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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: 384kHz Upsampling
« on: April 09, 2022, 02:32:48 AM »
Edit/addition: If all for not, I would love to have an HQPlayer plugin then.
"For informational purposes only, no recommendation is implied or intended"

https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=31362.0

Thanks for this, but alas I am one of those people who find this plugin has "weird behaviour" too. But when it does work, it is great, just not reliable enough for me... yet. Plus it is a little kludgy, wish it were more seamless.

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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: 384kHz Upsampling
« on: April 08, 2022, 05:09:54 PM »
Agreed.   :D

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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: 384kHz Upsampling
« on: April 08, 2022, 04:51:21 PM »
That's cheap and a bit lazy.

No it was accurate and there are decidedly 2 camps of thought. People who go by measurements and others who listen for differences. (blind or not)


I explained clearly that I am convinced that if you indeed HEAR differences that you have verified by doing objective and blind LISTENING tests, preferably verified by others, you are HEARING differences due to different filtering.
And as you seem to agree with me, that is a completely subjective matter. Since as you say, these things can't be measured.
(which I also don't believe is a correct statement b.t.w.  Effects of digital filtering can easily be measured)

I don't disagree with hearing a difference as you state, because even with my old ears the difference is clear especially when using software for this task. Now whether you surmise it is from 'filtering' or not is beside the point. Whether it is more pleasurable to listen to is the point that Mr. Mike was getting at. (and myself)


Also, you have no idea what experience other people here have, and what equipment they have used, and are using.
(and I am not going to turn this into some pissing contest)

No I do not, nor do I care, nor should anyone else for that matter but it will make a difference on what you are able to discern yourself.


Instead of addressing the arguments against this being a 'needed feature' on their content, you chose to simply discredit people that don't share your opinion by saying that those people are simply 'measuring guys', and/or suggesting they have less expensive equipment then you?

I already expressed my argument for this being a wanted feature, not necessarily a 'needed' one and I think Mr. Mike, also attached a very good link explaining the merits. But I also agreed with Mr. Mike and yourself that as a plugin it would be terrific to have. Perhaps just being able to plugin HQPlayer!

On an apologetic side of things:  Obviously my statement of "measurement guys" made you upset, for that I apologize. I do really think that you are trying just like everyone else to better this wonderful application. I meant no harm, it is just my experience of the 2 camps of thought. Hopefully you can honestly forgive me, it was never my intention to 'enter a pissing contest' as you said. Again, sorry for that.


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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: 384kHz Upsampling
« on: April 08, 2022, 02:53:04 PM »
I would think that this should be an individual's choice with this being a preference that fits their own listening enjoyment. (you could turn it off if it were baked in)

However I would also be fine if it were a plugin and I applaud choice. But as a plugin I don't see it ever happening becasue it seems as though the plugin community has become a little less vigourous in their zeal for MusicBee, at least by the dates on some of the plugins having not been improved upon in years. This is why I would frown upon the plugin, it seems rather dismissive at this point.

Completely agree with you on both points.

Just my guess but I think you and I maybe but a few people here have systems that can distinguish a difference in output. But alas I am far too old for this, I think this is a hopeless battle with the 'measurement' people.

As for the DAC doing it suggestion, of course this is much smarter to do in a software implementation. All I could do was shake my head...

BTW, your example link was good information, thank you for that!

Edit/addition: If all for not, I would love to have an HQPlayer plugin then.

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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: 384kHz Upsampling
« on: April 05, 2022, 02:04:48 PM »
Upsampling is not something that indisputably brings any audible improvements.

This debate has raged for quite sometime, some people find it a clear advantage, some do not. Even some DACs like the one from PS Audio upsample everything to DSD, and others like Schitt don't want any part of upsampling. But most agree that upsampling should be done on the server side and not in the DAC. That is why I believe it is a nice to have.

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Such discussions should go in 'Beyond MusicBee'.

This is about asking MusicBee's developer to put his time and effort into making one tiny aspect of MusicBee more tablet- or 10-feet friendly.

Software is usually designed for either mouse-use, or to be finger-friendly.

Thanks for your fervent replies.

