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Title: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 18, 2020, 12:05:14 AM
On a whim, I recently decided to give the Vivaldi browser (https://vivaldi.com) a spin, and I am now a huge fan. I've made it my main browser for both home and work, and even on my phone.

It has several things built in that other browsers need extensions for, including blocking ads, full-page screen captures, and a full-featured start page. My favorite thing is what they call Web Panels. They're basically pinned tabs, except they work like the auto-hide panels in MusicBee. They just pop out on top of whatever else you're doing. It's great for search engines, email, anything like that. You can see in my screenshot that I have Wikipedia, DuckDuckGo, and Gmail set up. At work, I have one that is basically a "drawer" for my google drive - I can find the file I want in the web panel, and clicking on it opens it in a new tab. They're designed to use the mobile view of a website, if available, but you can easily switch back to desktop (gmail's a little bit of a challenge there, but still doable).

You can have the web panel on the left or right, I just happen to have it on the right. You can see that it also shows bookmarks, downloads, history, a notes panel, and "windows" panel, which is sort of like history, but based more on tab and window management. It also tracks changes on pages you have open and can, optionally, tell you when something is updated. This goes along with a setting to reload tabs periodically, if you want to.

The left side in my screenshot is my tabs. You can have them on top, bottom, left or right - with or without text, with or without thumbnails. I wasn't sure I was going to like having them that small, but I've gotten used to it pretty quickly (I turned off the close tab button and turned on closing with double-click).  I also have my taskbar on the left, so it's already natural to reach left when I want to switch between things.

Putting the address bar in the title bar takes a CSS file and a little fiddling, which I'll be happy to share if anyone is interested. That was the clincher for me. I don't want things crowded, but I hate wasted space. This couldn't be much more perfect, in terms of layout. Ok, I could stand to have the tab icons a *little* bigger, but that might be adjustable with css. I'll have to see. There've been a few challenges with pages not loading right due to security settings, but they've all been resolved.

There are lots of other settings to mess with. It really compares with MusicBee in terms of flexibility. And the forum and update cycle seem comparable, too. I was initially having a problem with downloads in the web panels, but it was already resolved with the release that came out yesterday.


(click for larger view)
(https://i.imgur.com/byAqnnu.png)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: phred on October 18, 2020, 03:44:41 AM
Nice review. I played around with Vivaldi Browser about six months ago. Used it for about a week and abandoned it. I've been using Waterfox for about a year and am mostly happy with it. Perhaps it's time to give Vivaldi another look.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 18, 2020, 04:16:56 AM
It really reminds me of going from Media Monkey to MusicBee. That feeling of "ok, where's the add-on for... oh, you can just DO that. That's how it should be!"
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 18, 2020, 06:08:08 AM
...I discovered the Vivaldi Browser for me in September 2018. Thanks to a very good Vivaldi Forum I could modify my Vivaldi Browser in many ways:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/categories

https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/43/customizations-extensions

https://forum.vivaldi.net/user/stardepp

See also at my signature

(https://i.imgur.com/zbu51yF.png)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 18, 2020, 06:55:06 AM
I'm not for sure if it was here or MusicBrainz that I stumbled on Vivaldi, but it could very well have been your signature.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 18, 2020, 07:03:33 AM
Good to know 8)  I learned about Vivaldi in September 2018 in the German Tech Blog Golem.de (https://www.golem.de). Since then I am a big fan of Vivaldi.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: hiccup on October 18, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
It's free, but it's proprietary software by a commercial company.
So I am curious to know what their business model is.

Are they monetizing it with selling user data? Adding advertisements?
What?
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 18, 2020, 08:56:59 AM
@hiccup

Quote
So I am curious to know what their business model is.

Are they monetizing it with selling user data? Adding advertisements?
What?

What’s Vivaldi’s business model?: https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/


About Vivaldi:

What We Believe: https://vivaldi.com/company/

We Don't Track You: https://vivaldi.com/zerotracking/

Privacy & Terms: https://vivaldi.com/privacy/

Security:  https://vivaldi.com/security/

Vivaldi Team: https://vivaldi.com/team/
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 18, 2020, 09:03:10 AM
Vivaldi + MusicBee Miniplayer Get MusicBee:

(https://i.imgur.com/0aI3NP1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zbu51yF.png)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 18, 2020, 09:20:41 AM
Looks good! I reduced the image size, you can click for a larger view.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 18, 2020, 09:23:14 AM
Quote
I reduced the image size, you can click for a larger view.


