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Title: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 21, 2017, 11:30:59 PM
Why is MB deleting the folder.jpg from my music folders everytime I change info using the tag editor. This happens if I change any tags for the entire album (artist, genre etc...). I haven't even changed anything using the artwork editor. Now I'm missing countless files. Why is this happening?


*edit: no longer missing - I found them all in the recycle bin. Still would like to know why MB is doing this.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: psychoadept on February 21, 2017, 11:36:03 PM
What are your artwork settings in tags (1) preferences?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 22, 2017, 12:04:24 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/4NhfDvfl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/4NhfDvf.png)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 22, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
I have tried removing the folder entries in the preferences.
(http://i.imgur.com/90TdCp3l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/90TdCp3.png)


Still same problem. Also, this doesn't happen to every album and I cant figure out why it does for some and not others. Can anyone think of why MB would be removing these files from my drive?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 22, 2017, 01:52:23 PM
I'm confused by MB behavior when adding files to the library. In this example, I added 5 files from 1 album to the library. Each file has the same embedded album cover, There is also a folder.jpg in the album folder, which I have not selected/added to the library. It is a different picture.
(http://i.imgur.com/PRW8FCVl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PRW8FCV.png)

Now in MB you can see that the folder.jpg has been automatically added. Why is this happening? Could this be related to the deleting behavior?
(http://i.imgur.com/xrN50DDl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/xrN50DD.png)

Now if I make a change to the tags (in this case the genre) for those 5 files, the folder.jpg is deleted.
(http://i.imgur.com/eZaY82Ul.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/eZaY82U.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/bbaONS6l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/bbaONS6.png)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 22, 2017, 03:09:10 PM
Current settings (only display embedded artwork):
(http://i.imgur.com/w4owlBjl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4owlBj.png)

This shows the embedded art for these 4 files:
(http://i.imgur.com/1PwOxtul.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1PwOxtu.png)

There is also a folder.jpg in the folder which is different from the embedded art:
(http://i.imgur.com/stEtjBKl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/stEtjBK.png)

After importing the 4 tracks to MB, only the folder.jpg is shown, the embedd art is not displayed at all. This is the opposite behavior from the settings:
(http://i.imgur.com/jcneQ5vl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jcneQ5v.png)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: psychoadept on February 22, 2017, 03:59:28 PM
Is there anything in your error log that might be related?

I'm wondering if there's some kind of conflict with Windows.  folder.jpg is the file WMP uses.  Does this happen if you switch to a different file name, like cover.jpg?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 22, 2017, 04:48:22 PM
You mean windows error/event log? i didn't find anything in there. Cover.jpg stays in the folder no problem. So does folder.png. Only the folder.jpg gets deleted, and only if changes are made to the entire album.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: psychoadept on February 22, 2017, 05:05:53 PM
You mean windows error/event log? i didn't find anything in there. Cover.jpg stays in the folder no problem. So does folder.png. Only the folder.jpg gets deleted, and only if changes are made to the entire album.

No, I mean the MusicBee error log (Help > Support > View Error Log).  I strongly suspect this is a Windows issue, not a MusicBee issue.  Check out this post, for instance: https://www.blisshq.com/music-library-management-blog/2012/02/01/removing-windows-folder-jpg-system/
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: Steven on February 22, 2017, 06:20:33 PM
the only case MB would delete a folder.jpg file is if before you start editing the folder.jpg file is referenced in the tag editor artwork panel (you can see using the "Save To..." button), and at the point you save, the picture no longer references folder.jpg.
In that case as long as no other music files in the library reference the same folder.jpf file then MB would prompt for the file to be deleted
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 23, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
No errors in the log. I really dont think this is a windows issue. There is no prompt, file just gets deleted. What about the other behavior I posted about (wrong pictures being imported)? why does MB display 2 pictures in the tag editor after importing the files?
(http://i.imgur.com/h36rIzel.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/h36rIze.png)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: sleepless on February 23, 2017, 05:27:50 PM
So it appears that the bottom artwork refers to the folder.jpg. WHY IS IT BEING DISPLAYED HERE IF I ONLY HAVE EMBEDDED ART SELECTED IN THE PREFERENCES?
(http://i.imgur.com/YKqSEKhl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YKqSEKh.png)

If I check the bottom box, MB auto checks both top/bottoms boxes. With the boxes checked, MB no longer deletes the files. So I'm guessing there is a problem with how MB is importing the artwork to begin with.
So the only way I can prevent the deleting is to check the boxes every time I want to make a change? That makes no sense.

