like bass)
That is probably because the room or the speakers originally used for mixing didn't reveal those specific low frequencies.

Also, many speakers and headphones (especially in the lower price range) won't have a flat frequency response, can sound boomy, have exaggerated highs, etc. It's perfectly valid to try and make those sound a little bit more pleasant by using some e.q.-ing.

And, at low volume levels, the human ear is far less sensitive for low and high frequencies.
That's also why the (often mis-used) 'loudness button' was invented...

So, while I do agree that you should always try to get (your ears) used to listen to music without fiddling with e.q., there are some very valid reasons to use them.

At the O.P.:
But be sure that when in MusicBee you increase some sliders, also make sure that you lower the pre-amp slider on the left with a substantial amount to prevent clipping or distortion.

6

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:35:32 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

But I see that MusicBee will allow it.
Perhaps the problem lies there somehow?

7

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

8

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

9

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

10

Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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MusicBee Wishlist / Tags from google

Last post by TheFlyingCelt on Today at 10:24:37 AM   |  Started by TheFlyingCelt

Hi everybody!

I have noticed that most of the times auto-tagging with 30 seconds sample will provide wrong or no results.
I have tested Google Assistant to listen to some seconds of my tracks and compared the results: Google never goes wrong. Ever.
My request for future release is: it would be great if MusicBee used Google to provide 30 sec sample auto-tagging as it is lot more reliable according to my tests.

Thanks

4

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 09:35:54 AM   |  Started by ddripper

And this is trying to delete it after MusicBee somehow managed to create it:

5

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:56:54 AM   |  Started by marob

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing.

In defense of e.q.-ing sometimes:

I own a rather unforgiving set of very neutral speakers that would be considered high-end.
There are recordings that have extremely low volumes at low frequencies.
It could be that they are mixed and mastered for cheap radios in the old days, could be that it was not mixed in an expensive studio, and the monitor speakers had too much bass.
Also, I have some modern recordings that are of a great sound quality, but have a bass that is so extremely loud in some specific low frequency that it scares even me. (and I like bass)
That is probably because the room or the speakers originally used for mixing didn't reveal those specific low frequencies.

Also, many speakers and headphones (especially in the lower price range) won't have a flat frequency response, can sound boomy, have exaggerated highs, etc. It's perfectly valid to try and make those sound a little bit more pleasant by using some e.q.-ing.

And, at low volume levels, the human ear is far less sensitive for low and high frequencies.
That's also why the (often mis-used) 'loudness button' was invented...

So, while I do agree that you should always try to get (your ears) used to listen to music without fiddling with e.q., there are some very valid reasons to use them.

At the O.P.:
But be sure that when in MusicBee you increase some sliders, also make sure that you lower the pre-amp slider on the left with a substantial amount to prevent clipping or distortion.

6

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:35:32 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

But I see that MusicBee will allow it.
Perhaps the problem lies there somehow?

7

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

8

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

9

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

10

Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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•   Get MusicBee
• Version 3.3.7310
• For Win7/ Win8/ Win10
• Released on January 9, 2020
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Add-ons for MusicBee

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•   Add a new feature to the Wishlist
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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 09:35:54 AM   |  Started by ddripper

And this is trying to delete it after MusicBee somehow managed to create it:

5

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:56:54 AM   |  Started by marob

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing.

In defense of e.q.-ing sometimes:

I own a rather unforgiving set of very neutral speakers that would be considered high-end.
There are recordings that have extremely low volumes at low frequencies.
It could be that they are mixed and mastered for cheap radios in the old days, could be that it was not mixed in an expensive studio, and the monitor speakers had too much bass.
Also, I have some modern recordings that are of a great sound quality, but have a bass that is so extremely loud in some specific low frequency that it scares even me. (and I like bass)
That is probably because the room or the speakers originally used for mixing didn't reveal those specific low frequencies.

Also, many speakers and headphones (especially in the lower price range) won't have a flat frequency response, can sound boomy, have exaggerated highs, etc. It's perfectly valid to try and make those sound a little bit more pleasant by using some e.q.-ing.

And, at low volume levels, the human ear is far less sensitive for low and high frequencies.
That's also why the (often mis-used) 'loudness button' was invented...

So, while I do agree that you should always try to get (your ears) used to listen to music without fiddling with e.q., there are some very valid reasons to use them.

At the O.P.:
But be sure that when in MusicBee you increase some sliders, also make sure that you lower the pre-amp slider on the left with a substantial amount to prevent clipping or distortion.

6

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:35:32 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

But I see that MusicBee will allow it.
Perhaps the problem lies there somehow?

