Author Topic: Need to add Composition Field for Classical Music  (Read 7501 times)

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Aha!  It's the tag code that I was interested in.

Have you configured the Composition tag in the top part of this window?




If not, click on "Define New Tags" in Tags (1) Preferences, then put COMPOSITION as the identifier.  The rest should fill itself in.
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Maybe this page in my website is of use:
http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/Players/MusicBee/MusicBee_CustomTag.htm

BTW, you don't have to rebuild the library
Select the tracks, right click > Send > File rescan

A very convenient option when testing if your tags are read by MusicBee.
Last Edit: February 21, 2017, 08:51:06 PM by vincent kars

ArthurDaniels

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Hello Psychadept & Vincent Kars,

Thanks to both of you.  I now have my MusicBee Library configured to display the Composition Field and I have pulled in the Composition data from my MusiCHI database for all 23000+ records.

Vincent, I followed your tutorial on your webpage.  I mostly understood what I was doing, but, since I don't yet have a solid grasp of the MusicBee architecture, I did not fully understand why I was taking the steps needed.  I will also be reviewing other computer audio information on your website.

Psychadept, You have been patient with my persistence and have helped me achieve success.

I am now happily listening to some of my favorite tracks for the purpose of comparing the sound quality of the MusicBee player with the MusiCHI player.  My system is constituted as follows for music reproduction:

The MusicBee program resides in a dedicated Toshiba Laptop, running Windows 10 Professional (upgraded from the native Windows 7 Professional which came pre-installed on the computer).  My music files are stored on an external 3 TB Seagate HD and are backed up on a second identical Seagate HD.  The USB output from my laptop is connected to a Peachtree Audio DACx iT DAC.  The DAC L/R audio outputs are connected to a Cambridge Audio Azur 855 Integrated Amplifier.  The Cambridge Speaker A outputs are connected to a pair of Golden Ear Triton One Front Speakers and the Speaker B outputs are connected to a pair of Golden Ear Triton Seven speakers, sitting in the rear of the room.  The Cambridge Tape Output is connected to a Paradigm DSP 3400 sub and to a Klipsch SW 12 Sub.

Other speakers and an Onkyo NR 3009 9.2 channel AV Receiver are used for movies.

I am interested in learning more about MusicBee and, in particular, learning about how MusicBee performs for me as a player.  Comments are welcome.

Again, thanks for your help,

Art

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Another one of those very rare MusiCHI users!

I do think the MusiCHI Tagger/Cleaner the best there is for tagging classical.
I do prefer MusicBee for playback most of all because of the interface.

Anyway, you might try using WASAPI in both cases.
http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/Players/MusicBee/MusicBee_audio.htm
IMHO a slight improvement in transparency compared with Direct Sound,.

BTW: both use the BASS lib for audio. Don’t be surprised if you don’t hear differences  :)

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Glad you've made progress!  If you're now interested in the work field, you'll need the Additional tagging and reporting tools plugin, which will let you easily copy from one field to another, en masse
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Now that I have added the Composition field to MusicBee, I do not need to add the Work field.  Using the Composition field is simpler because the name matches my existing database file name structure.

for what it might be worth:  If the name "Composition" is more widely used than the name "Work", then the MusicBee development group might consider renaming the "Work" field to "Composition".

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for what it might be worth:  If the name "Composition" is more widely used than the name "Work", then the MusicBee development group might consider renaming the "Work" field to "Composition".

The sole developer of MusicBee, Steven, has gone with "Work" in line with hydrogenaudio, Picard (MusicBrainz), iTunes, JRiver et al.
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Quote: "The sole developer of MusicBee, Steven, has gone with "Work" in line with hydrogenaudio, Picard (MusicBrainz), iTunes, JRiver etal."

"Work(s)" for me.


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I do like a nice bit of witticism!
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for what it might be worth:  If the name "Composition" is more widely used than the name "Work", then the MusicBee development group might consider renaming the "Work" field to "Composition".

What makes this a bit complicated, is that there are no wordings that can be considered to be 'correct' and will apply to all situations.
For example 'Movement' is not used for Opera, 'Acts' not for Concerto's, and 'Work' and 'Composition' are of course very ambiguous terms.

Note that if you want to fine-tune all this, you could put in some work in composing your own schemes in MusicBee.
You can e.g. rename headers, so that 'Work' will display 'Composition', or you could create your own virtual tags, with formulas that make use of available genre or grouping tags to decide what to display exactly.

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Guys,

As I reported above, I followed your instructions to successfully add the Composition custom field.  Now, I want to add a second custom field.  This second field is named "Period or Style" in my database.

I have repeated the steps and successfully added "Period or Style" as the Custom 2 field.  I have re-scanned all files, but I cannot get MusicBee to populate this new field.  I have double-checked the name.  I have repeated the re-scan.  The field appears in my MusicBee library, but all records are missing.

Is there possibly an issue with the structure of the name because it is three words?

Other suggestions?

Thanks,

Art

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I know you had trouble posting screenshots before, but reallly need to see how "Period or Style" is saved in the tag inspector.

You just need to upload the .jpg image to any file sharing site (imgur, cubeupload, etc) and put the link in your post with this button:

(if you hover your cursor over the actual post you will see "Quote", click it and you will see the code used for this)
Last Edit: February 24, 2017, 11:12:18 PM by Bee-liever
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This is where it get's interesting.  Unlike Composition, which appears in the main screen in Tag Inspector, under Tags, Period or Style does not appear in Tags in Tag Inspector.  Period or Style does appear in Tags 2 in Tag Inspector, along with Composition.

Period or Style appears in Preferences under Tags 1.  I have properly configured the field, just as I did when I added Composition.  In other words, Period or Style appears exactly like Composition in the file structure.

I cannot change the Period or Style name in the original database.  Are multiple words a problem in MusicBee in the field name structure?

I will attempt a screenshot post, but I have already described exactly what is visible when looking at Tag Inspector.

Please tell me what, if any, limitations apply to working with field names.

Thanks,

Art

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Please tell me what, if any, limitations apply to working with field names.
There isn't any real limitations except you need to match what tag MusiCHI is saving 'Period or Style' to exactly with what you want MB to use.
The "name" or "identifier" doesn't mean a thing, it's the "Tag Code" that's needed.
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"Anyway, you might try using WASAPI in both cases.
http://www.thewelltemperedcomputer.com/SW/Players/MusicBee/MusicBee_audio.htm
IMHO a slight improvement in transparency compared with Direct Sound"

I made that change and heard a small but clear improvement.
Simple to do (the click of a mouse) and thus worthwhile.