Why is the folder.jpg displayed in the editor?
Why are the boxes unchecked?
Why do I get no prompt for the deletion of the file?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: Steven on February 23, 2017, 06:48:03 PM
i cant reproduce any of the behaviour you describe using v3.1. Importing a music track doesnt import the folder.jpg file if folder.jpg is not configured in the Tags(1)/artwork storage/ "set which pictures are displayed" panel.
And when editing tags, looking at all the code I see that if you have auto-organise enabled, edit a tag that causes the organised file folder to change eg. change the album name, then MB will copy the folder.jpg file to the new folder and delete the old one to the recycle bin without prompt. But thats exactly as intended and the new folder has the copied folder.jpg file.

The only thing ticking the "artwork:" checkbox does is force MB to reset the pictures to those displayed in the tag editor when each file is saved. If thats not done, then MB should not touch the pictures for each file.

I dont think i will spend any more time on this
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on December 03, 2017, 05:44:08 AM
i cant reproduce any of the behaviour you describe using v3.1. ....... I dont think i will spend any more time on this

Well THAT really builds confidence.
I have complained about this type of issue for over a YEAR now, it has NOT been addressed nor corrected. My portion of the issue does not deal with the deletion of the 'Folder.jpg' - just the complete disregard of it. Of nearly 20,000 .mp3 files separated into only 12 folders, which are also named as the 'Groups/ing' - I only have 12 'Folder.jpg' files which are the generic picture I WANT to use for describing all the contents of that folder/Group {Secular, Oldies, Christmas, Swing, Reggae ... and so on} inside each folder, each song has it's own artwork associated with that song. Whenever I edit a new or old mp3, THE FOLDER THEN TAKES ON THE JPG OF THE NEW MP3 AND DISREGARDS THE 'Folder.jpg' and it doesn't seem to make any difference if I edit the tag artwork with MB or with some other means - even if MB is not open and running.
You really NEED {should} to address this issue as apparently nearly 1200 people are experiencing it is some fashion.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: Freddy Barker on December 03, 2017, 02:03:05 PM
You really NEED {should} to address this issue as apparently nearly 1200 people are experiencing it is some fashion.

I'm not usually the diplomatic type, but that's probably not the best comment I've seen if you're expecting any help!

Just saying!  ;) 
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: phred on December 03, 2017, 03:37:52 PM
I'm not usually the diplomatic type, but that's probably not the best comment I've seen if you're expecting any help!
Exactly! If you want help, don't be so demanding.

In addition, where are you getting your "1200 people" experiencing this problem? The OP posted back in February and not a single person stepped forward saying they had the same issue. For the record, I've been using MB since 2009 and never saw the behavior you described.

Steven stated in this thread that he can't reproduce the behavior. If he can't see it, he can't fix it.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on December 04, 2017, 03:55:06 AM
I have asked, and posted, about this issue for over a YEAR now, in several different areas here.... yours was the first response I have ever received.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on December 04, 2017, 03:59:23 AM
Do you really think people that are NOT experiencing the problem - ARE reading about the problem ???
1200 VIEWS of the problem... those are unique, not repeat views.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: frankz on December 04, 2017, 06:41:31 AM
I am not experiencing the problem.

