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General => MusicBee Wishlist => Topic started by: gaiastar on September 10, 2020, 07:16:20 AM
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Hi
musicbee is the best audio player for windows 7 to 10
could be added a preamp feature according to volume analysis/replay gain , for example preamp x db (+7.5db ) only for songs with volume analysis/replay gain tags ?
maybe an option to limit the preamp to clip , for example I would preamp about +20db all my songs with volume analysis/replay gain tags , but if +20db is too much and does clip , musicbee could reduce it to avoid clipping
and about remove silence , could be added the possibility to add threshold db ?
musicbee is high advanced audio player with lots of incredible features , about my opinion lacks of some advanced features , these preamp according volume analysis/replay gain and a threshold db remove silence
i'm asking because i have ripped some vinyl records and there is some noise at the end and begining of the songs , or other tracks ripped from cd they have some audio at the end of tracks , i have used audacity
and preamp because i have some cds or albums that sound not loud , preamp only the the volume analysis/replay gain tagged would be amazing
thanks
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Fb2k has this option and it really is useful when toggling replay gain off, that you don't have to also manually turn off the preamp.
I see an option for writing the RG tags beyond 0dB with a clipping warning, but it is way too tedious to go through the whole library list and set individual preamp because the RG preamp would cause clipping to just those tracks.
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To me it looks like that pretty much defeats the purpose of having the ReplayGain feature in a player such as MusicBee.
Wouldn't the proper solution be to simply run the files that don't yet have loudness tags through the volume analysis tool?
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To me it looks like that pretty much defeats the purpose of having the ReplayGain feature in a player such as MusicBee.
Wouldn't the proper solution be to simply run the files that don't yet have loudness tags through the volume analysis tool?
When running files through volume analysis, there is an option to be notified of any possible clipping when increasing the RG preamp for that operation. The problem is that you have to go through each flagged file and manually set a lesser gain for track and/or album. They also don't all move to the top so you have to scroll until you see the next one.
The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.
(https://i.imgur.com/DVjP5gH.png)
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To me it looks like that pretty much defeats the purpose of having the ReplayGain feature in a player such as MusicBee.
Wouldn't the proper solution be to simply run the files that don't yet have loudness tags through the volume analysis tool?
When running files through volume analysis, there is an option to be notified of any possible clipping when increasing the RG preamp for that operation. The problem is that you have to go through each flagged file and manually set a lesser gain for track and/or album. They also don't all move to the top so you have to scroll until you see the next one.
The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.
(https://i.imgur.com/DVjP5gH.png)
+1
I have even asked about smart playlist to add eq presets or dsp or vst , it will be amazing , there are many users that like to play with foobar2000 just because they can do with it
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You know, while I completely understand the purpose and the popularity of "ReplyGain," the ongoing "obsession" with it in forums (like anything to do with Playlist manipulating) makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore, adjusting the volume control to suit their mood of the moment. I confess to being one of those old sticks-in-the-mud who has never used RG even once, yet can either blow out the walls or lapse ethereal with the best of 'em. Just some whimsy, probably not 100% right, best ignored..
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You know, while I completely understand the purpose and the popularity of "ReplyGain," the ongoing "obsession" with it in forums (like anything to do with Playlist manipulating) makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore, adjusting the volume control to suit their mood of the moment. I confess to being one of those old sticks-in-the-mud who has never used RG even once, yet can either blow out the walls or lapse ethereal with the best of 'em. Just some whimsy, probably best ignored..
hi
some albums are recored and it does clip , clipping "sorry my native language is not english" and replay can help it a lot
can I ask you when you have some clipping albums what do you do? Some vst or lower the volume ?
thanks
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...makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore...
ME!!!
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The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.
Are you saying that foobar2000 can reduce the volume at the playback stage depending on the chances of a track clipping?
The reason why I have doubts about having a feature that will en- or disable the pre-amp depending on the presence of ReplayGain tags is this:
One part of the songs in my library has positive ReplayGain values, while the other part has a negative ReplayGain values.
So for me it doesn't make sense to have the pre-amp only being enabled for tracks with ReplayGain tags.
It would drive many of my tracks into the danger zone of clipping.
It may be good to be more clear about if this wishlist topic is about the 'analyse and write ReplayGain tags' stage, or about the playback stage.
