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General Discussions / Re: Musicbee appends Bands to Album Artists?
« on: June 01, 2023, 10:04:51 PM »
Yes, I think there is some issue with how MusicBee handles tags unknown to it that have been written by other programs such as Picard. Maybe it skipped over the unknown "band" tag name and appended it to the preceding tag (as "band" seems to follow "Album Artist" in the file), or maybe MusicBee has some ad hoc logic for band. If I have time, I'll do more testing and report it as a bug. Might be confined to m4a files. (--But defining all tags in MusicBee does seem to resolve this issue.)

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General Discussions / Re: Musicbee appends Bands to Album Artists?
« on: June 01, 2023, 09:44:28 PM »
Thanks, so far only m4a -- but I found a solution! When MusicBee does NOT recognize a tag, such as Band, the solution is to Add the tag as a new tag in Options (Define tag) *AND* then define that same new tag as a custom tag. With that, the Album Artist tag correctly appeared on all the files (without making any edits to the files).  --this is possibly a bug in how musicbee deals with unknown tags, or maybe just undefined behavior.

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General Discussions / Musicbee appends Bands to Album Artists?
« on: June 01, 2023, 09:04:49 PM »
I have various music files (m4a) and according to mp3tag (and other programs) there is only one identical "Album Artist" on each of them: "Various Artists."
MusicBee however shows "Album Artist" as whatever is under the "Band" tag AND under "Album Artist." (It concatenates Band and Album Artist, and that is what it shows as Album Artist.)
Is this a bug? or have I overlooked a setting somewhere?
Thank you.

p.s. It looks like the program gets confused if tags are edited in Picard (Mutagen) even when I strip out all the multiple atom tags for flat tags (values on one line, each separated by a semi-colon). Oddly, MusicBee also creates multiple atom tags for Artist, which I wasn't expecting since it doesn't allow them for Genre. It could be I have to keep track of which tags are safe for same-tag multiple atoms in MusicBee and which in Picard, but they also might have different ways of doing same-tag multiple atoms.

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Great, thank you.
 (p.s. This is a much better system than even Apple's new "Apple Music Classical" app (which anyway is not for desktop use, but only on iphone with Apple music service:
https://pxlnv.com/linklog/apple-music-classical-available/
)

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Thanks, but that doesn't solve it. I didn't see any place where the tag <Work title¨> was defined in the original post.

You have a total of ten virtual tags defined in that post, including <Album/Work>; the non-virtual tag "Picard title full" is the eleventh tag. <Work title¨> is not one of them, so it makes sense to me that the reference to it in <Album/Work> fails.

That said, this is very minor, as the intent is clear, and <Album/Work> is meant to be very particular to the user preference.

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It would be helpful if MusicBee could read m4a multi-item tags written in the Picard, Mutagen, mp3tag format.
This could be by a "convert on read" operation to its own (Musicbee) multi-item tag format -- and could keep saving to its own (MusicBee) format.
(Or more ambitiously, could have an option to use and save to either format, musicbee or picard/mutagen, but I'm not requesting that much!)

More details here:
https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=39362

Thank you.

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Excellent post -- you've done almost all the work for us!

Just one small question: I get an error on one line: the tag <Work title¨> is undefined in your first post for Album/Work:
Album/Work   :   $If(<Genre Category>="Classical",$IsNull(<Work title¨>,<Album>,<Work title¨>),<Album>)
did I overlook something? (or perhaps you meant <Work [top]¨>? Thank you.

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@hiccup
That's helpful, but still would be a time-saver if MusicBee could read these alternative mp4 format tags without first having to edit and save them in Picard.

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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: WORK tag for sorting or listing tracks
« on: May 24, 2023, 06:34:47 AM »
@Zak Thank you, I did that and it works fine. (Though I still recommend adding Work directly in the main list there.)

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MusicBee Wishlist / WORK tag for sorting or listing tracks
« on: May 23, 2023, 06:59:46 AM »
In the dropdown list of things to sort or list by, you have things like Composer, Decade, Genre, etc., but not the relatively new "Work" tag (m4a). It would be good to add Work (and possibly also "Grouping"), since these tags in particular organize tracks in units other than albums.

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I have an mp4 (m4a) music file. Picard will tag the Artist field to be multiple value (several artists), each separated by semi-colons -- when you edit the tag in Picard, each artist appears on separate lines, so the semi-colon is indicating a separate Artist tag. In mp3tag, that music file is confirmed to have multiple artist tag values.

In musicbee, the artist tag for that music file appears blank (null).

Has anyone encountered this? I can manually "solve" the problem by editing the Artist field in Picard to eliminate the artists on separate lines, and put all the artists on one line, also separated by a semi-colon (then it appears in MusicBee), but I was hoping for a way not to have to do that.  Thank you.

This may (or may not) be relevant -- it appears mp3tag made special changes to read Picard's multi-value tags (in mp4 files):
https://community.mp3tag.de/t/multi-value-mp4-fields-written-by-musicbrainz-picard-are-not-displayed/56138/14

There is also this ticket:
https://tickets.metabrainz.org/browse/PICARD-376

p.s. Perhaps it's best to request an option to read and convert on open these picard-style (mp3tag style) multi-tags to the way MusicBee does multiple value tagging on mp4 (m4a) files -- MusicBee seems not to create multiple identical tags in the case of mp4 (m4a) files. --The MusicBee way has the advantage of showing all values of the multi-tag in Apple iTunes; the Picard way does not (shows only the first value or artist).

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No, because my reader programs use <Genre>, not <Genres> tag.
I see what you mean. For some reason, using <Genres> in MusicBee reads the <Genre> tag as multiple-value correctly, and split works on it.
Thanks! I assume it's documented somewhere I missed....

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When I have a multi-value Genre tag, such as:
Classical; Cantata
then $Split(<Genre>,;,2) does not work, although it works for other multi-valued tags such as <Sort Artist>.
I tested changing the tag to a non-multi-value, such as:
Classical~Cantata
and then $Split(<Genre>,~,2) does work.

But now I have to use two different separators, one for Genre tag, the other for all other tags.
This looks like a bug, but perhaps there is a reason for this behavior?  Is Genre prohibited from being multi-value?
Note this is an m4a (aac or mp4 audio only file).
Thank you.

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