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Title: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 30, 2022, 09:17:12 PM
I have a collection of B. B. King albums that for some reason are treated as tracks in under the first "track's" name.

I checked that each album file is headed with the correct, unique album title, with the artist title spelled as "B. B. King" (I had a few mislabeled as "B.  B. King" (excess blank between the leading B.) I straightened that out. I corrected "B.B. King". Nonetheless, only one album title appears - "B. B. King - Japan Blues Carnival", ignoring, for examples, "B. B. King - Live in Bonn or "B. B. King - Live in Hamburg".

Is there a way to refresh the listings, hoping the one "album" splits into the collection of unique album names?
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: hiccup on January 30, 2022, 10:34:17 PM
Have you checked that the tracks adhere to the rules as (you have) set to get them grouped as an album under: Preferences > Sorting/Grouping > grouping?
And, some explanatory screenshots would probably be helpful.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 31, 2022, 12:01:04 AM
RE: Screensht - I'd post one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to register, etc. for Imagur. If there's an alternate way to post a screenshot, the file's waiting to be posted.

OK, whinging about Imagur done...
Loosely, here's what I have currently. The 1 is the track number for each album. There should be (using this sample) three albums of 1 track each. Instead, there's one album. The entry in Album for each file seems to be ignored.

Japan Blues Carnival
    1 Japan Blues Carnival
    1 B. B. King - Live in Bonn
    1 B. B. King - Live in Hamburg

Some slight progress. "Japan Blues Carnival", "B.B. King - Live in Bonn", etc.  are the name of the only track in each album. That is, album "Japan Blues Carnival" has one track, called "Japan Blues Carnival". I changed a track name, and the list of album titles is the name of the first and only track.

However, the entry for each album is filled with "Japan Blues Carnival",etc. Using the short sample above, There should be an album heading like this:
Japan Blues Carnival
   1 Japan Blues Carnival

B. B. King - Live in Bonn
   1 B. B. King - Live in Bonn

B. B. King - Live in Hamburg
   1 B. B. King - Live in Hamburg

There is nothing like this under artist B. B. King
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: Zak on January 31, 2022, 12:33:48 AM
RE: Screensht - I'd post one in a heartbeat if I didn't have to register, etc. for Imagur. If there's an alternate way to post a screenshot, the file's waiting to be posted.
You don't have to register with Imgur to upload a one-off photo. Just click the New Post link in the top-left corner.

imgur.com/upload (https://imgur.com/upload)
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 31, 2022, 01:28:38 AM
I thnk I've got this grab in the right place...

(https://imgur.com/a/xPfipXL)

Huh? I don't see this in preview. Try this URL... https://imgur.com/a/xPfipXL  OK, the link works for Imagur knows how long...
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: Zak on January 31, 2022, 03:33:24 AM
The only way I can replicate this is by specifying that albums are stored in separate folders.
This is done using the settings mentioned in the first reply:

(https://i.imgur.com/0btcmoi.png)

If you have the first option selected, it won't matter what the album tag is.
That's a workaround for people that haven't tagged their files correctly, and probably isn't what you want.

If it isn't that, click the Album and Tracks heading shown in your screenshot, select Customise Panel... and post a screenshot of those settings.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: phred on January 31, 2022, 03:35:48 AM
I corrected "B.B. King".

This won't fix your issue, but Mr. King spells his name as "B.B. King" (no space between the first and second 'B'. It's that way on the official B.B. King website and in just about all other sites that reference his body of works.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: psychoadept on January 31, 2022, 05:11:25 AM
I think hiccup and Zak are on the right track, this is a sorting/grouping problem.  If your sort order is Album Artist/Album and Zak's suggetion doesn't help, one other thing to check would be the Sort Album field on the Sorting tab of the tag editor.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 31, 2022, 03:02:23 PM
[original post text deleted]

Problem solved - it was the sorting settings. I changed to sorting by filename, then folder name  Oddly "album name" is grayed out. Why is that?
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: psychoadept on January 31, 2022, 05:09:53 PM
[original post text deleted]

Problem solved - it was the sorting settings. I changed to sorting by filename, then folder name  Oddly "album name" is grayed out. Why is that?

Are you talking about the bottom of the sorting/grouping preferences?  Those are the fields that MusicBee uses when deciding what constitutes an album. Album Name is required, Album Artist is strongly recommended, other fields are optional.

If that's not it, can you give us a screenshot? Thanks.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: Zak on January 31, 2022, 05:58:20 PM
Oddly "album name" is grayed out. Why is that?
Kinda self-explanatory. If you use tags to distinguish between albums, it wouldn't make sense for the album title not to be one of them.