How can I set this myself?
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 18, 2020, 09:33:06 AM
Just add width=500 (or whatever value you want) inside the img element. If you edit your previous post you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 18, 2020, 09:38:19 AM
@psychoadept Many thanks, I have now understood.  8)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 19, 2020, 03:04:46 PM
For the record, I was able to increase the icon size on the tabs: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/51862/css-to-make-tab-icons-larger

Now they're about the same as the Windows taskbar icons (but with less excess space).
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 19, 2020, 03:13:37 PM
@psychoadept I am happy for you. I read your post in the Vivaldi Forum. I am stardepp in the Vivaldi Forum. If you like, I can show you more modifications for Vivaldi if you like.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: The Incredible Boom Boom on October 19, 2020, 04:20:51 PM
How do you all find the memory usage compared to Chrome (if used before?)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 19, 2020, 04:24:40 PM
What do you mean by memory load? How much CPU load the browser needs? ...much less.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: psychoadept on October 19, 2020, 04:47:22 PM
How do you all find the memory usage compared to Chrome (if used before?)

One of the first things I did was run them side by side, and I found them pretty similar, Vivaldi a little less.


@psychoadept I am happy for you. I read your post in the Vivaldi Forum. I am stardepp in the Vivaldi Forum. If you like, I can show you more modifications for Vivaldi if you like.

I've found a few, but if there are some you recommend I'll take a look.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 19, 2020, 04:52:35 PM
If you have a lot of tabs open in Vivaldi, you can put the background tabs in sleep mode to save CPU.


(https://i.imgur.com/mqwtYVo.png)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: phred on October 19, 2020, 05:09:47 PM
@stardepp- slightly off-topic, but what's the font showing in your screenshot?
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 19, 2020, 05:29:07 PM
I use the Comic Sans MS font throughout Vivaldi and Windows as well as in MusicBee.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: phred on October 19, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on October 19, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
With pleasure.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Terry Walker on December 08, 2020, 06:29:18 AM
I use the Comic Sans MS font throughout Vivaldi and Windows as well as in MusicBee.
Same here, I'm using Comic sans MS font as well.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on February 15, 2021, 06:47:21 AM
...exactly, see here:

(https://i.imgur.com/mYLQ0aH.jpg)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on February 15, 2021, 07:30:32 AM
Willkommen bei Vivaldi. Die folgenden Links finden Sie möglicherweise interessant :

Vivaldi Help https://help.vivaldi.com/<br /><br />Vivaldi-Verhaltenskodex https://vivaldi.com/privacy/code-of-conduct/<br /><br />
Vivaldi Company https://vivaldi.com/en/company/<br /><br />
Vivaldi Business Model https://vivaldi.com/en/blog/vivaldi-business-model/<br /><br />Vivaldi Bug Report https://vivaldi.com/de/bugreport/<br /><br />
Vivaldi Ad blocker https://vivaldi.com/features/ad-blocker/<br /><br />Vivaldi Email Client https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/191/vivaldi-mail<br /><br />
Vivaldi Privacy https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/<br /><br />
Vivaldi No Tracking https://vivaldi.com/zero00tracking/<br /><br />
Modding Vivaldi https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/10549/modding-vivaldi<br /><br />
Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Web-Panels https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/11564/show-me-your-web-panels<br /><br />
Vivaldi-Farbschemata https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/20106/post-your-color-scheme-at-vivaldi<br /><br />
Vivaldi Favorite Extension https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/12540/vote-for-your-favorite-extension<br /><br />
Vivaldi Für Android https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/147/vivaldi-browser-for-android<br /><br />
Vivaldi Vergleich Snapshot Vs. Stable Vivaldi https://vivaldi.com/de/blog/snapshot-vs-stable/<br /><br />
Vivaldi Status https://vivaldistatus.com<br /><br />
Vivaldi Download https://vivaldi.com/en/download/<br /><br /><img src=[/img]" />
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on February 17, 2021, 02:21:38 PM
If you have a lot of tabs open in Vivaldi, you can put the background tabs in sleep mode to save CPU.


