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Questions / Advanced Auto Playlist assistance
« on: December 16, 2017, 10:43:22 AM »
My specific goal is to create an auto playlist that will show me albums that I have more than one copy of. For example, I buy a CD I forgot I already had, re-rip it, tag it (tags are slightly different because it's a different version) and import it. MusicBee will happily import it, and copy it to the location, but not find that it is a duplicate because the titles are slightly different.

In order to do this, I would like to create an Auto Playlist that contains albums which have two "Disc-Track# 1-01," and I can't figure out how to do this. If it's even possible. I'm approaching this like a SQL query, and that might be my problem. What I really want is to use the "Having" part of a query.

Any thoughts on the matter will only help my auto playlists get better and I really appreciate that.

Questions / Re: Created an Auto-Playlist, and don't understand a result
« on: December 14, 2017, 11:20:16 PM »
It turns out my problem was not as bad as I thought initially. My problem tags were limited to only a few thousand tracks, and most of those were albums which were supposed to have two artists listed. I created a static playlist named "Known Multiple Artists." I added the albums that are supposed to have multiple artists, and then added "And Not in Playlist" to the Auto Playlist. This narrowed it down, and I was able to use Advanced Search and Replace to fix the Display artist for the remaining files. I added them to the static playlist, and now I have a way to easily check for this in the future.

If I search on just "Artist" instead of "Artist: Artists," I just get files that have ";" in the actual individual Artist fields (the listing shown in your third screenshot).

I recreated the problem to check this, because I swear I tried it, but it didn't work. My problem semicolons were only in the "DISPLAY ARTIST" field, and not in the "Artist" field. Using an Auto Playlist to find "Artist / Contains / ; " finds zero tracks.

I think I treat my Artist tags differently than others. I would rather have multiple tags, than one tag with multiple values. I feel this makes the data easier to search, and it makes my tags more portable. This way, I don't have to be concerned about which separator is used. Maybe I'm wrong, but this fits nicely with my library storage scheme.

Questions / Re: Created an Auto-Playlist, and don't understand a result
« on: December 14, 2017, 11:50:41 AM »
Thank you both that answers my question perfectly.

I do have tracks with literal semicolons in the artist field, that's what I'm fixing. I was concerned that I was getting spurious results, casting doubt on the auto playlist in general. It seems I wasn't, so it's full steam ahead. At least there aren't that many to fix.

Questions / Re: Created an Auto-Playlist, and don't understand a result
« on: December 14, 2017, 09:37:09 AM »
As I posted, it occurred to me that a third party verification would be good as well, so I checked the track in MP3Tag, and get this;

Questions / Created an Auto-Playlist, and don't understand a result
« on: December 14, 2017, 09:30:40 AM »
I'm revisiting an issue I had a while back with files brought over from Media Monkey. The problem was fixed, but it seems I'm still dealing with fallout.

I'm trying to fix some artist tags that have semicolons. I created an auto-playlist that I thought would show the artist field when it contains a semicolon. I have several items that show up where I can't find the semicolon. Here are screenshots of an example track.

Result information
Tag Inspector (ID3v1 and APEv2 tags are both empty, none of the tags further down are related to artist.)

I have used the right-click, send to file rescan, but that did not change the result. Information in the signature is updated.

Questions / Re: Help getting rid of multi-value fields
« on: December 13, 2017, 11:19:07 AM »

I forget about the power virtual tag. Thanks.

Questions / Help getting rid of multi-value fields
« on: December 13, 2017, 08:03:05 AM »
I'm weeding through my library and I've found some albums which have multiple disc numbers separated with a semicolon. I'm sure these came over from Media Monkey, but now I'm stuck with them here, and I'd like to sort through them individually, because I've also noticed that these tracks / albums have some other weirdness as well. They are also inconsistent in that it is not always the first value which is correct.

I'm trying to come up with an auto-playlist which contains tracks which contain a semicolon. There is no option for "Contains" for Disc# or Track#, which seems reasonable. I tried "Any Field" contains ";" but that shows me any track with a "multi-value" value for a field, including "Genre."

Any ideas on how to create this list? I'm trying to avoid manual playlists because they are inconvenient when sorting through groups of songs to fix tags,

I was trying to say that based on your links, it looks like this is similar to what I did in the previous project. I could have been clearer.

You have shown me that I can probably figure this out. Thanks!

Thanks for motivating me to find solution to this particular use case.

A couple of years ago, I cobbled together an Excel spreadsheet that found all kinds of information for movies so I could do some analysis for a top 100 list of movies from several different people. I used JSON and an Excel plugin I found. It was ugly, but it worked.

Thank you for the links. They have shown me that if I could do that in Excel, I can do this in Mp3tag. At least, I'm gonna give it a shot.

