Author Topic: tracks not in order, won't add new changed name tracks  (Read 6160 times)

astro46

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I am new to musicbee.   working more or less ok until now.

album A added but one track stays at bottom of list, not in its correct track order.  Yes the tracks have number shown in tags, and the the track details don't look any different to me then the albums displaying correctly.

so, I deleted the album A in musicbee since I couldn't find a way to correct the problem, including not finding a setting to force order by track #.  in fact, I don't see Any references to track #  in musicbee.

I then added numbers to the track names in backup folder, (lets call this album B) to force musicbee to do what i figure it should do on its own, order by track number. I copied this album folder with changed names to the normal music folder and used 'insert' to add the album B to musicbee.    Except musicbee somehow won't add the new album B but still installs album A with old track names. I don't where it is finding this album A.

I have deleted the Album from musicbee library 4 times. recopied the changed name album B 4 times,  closed and reopened musicbee, rebooted computer. nothing helps.

any suggestions on what is going on here?

sveakul

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including not finding a setting to force order by track #.  in fact, I don't see Any references to track #  in musicbee.



See highlight.  You can also choose Define Custom Sorting and have it done any way you wish.

astro46

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I just found how to add 'track #' to 'displayed fields'.   so now album A has tracks in correct order.

question remains as to why this particular album had the problem to begin with,  and

why musicbee won't add the folder of album B with updated track names,  but continues to add the folder of album A with old track names, and where is it hiding this folder?

astro46

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I did try setting tracks in defining custom sorting, and turned on custom sorting for the album (highlite all tracks>edit>sorting>enable custom sorting.   This didn't have any effect.   
I am surprised that I didn't see the option to sort by track in the header menu, as I think that I looked there.

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When you include Album in the sorting, MB automatically includes disc and track number.
So that suggests to me the disc number is not consistent in the album files eg. you might have some set to '1' and others blank

astro46

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When you include Album in the sorting, MB automatically includes disc and track number.
So that suggests to me the disc number is not consistent in the album files eg. you might have some set to '1' and others blank

what does 'disc number' refer to.   I know that all the tracks have numbers.  they are asigned automatically when created in audacity,  I looked at them in musicbee, and after adding  'track #'' as a column, all are in order.   though I still don't know why that particular album had a problem.  none of the previously added albums had this issue.

or, why musicbee won't add album B, which is same as album A but with updated track names ? (explanation above)
Last Edit: May 11, 2021, 04:20:14 PM by astro46

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what does 'disc number' refer to.   I know that all the tracks have numbers.  they are asigned automatically when created in audacity,  I looked at them in musicbee, and after adding  'track #'' as a column, all are in order.   though I still don't know why that particular album had a problem.  none of the previously added albums had this issue.
It refers to this in your file tags

or, why musicbee won't add album B, which is same as album A but with updated track names ? (explanation above)
You really need to post whatever steps you're taking to add it, or screenshots or something, because no one could possibly answer this based on the information you're giving.  There's no logical reason why MB would not add an album to your library so you're doing something incorrectly.

Why not just update the track names in MB on this so-called "Album A"?

Maybe this will help?
https://musicbee.fandom.com/wiki/Importing

astro46

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no discs involved.   this is one folder with tracks, from a cassette tape that I digitized.   

I use 'insert', get the dialog to scan for new music> the new album A is added to the library.   with one track not in proper place in order.  and, yes, it has a track #, 5,  though it is showing up in track place 20.   every other track is in proper order.

not finding settings for ordering by track number,  I went to the backup of  the folder,  added a track number to the track names.  this was simpler and more efficient then doing  it in mb.   the hope was this would force proper ordering, using just the names and not track numbers, which apparently wasn't working.

I then  right clicked on mb  album A, clicked delete (I would have preferred 'remove from library' but don't see this option in mb)  which not only removed album A from the library but also deleted it from its place on  hard drive.

I then copied album B, with the newly edited track titles to the hard drive, and used insert in mb to add album b to the library.   however, that is not what mb does.  it somehow re-adds album A into library.  where it is getting album A , i don't know since it was deleted. 
I tried the delete, copy, several times, with opening and closing mb and rebooting computer thrown in, just for fun.  I am still seeing the album A version,  not the album B with edited track names.

i hope this helps to understand the current problem.

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What format are the files?
Do you use any other application to tag/name the files before you add them to MusicBee?
Last Edit: May 11, 2021, 07:10:51 PM by hiccup

astro46

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What format are the files?
Do you use any other application to tag/name the files before you add them to MusicBee?
files are m4a.  many of the files I have imported into mb are m4a

I tag files in audacity as it is exporting.  whatever doesn't make it over to mb, I enter in mb.   though there has been little in way of tags that hasn't made it over.

astro46

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I received an answer to the 'sort by'  question.

getting info about why I can't add a folder with updated track names seems more difficult,

No response about why deleting and adding gets the same old files back.

Continuing to try to figure this out on my own, I find no useful help searching, 
In mb, using files>add files to library' allows me to navigate to the folder with updated track names, I highlight them and then its a dead end.  No clue what it has down with them.  No ask about where to paste. 

the info  here about copying gives no useful info.

I have to conclude that this is a malfunction in mb,  something that can't be accomplished.   


astro46

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more fooling around with mb,  i have discovered that it is showing the correct track file names.  but unlike every other album/folder, the track names are different than the file names. 

why?

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As Frankz already said, unless you provide screenshots of what you are seeing/ doing it's impossible to know what causes your issues.

But I'll throw out a few suggestions.

1) For the track that appears in the wrong order, have you checked whether it has a disc number tag (shift+enter to open the tag editor) as suggested? How and why the tag got there is irrelevant since MB isn't the one adding it unless you specifically used it to do so.

2) Have you confirmed that the supposedly deleted album is the one that keeps reappearing? Select a relevant track, Shift + Enter to open the tag editor, go to the "Properties" tab and check the location field to see where the file is located.

more fooling around with mb,  i have discovered that it is showing the correct track file names.  but unlike every other album/folder, the track names are different than the file names. 

why?

Cause that's how they are? Unless you did something within musicbee to change the names it's simply displaying what is there

astro46

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1) no disk number.   just track number,  and nothing following the "of'.   eg   track 5 or  ____ (blank).   
no surprise there.    Since i have manually told mb to order by track number, this issue is gone.   however no understanding why manual ordering has been necessary only for this folder.

2) I wasn't clear enough in the last post.  Previously, I thought that mb was not adding the updted album B, because I continued to see the old track names listed,  whereas the file names had changed.  now that I have explicitly told mb to display the file names, in addition to the track names I can see the correct file names.,  along with the "track names" .     This is the only album where mb is showing track names that are different from file names; the difference being file names have side and track number at beginning (eg A3, A4, B 3, B4)..

I have done nothing in mb to enter track names.  this is the first time I have had this problem.

The question now is why mb would be stripping the beginning of file names to create track name  OR,  does mb keep a separate database associating file names (track #?), with a track name?  Such that it still has info from the previous library entry when the track names didn't include side and track number info,  and is now continuing to use that info, even though the file names have changed?   

 If there is such a database, is there a way to update it? or tell mb to always use file name as track name?

hiccup

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MusicBee is not a file/folder player.

It's designed to maintain and play a library that is adequately tagged. (=metadata)
Using file- or folder names isn't a great idea to begin with, trying to mix (parts of) filenames with metadata is even worse.

The best advice would be to learn how to tag your music properly.