I'm pretty sure there already is another and more active wishlist topic on writing RG values and having them as 'loud' as possible without the chance of the tracks clipping.
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You know, while I completely understand the purpose and the popularity of "ReplyGain," the ongoing "obsession" with it in forums (like anything to do with Playlist manipulating) makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore, ...
For me it's not an obsession, but a perfect medicine for preventing heart attacks.
My music library is pretty versatile, containing 'soft' classical, 'sophisticated' pop, 'loud' electronic music, 'heavy' metal, etc. etc.
And the mastering (loudness) of these recordings will also often differ a lot.
Sometimes I like to play such genres shuffled.
A nocturne by Chopin can then be followed up by a Deafheaven track.
Without ReplaGain my eardrums, my speakers, and my neigbours would probably lose it ;-)
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...makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore...
ME!!!
hi
me too , i'm used to buy cds and rip them
Without ReplaGain my eardrums, my speakers, and my neigbours would probably lose it ;-)
hi
what does it mean? don't you use replaygain or do you use it?
i'm just trying to improve musicbee with some feedbacks
thanks
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hi
what does it mean? don't you use replaygain or do you use it?
Gaiastar, IMHO you worry too much about who uses what and why. Just use what YOU feel makes the music sound like you want it to sound and it's done. Me, I'm not a mood-mixer so I don't run into the issue hiccup mentioned and I tend to listen to stuff right at my PC chosen for the moment. Gives me much less to worry about. I do use a limiter/compressor VST with radio streams that can often be "all over the place" as far as levels and engineering in general. Now, back to some chillout..
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hi
what does it mean? don't you use replaygain or do you use it?
Gaiastar, IMHO you worry too much about who uses what and why. Just use what YOU feel makes the music sound like you want it to sound and it's done. Me, I'm not a mood-mixer so I don't run into the issue hiccup mentioned and I tend to listen to stuff right at my PC chosen for the moment. Gives me much less to worry about. I do use a limiter/compressor VST with radio streams that can often be "all over the place" as far as levels and engineering in general. Now, back to some chillout..
hi
may i know the name of the vst ?
I do use a limiter/compressor VST
the only think i don't like so much about musicbee is the volume , even logarithmic I can't control the "steps" , in this case i would love to have a feature like foobar "volume steps"
thanks
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hi
may i know the name of the vst ?
I do use a limiter/compressor VST
thanks
"Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly. While the website is no longer "up" it is still viewable and the plugin (which is free and unencumbered) is downloadable at the Web Archive site:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins (https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins)
Direct link to the plugin:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip (https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip)
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hi
may i know the name of the vst ?
I do use a limiter/compressor VST
thanks
"Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly. While the website is no longer "up" it is still viewable and the plugin (which is free and unencumbered) is downloadable at the Web Archive site:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins (https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins)
Direct link to the plugin:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip (https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip)
hi sveakul
i will try it , but i guess it's a Brick Wall like FabFilter Pro-L 2 and Voxengo Elephant , great vst but very expansive
i would like to try D16 Frontier and LoudMax by Thomas Mundt even i'm not a big fan of Brick Wall / Loudness Maximizer
thanks sveakul
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To me it looks like that pretty much defeats the purpose of having the ReplayGain feature in a player such as MusicBee.
Wouldn't the proper solution be to simply run the files that don't yet have loudness tags through the volume analysis tool?
When running files through volume analysis, there is an option to be notified of any possible clipping when increasing the RG preamp for that operation. The problem is that you have to go through each flagged file and manually set a lesser gain for track and/or album. They also don't all move to the top so you have to scroll until you see the next one.
The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.
(https://i.imgur.com/DVjP5gH.png)
+1
I have even asked about smart playlist to add eq presets or dsp or vst , it will be amazing , there are many users that like to play with foobar2000 just because they can do with it
I don't see the point of adding additional effects, and even to only specific songs?
You know, while I completely understand the purpose and the popularity of "ReplyGain," the ongoing "obsession" with it in forums (like anything to do with Playlist manipulating) makes me wonder if anybody just listens to a song as-recorded anymore, adjusting the volume control to suit their mood of the moment. I confess to being one of those old sticks-in-the-mud who has never used RG even once, yet can either blow out the walls or lapse ethereal with the best of 'em. Just some whimsy, probably not 100% right, best ignored..
