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Questions / Re: Question about working with the Album Artwork Manager
« on: August 03, 2019, 01:23:04 PM »
I never seem to remember to update my signature.

Thanks! I totally blew by the "Rescan Artwork" button. That was what I forgot.

Still curious about only being able to save the first entry as an organized file in the Artwork manager, though.

Questions / Question about working with the Album Artwork Manager
« on: August 03, 2019, 02:32:01 AM »
I've finally decided that I've had enough with weirdness in my artwork, so I'm slogging through my library to fix everything. I'm using the Album Artwork Manager to identify albums that don't meet my standard, and things are going mostly OK; I'm about halfway through my 10k+ albums after a couple weeks of off and on work.

My first few batches would have the embedded artwork at the top of my list so that I could easily identify it, and save it as an MBCover.jpg, I think I tweaked a setting or two, and now embedded shows at the bottom of the artwork list. I thought I rearranged my album artwork retrieval filter to have "Embedded" at the bottom, so I moved it to the top, but that wasn't it. Ideas on what I did, or is this a function of something else, and the artwork is ordered based on another criteria, and it just works out this way now?

I notice I can only save the first picture as organized cover art. It would be much easier to fix my cover art if I could set any picture as organized art. As it is, if I don't want the first picture, I have to edit the album, and set the cover art from the artwork tab. I'm curious to know the reasoning behind this interface decision, or ideas on how to fix it if it's a problem on my system. I suspect that understanding of the first question will make this question irrelevant.

For the record, I've decided that I don't want any artwork embedded in my music files, so I'm going through each album, removing the embedded artwork, and saving the largest cover art image as an MBCover.jpg to display in MusicBee. I plan to embed the image when I sync a device, if I need it.

TIA for input on my wall of text.

Questions / Re: How to configure "Send To" an external application
« on: February 02, 2018, 05:01:21 PM »
Thank you kindly. That makes things so much easier.

Questions / How to configure "Send To" an external application
« on: February 02, 2018, 04:07:04 PM »
I'm trying to configure "Send To" to send albums to MusicBrainz Picard. I want to be able to send an entire album, or group of albums  to Picard for tagging. Everything I configure sends each file to Picard so that I end up with multiple instances of Picard, with one track listed in each. I'd like all tracks selected to open into a single instance of Picard so I can tag the entire album.

I have my compilations separated from my studio albums in my folder structure. My first level of folders under my Music folder looks like this;
- C (Classical music; have to maximize the number of characters for files.)
- Christmas (Any Christmas music album)
- Compilation (Includes Various artists, and greatest hits albums)
- Live (Anything album that is all live recordings)
- Separates (Any single track that I did not get as part of a full album, or doesn't fit anywhere else. Kind of my "Untamed section," that gets sorted through half-heartedly now and then to remove tracks I've since got the whole album for. Everything here has an "Album Artist" of Separates to keep it separated from the rest of the library. This one will suck to "Picard.")
- Singles (Anything labelled as a Single in Wikipedia)
- Soundtracks (Currently including single artist soundtracks and scores, but I'm rethinking that.
- Studio (Albums recorded in studio as a single work, with above exceptions. This also includes EPs) The full path to music is; Studio\<Album Artist>\<Album>\<Track#> - <Artist> - <Track>

(I use a custom tag in MusicBee for <Album Type> that I set when I add the music from the Inbox. This corresponds to the first level so I can automate file organization.

I'm doing all my retagging in Picard outside of MusicBee. This is the reason I designed my folder structure the way I did. I can work with one type of album at a time. I also have the advantage of finding music easily outside of a Media Manager. For my Studio albums; I only deal with full albums. If a single track is off, I'll come back to it later. (I now keep my library entirely software agnostic. I use my Media Manager for playing, and other software for tagging. And never the two should meet. Media Monkey taught me that one.) It's way easier for me to work with Explorer shortcuts to get to single albums that may need to be entered in the database. So far there is only a handful.

I hadn't really considered the ramifications of release date until you mentioned it. I had to go through some gymnastics to get the "original year" to be the release year, because I don't care when the media was made; I care when the work was released. If I'm honest though, I never used the year, only the decade. It doesn't seem like much of an issue for the studio albums I'm processing now, but I will certainly need to deal with it for compilations. Lucky for me, I have a while before I'll get there. Glad I can avoid your trouble with compilations and Box sets.

