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Questions / Re: Bit perfect playback with MusicBee and Topping E30...
« on: July 25, 2022, 05:55:11 AM »
Heh... well...  I don't know how I can make it more clear  :)

Yes, as you said, the ENTIRE system volume (Windows) does indeed go 'up & down' like you said, or as I said it was 'engaged'  With the SMSL set to Wasapi Exclusive NO OTHER volume controls other than the player itself were active, engaged, 'up & down', whatever...  

So, basically what I am saying is that with the SMSL I did get complete exclusivity and bit-perfect playback (the way I understand it)  With the Topping, I do not seem to be able to set it the same way BECAUSE all the other Windows volumes (or I should say at least the master volume, that YES, controls the whole system) is still engaged, still affects the volume in a variable way, which SUGGESTS to me that it is indeed not bit-perfect like the SMSL was before.

Better...?  :D

And yes, you may be quite right, I might not be able to set the MusicBee with the Topping like I was with the SMSL, so I may have to try another player.  FWIW, I DID try Foobar with the Wasapi Exclusive driver chosen, and it did the exact same thing.  The Windows master volume was still active.  

Could just be a limitation of the DAC, IDK...

Questions / Re: Bit perfect playback with MusicBee and Topping E30...
« on: July 25, 2022, 03:18:32 AM »
Well, with the SMSL DAC and using Wasapi Exclusive EVERYTHING was disabled and bypassed in Windows and the output truly was bit-perfect.  Now, with the Topping with the exact same Wasapi Exclusive it does not appear to be so.  I don't think there is anything I can do about it unless a different player will somehow allow me to set it that way.

Questions / Re: Bit perfect playback with MusicBee and Topping E30...
« on: July 24, 2022, 11:08:58 PM »
Okidoke, I did that and Windows did recognize the Topping immediately, BUT unfortunately it doesn't seem to affect the exclusive nature of the Wasapi Exclusive driver  :(

The Windows master volume is still engaged.  So, I guess if I stay with the Topping I will just have to live with it.

So, what do I do about the Windows master volume then, leave it at 100?  Or should I lower it some to say 75% / 85% ?

Thank you!

Questions / Re: Bit perfect playback with MusicBee and Topping E30...
« on: July 24, 2022, 10:14:27 PM »
No, no... that sounds perfectly fine, thank you kindly!

I wonder if that would allow total exclusivity to the Wasapi driver...?  Hope so!  But, if I am saddled with this, what is my best recourse?  Do I set Windows master volume at like, what, 75 or 85% or something and then just use the MB volume as usual?

Questions / Re: Bit perfect playback with MusicBee and Topping E30...
« on: July 24, 2022, 09:51:16 PM »
You know, I WAS reading something about that I think on the HA forum.  People seem to say that with W10 you shouldn't need their drivers.  I guess I just was afraid of not setting it up properly.

So, in what order then should I do this?  Unplug the USB going to the DAC first, then remove the Topping drivers, then just plug the DAC back in?


Questions / Bit perfect playback with MusicBee and Topping E30...
« on: July 24, 2022, 09:23:40 AM »
Hello All!

For several months I've been using a lovely SMSL DO200 DAC which really surprised me at how good it sounded on my primary system (my very first DAC after 40+ years pretending to be an Audiophile :) )  And, using MusicBee exclusively I had it set to use the Wasapi Exclusive which completely bypassed Windows, the volume controls, everything.  So, it was perfect!

BUT... lately my USB input died on my SMSL and as an experiment I bought the Topping E30 from Amazon to give it a try since the reviews were very good.  But, for some odd reason, with the exact same settings in MusicBee, but now for the Topping (Wasapi Exclusive) for some bizarre reason the Windows volume control is NOT defeated.  I was reading somewhere that the drivers for the Topping somehow create its own volume control, even though I have the DAC set to 'Fixed Volume'

Is there anything I can do to get TRUE exclusive bit-perfect playback like I had with my SMSL but now with my Topping?  I really appreciate any input and help!


Questions / Re: Playing dsf files...
« on: April 02, 2022, 09:04:29 AM »
Heh, thanks!  :)

Oh yeah, I see now what you mean.  Yep, the DAC is playing perfectly fine and I did of course install the Windows drivers for it when I got it.

I guess trying to use the MB to play DSD is just going to be one of those ongoing murky mysteries  :D

Thanks again!



PS:  Oh, I THINK I understand what you mean about the driver.  The actual SMSL driver that I see in the players when I set the settings as the output device.  I don't know if it itself has any 'settings' except those found within the players' settings, but I'll check to see.