7

Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

8

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

9

Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

10

Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Get MusicBee

•   Get MusicBee
• Version 3.3.7310
• For Win7/ Win8/ Win10
• Released on January 9, 2020
• Want to get notified of new releases?
•   Subscribe to RSS   Twitter

Add-ons for MusicBee

•   Skins
•   Plugins
•   Visualizer
•   Theater Mode
•   Misc

More

•   Developer API
•   Report a bug
•   Add a new feature to the Wishlist
•   Press & Media
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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:56:54 AM   |  Started by marob

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing.

In defense of e.q.-ing sometimes:

I own a rather unforgiving set of very neutral speakers that would be considered high-end.
There are recordings that have extremely low volumes at low frequencies.
It could be that they are mixed and mastered for cheap radios in the old days, could be that it was not mixed in an expensive studio, and the monitor speakers had too much bass.
Also, I have some modern recordings that are of a great sound quality, but have a bass that is so extremely loud in some specific low frequency that it scares even me. (and I like bass)
That is probably because the room or the speakers originally used for mixing didn't reveal those specific low frequencies.

Also, many speakers and headphones (especially in the lower price range) won't have a flat frequency response, can sound boomy, have exaggerated highs, etc. It's perfectly valid to try and make those sound a little bit more pleasant by using some e.q.-ing.

And, at low volume levels, the human ear is far less sensitive for low and high frequencies.
That's also why the (often mis-used) 'loudness button' was invented...

So, while I do agree that you should always try to get (your ears) used to listen to music without fiddling with e.q., there are some very valid reasons to use them.

At the O.P.:
But be sure that when in MusicBee you increase some sliders, also make sure that you lower the pre-amp slider on the left with a substantial amount to prevent clipping or distortion.

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:35:32 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

But I see that MusicBee will allow it.
Perhaps the problem lies there somehow?

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by hiccup on Today at 08:35:32 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

But I see that MusicBee will allow it.
Perhaps the problem lies there somehow?

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Bug Reports / Re: Adding Folders That End In .M

Last post by Zak on Today at 07:16:30 AM   |  Started by ddripper

Looks like you have this sussed, but Windows won't allow you to create a file or folder name that ends with a period.

Do not end a file or directory name with a space or a period. Although the underlying file system may support such names, the Windows shell and user interface does not. However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".

From:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/naming-a-file?redirectedfrom=MSDN#naming-conventions

So you probably weren't trying to create a folder called "R.E.M", but "R.E.M.".

If you try in Windows Explorer it will create the file/folder and just silently remove the period. I'm not sure how MusicBee handles it if you try to create a file naming template with that artist name in it, but it's possible creating folders via an API call would handle it less gracefully.

As to why this is the case, it's safe to assume it's left over from the good ol' DOS days with its 8.3 naming conventions. The period indicated the end of the file name and the start of the extension (i.e. the file type). A lot of programs still rely on that extension to know what to do with a file, so a trailing period would leave you with a confusing kind of anonymous file.

Another anachronism is that you still can't name a file any of CON, PRN, AUX or NUL because they are - and always have been - reserved names for devices. The Microsoft article above includes a more complete list.

Windows won't allow me to create a folder ending with a punctuation.

You should be able to create files and folders ending with any punction besides those in Phred's screenshot - which can't appear anywhere within a name - or a period.
$ # % ^ etc. are all fair game.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by frankz on Today at 06:36:25 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.

It doesn't.

OP, best use of EQ, especially with music that is already close to peaking, is to decrease undesirable frequencies, not boost frequencies you want more of. You're taking frequencies that are already peaking and pushing them past 0 and wondering why it sounds bad?

Honestly, mastering professionals sitting behind tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment know what they're doing. They're trained and skilled. What are you going to do at home with free plugins to improve on their work?

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Questions / Re: Compression with EQ

Last post by sveakul on Today at 05:47:06 AM   |  Started by marob

It's news to me that MusicBee does any form of built-in compression.  I use the built-in EQ, and do boost some bass and treble ranges with it, along with a separate VST plugin that allows you to vary/balance both limiting and compression (Sonic Anomaly's "Unlimited", http://www.vst4free.com/free_vst.php?plugin=Unlimited&id=2843).  You may want to give that a try (you'll need to add the MusicBee VST Host plugin first if not installed).

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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Questions / Compression with EQ

Last post by marob on Today at 04:06:57 AM   |  Started by marob

I've noticed that when you use EQ to boost the bass a little, there is some compression enabled, making it sound like ass.  This is most noticeable when listening to newer rock songs that are loud to begin with.  Is there a way to disable the compression? I'd rather have clipping and reduce the EQ than some compressed shit.

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