Truly sound advice to keep everything, and add more later. Once you have the basics, it's really easy to go back through. The only reason I'm not following that is that Media Monkey really monkeyed with my tags, and they are a mishmash of versions, and the "Involved People" tag was pretty much hosed. The patch Steven did for Involved people worked great on almost all of my tags, but the tags where the Monkey wrote really weird stuff I have no hope of fixing. I liked the idea of stripping everything out, and starting fresh with good frames. I may have lost a few good bits of information in some of my tracks, but for the most part, I haven't lost anything I really use. (I'm also taking the opportunity to strip out the embedded lyrics. All of my lyrics will be separate files from now on.) Really, my only regret is not using Picard when I found it a few years ago.

I've found that this first pass is only taking as long as it has is because I'm getting album art. My second pass on Picard Processed tracks is way quicker, and I can do way more than several hundred tracks at a time.

I appreciate your insights. And as always, Thank you for your support.

Update on my process.

I'm working on the "Js" in my list of studio albums, and the process is so much better than when I was running them through the Discogs plugin in Media Monkey. I regret all the time I wasted doing that. I'll go a step further, and say that I really regret all the time I wasted using Media Monkey as a tag manager. To be fair, my tags are more consistent than I realized, at least in the Studio album section of my library. I can credit some of that to Discogs.

So, here's what I'm doing;
1. I'm selecting artists in the file structure in the left pane based on how many tracks I have by that artist as shown in MusicBee. Artists that have well over a hundred are processed separately.
2. Keeping the total tracks processed at a time to under a thousand, I drag them to the "Unmatched Files" section, and let them process.
3. When the albums are all loaded, I select all in the left pane, and drag them back to the "Unmatched Files" section, and "Cluster."
4. With the files all clustered, I do a "Lookup."
5. Go through all the results, and delete the albums that have zero tracks listed, and make sure that all of them are "Gold."
6. "Expand all" and scroll through the entire list and check out all the tracks that are dark red.
7. "Collapse all" and scroll through each label to make sure I like the cover art.
8. "Select all" and add them to my processed collection, and then save.

As I go, I'm finding some troublesome albums that don't seem to fit. I'll make a quick effort to fix it. If I can't, I create a shortcut to the folder in a "difficult" folder. Once I'm done with the first pass, I'm going back to see what I need to do to make them work. This is where I will add them to the MusicBrainz database.

I did have to keep MusicBrainz from modifying the Album Artist. I have several Album Artists that I change to be more generic, for example; Frankie Valli. I really don't want to care if he had the Four Seasons with him or not when I'm looking for a track he did. I was going to try to code that in, but I already had it in place in the Album Artist tags in my files, so why would I needlessly over-complicate it?

In all, I'm happy with the results of my little experiment. I've only played a little bit with auto-playlists on my processed tracks, and the results seem better. Not much difference in my browsing, but that just tells me I had done a pretty good job before. Nothing has jumped out as being outright wrongly titled, so I've got that going for me. Which is nice. I would definitely encourage anyone on the fence to just jump in. The learning curve is there, but it's nowhere nearly as bad as I had thought. Next time through will be way faster now that I have acoustids, and MusicBrainz info embedded.

So thanks for listening, and thanks for the encouragement. I wouldn't have done it without you.
Rock On!
\m/  ;D  \m/

The fix works exactly as expected. Thank you!

Bug Reports / Renaming an album and the column browser does not update.
« on: January 21, 2018, 11:05:16 AM »
I followed these steps, and had the described unexpected results. Signature contains updated information about the installation.

1. Select an Album in the browser.
2. Select all tracks listed.
3. Edit, rename the album, and "Save."

In the Column browser, the next album listed is highlighted, but the tracks shown in the main pane do not update. Clicking on the selected album in the column browser does not update the list. Selecting another album, and then the previously highlighted album is the only way to update the track list. (Clarification; "Next Album" is the one below if Album is sorted ascending, and the one above if sorted descending.)

In the course of testing before posting;
- If I double-click the incorrectly highlighted album, the tracks listed will play, instead of the tracks from the album indicated in the column browser.
- Reduced to only "Album" in column browser, performed the same steps, and it seemed to work as expected. I repeated the test, and found the same issue listed above, several times after.

*Edit to add first line of text missing from paste.

The general sentiment among MusicBrainz veterans is "any data is better than no data" but "no data is better than bad data".

I respect that. Database Boyz, Represent!   ;D

Add them! There's even an "Add Cluster As Release" plugin that makes it dead easy. OK, it's a little work, but part of using the database is contributing to and improving the database IMO. You're exactly who they need to fill it out - the guy with an obscure version.

It did not even occur to me to even consider editing the database.

I took a quick trip through the process, and it seems like it should be mostly painless enough. Without reading anything, I'm concerned that I don't necessarily have all of my jewel cases and media. I noticed a bit about the UPC as I breezed through the pages to submit.

I will read the documentation, and do my part to improve the database.

I'm back, baby. Excelsior!