Though why it is second on the list, I don't know.

Problem solved - it was the sorting settings. I changed to sorting by filename...
Wait. You added Filename to the list of fields that define an album?   :-\

That may fix the issue for your B.B. King albums - because each album is a separate file - but if you have other "normal" albums where each track is a separate file, you will have borked how they are shown.

If you have changed from the first radio option to the second, there should be no need for you to add anything besides the non-optional Album Name tag (and probably Album Artist so every "Greatest Hits" album isn't grouped together).
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 31, 2022, 06:24:00 PM
OK, understand why that field's grayed out. It wasn't clear to me whether it was used or not.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 31, 2022, 06:54:35 PM
Indeed, I did cleverly turn every every track in other albums into "albums". I fixed that, too.

One oddity showed up that I don't understand. I had a directory full of albums where the "Album" tag was blank (very odd  - dunno why I didn't includ the Album title when I used MP3Tag to put in song titles, artist's name. Anyway, I corrected that but the album title wasn't listed, just the songs with the right track no. and year.

I deleted the artist altogether, then hit INSERT. The album tags were filled out, but not shown bold letters above tracks. Somehow I bumbled into getting them displayed. The question is "is there a way to fully refresh the albums under any one artist's name?" (Think of the equivalent of hitting F5 to refresh whatever's being shown in Windows Explorer)
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: psychoadept on January 31, 2022, 08:55:51 PM
Unless you've changed your hotkeys, I believe F5 is refresh in MusicBee, too.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on January 31, 2022, 10:32:35 PM
So it is! Worked like a charm. Thanks!
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: Zak on February 01, 2022, 05:05:26 AM
I deleted the artist altogether, then hit INSERT. The album tags were filled out, but not shown bold letters above tracks. Somehow I bumbled into getting them displayed. The question is "is there a way to fully refresh the albums under any one artist's name?" (Think of the equivalent of hitting F5 to refresh whatever's being shown in Windows Explorer)
Send To > File Rescan in the right-click context menu will force MusicBee to re-read all the tags if you have edited them in another program, like Mp3tag.
You can assign a shortcut key to this command if you will be doing it a lot.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on February 01, 2022, 02:53:24 PM
F5 takes me where I want to go.

Now, all I have to do is figure a work-around for trying to change tags on actual files (MusicBee's library is working just fine). I've got that cursed "unable to write this file" problem Win10 dreams up. Grrr...

The usual trick is to change the file's ownership. BTDT and nada... Sure makes me wish I could get more done under Linux.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: phred on February 01, 2022, 06:21:51 PM
Now, all I have to do is figure a work-around for trying to change tags on actual files (MusicBee's library is working just fine). I've got that cursed "unable to write this file" problem Win10 dreams up. Grrr...
What is the path to the directory where your music files live?
Have you checked to make sure the files aren't 'read-only'?
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on February 01, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
This is an old problem that shows up only when I stumble across an uncooperative file. MP3tag shows up the problem. I just sent a sample file to him.

Everything looks right, the ownership, permissions, etc. look fine. The file plays, but something is wrong somewhere. I think it has to do with being a .wav file. I don't recall mp3's doing this to me.

I 've been asked about file integrity (whatever that really means). MediaInfo doesn't complain about the file. Audacity will read it without a problem. The exported .wav works, naturally.

Supposedly Foobar2000 can do some sort of check. Installed it, looking for the utility, which no longer exists, if it ever did. Anyway, I was reminded about why I uninstalled it, and stay with MusicBee. :)
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: phred on February 01, 2022, 08:07:33 PM
I think it has to do with being a .wav file. I don't recall mp3's doing this to me.
You never mentioned that the file(s) were in wav format. Which can not deal with tags in any reliable manner.

As a test, use MB to convert one of the problem wav files to a flac or mp3 file and see if the problem goes away.
Title: Re: Series of Albums continue to list as one album, many tracks.
Post by: RBEmerson on February 01, 2022, 09:33:07 PM
Sorry, didn't think format mattered here. Anyway, AFAIK all of the problematic files are .WAV files. The MP3tag developer has one of the misbehavings files now.

Converting from .WAV to FLAC, etc. doesn't say much more than the conversion can be done. The resulting file will be a new file. The problem is with old, somehow "infected", files. FWIW, I used Audacity to export an "infected" .WAV to another .WAV file (that is, Audacity opened sick.wav, and exported it as not-sick.wav). No problem with tweaking the tags in the exported .WAV, only the source files has problems.

I share your mistrust of .WAV tags. They are often a moving target unlike, for example, .MP3. Oh, well, I'll let Florian (developer) see if he can turn up something. Oh, the joys of modern technology! LOL