I have read about the problem.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on December 04, 2017, 07:18:19 AM
Alas, a singular man of few words ...
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: phred on December 04, 2017, 12:16:25 PM
1200 views does not translate to 1200 users experiencing the problem. It simply means the thread was looked at 1200 times. I read many (if not all) threads. Does that translate into my having every issue posted? Of course not. As frankz indicates, just because he's read about the problem, doesn't mean he's experiencing it.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: psychoadept on December 04, 2017, 04:07:23 PM
Also, many of those "views" are probably search bots.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on December 04, 2017, 06:46:18 PM
Search "bots" do not translate to "views".
And by phred's logic, there must only be myself and maybe 1 or 2 others that are experiencing this type of issue, and 1000 times that many that are just lurkers.
Yet when one does several searches regarding "folder.jpeg" or "folder.jpg" or "album art" or several other terms that are pertinent, you will find dozens and dozens of unique original posters, with over 7000 views total, describing the same type issue =
MB replacing the chosen folders preferred "folder.jpg art" with that of a newly edited .mp3's "art" , and in my case I noticed it chooses an alphanumerically superiorly named file of whose art to use... when deleting THAT .mp3's art, only then does the folder revert back to the "correct" folder.jpg, until I open the App again and it starts all over, if I delete the offending .mp3, MB then moves onto the next in line... in every one of my folders (only 12 thank GOD). My Header menu can be set to either Folder or Grouping {which for me are the same} THIS is where I am viewing the wrong "Folder Art"

Now, I have read the only TWO suggestions offered in all the posts and comments {"Edit/Prefs?Tag(1)-Artwork Storage" My only checkbox is in "Embed",,, and my order only includes "Folder.jpg" and "Embeded" - and it makes no difference which is first.

I also use a server named "Subsonic" to listen to my library when not at home... (it does not use or affect MB, and I do not use a remote for MB) on my Android phone or any other platform I have tried - and it CORRECTLY identifies the 12 folders art regardless of how many mp3 are added or edited or when or by what means. Most all my mp3's have "embeded" art to show when they are playing, if they don't, then and only then do they CORRECTLY utilize the "folder.jpg" for art. The way it should be. The way it is expected.

Bottom line is: If there is a "Folder.jpg" in a folder - and there should only be 1 - that should be that Folders' Art - PERIOD.

And that is all I am asking for help to figure out, either a setting somewhere {I doubt} or fix the glitch.


My MB version: 3.1.6466
HP Envy:AMDfx8800p:WinX1703
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 29, 2019, 10:06:10 PM
Soo, almost 2 years and NO other responses to my query.
Maybe my original "subject line" doesn't correctly represent what is happening... MB does't "delete" the directory's "folder.jpg" it just shows an incorrect one based on whatever newly added/edited .mp3 is in the directory, alphabetically the first, usually a number, as in "38 Special - Stone Cold Believer.mp3"
New Computer, Win10-1703 build, newest MB Version 3.2.6902, and the same shit is still going on. I've linked to a MB screengrab to show the problem for the uninitiated. http://www.i-zoe.com/MBscreengrab.jpg (http://www.i-zoe.com/MBscreengrab.jpg)
and a Directory screengrab for the same reason ... http://www.i-zoe.com/OSscreengrab.jpg (http://www.i-zoe.com/OSscreengrab.jpg)
If I EDIT that .mp3 and remove the embedded ART then MB will show the correct "folder.jpg" for the directory, as all the other directories can be seen. And it doesn't matter what manner of editor I use to TAG, MB, TagScanner, Brainz, or even just get Properties in Windows and edit tag info there, same results in MB.

And the MBremote on Android does NOT show the embedded ART for every individual song as they are played - ONLY the containing Directory's "folder.jpg" - so, same freaking issue still apparent there too.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 29, 2019, 11:02:27 PM
My Header menu can be set to either Folder or Grouping {which for me are the same} THIS is where I am viewing the wrong "Folder Art"

If I understand correctly, you're referring to the artwork for thumbnail browser, not album artwork, correct?

I'd suggest you use Grouping instead of Folder since there is a support for grouping icon.