So trying to run my Library through MusicBrainz, and I have hit a major stopper. Maybe even a deal-breaker.

I got all the way to "AC/DC" in my studio albums, and I'm stuck on an album which has made me re-reconsider. It seems that my version of "Let There be Rock" is not in the MusicBrainz database. My version has one extra track. I can't find the right version listed anywhere in MusicBrainz. I was able to locate it in Discogs. I took a look at some other albums that I though might have that kind of problem, and I found a couple more. This is not an isolated issue for me.

Now, I'm not so sure now that this is something I want to do. I'm going to spend some time back in MusicBee, and take a long hard look at my library to see if I can find some commonality in my problem albums. Maybe I just have some particular albums, or album types making it look like my library is worse than it really is. Maybe I need to just go one level higher, and accept my library for the way it is.

Back to the mountaintop.

I didn't mean to listen to with her (I have a playlist that we listen to together, or we listen to her stuff), I meant around her - like I'm in a room and she's in the next room and I don't want f-word travelling through the walls so I filter out explicit stuff when she's around. :) I don't think I have a single "Clean" version in my library. "Clean" versions are stupid bastardizations. I'd rather just skip it than hear a version from some alternate "Clean" universe..

Exactly what I meant, as well. And don't even get me started on the "Kidz Bop" garbage. I got a whole rant I can do about that.

Yea, verily, I say unto thee. The "Radio Edit" is an abomination, and should be cast into the pit.

Well, here's an interesting wrinkle.

I have, in the first album in my copied library I'm trying to tag with Picard, and extra track, with a .bak extension. (<Title>.mp3.bak) Windows does not recognize it as an mp3 file, and neither does MusicBee, or any other application I've used to date to work with my library.

Picard does. Just doing a standard lookup, it finds twelve tracks in my 11 track album because it recognizes this renamed file as an mp3. I'm not sure how I feel about that. I think mostly irritated, it seems Picard is just looking for the first period? Now I have to be careful about any file that may have a period in the name.

I don't know where those would be, but now I have another thing to watch out for.

So I ran my first experiment, and getting everything back into MusicBee seems like it is going to be the hard part.

I set MusicBee to save the rating information to the file. I found the tag in Mp3tag, it's called "POPULARIMETER." Picard does not see that tag. (After the panic subsided, I'm still mildly concerned about this.)

So, I've discovered that if I don't set Picard to clear tags first, the "POPULARIMETER" tag is preserved. If I set Picard to clear tags first, I get rid of the duplicate information I don't want.

The only tag that seems like I might want to preserve would be for some of my more esoteric albums which may not have details in MusicBrainz, but did show up in Discogs. Those are probably rare, and I guess I don't really care that much. I'll take it on a case-by-case basis as I go through the re-tagging.

So, it seems I have a couple of possible deal-breakers.
MusicBee does not see the new files as the same because I am changing my naming scheme. I guess if I split up the move between Picard and MusicBee I'll be alright. I'll tag the files in Picard, and then move them in MusicBee. Don't want to split it up like that. This will require more thought.

Losing ratings is major. As I've said, this is literally the only piece of information I really care about. Any work I've done for other tags has been about fixing problem names. This should all be taken care of in Picard. I don't want to go back through my library track by track to re-rate them. So many songs to miss.

I over-reacted. If I don't save the files to a different location, all the data in Music Bee is preserved.

This does bring up another point that I will wrestle with another day. An over-arching goal of mine is to make my library totally software agnostic. I want to be able to take my files, import them into any other application, and lose nothing. I want all my static playlists to work, and my dates, play counts, and ratings to transfer over. I know this is not an insignificant task, and I understand that it may not all be possible, but I said it was a goal, didn't I?

We shall see how things develop.

I now have my next two challenges, because Picard is working the way I want it. (With minor exceptions.) I'm ready to start processing my real library.

1. How do I transfer ratings to my new, and improved library?
2. I really need to figure out how to handle my album subfolders.

My ratings don't seem to be stored in the tags in my files. I really need this to happen. This is literally the only bit of information in my library I really care about.

Many of my albums have subfolders which contain files associated with the album. Mostly these are cover art scans, but there is some other useless information I want to maintain. I want to move my files in Picard to a new location so that I can keep track of what albums I have processed. I also want to use the folder structure I've created with my Picard naming script. I have reasons, and they are all perfectly logical.

The first one is probably pretty easy, but I haven't started it yet. The second one is going to be harder because there is no naming consistency. I really don't want to cycle through all 7k subfolders manually. That sounds like no fun at all. Not the end of the world, but not preferred.

I'm open to ideas. the Picard forum did not have any assistance to offer on the second one.

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