Questions / Re: Playing dsf files...
« on: April 02, 2022, 08:45:26 AM »
Thanks kindly for replying Hiccup!  I don't know quite what you mean by 'Drivers for your DAC'  because you can't install drivers ON the DAC.  So, I'm guessing you mean drivers associated with playing to your DAC from the PC, right?  Such as the WASABI & Asio drivers (I know it's not spelled that way, but I can never remember just exactly how it is spelled  :) )  

So, for the MusicBee I have the WASABI Exclusive setting out to my DAC, and both have the 'Event' setting.  BTW, since I posted this earlier, I actually found that there is a way to play full SACD ISOs with Foobar!  I would rather use MusicBee because it is WAY cooler, but the steps shown to do that with Foobar are very specific and not so nebulous as it is trying to figure out how to do it with MB.  Just so you know for comparison I installed the specific drivers for Foobar to decode DSD, and they have a separate driver just for SACDs!  So, once you have them installed and set to play native DSD, then you can see easily on the player that it is outputting DSD64 and it says 'lossless'

Still my SMSL DO200 does not specifically show that.  It shows the 44.1 but that is it.  But, on my system I can tell that the sound quality is very good from what I was playing.  I'll show  pictures here IF I can post them to show you.  However, with MB with all the discussion and vaguery surrounding this I just can't seem to get a solid, concrete way to do this AND to show that it is doing it properly.  Now, with the MB playing dsf files supposedly natively, my DAC shows 88.x  but MB is NOT set to convert to PCM, so I've tried and tried and it just doesn't seem to be super CLEAR how to do it, OR to display that it is in fact actually doing it.  It would be GREAT to be able to have the player display exactly what it is outputting like Foobar does.

Please though, by all means, if you have any input on SPECIFICALLY how to be SURE that MB is definitely playing the dsf files or the DSD natively, that would be great!  But, I will admit that since I happen to have a lot of ripped SACD ISOs, the convenience of just clicking on the ISO and playing it with Foobar is pretty dang nice!

Here are those pictures if I can post them:

Here is the system I'M playing it on, so you can see that I can really tell the difference in the quality of the sound and imaging:

Sound Room

Questions / Re: Displaying the current resolution of a song playing...
« on: April 02, 2022, 05:05:15 AM »
Thank you!  I will check it out.  As I just now posted, I've honestly tried to find and read every post available about playing DSD or dsf files and having it display at full resolution on the DAC (I don't know is 'resolution' is the right word, but as I just posted, no matter how I try to set MB, when I play dsf files it only shows 88.x on my DAC)

But, I will read that thread now, thank you!

Questions / Playing dsf files...
« on: April 02, 2022, 05:02:01 AM »
Hello!  I KNOW this topic has been discussed in the past, and I did indeed read the posts that I could find.  I even found the post where the resolution and bit depth were not showing accurately on the DAC.  But, no matter what I try when I play dsf files using the WASABI (I know it's not spelled like that but I don't quite remember the word :)) Exclusive, the dsf file plays, but on the DAC (SMSL DO200 - both codec and DAC set in 'Event' mode) no matter what I do or change, the panel consistently shows a resolution of 88.x and no bit depth.

I tried, as others had with their DACs, selecting the ASIO codec, where I guess you CAN go in and specifically set it for playing raw DSD files, but the result is the same.  I'm not 'telling' MusicBee to convert to PCM or use DoP, so why is my DAC always showing a lower resolution of 88.x?

According to another post, I even replaced a number of the files with the 'Patch' provided.  No change.  The mystery of it is, I don't really know if I AM actually hearing the full DSD sound and the DAC is showing the wrong data, or if somehow MB IS converting the DSD to PCM (although with the WASABI codec I have no options at all) and that is what I am really hearing.

Since those other threads were several months old, has there been any clarification or update on the PRECISE settings to be able to play DSD (dsf) directly to your DAC and/or if there indeed is a bug and the correct, full resolution is simply not displaying accurately on the DAC?

Thanks kindly for any help and input!

Questions / Displaying the current resolution of a song playing...
« on: April 01, 2022, 09:26:17 AM »
WOW!  I THINK I just figured out how to have MusicBee play Hi Res SACD dsf files losslessly to my DAC!  :D

My DAC shows Hi Res 88.2, so I hope that is right.  But, I was wondering if there was a way to see on the player what the resolution is of a current song playing is.


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