Author Topic: preamp songs according volume analysis/replay gain please & please db silence  (Read 1846 times)

heroclix

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To me it looks like that pretty much defeats the purpose of having the ReplayGain feature in a player such as MusicBee.
Wouldn't the proper solution be to simply run the files that don't yet have loudness tags through the volume analysis tool?
When running files through volume analysis, there is an option to be notified of any possible clipping when increasing the RG preamp for that operation. The problem is that you have to go through each flagged file and manually set a lesser gain for track and/or album. They also don't all move to the top so you have to scroll until you see the next one.

The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.


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I have even asked about smart playlist to add eq presets or dsp or vst , it will be amazing , there are many users that like to play with foobar2000 just because they can do with it
I don't see the point of adding additional effects, and even to only specific songs?

You know, while I completely understand the purpose and the popularity of "ReplyGain," the ongoing "obsession" with it in forums (like anything to do with Playlist manipulating) makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore, adjusting the volume control to suit their mood of the moment.  I confess to being one of those old sticks-in-the-mud who has never used RG even once, yet can either blow out the walls or lapse ethereal with the best of 'em.  Just some whimsy, probably not 100% right, best ignored..
The song does stay as-recorded, just that RG predicts when you might want to adjust the volume when there are large overall album or track gains. I still adjust volume manually but, to echo hiccup, I don't have to suddenly dive for the volume dial when shuffling, saving myself and maybe others some trauma.

The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.
Are you saying that foobar2000 can reduce the volume at the playback stage depending on the chances of a track clipping?

The reason why I have doubts about having a feature that will en- or disable the pre-amp depending on the presence of ReplayGain tags is this:
One part of the songs in my library has positive ReplayGain values, while the other part has a negative ReplayGain values.
So for me it doesn't make sense to have the pre-amp only being enabled for tracks with ReplayGain tags.
It would drive many of my tracks into the danger zone of clipping.

It may be good to be more clear about if this wishlist topic is about the 'analyse and write ReplayGain tags' stage, or about the playback stage.
I'm pretty sure there already is another and more active wishlist topic on writing RG values and having them as 'loud' as possible without the chance of the tracks clipping.
Precisely, foobar can prevent software clipping if you or RG make an oopsie.

I'm not advocating for the feature depending on the presence of ReplayGain tags but rather for when I feel like turning RG off, as I find RG makes everything too soft hence I add an overall preamp. This can cause soft clipping and so a protection feature to not allow a file to have its gain adjusted too high would be helpful. Otherwise, when I turn off RG I would like the preamp I manually set to be disabled.

I'm also going to try the old ReplayGain tagging method later to see if it is more consistent with track gain at least.

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@heroclix

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I don't see the point of adding additional effects, and even to only specific songs?
there albums remastered that do need eq , there are too many high frequencies , and some amps and speakers can enfatize trebles and even more high frequencies
so I can create a smart playlist or even a playlist and set a eq preset and add in the tags some words to be include all the albums need a different eq
I think you use musicbee -> active speakers or musicbee -> dac ->active speakers ,don't you?

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Precisely, foobar can prevent software clipping if you or RG make an oopsie.
i have almost the same settings but i have set pre +5.5
thanks heroclix
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heroclix

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@heroclix

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I don't see the point of adding additional effects, and even to only specific songs?
there albums remastered that do need eq , there are too many high frequencies , and some amps and speakers can enfatize trebles and even more high frequencies
so I can create a smart playlist or even a playlist and set a eq preset and add in the tags some words to be include all the albums need a different eq
I think you use musicbee -> active speakers or musicbee -> dac ->active speakers ,don't you?
I guess it is somewhat valid in my opinion but I rather believe in reproducing the audio as transparently as possible in order to maintain the artistic intent. If it's really bad I would simply not listen.

So a system wide EQ is good for fixing inherent flaws of your gear and/or environment, but a per-track implementation is trivial to me, sorry to say.

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"Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly.  While the website is no longer "up" it is still viewable and the plugin (which is free and unencumbered) is downloadable at the Web Archive site:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins

Direct link to the plugin:

https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip
Hi
I have tried  "Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly and LoudMax Plugin( even i can't find the official page , i guess  it's blogspot dot com an the last version is LoudMax Plugin v1.45  ) , they can let play many different songs very compact
i'm looking for a reverb ,just because i like the radioparadise reverb effect , i guess they do you izotope ozone and other plugins ,  i have even asked but i don't think they will say it
just for compilation ,friends parties
thanks
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sveakul

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I have tried  "Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly and LoudMax Plugin( even i can't find the official page , i guess  it's blogspot dot com an the last version is LoudMax Plugin v1.45  ) , they can let play many different songs very compact
The official page for LoudMax IS https://loudmax.blogspot.com/.  I use that on occasions instead of Unlimited when I want to try adding an additonal VST (like a widener or something) because MusicBee likes to crash unless Unlimited is used solo.  Actually the fact is that MB has a very "fragile" VST Host system compared to Foobar 2.x or AIMP 5.30.x  which are much more robust in comparison.

Further discussion on this line needs to be moved to the General forum or the VST plugin thread.