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General => MusicBee Wishlist => Topic started by: Sarge on January 15, 2011, 02:16:38 AM
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I have used MediaMonkey since 2007 and just recently have been using and "Liking" MusicBee a lot. One feature that keeps me from totally switching to MB is the lack of a way to "lock down" the program from any changes. (like the Party Mode in MM).
I use my PC as a Jukebox and this feature is great to keep anyone from changing the settings or deleting things, but allows other people to enjoy the songs and Add to "Now Playing" etc
Great job Steven ..very functional and yet not bloated down.
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I switched to Music Bee from Media Monkey (which has a cumbersome UI for me).
Surely, the Monkey is currently a little more stable and has got some extra features compared to our Bee. However, I believe that if You just try to use the Bee for a week you won't switch to anything else! This player do has some bugs, a few things could be improved but has been developing very fast and what is more important the Author seems to listen to the users. So don't be surprised when in about a couple of weeks/months your idea will be implemented somehow, maybe in a better way compared to MM.
Just be patient, because - hard to believe but it's true - this great software is actively developed by the only ONE person!
That's why I encourage You to post your improvement suggestions and encountered bug reports here on forum. Together we could make MB much better :)
Your feedback is important for the MB development. When I entered this forum some Users helped me a lot in discovering many MB strengths.
I feel MB was developed to meet almost all user needs: it's not bloated, light on resources, very functional, highly customizable (btw, there are some really great Skins here on forum!) and all in all quite comfortable in using. MB is not only a player, it's all-in-one audio solution! :) I've got rid of some software that I have been using for years now when I discovered the functions I need are better implemented in MB.
Have a lot of fun and pleasure with MB !
Welcome to the forum :)
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Hey thanks for the Welcome... you wrote.....
"Surely, the Monkey is currently a little more stable and has got some extra features compared to our Bee."
But I disagree there..MusicBee had all the features and then some.. (straight out of the box) WITHOUT the need for added plugins or "scripts" this is what impressed me. BUT i don't want to knock MediaMonkey. Nor would i this software.
I leave my PC on almost 24/7 with access to my music and that 1 feature of being able to 'Protect" is important.
I been running this Bee A LOT now and really haven't even had a "burp" at all. I already made the decession to keep this installed and hope that some type of lockdown will be added.
Thanks again for the welcome.
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I like this one. +1
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I'll also give this a +1. I never even heard of this before, but it can be a great feature.
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But say.. you leave it open in a party, what stops the drunken fool from minimizing the locked MusicBee and messing around with the computer?
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But say.. you leave it open in a party, what stops the drunken fool from minimizing the locked MusicBee and messing around with the computer?
In MM party mode you can edit all those options,,,you can run it in full screen mode with the menu bar gone and you can disable "switching to other applications: / NO Alt=Tab /No Alt-Esc..etc.
All they can do is add to now playing..and if you choose people can sort the list...use next..etc, all that can be set thru options,
They can't Edit..or reposition anything. the only place "delete" works is in the now playing list.
You can't even access Start Button or any other programs in full screen. Plus you can configure your Navigation Panel and take out everything but your library.
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Nice! one cool feature!
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Yes, that's why I'd love to see it in MusicBee, Cuz I'm really liking this program.
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+1 for me too
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But say.. you leave it open in a party, what stops the drunken fool from minimizing the locked MusicBee and messing around with the computer?
All they can do is add to now playing..and if you choose people can sort the list...use next..etc, all that can be set thru options,
They can't Edit..or reposition anything. the only place "delete" works is in the now playing list.
I am fixing my own quote...I mis-used the word "delete" when actually they CAN'T delete anything..they can only add or REMOVE from the Now Playing..."delete function is disabled"
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i've done this for the next update - here it is if you want to try it out.
If i've missed any areas where it's not locked down please let me know.
To enable, go to View/ Main Player (Locked Down)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ii4cwc0cxotprw5
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Steven, you're the best!