For the next v3.2 update i have added support for loading icons for: Grouping; Genre and Genre Category in the music explorer filter panel and header. The images should be square and at least 125px in size, but will be cropped to a circle in the header bar

As part of doing this, the custom Artwork location now defaults to:
- [root music folder]\MusicBee\Artwork\Artist Pictures
- [root music folder]\MusicBee\Artwork\Artist Pictures\Thumb
- [root music folder]\MusicBee\Artwork\Grouping Icons
- [root music folder]\MusicBee\Artwork\Soundtrack Pictures

There was support for genre icons in the thumb browser that used to look in [musicbee installation folder]\icons\Genre.
Those icons have been moved to:
- [root music folder]\MusicBee\Artwork\Grouping Icons

The artist and soundtrack folders are only reorganised if you are using default settings and will be reorganised automatically. You can still override the locations for artist pictures and soundtrack pictures in the Tags(1) preferences

So first change the category of the thumbnail browser to Grouping.
Now you only need to copy each of your grouping picture and then use "Paste Artwork" context menu over the thumbnail for each grouping item in thumbnail browser. Then it will always show the same picture for each grouping item.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: phred on May 29, 2019, 11:04:01 PM
Soo, almost 2 years and NO other responses to my query.
...
newest MB Version 3.2.6902, and the same shit is still going on.
Again, you're still coming on a little too strong to gain any respect here. Two years with no response pretty much means what you were told two years ago - the issue you're experiencing isn't being seen by others.

Also, 3.2 isn't the newest version, having been released last November. MB is up to 3.3.7086 and RC1 was just released a day or two ago.

Try it and see if your problem is fixed. And if it isn't don't come back and post with an attitude. That will just result in you being ignored.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: captain_paranoia on May 29, 2019, 11:07:55 PM
Of nearly 20,000 .mp3 files separated into only 12 folders, which are also named as the 'Groups/ing' - I only have 12 'Folder.jpg' files which are the generic picture I WANT to use for describing all the contents of that folder/Group {Secular, Oldies, Christmas, Swing, Reggae ... and so on} inside each folder, each song has it's own artwork associated with that song. Whenever I edit a new or old mp3, THE FOLDER THEN TAKES ON THE JPG OF THE NEW MP3 AND DISREGARDS THE 'Folder.jpg' and it doesn't seem to make any difference if I edit the tag artwork with MB or with some other means - even if MB is not open and running.

Let me get this straight: you have 20000 files in just 12 folders, with no album artist/album hierarchy below them? That's unusual.

I note you have MB set to save artwork as folder.jpg, so it will override the existing folder.jpg if you edit the artwork of any one track.

I also note that you say edits completely outside of MB also cause the problem. This suggests very strongly that MB is not the problem, or, at least, it is not the only problem.

In two years, no-one has reported the same problem. This suggests it is something unique to you, your settings, and your use of MB. Your unusual file structure and settings for saving folder.jpg may be the problem.

I notice that in two years, this problem doesn't seem to have caused you to stop using MB and find another media player. Maybe you would find one that works better for you.

Above all, I note a lot of demands being made on the developer of a piece of free software, written by someone in his spare time, and given to you freely.

As for your idea of "views=individuals with the same problem", that's not how a user support forum works; users read threads from people asking questions, and try to answer them, trying to be nice and helpful. It doesn't mean every reader has that problem. If only people with the problem read the thread, you would get no solutions until one of you blundered across the solution. Again, there isn't a huge corporation behind MB, with a team of advisors sitting waiting to provide support; there's just one person, developing in his spare time, plus a large user community who answer most questions in the same sharing spirit.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: phred on May 29, 2019, 11:17:14 PM
@captain_paranoia-

Well said and nicely done.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: deraudrl on May 30, 2019, 02:05:10 AM
I note you have MB set to save artwork as folder.jpg, so it will override the existing folder.jpg if you edit the artwork of any one track.
Not sure he even needs to do an edit: won't that happen even if he just adds a new track?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 01:03:25 AM
Cool, and Thank You, finally some useful responses and suggestions.
I'm 54 years old, Retired/Disabled USARMY Vet and CTO of a Networking Company, and the Owner of a Gunshop. I really don't have time to worry about NOT hurting some snowflakes feelings about a piece of software I have loved and used for years and have OFFERED to PAY to get my problem rectified.
My simple problem is/was {embedded} "album art" related while also being OS directory system related.
It IS a MB issue, somehow, and I have proven that now, after hours of pissing with it, and losing over 2000 of embedded art tags.

