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Title: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 06:08:26 PM
Dear hiccup,

Thank you very much for quick answer and warm welcome!
You have absolutely right not to make this thread filled with unnecesary basic concepts.
But I would be enormosly grateful if you could help me with this particular situation shown on the screenshot.
Maybe I am trying to use your codes for vritual tags in the wrong place or in unapropriate way?

https://imgur.com/a/J6xofFx (https://imgur.com/a/J6xofFx)

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This thread was split off from https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=28999.0 as it started to get off-topic.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 06:14:04 PM
https://imgur.com/a/J6xofFx (https://imgur.com/a/J6xofFx)
Could you re-post (a link to) the screenshot in a lossless (e.g. PNG) and not resized format?
In it's current form I can't read the details.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 06:43:23 PM
https://imgur.com/wlEtAp1 (https://imgur.com/wlEtAp1)

Is it better now?
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 07:01:28 PM
Is it better now?
No.
Does it look sharp and pixel-perfect to you when you click the link yourself?
(and… we are already drifting off-topic)
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 07:28:16 PM
When I click the link and zoom in picture it does look sharp and pixel-perfect. Can you also zoom the picture?
(My deep apologize for that... we can delete this conversation aftewords)
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 07:34:15 PM
When I click the link and zoom in picture it does look sharp and pixel-perfect. Can you also zoom the picture?
Strange, for me using zoom does not zoom to original size but only to a slightly larger (but still unreadable) size.
But when I download the image to my computer, it is pixel-prefect indeed.
Perhaps it's something related to my (Firefox) browser? Or some Imgur behaviour I am not aware of?
Never mind, I'll take a look now.

edit
So your screenshot comes from a computer display that has a resolution that exceeds mine. And Imgur doesn't seem to provide some 'actual size' view, so even 'zoom' remains restricted.
Even while off-topic, let's leave the posts concerning this here. They might be useful to others that (same as me) aren't aware of this.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 07:41:25 PM
https://imgur.com/a/J6xofFx (https://imgur.com/a/J6xofFx)
That's a bit strange indeed.
What does it say when you hover over the exclamation mark?

For know, the only explanation that I have is that the custom tag (Picard title full) was not yet 'acknowledged' by MusicBee before you created the virtual tags.
When creating a new custom tag, after pressing 'save' MusicBee will need to rescan your complete library to take effect.
Maybe that was somehow interrupted?
Maybe rescan your library, restart MB and try to add the virtual tags again?
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 07:45:39 PM
It does say: The virtual tag expression cannot be parsed @ >,₁)="T",$Split($Split(<Picard title full>,₁,2),¹,1),)
Meanwhile I will try suggested steps.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 07:56:53 PM
I rescaned library and restarted MB, but alas it pops out same message!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 08:06:18 PM
I rescaned library and restarted MB, but alas it pops out same message!
Strange.

Let's do a test. When in the tag editor panel and you press the … button here: (never mind the tags and formulas displayed in the screenshot)

(https://i.imgur.com/q21ThLF.png)

does it show the newly created 'Picard title full' custom tag on the right 'Field Selector' panel?

(https://i.imgur.com/hL1ZQ8w.png)
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 08:10:39 PM
Yes it does show.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 08:17:46 PM
Alright, thank you very much!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 08:20:15 PM
Yes it does show.
Then I am out of ideas for today.
I'll need fresh eyes or mind (or somebody else's?) to figure out what is going on here.

edit
A random thought based on not much: is there something non-standard that could be mentioned about your Windows version or regional/language settings?
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 14, 2023, 08:42:55 PM
I have Windows 11 Pro (version 22h2) and english (US).
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 14, 2023, 08:56:39 PM
Ok, so this is bugging me ;-)

If you could do me a favour:
Download MusicBee portable:
https://mega.nz/file/MxETQAxS#3gaBLs4InYbIYDmxA_wDYJzFeI-FIcC6ffQo7lljUmg
and install it somewhere outside Windows' system folders. (preferably on some D: or E: drive)
(it won't interfere with your current MusicBee install in any way)

- create the custom tag:
Code
Picard title full
- save and restart MusicBee

- create the virtual tag:
Code
$If($Contains(<Picard title full>,₁)="T",$Split($Split(<Picard title full>,₁,2),¹,1),)
Does creating the virtual tag then still trigger that exclamation/warning?
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 11:41:47 AM
Unknown to me suddendly there was no exlamation when I tried once again this morning to create virtual tags in standard MB.
But on the other hand, this outcome was not expected...

https://imgur.com/a/OEHVatT (https://imgur.com/a/OEHVatT)

As you can see there is no tags at all in main window.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 11:47:24 AM
Just in case, here are the first steps, if I am accidentaly doing something wrong?

https://imgur.com/a/LnPkM6P (https://imgur.com/a/LnPkM6P)

https://imgur.com/a/4UcF82z (https://imgur.com/a/4UcF82z)
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 15, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
Two out of the three image links lead to a 404 page.

