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General => MusicBee Wishlist => Topic started by: mbuser on December 15, 2012, 12:39:32 PM
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now it is hidden under an annoying second click of "search" when right clicking a song.
similar software (picasa, windows media player, etc) have "locate in explorer" available right in the context menu.
many thanks.
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I'm pretty sure you can create a toolbar button for that so that would make it one click away.
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ideally all search submenu would be nice to fit into the first level right click menu. or at least make it configurable so some users can have it one way or another.
having a toolbar button is quite awkward, since already proven, tested software have gone to what i've described.
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Absolutely +1 i feel as a standard. The same would be welcome for elements in the left panel
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Alternatively you may also assign a hotkey
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it is difficult to use a hotkey or a custom button. billy gates got us so used into right click that now is impossible to get rid of this right click contextual menu habit. everywhere you have a right click contextual menu. it just does not work, especially for dinosaurs like me who grew up with 8086 and msdos 3.30.
hell, even some older mb version had everything in the first level context menu. it probably got bigger and maybe that was the reason for cascading second levels. please revert this, Steven! :)
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I was thinking this moning in maybe asking for a secundary SHIFT+Right click menu like in windows explorer. It could show the locate in functions and send to external apps
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it is difficult to use a hotkey or a custom button.
Um... how are either of these things more "difficult" than a right-click context menu item? The latter requires one mouse-click instead of two and the former requires none at all! ???
hell, even some older mb version had everything in the first level context menu. it probably got bigger and maybe that was the reason for cascading second levels.
Every option can't appear in the top-level menu! The reason sub-menus exist is to have logically relevant functions grouped together, and if you look at that context menu, you'll see the top-level item is "Search..." and below that are four Search functions. This is logical.
Your persistence is... er... noteworthy, but it makes absolutely zero UI design sense to move one of those items on a whim, especially when the same feature can be assigned to a toolbar button or hotkey...
I was thinking this moning in maybe asking for a secundary SHIFT+Right click menu like in windows explorer. It could show the locate in functions and send to external apps
If you're going to be pressing the Shift key anyway, you could just press the hotkey you've assigned to the function you want. :P
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Largely unrelated to the original request, but I do wish that instead of "Search" the submenu said "Find"
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Better an example of its importance:
-Go to windows explorer
-From c:\ do a search for *.exe so the situation would be something similar like a "database explorer" like Musicbee
-Right click any of the results. For easier localization the last item is Properties, used a lot of times. And just over it is "Open folder" also used a lot. And very useful for people like me which use path\filename as a fail safe tag back-up.
By the way i miss a properties item as the last item for showing file details as bitrate, modification date, etc, it could show the tag inspector with focus in the properties tab, and the edit item could be removed.
Largely unrelated to the original request, but I do wish that instead of "Search" the submenu said "Find"
Locate/Find, and a submenu with the three locate items first, and the find items after them would work well for me :)
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+1, definitely
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Every option can't appear in the top-level menu!
I am not asking to change the DEFAULTS and given the strong personality of author I don't even want to think about asking changing defaults.
IMHO the defaults should be a 20% set of functions to make happy 80% of users.
I am just asking to provide this as an OPTION instead, so the rest of 20% of users be able to change the defaults into something that suits their needs ;)
Sorry for CAPS. it is intented to be used as underline but I can't seem to figure out how to underline/bold text on the forum.
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Sorry for CAPS. it is intented to be used as underline but I can't seem to figure out how to underline/bold text on the forum.
http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Alphabetical_list_of_all_bulletin_board_codes
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In my opinion the six find/locate options are fine where they are, and I don't really like the idea of customisable menus.
I do like the idea of labelling 'Find/Locate...' rather than 'Search...' though.
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dear admin/author,
please reconsider this.
some version ago all these options were readily available in the context menu.
it is very annoying to obtain the result with too many clicks as it is now.
thanks.
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it is very annoying to obtain the result with too many clicks as it is now.
I find it odd that you feel two clicks is too many.
And a previous suggestion (set up a hotkey) isn't acceptable to you even though you can get what you want with one click.
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it is very annoying to obtain the result with too many clicks as it is now.
I find it odd that you feel two clicks is too many.
And a previous suggestion (set up a hotkey) isn't acceptable to you even though you can get what you want with one click.
actually, I want/need the ENTIRE "search" submenu readily available in the context menu, not just "locate in explorer". yes, this is easier and it is done by lots of other software, it's not just me!
I would like to see the logic to NOT have this available, either as an option or as a default. screen size? i don't think so, everyone has lots of pixels on screen these days. i see this as a little overorganization.
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Need? ???
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Need? ???
yes. the context menu opens with its upper left corner close to where the mouse is. then i have to move the mouse down to "search" , then i have to wait to open for a submenu that ignores the windows start menu "menushowdelay" setting (that i set to 50ms from the long-waiting default of 400) and opens lots of miliseconds later, then manage to finally click the desired locate/find submenu. every time i perform this procedure, a brown hair in my head turns white at the root.
i find this procedure unnecessary and all the search submenu could fit into the context menu. there is no justification to have this seaparate unless you're over-organizing things a bit.
play more/ list/ send to / rating - they all MAKE SENSE to be under a submenu, but search does not!
just out of curiosity - did ANYONE complain when search was directly available in the context menu? because it was there in some older version.