(https://i.imgur.com/mqwtYVo.png)
The latest release(s?) of Microsoft Edge has the same feature, BTW, and you can set the elapsed/inactive time for tabs to enter sleep mode. There is also a group option for IT administrators. (I'm trying Vivaldi out as well.)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on February 17, 2021, 02:35:12 PM
In Vivaldi it is even possible to place a Hibernate Background button on the status bar:

(https://i.imgur.com/DLYOhXX.jpg)

This is made possible by this Javascript modification:

Code
(function () {
  // ============================================================================================================
  // Hibernate Background Tabs Status Bar Button Mod
  //    - made by nomadic on the Vivaldi Forums
  // ============================================================================================================
  function hibernateBackgroundTabsButton() {
    // Config ------------

    // 0 is farthest left on the status bar's right grouping of buttons
    // keep adding 1 to the variable to move it over to the right.
    const HIBERNATE_BTN_POSITION = 1;

    // -------------------

    function hibernateBackgroundTabs() {
      vivaldi.windowPrivate.getCurrentId((currentWindowId) => {
        chrome.tabs.query({ windowType: "normal" }, (tabs) => {
          tabs.forEach((tab) => {
            if (tab.windowId === currentWindowId && tab.active) return;
            chrome.tabs.discard(tab.id);
          });
        });
      });
    }

    // shamelessly modified from @luetage's "Random Theme Button Mod" because I am lazy
    function addHibernateButton() {
      // Check if button already exists before adding
      if (!document.getElementById("hibernate")) {
        let div = document.createElement("div");
        div.id = "hibernate";
        div.classList.add("button-toolbar");
        div.innerHTML =
          '<button draggable="true" tabindex="-1" title="Hibernate Background Tabs" type="button"><span><svg width="12" height="12" viewBox="0 0 26 26" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><path d="M24.46.65c.1 0 .2.1.18.22l-.04.08-.06.2-.3.74-1.51 3.77-.34.85-.1.28-.04.06v.05h.16l.32-.05 2.17-.36c.15 0 .27-.04.35-.06h.26l.06.14c.11.55.2 1.12.27 1.7l-.02.02a1.36 1.36 0 01-.4.13l-3.48.6-3.6.59-.23.04h-.08a.24.24 0 01-.14-.06.16.16 0 01-.02-.08v-.16l.28-.71L19.4 5.5l.6-1.46.19-.45.04-.12v-.06h-.02V3.4h-.12c-.79.12-1.58.24-2.39.4l-.33.06h-.26l-.08-.12c-.1-.46-.2-.9-.25-1.36l-.04-.2v-.08l.02-.06a.4.4 0 01.06-.06l.15-.06.54-.11 3.11-.54 2.69-.43.83-.14.23-.04zm-7.61 4.06c.12-.01.21.06.25.2V5l-.04.22c0 .2-.06.5-.11.9l-.64 4.5-.15.99-.04.32v.11h.02v.04h.06l.07-.06.36-.13 1.1-.48 1.15-.5.37-.15.1-.04h.16c.04 0 .06.04.12.1.27.6.51 1.16.75 1.76 0 0 0 .04-.04.06a1.52 1.52 0 01-.4.23l-6.43 2.8-.88.38c-.1.04-.2.06-.24.1l-.08.02h-.02c-.06.02-.14 0-.16-.04a.16.16 0 01-.06-.08l.61-4.74c.1-.67.2-1.28.24-1.73l.08-.52.02-.13v-.1l-.02.04v-.04h-.02l-.02.02c-.02 0-.06 0-.1.04l-.31.14-2.17.9-.34.16-.12.04h-.16c-.03 0-.07-.04-.11-.1l-.4-.79-.33-.8-.02-.07v-.1l.06-.07.13-.1.56-.28a211.5 211.5 0 016.86-2.96l.26-.08.06-.04h.02zm-.71 7.32l-.02.02h.02zm-5.35 0c.14 0 .26.14.26.32l-.02.12-.08.25-2.57 8.15v.1l-.02.02v.04h.08l.14-.02.45-.12 3.63-.87h.2c.04.04.08.08.12.18l.6 2.25-.03.08-.06.06a1.93 1.93 0 01-.55.23c-.65.2-2.01.54-4.8 1.23l-4.92 1.2-.34.08H2.8l-.04.02a.34.34 0 01-.2-.08.2.2 0 01-.05-.12v-.24l.31-1.02 2.1-6.6.19-.66.06-.18v-.1H5.1l-.12.04-.43.1-1.42.36-1.44.35-.48.1-.13.02H.85l-.12-.16c-.2-.63-.35-1.24-.51-1.87 0-.12-.04-.2-.06-.28v-.2a.55.55 0 01.1-.1l.2-.1.74-.19a295.7 295.7 0 018-2.01l1.14-.28.31-.06.1-.02h.02z"/></svg><span></button>';
        // positon the button based on the config
        let elBefore = document.querySelector(".StatusInfo").nextSibling;
        for (let i = 0; i < HIBERNATE_BTN_POSITION; i++) {
          elBefore = elBefore.nextSibling;
        }
        document.querySelector(".toolbar-statusbar").insertBefore(div, elBefore);
        document.querySelector("#hibernate button svg").style = "width: 14px; height: 14px;";
        document.getElementById("hibernate").addEventListener("click", hibernateBackgroundTabs);
      }
    }