You already pointed out the major issue in your metadata scheme and that is discogs only offers per album metadata.
There is a beta on discogs atm for how to store track relative data VS album relative data... hopefully this makes it into a feature to be released this year as it will require another few years for it to become useful (as users need to add the data as well...). Then there's also the issue of genres' being highly subjective, especially on a sub/sub-sub level... I for one am very curious what comes of that... c.

Aye, I'm curious as well. I suspect it won't really be any better than for my more esoteric albums. On the other hand, I've been surprised by the level of detail available from Discogs for these albums. We shall see.

I'm confident that the "sub-sub" level will be "less than perfect." It's a lot easier going through many lists of a few hundred songs to tweak the sub-sub genre than it is to go through 85K tracks and tag all three levels at once.

Why can't someone just create an AI that can tag mood, genre and style automatically? How hard can it be? I mean, not even people can do that reliably. ;D

Personally, I use AMG, bandcamp, discogs and musicbrainz scrappers (either I wrote or modified) in mp3tag to populate my metadata fields.

You had me up to "either I wrote or modified." Not sure I can accomplish the same thing. Any suggestions on starting points? I tried to get mp3tag to work for auto-populating metadata, but I just couldn't get my head wrapped around it.

Funny, I always resisted AMG because of the $12 fee, but I've spent $15 for a CD for one or two good tracks.

Turns out I'm at Fourth and long; time to punt.

I just sorted through a random selection of my more esoteric albums, and have discovered the flaw in my plan. I was assuming that had everything. Based on the percentage of tracks which came back with either "no change," "Not found," or had only a couple of keywords; does nothing for me.

Back to the drawing board.

The power of fully tagged, and accurate files comes when you build auto-playlists. The more information you have, the more criteria you can use, the more complex the playlist, the more interesting, or fine-tuned the results.

I really believe all I need is a better starting point. Realistically, with as eclectic as my library is, I can deal with some inaccuracy at the sub-genre level. Those are at least manageable, because I can go through a list of a couple hundred which are already close, instead of a list of thousands which could be off by a lot.

The problem comes with wanting accuracy at the track level. Most of my albums, especially the compilations are not easily categorized to three genres that fit all the tracks. I've found tagging to the album, or artist, is useless. This means I'll be fine-tuning for a while, but at least I'll be able to have something close while I'm doing this.

Thanks. This is exactly what I was hoping for. Different ideas are always helpful.

I find myself at a crossroads in my Music listening career, and would appreciate your input.

I recently upgraded to MusicBee from Media Monkey. I've spent the last few months getting all my music properly tagged from Discogs using a plugin from Media Monkey. The plugin tags years, ISRC, Involved People, Cover art, and genres. I still get new music regularly, but it has reduced from a roar to a trickle. I'm now sitting at 84,669 tracks, at 1.3 TB.

While tagging with Discogs, I knew that at some point, I would have to fix my genres. I assumed that they would be at least close, and that I would be able to go through the handful of oddball genres and albums, and tweak them to make them fit better in my library. What I've discovered, is that the Discogs Genres are wildly inconsistent. Some albums seem well tagged, especially the "Studio realeases." Many of my albums, especially the compilations are less reasonable, or lacking in detail with only one genre.

So here are my paths as I see them;
1. Bite the bullet and analyze each track individually for proper genre classification. This path is dark, paved with flowing lava, the plants all give off toxic fumes, and the animals will devour me constantly. (1 minute per track, an hour a day will take about 4 years.)
2. Use the Last.FM autotag in MusicBee to autopopulate Genre, Mood, etc.; for each track. Seems promising, I'm afraid of losing the genres on the good ones.
3. Continue on with the original plan, and just go with it? Seems like a fools errand when I'm staring down the barrel of 37K tracks with an Unknown genre category, 6K tracks with no genre at all, and having to rewrite an "advanced search and replace" preset for each genre modification.
4. Hybrid? Auto tag everything except genre for tracks with more than one genre, and everything for the rest? (I'm leaning towards this.)

The problem I see is that until I work with the database when I'm done, I won't really know how well it worked. I like the concept of occasions and Moods from Last.FM, and the settings seem well thought out in MusicBee. It looks like almost all of the problem tags are taken care of.

Thanks in advance!

 I just gave MediaMonkey 5 alpha a quick testrun. (and a short one, it's a dev. version and still extremely buggy) While it's recomendable to see the way they are taking new approaches, I am convinced that after MM 5 is released and development of MM 4 stops, a torrent of MediaMonkey users will come running (and crying) to MusicBee. So perhaps he and other developers will also reconsider then.

With all the issues I had with MM4; MM5 seemed pretty solid.  ;D  I agree though, we will definitely see more users here once they release MM5. This is pretty much the only other game in town for people with large music libraries who care about tags.

My .02 FWIW: It will be much easier to write a plugin for the new version. The Good; Lots of plugins. The Bad; Lots of crappy plugins to sort through. The Ugly; They didn't do anything about the database which was the source of all my problems.

Brace yourselves; The Monkeys are coming!

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