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... and opens lots of miliseconds later ...
... every time i perform this procedure, a brown hair in my head turns white at the root ...
The sense of humor is there, but yet I am starting to get a little bit worried about you after this matter occupying you for more than two years now.
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... and opens lots of miliseconds later ...
... every time i perform this procedure, a brown hair in my head turns white at the root ...
The sense of humor is there, but yet I am starting to get a little bit worried about you after this matter occupying you for more than two years now.
I use mb in only one mode: auto dj. i like to not know what's the next song (with the exception of recently fixed bug of showing upcoming N songs), very much like i like fm radio.
(I discovered this feature once upon a time in itunes, but itunes is slow on windows and i don't like how it sounds; other players are much worse at handling this)
despite doing good job, from usability point of view mb is terrible, from the way of sizing columns to feature naming options and so on, including handling objects (like now playing items, for example)
to be honest, for me it's basically the least worse player that can decently play music in random mode. even if i use it rarely, i feel like banging my head against the train every time i have to perform clicks in it's user interface. and i've used all kinds of software since as back as 1988 (well not quite was a mouse then, maybe 1994 was the first mouse encounter).
and yes, I do mind when i have to wait for the computer do perform what i have asked it to do, especially when I've spent a good amount of money on hardware that meets my requirements and expectations.
unlike the majority, i *do* perceive those extra miliseconds when mb is is sleeping and dreaming insead of instantly opening of submenu and am really annoyed at it, even if overall i lose much more time of my life complaining about it.
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despite doing good job, from usability point of view mb is terrible, from the way of sizing columns to feature naming options and so on, including handling objects (like now playing items, for example)
Can I have some more examples please? I personally think MB is very good from a usability point of view - I'd be interested in hearing where you think it falls down and why and how to improve it (just saying something is bad is hardly much help).
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unlike the majority, i *do* perceive those extra miliseconds when mb is is sleeping and dreaming insead of instantly opening of submenu and am really annoyed at it, even if overall i lose much more time of my life complaining about it.
I'm curious - you started this thread three years ago. Have you continued to use MB during that time?
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Steven.
This thread is getting offtopic replies.
I've said all I could and bring all possible arguments. If you want to do this, that would make mb more perfect.
At some point, feature A transformed into feature B.
Later I am complaining about this change. Has someone cheered the change?
From a statistical point of view, has the change from A to B beneficial to the userbase, given the fact that statistically, there are more users complaining about the change (1) than people asking for the change (0)? (oh, it's not just me, i see three more other users +1'ing the thread)
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-1 from me. :)
I think it's logical to have all the 'Find' and 'Locate' queries grouped together under 'Search..'
Whether 'Locate in ...' is in the primary level or secondary level doesn't change the number of clicks required to access it.
One right-click to open the menu, then all other sub-menus open on mouse-over
Second click for selection.
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Whether 'Locate in ...' is in the primary level or secondary level doesn't change the number of clicks required to access it.
Exactly! And, it reduces the clutter of the first level.
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i wont be changing anything with this.
This function can be assigned to a hotkey
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i wont be changing anything with this.
This function can be assigned to a hotkey
thanks for answering. unfortunately i can't use a hotkey and i would like to be able to use the mouse.
can you provide a logic argument or you won't change just because you are the boss and that's how it must be because doh, you are in the first place designing it fit to your own like? *and* two hero moderators downvoted and hero moderators weight more than simple users votes?
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Hey mbuser, sorry, I'm not Steven.
But I got to get this of my chest:
Why do you keep wining for getting what you want, and even trying to call Steven to a stand?
To be factual, there have been only a few supporters for your wish, and (contrary to your claim) more than two people that opposed to your wish.
What you don't seem to get:
- The majority of forum members here have the decency to refrain from commenting negatively on wishes they personally don't care for or maybe even dislike. They trust Steven to make his own smart decision on the content and arguments of the proponents, and of course the time he is willing and able to invest in it.
- Every wish that would have to be fulfilled, be it small or big, helping a few or many, costs Steven valuable time and effort, and has consequences. There are no freebies in that area, even though no one has to pay for his wonderful work.
And on a more personal note:
These are a few of your statements:
- but itunes is slow on windows and i don't like how it sounds
- other players are much worse at handling this (then iTunes)
- from usability point of view mb is terrible, from the way of sizing columns to feature naming options and so on, including handling objects
- for me it's basically the least worse player that can decently play music in random mode. even if i use it rarely
- i feel like banging my head against the train every time i have to perform clicks in it's user interface. and i've used all kinds of software since as back as 1988
- I do mind when i have to wait for the computer do perform what i have asked it to do, especially when I've spent a good amount of money on hardware that meets my requirements and expectations.
- unlike the majority, i *do* perceive those extra miliseconds when mb is is sleeping and dreaming insead of instantly opening of submenu
- and am really annoyed at it, even if overall i lose much more time of my life complaining about it.