Yes, it happened every time I added a new .mp3 file AND edited it to add tags and ART to the file with MB... if I just added the file and didn't edit it, and just played it, all the folders stayed correct  within MB.

As anyone can clearly see in the pic I shared above, I don't have entire albums of each Artist, sometimes only 1 song from an Artist is common and NOT UNUSUAL for most casual users.... so NO, I do not have each Artist in their own folder within the structure of Library...and the App should NOT and really does not care. http://www.i-zoe.com/MBsettings-art.jpg (http://www.i-zoe.com/MBsettings-art.jpg) and http://www.i-zoe.com/MBsettings-song.jpg (http://www.i-zoe.com/MBsettings-song.jpg) CLEARLY show that I do NOT have my settings configured such as Captain-paranoia misunderstood above.

Now, it is PAINFULLY apparent to me the parameters of the Ownership and Technical Support issues of the Owner, of whom I am EXTREMELY GRATEFUL for ALL his efforts and THIS FABULOUS piece of Software, but, even Microsoft {or especially Microsoft}, has minor bugs and hiccups in their flagship software with a grandiose team of Developers and Programmers, and I'm also painfully so, aware of how the "user support" forums seem to work... I understand that there is no "1 for 1" relationship of views to experience of issue, but COME ON, all those views and NO ONE else has the issue? My take on that is that most users would not even notice this as an issue BECAUSE of how they might have their directory structured - as in "seperate folders for each Artist".

All THIS to say, I think I have pinpointed the causation of my frustration.
The "Save" button on the Edit screen.
If I don't click on the "Save" button, it doesn't cause the issue, but still saves the changes including the Artwork. Weird, I know.

Something else I noticed, maybe a feature of only MB, or not, but MB allows/shows more than 1 pic for each song, 3 to my count, and I also know that a feature of ID3v2.3 allows for about 17 pictures detailing various items of worth relating to the Artist or the Production etc.etc...
And by the way, I think ALL the "scroll bars" need to be wider or more contrasted to the rest of the theme... but I digress....

So, I went and selected "All" and edited the artwork to select "nothing" as the associated pic. Went back in and edited 1 file to add back in the Artwork, clicked "Save", and the bitch did it again. So I moved ALL the songs from that directory, to another newly created one on a different drive on a remote server. Then I went and edited a different song with a different software and put it back into the directory for MB... and VIOLA, it stayed correct. So I did the same for about 15 other songs, from all different Artists, moved them back into the MB directory, and they stayed correct. so I put 10 more un-re-edited songs back into MB and it still stayed correct. Then I tried editing 1 song in MB, clicked "Save" and it screwed the pooch again. So I deleted that song, and it went back to correct... weird I thought... So I just tried one more, in deep frustration at 4am, half asleep, and I forgot to click the "Save" button before moving to the next song, and it stayed correct, which I also thought was weird... so I did about 100 more - ALL with out clicking the "Save" button.

Everything is well now. I will NEVER add more than the 1 pic embedded in a song. So now I have the correct "Album" art AND the correct "Song" art, for my purposes anyway. I have created a script to automatically select the "Next" button in the player every 6 seconds so it will add the Lyrics to all the songs by it self now. 10 songs a minute is not that bad. 60 songs an hour. 1440 songs in 24 hours. It'll be done by the weekend.

So, WTFFFS is up with that "Save" function ??