1. But this is definitely an interface issue in which many now have touch laptops (MS Surface is 2012 timeframe)... hell most laptops are touch now-a-days, of course unless you are working off a MAC.
2. This isn't about a 10 foot interface, I don't wish that nor the theatre mode of this app. I just would like "ONE Single" consideration of a finger friendly, user friendly area of horizontal scrolling, instead of the rather tiny navigation features that exist now.
3. Software has been designed for both mouse and finger friendliness for the last several years, at least on Windows machines.

Please stop disparaging my remarks and thank you for being so helpful to all the other times you have helped me out in the past with questions on how to do things. Your advice when I was introducing myself to this app was really helpful to me.

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…and this is the one area in MusicBee that is still clumsy for fingers…
That's probably because MusicBee is a desktop application.
It was never intended to be a 10-foot or a phone app to be interfaced with from a longer distance, or without having a mouse or touchpad available.

While MusicBee has its 'Theater Mode' that can be used for that purpose, software such as Kodi and Plex are specifically designed ground-up for such longer distance or non-mouse interface, so they might be a better choice for what you are looking for...

Of course , I understand your point about it being designed as a desktop application, and I do use it on a touch screen computer. (MS Surface as well)

But hiccup, I am afraid you do not understand the purpose of why I am using MusicBee. Kodi and Plex are really bad examples for people who not only want to listen to music (they are actually terrible apps for this purpose at least for audiophiles) but want proper bitperfect playback for their music. Already I use Fidelizer and Audirvana, and I think Fidelizer and MusicBee come very close in sound quality, not quite as good but at least darn close. Now of course there are Linux based apps like Euphony Stylus etc., I am also desperately trying not to run out and buy a $12k Lumin music streamer. That is why I have built a dedicated MusicBee only fanless NUC with JPlay ethernet and USB cards running off a proper LPS (linear power supply). Now I know this is out of bounds for how you use MusicBee, especially because of your comments that I have read. But please don't disparage my wish.

I think MusicBee has an opportunity to be much more than it is presently because its foundation is excellent.

Anyway living in the highend audio world is an expensive hobby. By fluke I came across this application and I was shocked at how good it was and I have been making that "10 foot" interface (not really the right term in this case) in it's present incarnation. And it's really close.

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you can already use the mouse wheel to scroll when the mouse is over the arrow buttons

Running MusicBee on a headless machine that is dedicated to just the single app of MusicBee, through a Android Tablet. No Mouse.

Would love to just flick the horizontal listing with my finger. I have essentially tried to replace Audirvana with MusicBee and this is the one area in MusicBee that is still clumsy for fingers. (other than adding or removing songs from a playlist)

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MusicBee Wishlist / scroll through albums instead of clicking arrows
« on: March 30, 2022, 07:07:31 PM »
In my music I have some artists with more than 10 albums. In the middle pane I have to click on tiny greater than less than brackets to be able to scroll through them. It would be great if I could just flick through the pictorial list of albums with my finger.


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MusicBee Wishlist / Control over leading
« on: February 15, 2022, 10:07:22 PM »
Would really like to see some rudimentary control over typeface leading. As it is now the only thing I can do is add blank fields to help with spacing but this is of course an extremely kludgy work around. Of course having some sort of control over leading would allow the user to make the typography more readable.

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MusicBee Wishlist / Re: 384kHz Upsampling
« on: February 15, 2022, 09:58:30 PM »
Came here to write the same thing.

I would really like to be able to have MusicBee doing the upsampling of FLAC files instead of my DAC. (MB could leave the DSF files alone though.) I still see that 192kHz is the maximum in 2022.

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Bug Reports / On history tab group by does not stick
« on: February 15, 2022, 08:38:39 PM »
On the history tab, if I choose to group the tracks by a virtual tag, "Date Played" "$Date(<Last Played>,yyyy.MM.dd)", it does not remember this the next time I open MusicBee. Each time I restart the player I have to go back to the History tab and choose this method of grouping. It is not being remembered or saved.

i.e. "Date Played" is in bold:


I am considering this a bug... sorry if the functionality to make it sticky was never included and this post should be in new feature requests.

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