Also, you say "unfortunately i can't use a hotkey".
Why? Maybe you have a disability?
Oh no, I see, you told us before, that's Bill Gates fault, because he got us so used to the mouse.
I think Steven is wise and mature enough to look past this negative and childish wining, but for me your attitude is enough to remember to ignore 'mbuser' from now on.
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And on a more personal note:
These are a few of your statements:
- but itunes is slow on windows and i don't like how it sounds
- other players are much worse at handling this (then iTunes)
- from usability point of view mb is terrible, from the way of sizing columns to feature naming options and so on, including handling objects
- for me it's basically the least worse player that can decently play music in random mode. even if i use it rarely
- i feel like banging my head against the train every time i have to perform clicks in it's user interface. and i've used all kinds of software since as back as 1988
- I do mind when i have to wait for the computer do perform what i have asked it to do, especially when I've spent a good amount of money on hardware that meets my requirements and expectations.
- unlike the majority, i *do* perceive those extra miliseconds when mb is is sleeping and dreaming insead of instantly opening of submenu
- and am really annoyed at it, even if overall i lose much more time of my life complaining about it.
Thank you hiccup, for saying what I've been thinking for the past few days.
@mbuser - you're making more enemies here than friends. And calling Steven out not only won't go over well with most of us users, it's certainly not a way to get him to do anything for you. It's his software and he can choose to do what he wants with it without having to explain why.
As for the points that hiccup noted from your previous comments on this thread, it really sounds like you don't like MusicBee. So why don't you move on?
I think Steven is wise and mature enough to look past this negative and childish wining, but for me your attitude is enough to remember to ignore 'mbuser' from now on.
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Thank you hiccup, for saying what I've been thinking for the past few days.
Thnx phred,
I don't really like to post negative and non-contributing comments to this forum, but I was loudly playing Joe Cocker's 'I'm in a Dangerous Mood' (R.I.P) and couldn't refrain myself ;-)
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Reluctant to add to this debate, but as the same questions are still being asked...
unfortunately i can't use a hotkey and i would like to be able to use the mouse.
There is currently nothing preventing you from using a mouse. You're literally now complaining about how many milliseconds it takes, demonstrating a level of OCD which no amount of interface tinkering is going to address.
can you provide a logic argument or you won't change just because you are the boss and that's how it must be because doh, you are in the first place designing it fit to your own like?
I'm not Steven either, but you've already provided the logical reason yourself:
play more/ list/ send to / rating - they all MAKE SENSE to be under a submenu, but search does not!
It does make sense for related functions to be grouped together in a sub-menu, and - personal prejudice notwithstanding - there's no reason that shouldn't include search functions. If some search commands were on the top level of the context menu in previous versions of Musicbee I'd assume it's because there were only one or two and they were moved when enough search functions were added to warrant their own menu. That's proper UI design used in every program, not something done only in MusicBee on a whim.
If you're still not convinced, this is from Apple's Human Interface Guidelines (https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/MenuGrouping.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20000957-CH25-SW1) and I can assure you they've spent a lot more time and money studying this stuff than you, me, Steven or anyone else on this forum:
Look for opportunities to consolidate related menu items. If a menu repeats a term more than twice, consider dedicating a separate menu (or submenu) to the term. For example, if you need commands like Show Info, Show Colors, Show Layers, Show Toolbox, and so on, you could create a Show menu or a Show item that includes a submenu.
In general, avoid creating very long menus. Long menus are difficult for users to scan and can be overwhelming. If you find that there are too many items in a single menu, try redistributing them; you might find that some of the items fit more naturally in other menus or that you need to create a new menu. You can also consider creating submenus for some related sets of items, but this isn’t appropriate in all cases.
*and* two hero moderators downvoted and hero moderators weight more than simple users votes?
There's no such thing as a hero moderator. A handful of long-time forum members were made moderators solely to delete spam posts:
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7636.0
It doesn't add any extra credibility or weight to any suggestions or comments and it's churlish to suggest otherwise.
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popular media players have item to open location in the main menu. - even some older musicbee had it! (don't remember which one)
windows media player http://i.imgur.com/eLOvcqe.png
itunes http://i.imgur.com/LOFSiz5.png
musicbee: http://i.imgur.com/hWkQ9YZ.png
i never used "rating", "send to", "list" and "play more". instead i use items under 'search' all the time. there is enough vertical space to promote any sub-menu into the main menu, from an option in the settings. if mb was opensource one could make such small modifications to fit their usage pattern :(
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Just curious, how old are you?
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Just curious, how old are you?
just for your curiosity, old enough to remember the joy of drawing some lines on screen in BASIC on Z80 with 48Kb of ram, 5 1/4 inch floppies, 512Kb RAM 8086 boxes with green-on-black 12-inch displays, transition from a.out to ELF in linux distributions and the floppy upgrade from windows 3.11 for workgroups to windows '95. experienced enough to know that the $subject change takes very little effort from the author and frustrated enough knowing that nobody else can revert this change back to the way it originally was because the source code is closed.
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i have locked this thread