    // CHANGE #1: Re-add the button after exiting fullscreen
    let browser = document.getElementById("browser");
    let oldState = browser.classList.contains("fullscreen") || browser.classList.contains("minimal-ui");
    let browserObserver = new MutationObserver(function (mutations) {
      mutations.forEach(function (mutation) {
        if (mutation.attributeName == "class") {
          let isFullscreen =
            mutation.target.classList.contains("fullscreen") || mutation.target.classList.contains("minimal-ui");
          if (oldState !== isFullscreen) {
            oldState = isFullscreen;
            if (!isFullscreen) {
              addHibernateButton();
            }
          }
          // CHANGE #2: Re-add the button after toggling status bar
        } else if (Array.from(mutation.addedNodes).find((element) => element.classList.contains("toolbar-statusbar"))) {
          addHibernateButton();
        }
      });
    });

    browserObserver.observe(browser, { attributes: true, childList: true });

    addHibernateButton();
  }

  let intervalID = setInterval(() => {
    const browser = document.getElementById("browser");
    if (browser) {
      clearInterval(intervalID);
      hibernateBackgroundTabsButton();
    }
  }, 300);
})();
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on February 17, 2021, 02:38:47 PM
In Vivaldi you can also reload tabs after a certain time interval:

(https://i.imgur.com/4ZNNXoF.jpg)
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on September 06, 2021, 05:56:31 PM
I tried starting a new topic, and got nada; after two weeks, I'll give this a last MB try here, perhaps nudging the intended audience:
--------------
Hello there. I learned about Vivaldi on this Forum, so I'll try asking here first:
I'm still running Windows 7, happily; but, I recently uninstalled the Bing Desktop and lost the dropping search bar that I relied on for years. I use Vivaldi along with Edge and have liked the Bing search bar on the Vivaldi toolbar. Does anyone know a way to have/install such a Bing bar in Edge? I've searched for an option in Settings (preferred, expected) and for an extension, without success -ironic gap in Edge (?). I do know that an Edge address bar can have the Bing search function, but I like the separate bar.
Go MusicBee
Thank you
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: phred on September 06, 2021, 06:55:17 PM
If you got no response after posting the same thing two weeks ago, perhaps you should find a Vivaldi or Bing forum or a Reddit sub and post there. I would think you'd have better luck with that than posting here again.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on September 09, 2021, 03:21:20 PM
But it's MB post count I'm trying to build...
I do understand your logic: This was a "last" and also-, not instead-of or hadn't-thought-of-that try; but, thanks for the response.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on September 09, 2021, 03:29:41 PM
@Música The best place to ask your questions about Vivaldi Browser is here:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/54/new-to-forum

Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on September 10, 2021, 03:34:50 PM
Thank you, stardepp. It's actually an Edge question, but Vivaldi users will best understand what I want, and some there are likely to know Edge. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: watdub on September 10, 2021, 06:55:09 PM
If you're looking for separate address and search bars, it may not be possible.
See https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/forum/all/separate-search-bar-in-edge/10311432-9806-477b-b904-698ad1254fd4
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: hangglidingthejoker on June 12, 2022, 02:50:47 PM
Just use Brave browser
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: boroda on June 12, 2022, 07:06:01 PM
here is the mods, which i've made for vivaldi:

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/rtkax2nchxetx/vivaldi

and description of 2 my mods:

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/61132/autosave-sessions-and-sessions-panel-mods

p.s. i'm registered as "boroda74" on vivaldi forum.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on June 17, 2022, 02:18:50 AM
Nice work, Boroda.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Corliss Rain on December 20, 2022, 09:29:28 PM
Hey, is anybody having issues with Vivaldi not opening? It just sits there not responding and eventually crashes my system. Can't find anything about it on the Vivaldi forum. I've got the latest version.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: boroda on December 20, 2022, 11:57:15 PM
no. what exactly version? i'm using 5.6.2867.50 (Stable channel) (64 bit) now, all is fine.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: stardepp on December 21, 2022, 07:35:00 AM
@Corliss Rain Please describe your problem in more detail: which operating system, which Vivaldi version, when exactly does this error occur.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Corliss Rain on December 21, 2022, 01:26:18 PM
Windows 11, Vivaldi 5.6.2867.50
When I open Vivaldi, it just sits unresponsive for about 15 minutes and then the computer suddenly reboots itself.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on January 24, 2023, 05:39:38 PM
Still running V 5.6.2687.58 successfully on Win 10.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Corliss Rain on January 24, 2023, 09:15:49 PM
I've downloaded it again and installed it. Still gets to the screen with the V, sits unmoving for 15 minutes, and shuts itself down. At least it's no longer crashing my whole computer this time. :-\
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on January 29, 2023, 06:27:33 PM
P.S,, also running V 5.6.2867.62 sporadically/sort of increasingly on Win 7 desktop -since Edge started showing a "no longer supported... (on W7)" alert recently.
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: sveakul on March 08, 2023, 11:09:58 PM
I've downloaded it again and installed it. Still gets to the screen with the V, sits unmoving for 15 minutes, and shuts itself down. At least it's no longer crashing my whole computer this time. :-\
I was curious to try this browser after reading about its "standalone" version that claims "The browser is self-contained within a single folder including all user data and, unless made available as a default app, won’t be added to the operating system’s registry."

I made a folder C:\Vivaldi to hold the install and began the process after downloading the latest 5.7 x64 version.  As per the web help, I specified "Install standalone", changed the install path to the folder I just made, definitely UN-checked "Make standalone available as a default app," and checked "Disable automatic updates."

After choosing to continue the install, it seemed to proceed normally, and finally brought up the browser full-screen with the option to select 1 of 3 general setup packages--I left it on the "normal" default, and when attempting to hit the "proceed" (sic) button, nothing happened.  Setup was frozen at this first screen, which could not be exited or changed and I had to kill with Task Manager.  The same result when tried a second time.

Checking my install monitor (RegShot64) I found that despite expectations it had indeed made an entry in my registry, adding a key and sub-keys of setup information in HKCU/Software/Vivaldi.

At no time did Windows Defender or my Firewall policy react.  While I suspect white-listing the new folder may have made a difference I am not anxious to try that considering the "sneaky" registry entry.

Windows 10 22h2 x64.  Windows Defender only for anti-malware/virus.  This just posted as a one-off FYI for others, won't bother registering for a Vivaldi user forum when I haven't been able to USE it yet  :(
Title: Re: Vivaldi browser
Post by: Música on April 17, 2023, 06:37:34 PM
Not sure of my selections on either my W7 or W10 installations, and didn't know nor care about the not-in-registry feature, but, FWIW, I do see a Vivaldi folder in my W7 Registry, at least.