The song does stay as-recorded, just that RG predicts when you might want to adjust the volume when there are large overall album or track gains. I still adjust volume manually but, to echo hiccup, I don't have to suddenly dive for the volume dial when shuffling, saving myself and maybe others some trauma.
The proposed solution is to be able to leave the RG tags normalized to "0dB" but still have the option of applying a specified preamp ONLY when using ReplayGain mode, while Also performing a clipping protection option to reduce the gain in such case. Fb2k already does has this feature.
Are you saying that foobar2000 can reduce the volume at the playback stage depending on the chances of a track clipping?
The reason why I have doubts about having a feature that will en- or disable the pre-amp depending on the presence of ReplayGain tags is this:
One part of the songs in my library has positive ReplayGain values, while the other part has a negative ReplayGain values.
So for me it doesn't make sense to have the pre-amp only being enabled for tracks with ReplayGain tags.
It would drive many of my tracks into the danger zone of clipping.
It may be good to be more clear about if this wishlist topic is about the 'analyse and write ReplayGain tags' stage, or about the playback stage.
I'm pretty sure there already is another and more active wishlist topic on writing RG values and having them as 'loud' as possible without the chance of the tracks clipping.
Precisely, foobar can prevent software clipping if you or RG make an oopsie.
I'm not advocating for the feature depending on the presence of ReplayGain tags but rather for when I feel like turning RG off, as I find RG makes everything too soft hence I add an overall preamp. This can cause soft clipping and so a protection feature to not allow a file to have its gain adjusted too high would be helpful. Otherwise, when I turn off RG I would like the preamp I manually set to be disabled.
I'm also going to try the old ReplayGain tagging method later to see if it is more consistent with track gain at least.
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@heroclix
I don't see the point of adding additional effects, and even to only specific songs?
there albums remastered that do need eq , there are too many high frequencies , and some amps and speakers can enfatize trebles and even more high frequencies
so I can create a smart playlist or even a playlist and set a eq preset and add in the tags some words to be include all the albums need a different eq
I think you use musicbee -> active speakers or musicbee -> dac ->active speakers ,don't you?
Precisely, foobar can prevent software clipping if you or RG make an oopsie.
i have almost the same settings but i have set pre +5.5
thanks heroclix
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@heroclix
I don't see the point of adding additional effects, and even to only specific songs?
there albums remastered that do need eq , there are too many high frequencies , and some amps and speakers can enfatize trebles and even more high frequencies
so I can create a smart playlist or even a playlist and set a eq preset and add in the tags some words to be include all the albums need a different eq
I think you use musicbee -> active speakers or musicbee -> dac ->active speakers ,don't you?
I guess it is somewhat valid in my opinion but I rather believe in reproducing the audio as transparently as possible in order to maintain the artistic intent. If it's really bad I would simply not listen.
So a system wide EQ is good for fixing inherent flaws of your gear and/or environment, but a per-track implementation is trivial to me, sorry to say.
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"Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly. While the website is no longer "up" it is still viewable and the plugin (which is free and unencumbered) is downloadable at the Web Archive site:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins (https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/plugins)
Direct link to the plugin:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip (https://web.archive.org/web/20181203014924/http://sonic.supermaailma.net/sites/default/files/download/Unlimited-VST.zip)
Hi
I have tried "Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly and LoudMax Plugin( even i can't find the official page , i guess it's blogspot dot com an the last version is LoudMax Plugin v1.45 ) , they can let play many different songs very compact
i'm looking for a reverb ,just because i like the radioparadise reverb effect , i guess they do you izotope ozone and other plugins , i have even asked but i don't think they will say it
just for compilation ,friends parties
thanks
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Hi
I have tried "Unlimited" by Sonic Anomaly and LoudMax Plugin( even i can't find the official page , i guess it's blogspot dot com an the last version is LoudMax Plugin v1.45 ) , they can let play many different songs very compact
The official page for LoudMax IS https://loudmax.blogspot.com/ (https://loudmax.blogspot.com/). I use that on occasions instead of Unlimited when I want to try adding an additonal VST (like a widener or something) because MusicBee likes to crash unless Unlimited is used solo. Actually the fact is that MB has a very "fragile" VST Host system compared to Foobar 2.x or AIMP 5.30.x which are much more robust in comparison.
Further discussion on this line needs to be moved to the General forum or the VST plugin thread.