Thanks !
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Thanks!!! This would've been great feature to have last year at a all-campus college party. Long story short, Rotem's hypothetical situation happened, but it involved five people and my bed...
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i've done this for the next update - here it is if you want to try it out.
If i've missed any areas where it's not locked down please let me know.
Who are you Steven ...Superman ?...this is Great thanks !
I been playing with it and it seems to fit everything needed. I notice 1 thing only and that is that you can still re-size the center panels..But that wasn't really a big concern. I like how the default takes you right to fullscreen also, that was something that was buggy in MM. This is way cool and just made my mind up to totally switch to MusicBee.
I use a older PC for Party Mode..this kicks your program to a new gear ..thanks thanks thanks.
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Steven I do notice 1 other thing..You can grab the edges of the program and resize it out of the way and expose the desktop.
Now for me that isn't a real big deal...I don't get the crazy drunks at my parties :)
But it maybe a concern for other users.
For my needs this is working really good.
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i've fixed that for the beta update
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Hi,
1) the new Locked Down Fullscreen Player (maybe this would be a more informative name for the feature ???) looks really great in MB 1.2.4034!
Thanks, Steven :)
However, I have a serious security concern. Supposing the above mentioned "drunken fool" decide to have some fun and browse Internet in Locked Down Mode.
The address bar is unlocked so one can visit ANY website including the "nasty" ones! One can even add a website to the bookmarks in order to compromise your PC security later :o If you have a good internet security suite, it will probably block most exploits, but if not - just wait for a while and party is over ;D as your system was closed by a hacker ;D
2) It would be much better if the Internet access was limited to user defined Internet Services and there was no possibility to browse Internet in Locked Down Fullscreen mode.
3) IMHO, there should be an option to disable any Internet access in Locked down mode too.
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i will lock down the address bar - that way only already bookmarked sites can be visited. However even then i guess someone can find there way from the website by clicking links on the web page, so perhaps a disable internet access option is needed as you suggest
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I was thinking about the name of the function and I think "Party View" would be the simplest and the best one.
It clearly informs when a user can take advantage of the function and is not as long as the current one nor the one I suggested above.
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What I do is prior to knowing I'm gonna use the Lockdown..I just "untick" those items in Preferences/Layout and only leave the library and playlists.
I know every user had different cases, but I have 2 systems 1 dedicated for a jukebox (always locked down), and my main system.
But I generally know beforehand when I need to Lockdown my main system, so I just "Untick" the items I mentioned above.
When I come out of lockdown, a few simple clicks and I'm back to full mode.
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I was thinking about the name of the function and I think "Party View" would be the simplest and the best one.
It clearly informs when a user can take advantage of the function and is not as long as the current one nor the one I suggested above.
+1 for "Party View" name
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Steven, in lockdown mode, if you got to Help - about, then click on the musicbee link, the taskbar appears, and you can navigate from the start menu.
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and +1 for Party View name
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My 2 cents. Consider that, for common user who aren't familiar with our forum or newbies, "Party View" name couldn't tell, for what this function is. I would choose other name, just "Lock program" or "Lock MusicBee" and "Unlock MusicBee" when program is locked.
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I can still get out of the lockdown by ctrl alt del and then starting the taskmanager to do whatever i want.
When "skin window borders" is disabled the taskbar stays fully visible and usable.
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I can still get out of the lockdown by ctrl alt del and then starting the taskmanager to do whatever i want.
When "skin window borders" is disabled the taskbar stays fully visible and usable.
someone who is really determined could just turn the computer off and on. I was reluctant to disable ctrl-alt-del in case MB hung or something but i guess i could add it an option. And thanks for letting me know about the borders option - i will look to fix that later
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I'm totally pleased with how the Lockdown is currently working, It's real intention is just to prevent people from messing your tags or mistakingly re-tagging them deleting them etc.