For the LOVE of GOD and ALL that is HOLY, please tell me, or just get it fixed... I'll pay, honestly !!!
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 02:16:19 AM
By the way, I have collaborated with the Developer/Programmers from several pieces of software that I utilize and promote. Quite extensively. Personal email and phone number extensive like. Important software, like a database, including pictures, for Firearms, you would not believe how much data 1 gun can be encumbered with... he started in Windows98, thats how long. Software such as "Universal Media Server" and "e-Sword" {for both Desktop and mobile}. I'm also paid by Amazon as an "Interface Specialist" for their main GUI Team.

So I pretty much know how software is SUPPOSED to work vs how it actually works. Junk code, or "leftovers" left in are 90% of the problem. Microsoft is NOTORIOUS for this... which is part of why they switched from local disk user installed to cloud server-side based for their flagship products.

Undocumented functionality is NOT a good thing. It's not funny, it's not helpful. So when someone points out a glitch in the App, the Programmer should pay attention, if they really care about the App. Or sell it off to someone who would/does. It's NOT a personal thing, so no one should take it that way. It's just good business.

This is HANDS DOWN the most excellent software of this type. IMHO, it is only lacking therin a background "server" component, {so the App doesn't have to be running for the Remote App to play songs} ... and better technical support.

Having a huge user-base is a GREAT thing and even better is when the bulk of them are as willing as most all of the contributors here are... that being said, the MOST they could possible help out with is verifying an issue, or helping out with settings and preferences.

Direct communication with the person/team who can actually make a change is ESSENTIAL.

Offer made.

So, how many of you snowflakes are willing to cough up $20, or $15, or $10 a year to get better support ???
And if, say, only 10% of the main users did pay up, and Steve got a deposit of say, $2500 all of a sudden this week, don't you think he might be persuaded to sit down and devote some real time to addressing the top 3 or 5 or 10 issues people say they have ???
How about if, say, HALF of ALL the Users of MusicBee sent in just $10 dollars ... just from Cnet that's 86,249 users. I think Steven might consider giving up his day job, kick the kids, wife and dog out of the house and really get to work on this and other Apps he has. imho.

My $10 bucks alone is not going to change anything. Of course I would pay way more, I'm just sayin'.

How about $49.99 for LIFETIME License and Support from only 10% ... that might make a difference.



Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: phred on May 31, 2019, 02:29:08 AM
First off, I do not speak for Steven. Either he will respond to this rant, or he won't.

That being said, Steven is not doing MB for the money, so I think you're wasting your time. Steven's development of MB is a hobby. He ENJOYS developing and maintaining it. When it no longer provides enjoyment for him, he'll either open source it, or kill it. He's pretty much said this in the past.

I still contend that you are very wrong assuming hundreds of users are experiencing the issue you are. If that many people have the same issue, why aren't they posting about it?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 02:47:41 AM
@MTOakey;

You don't seem to have read my reply, but I already suggested the solution.
Your issue is entirely based on your misunderstanding. Thumbnail browser with folder name category selected simply shows the artwork of the first song. It never reads folder.jpg and there's no setting that can control what picture to show. The artwork settings in Preferences are only related to album artwork.
So read my reply again.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 04:31:35 AM
I think ALL the "scroll bars" need to be wider

Open the skin xml file you're using with a text editor.
If you add the following code, you will get the thickest scrollbar MB can offer:

Code
<element id="ScrollBarMargin">0</element>
<element id="ScrollPanelMargin">0</element>
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: jasongnome on May 31, 2019, 04:55:21 AM
Do you really think people that are NOT experiencing the problem - ARE reading about the problem ???
1200 VIEWS of the problem... those are unique, not repeat views.

I've viewed this thread, but don't have the problem, does that make it 1199 people?

Oh hang, on I saw someone else in this thread say they've never experienced it either, 1198...

...do you see the flaw in your logic yet?

People view threads here out of interest, or to see if they can help, unique thread views do not equate to the number of people who have that problem.

So, let's look at MusicBee itself. MusicBee is developed by ONE person and it's totally free. That ONE person puts a huge amount of effort into improving it constantly, answering questions, acting swiftly on people's reports and adding requested features.