I'm going to ask a moderator to split up the last 15 posts or so to a new topic on 'Questions'.
They are not relevant to this Tips & Tricks topic and make it messy and confusing to other users.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 03:43:52 PM
I agree, that is best solution!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 15, 2023, 03:49:40 PM
It's going to get done later today.

So, let's continue.
Can I assume you have Picard working fine, writing the necessary tags?
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 05:01:23 PM
Unforutanately not, exlamation has gone, but as you can see, there is no tags either.

https://imgur.com/a/0MMMUQv (https://imgur.com/a/0MMMUQv)
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 15, 2023, 05:38:58 PM
Unforutanately not, exlamation has gone, but as you can see, there is no tags either.
please re-read my question
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 05:49:12 PM
Not sure if understand you completely, but I will try explain last few steps. Once again I wrote virutal tags and exlamation has gone, but on the other hand in bottom of MB in Classical Theatre Mode there is no tags at all, just empty boxes with minutes. I hope you can see that in screenshot.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 15, 2023, 05:58:17 PM
The Tips & Tricks thread you have been replying to, and are referencing to is called:

Managing (levels of) classical music works using MusicBee and MusicBrainz Picard

Do you see the last three words?
Have you even read my explanations on using Picard in that thread?

I am going to leave it at this.
If you still want to pursue this I suggest that you read everything carefully again, and try to gain an understanding of what is required for all this.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
Yes I have read and used it according to yours explanations and scripts.
Anyhow I will re-read it once again very carefully and try to acquire knowlegde.
Once again my sincere apologize for disturbing you and taking your time, if it wasn't my intention at all.

All the best!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 15, 2023, 06:10:00 PM
Not a problem. Good luck.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: MetClassOper on January 15, 2023, 06:51:22 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: DukeBrymin on January 25, 2023, 05:45:36 AM
Just a comment on the red exclamation point.  That will happen if you've defined the "Picard title full" custom tag in the New Custom Tag Definition box, but in the "custom tags" list in the Preferences dialog you haven't added "Picard title full" to the list of custom tags.  i.e. MusicBee can't "see" the new custom tag without its being listed there also.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: DukeBrymin on January 25, 2023, 05:57:24 AM
And now a newbie question.  I've set up MusicBrainz and Musicbee as best I could.  But the picardtitlefull tag isn't populated in MusicBee.  If I bring up the Tag Inspector, I can see:
PICARD TITLE FULL..........TXXX/picardtitlefull..........₁Concerto for Piano and Orchestra no. 3 in C minor, op. 37¹₄III. Rondo. Allegro⁴

but in the Tags(2) page, "picard title full" is, ironically, empty.  If I manually paste the value in there, then things start to work.
Any idea why the tag isn't being populated correctly?
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: boroda on January 25, 2023, 05:10:38 PM
rescan tracks: tools> advanced> rescan all files.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: DukeBrymin on January 26, 2023, 04:24:08 AM
I've tried rescanning files multiple times, changing things here and there, and can't seem to find where my stuff is messed up.  I think the problem is in MusicBee, because it looks like the tag picardtitlefull is assigned correctly.  This first screenshot shows what I mean:
(https://i.imgur.com/34e16m3.png)
As you can see, in the Tags (2) tab, the "picard title full:" field is empty, but in the Tag Inspector, PICARD TITLE FULL......TXXX/picardtitlefull is there and set to the right thing.
Perhaps I set up the custom tag wrong.  Here's what that looks like:
(https://i.imgur.com/yZ3uJPV.png)
So, my plaintive cry is "What am I doing wrong?"
Thanks!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: Steven on January 26, 2023, 06:54:37 AM
Select "Picard title full" in "save to music file as tag"
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 26, 2023, 08:07:28 AM
You have set the custom tag 'picard title full' to read/write to MusicBee's database only.
So it won't read the tag from the files, where Picard has written it.

Just make it linking to the tag you have created under tag definitions:

(https://i.imgur.com/BKHjgxg.png)

oops, sorry
I see the answer/solution was already given.
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: DukeBrymin on January 26, 2023, 01:51:24 PM
Woohoo!  That was the part I was missing. Thank you!
Title: Re: Classical Music Formula Problems
Post by: hiccup on January 26, 2023, 02:17:06 PM
Great.
I see it was an omission in my step-by-step guide to describe that specific step, so I just added it.
Thanks for 'revealing' that omission.