If you have people that are that malicious in your home..You need to Lockdown those people.
Without this there is NO protect, with what Steven did we now have some safeguard and still can allow a friend or guests to enjoy your music library. I disable all the other features manually prior to locking down, if someone was malicious enough to shut my pc down or ctrl alt delete...his/her ass is shown to the door.
Thanks again Steven it's working great I used it over the weekend..People loved it.
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^This. I would make the ctrl-alt-del an option, but that's about it. Anything further then that person shouldn't be near your computer in the first place.
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Seems to me that the lockdown feature is pretty much what most of us need. Expecting a music program to totally protect your system is a bit of a tall order, if you are that paranoid or have that many horrible friends the best thing to do (for windows at least) is to set up a new account for parties and then use account control to set the age of the user as 3, ban the internet and remove acces to ALL program but musicbee. After that you could remove the router cable and keyboard and hide those! ;)
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i've fixed the bug with non-skinned window borders
and locked the location bar
http://www.mediafire.com/?e6gxcamdud4zdzl
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Testing the new build and it seems all the concerns mentioned above are gone. Thanks, Steven for the great work :)
I'd include disabling "ctrl+alt+del" as an option, as it was suggested.
Consider simplify the function name: if not "Party View", maybe "Locked View" would be better ???
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i was reluctant to use Party View as that implies just the one use for this function when i can imagine some people might want to use it once they have their library sorted out and only want to use the player functions.
For the ctrl-alt-del its not just a simple case of trapping the keys and i havent found a straight-forward way to do it (apart from putting a registry entry to disable the task manager but i dont like that sort of thing as if MB crashed it would leave a permanent change)
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In locked fullscreen mode with native window borders the window can be moved aside by dragging the titlebar. Maybe just force skinned borders for lock mode...
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I like the feature "as is" I don't think a need to disable Ctrl-Alt-Delete is necessary, Like Steven Mentioned, the need may arise for the task manager.
And Also I think calling it "Lockdown...or any variation of that..just challenges the idiots. The mentality of.."OK let's see how good it's locked".
How about something like "Play Only View" ..or "Playlist Only"
This also would not encourage someone to try and ' UNLOCK" anything
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In locked fullscreen mode with native window borders the window can be moved aside by dragging the titlebar. Maybe just force skinned borders for lock mode...
thats fixed for the next update
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Steven,
the problem with native window borders is still present in MB 1.2.4039.
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how are you moving the window?
i cant move it now using the mouse to drag the caption bar when its locked on fullscreen
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I can move it with mouse using the top window border, when moved I can even decrease the window with the side borders too.
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i might have to admit default on this as i realise now the solution i did will only work for XP
i'll see what i can do
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Perhaps set Skin Window Borders enabled in Locked View ???
Works for me on Win7 64 bit.
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figured out how to do it for vista/win7
http://www.mediafire.com/?lp9jz73vj8hm41h
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The last one fix works for me on Windows 7 64 bit. Thanks :)
Let's hope the feature implementation has been completed yet.
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Let's hope the feature implementation has been completed yet.
i dont understand what you mean. The functionality is completed for what i intend to do for now
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"The functionality is completed" - I'm glad to hear that :)
It's perfect for me, so I hoped it won't be more issues and bugs.
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Steven, thank you very much for the "disable web access option" in MB 1.2.4040 :)
I'd mention that if you lock the player with this option enabled while using any of the internet websites in main panel, the lock won't work for the links at the website. Furthermore, if you lock the player while browsing the Upcoming Releases service, not only the links on the website will be active, but you can also use all the Internet services available from the Playing Artist info bar (i. e. Last.fm, Wikipedia, local Wikipedia, YouTube and All Music - if the last one is enabled in the preferences; I wouldn't recommend to use the AllMusic as it doesn't work until you enter the artist name into the search box manually).
I wouldn't call it a bug, I just want to make sure you know about it.