Having all regular tags available without needing the 'custom tags' feature.

[hiccup]

Maybe I am missing something here, but I can not find 'Musician Credits' anywhere in the tag editor panel?
And it's also not available as a custom tag?

[Steven]

its accessed via the artist splitter but i expect you wont be the only person who wont realise that so i will re-enable it as a custom tag

[Bee-liever]

its accessed via the artist splitter but i expect you wont be the only person who wont realise that so i will re-enable it as a custom tag

How will that work?
Will just entering into the custom tag auto-populate the list in the splitter?

[psychoadept]

Maybe I am missing something here, but I can not find 'Musician Credits' anywhere in the tag editor panel?
And it's also not available as a custom tag?

I can't find it either.  I looked at the example file I sent you, but I only see the main artists in the artist splitter.

Here's the tag in the tag inspector:



Here's what I see in the multiple artist splitter:



I redownloaded the patch from the link above, just for good measure, but it didn't change.

[Steven]

did you wait for the automatic rescan done by the upgrade to complete?
try rescanning the file in question

edit:
actually i think there is a flaw in the upgrade process. Manual rescanning should fix the issue

[hiccup]

The column 'Musician Crediits' in the main panel does show the musicians from a mp3 file (tmcl tag), but for the flac version of the same track it stays empty (performer tag).
(using the 'MusicBrainz' files I pm'ed you last week)

[Steven]

the flac files you are refering to dont have a musican credits tag, just a list of performers.
The are accessed using "artists: performer" in musicbee (as has always been the case)
Its really only mp3 files that have a standard single tag and thats why i agreed with psychoadept's suggestion to handle that tag in the artist tag splitter, and remove direct "musican credits" so the handling is consistent across all file formats.
I guess i should take that idea to the full extent and also remove "musician credits" as a display column as well.
In my mind the only issue is how to make that clear to users who had configured "musican credits" as a custom tag and now its gone as a custom tag and maintained in the artist splitter and displayed using "artists: performer"

[hiccup]

I guess i should take that idea to the full extent and also remove "musician credits" as a display column as well.

I hope you can come up with a solution that makes it possible for both mp3 and flac to have the 'musicians' displaying, without the 'artist(s).
Taking this example, for mp3 the column 'Musician Credits' shows the musicians, and for flac, 'Artists' does that.

[Steven]

yes its "Artists: Performer"

[hiccup]

yes its "Artists: Performer"

Ah, yes. Fantastic.

[Bee-liever]

I'm getting really confused with this
Does this mean that if I currently have flac files configured with the inbuilt Musicians Credits List tag, that I will have to re-create this tag as a user-defined custom tag to be able to access those tags after applying the latest patch?

Will I also have to re-enter that information in to the Artists:Performer / Role section of the Multiple Artist splitter panel for those flac files?

[Steven]

i think the latest version has a flaw when editing the performers and saving for non-MP3 files. MP3 files should be fine. I am fixing that now.

for non-MP3 files:
- the custom "Musician Credits List" tag is scanned and added to "Artists: Performers"
- when saving, going forward "Musician Credits List" will not be saved as a custom tag (once the bug is fixed) and only as a set of "PERFORMER" tags

for MP3 files:
- the custom "Musician Credits List" tag will be scanned and added to "Artists: Performers"
- if "Musician Credits List" is missing then "Involved People List" will be added to "Artists: Performers" instead
- when saving, for ID3v2.3, the performers with a specific role/instrument (ie. where role is not "Performer") are saved to IPLS
- when saving, for ID3v2.4, the performers with a specific role/instrument (ie. where role is not "Performer") are saved to TMCL
- performers with a generic "Performer" role are saved to TXXX/PERFORMER (as has always been the case)

for all files:
- going forward "Musician Credits List" will cease to exist and you should use "Artists: Performers"

edit:
to make the transition a bit easier what i can do is redirect the "Musician Credits List" to show "Artists: Performers". It would be a display field only

[psychoadept]

did you wait for the automatic rescan done by the upgrade to complete?
try rescanning the file in question

edit:
actually i think there is a flaw in the upgrade process. Manual rescanning should fix the issue

Yes, manual scan did the trick.  Yay!

[psychoadept]

Would it be possible to have the Performer shown without the role in the Artist field?  So that, for instance, there would only be one entry for "Aaron Comess" under Artist, here:



But under Artists: Performer it would break out the specific roles.

[Steven]

yes i agree and its done for the next v3.1 update