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Title: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 04, 2012, 04:31:28 AM
I believe that I am not the only one who keeps tracks instead of whole albums in personal archive. As it is a very rare case when I like all tracks from the album what I do is I listen and extract what I like. And here is the thing - it would be awesome if I can make a list of songs (database) which I have listened and marked as not good, so this way I would not need to spend time listening them again and again (this is true when it comes to popular hits). The red exclamation mark next to song's title would be a great visualization.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Kaelri on May 04, 2012, 05:36:30 AM
Isn't this what the one-star rating is for? Unless I've misunderstood your goal.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 04, 2012, 05:47:36 AM
One-star rating is for files you have in your collection. But why should I have 1000 flac files, when I only listen to 20 of them.
The point is that my suggested database would keep track of all listened and disliked songs, while there would be no need to keep those files on PC.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Steven on May 04, 2012, 06:20:02 AM
in the settings tab of the tag editor, ban the track or show the "Love" field (main panel and/or player controls), and hold the Shift key down when clicking to ban. Using this functionality does not require a last.fm account
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 05, 2012, 02:12:26 AM
It does not work for me. I have tried giving a song ban (while holding shift), I have tried giving 0,5 starts (while holding shift), but when I have opened it from other directory it played and nothing has happened. I was using latest 1.4 and 2.0 versions.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: ma_t14 on May 05, 2012, 03:49:07 AM
Mark all those song with 0 stars or something else and then create a filter with those criteria to filter them out. That way you will never see them again unless you desire. Problem solve  ;)
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Steven on May 05, 2012, 07:10:48 AM
It does not work for me. I have tried giving a song ban (while holding shift), I have tried giving 0,5 starts (while holding shift), but when I have opened it from other directory it played and nothing has happened. I was using latest 1.4 and 2.0 versions.
you do this with the "Love" field not the rating
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 06, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
Mark all those song with 0 stars or something else and then create a filter with those criteria to filter them out. That way you will never see them again unless you desire. Problem solve  ;)
You have not read what I said before. There is no point in keeping tracks you do not like in your collection. And you if do not keep them in your collection, rating does not work!
Also I am not sure if you have same two tracks from different albums and you give 0 stars to one track that another track would automatically get 0 stars rating. I doubt that it will work.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 06, 2012, 09:34:12 AM
you do this with the "Love" field not the rating
That "Love" field is a mystery for me. Are you talking about http://s13.postimage.org/5jkoqnd3p/love.png this one? If so, it is not working. I have tried numerous times.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: ma_t14 on May 06, 2012, 02:28:56 PM
You have not read what I said before. There is no point in keeping tracks you do not like in your collection. And you if do not keep them in your collection, rating does not work!
Also I am not sure if you have same two tracks from different albums and you give 0 stars to one track that another track would automatically get 0 stars rating. I doubt that it will work.

In fact I have read everything you said, maybe it was not clear to me or everybody else that read your post. You are saying that you don't wont to keep certain tracks in your collection and also keep a database of those tracks. What you mean is that you want these tracks to be DELETED from your computer and only included as entries in a database so you know that you should not ever put those song in your collection again, is that it?

you do this with the "Love" field not the rating
That "Love" field is a mystery for me. Are you talking about http://s13.postimage.org/5jkoqnd3p/love.png this one? If so, it is not working. I have tried numerous times.

The love field works in association with last.fm. If don't have a last.fm account its useless and won't work
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Steven on May 06, 2012, 02:51:12 PM
The love field works in association with last.fm. If don't have a last.fm account its useless and won't work
thats not quite correct - MB can support the field when you have no account. It just updates the MB cache only
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: ma_t14 on May 06, 2012, 02:53:34 PM
The love field works in association with last.fm. If don't have a last.fm account its useless and won't work
thats not quite correct - MB can support the field when you have no account. It just updates the MB cache only

Okay, now I'm puzzled... Why won't it work if you have no internet connection then if all it does is update the cache  ???

http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=6382.msg36599#msg36599
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Steven on May 06, 2012, 03:02:22 PM
because you have a last.fm account so that is the "golden source"
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 06, 2012, 07:18:45 PM
In fact I have read everything you said, maybe it was not clear to me or everybody else that read your post. You are saying that you don't wont to keep certain tracks in your collection and also keep a database of those tracks. What you mean is that you want these tracks to be DELETED from your computer and only included as entries in a database so you know that you should not ever put those song in your collection again, is that it?
That's correct.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: ma_t14 on May 06, 2012, 07:26:02 PM
In that case +1

This suggestion actually has HUGE potential... Imagine having the ability to compare new songs against criteria you set (e.g artist + album + title) with a database of songs you have no interest! That is quite something and I doubt any other player has such a feature.

That way you can keep your library neat and organized more easily without having to listen to everything new you add to the library. You will know at once that you stumbled upon tracks that you might heard in the past and did not like, no need to go over them again and again...

p/s
The only thing that is kind of a disadvantage is that your music taste does not stay the same forever. Tracks that you disliked in the past may have a new meaning to you now... hmm. I would like to hear other people's opinions as well!  :)
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 06, 2012, 07:41:57 PM
As far as I know other popular players do not have this feature.
If your taste changes (I believe it will not happen quite often), you should be able to modify that database.

Steven says that this feature is already working, unfortunately he does not go into the details explaining how to do it. Maybe I am stupid, but I cannot follow his directions and get it working :-[.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Steven on May 06, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
if you ban a track then it gets automatically skipped from playback - however on your further explanation perhaps you also want the file physically deleted in which case thats not what the "ban" does.
To ban a track, display the "Love" field in the main panel and when you click it with the SHIFT key held down it will ban the track instead. Same for when the Love field is displayed in the player panel.
It works best if you have a last.fm account but can be used without an account, but the data is only stored in the musicbee cache
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Kaelri on May 06, 2012, 07:59:17 PM
Is this really a common scenario? I'm just curious. I can see the value of a "ban" list when you're streaming from online services like Last.fm or Pandora, where you don't know what song is coming next. But why would you be re-importing so many tracks that you've already listened to and removed? Where are they coming from?
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 06, 2012, 08:36:13 PM
Is this really a common scenario? I'm just curious. I can see the value of a "ban" list when you're streaming from online services like Last.fm or Pandora, where you don't know what song is coming next. But why would you be re-importing so many tracks that you've already listened to and removed? Where are they coming from?
The simplest example: you download full discography of one artist (all his/her albums) and you do sorting out what you like and what you don't; if you listen to one song and decide you don't like it, you wont need to listen to it again (and among hundredths of albums it will definitely be repeated).
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: Zak on May 07, 2012, 04:30:57 AM
I think the question being asked is:
If you have a song you dislike so much that you never want to hear it, why don't you just delete the file?

Then it's guaranteed to never get played, never reappear if you make a new library, and you get to use the disk space for something else.
Title: Re: Unfavorite list
Post by: vinki on May 07, 2012, 07:47:23 AM
I think the question being asked is:
If you have a song you dislike so much that you never want to hear it, why don't you just delete the file?

Then it's guaranteed to never get played, never reappear if you make a new library, and you get to use the disk space for something else.

Your suggestion will work only and only if 1) you have all the albums released from all artists on you 1 Zettabyte hard drive and 2) you plan never to get new albums from this point onward. This way, if you don't like one song, you find all the albums where it was released and delete it from there. But as those two assumptions are not realistic, you suggestion does not work.