I've been using MusicBee for three years now, and in that time Stephen has looked into and fixed minor errors I was having, added one or two things to the app that I requested and been helpful and courteous in every dealing I've had with him.

Try and get that level of service from ANY paid software. In this case, he's looked at the problem, can't reproduce it and therefore can't spend any more time on it, perfectly reasonable. What do you want him to do, spend ALL his time on a problem he can't reproduce?

Now, as to this problem, I've never experienced it with MusicBee either, but I DID experience it, and many other problems with files being moved or deleted, tags being altered no matter how many times I turned that setting off etc etc etc when I was using Windows Media Player (WMP). Unless you deactivate it WMP works in the background ALL the time moving everything to where Microsoft programmers want it, rather than where you want it. My advice would be to look in WMP settings and make sure that the folder it uses for it's library is one where you don't actually store any of your music files. That alone may solve the problem.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 05:34:52 AM
Thank You for your input redwing but, I have already proven that theory wrong, and I have read your reply, and Thanked you for it. When I switched to "Grouping" it also messed up the order of presentation AND the thumbnails. I'm staying with "Folder" as it is easy enough to customize Windows folders using both .ico and folder.jpg and as long as MB presents the correct pic - I'm happy ...

By removing ALL files from the folder, and choosing "Folder name" in the Header menu bar, one sees a stylized triangle with dots on the joints ... = ... No "folder.jpg" in the directory.
If I put ANY other *.jpg in the folder, one still sees the "no files" triangle... WHEN I put a file named "Folder.jpg" in the folder - and it is a picture - THEN it automatically shows up in that "thumbnail browser column" - hence the "Album art" for that folder, not for any song that is not there. One does not have to tell MB this, it just does it. When/IF I put a song in the folder AND edit it in MB THEN the thumbnail changes to that of the song and no longer that of the folder... but ONLY if I edit it in MB, NOT if I edit it in other apps.

I realize mine is just 1 of possibly 100 differing configurations for viewing songs in MB, and I also realize that Steven mentioned HE couldn't replicate the issue back then... maybe NOW with new data and explanation HE might be able to replicate the issue, maybe not.

Maybe it's just me. Laws of Probability alone suggest that Unlikely.

I have discovered an easy work around and I'm just saying that the issue exists whether or not anyone else mentioned it.

I have roughly 1,960,xxx folders on my 4Tb C: drive and not a problem with any of them EXCEPT the ones {presented} INSIDE of MB. I have customized several hundred I'm sure and they all show correctly all the time.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 05:35:56 AM
redwing, THANK YOU for that code, that is EXACTLY what my tired old eyes needed !!!
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 05:52:20 AM
LoL jasongnome, I stand corrected on the numbers then ;-)

I never meant 100%, but certainly not 0% either...

I know I registered my copy almost a year after I downloaded it, because I need to learn to type faster all around. So I have been using MB since Windows 7, I believe, almost 5 years maybe.

And THANK YOU for the info on WMP, I don't have that installed on my drive, and I have never experienced this "file moving issue" you speak of. I do know the M$ changed where they/IT wants to KEEP user serviceable files, and when an UPGRADE is applied, it then moves files from to old location to the new location,,, but it's NEVER going to have the permission to move audio files or picture files from a Directory I have put them in to some other.

I also have NO Apple software on my drives - at all - ever - never.

I just checked, with 5 servers operating, Chrome Browser, MB and TagScanner, Komposer, Notepad++ and Filezilla open, 37 tabs in Chrome and Gmail always open, my disk access is only 1%, CPU is only 7%, so there is nothing going on in the background that I am aware of, certainly nothing I have ever noticed anyway, certainly NONE of my files have ever been moved from where I put them... ever.

I REALLY need to learn to type faster.


Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: frankz on May 31, 2019, 06:00:29 AM
I've viewed this thread, but don't have the problem, does that make it 1199 people?

Oh hang, on I saw someone else in this thread say they've never experienced it either, 1198...
OMG thread views are at 3389 now it's an epidemic MB is melting down everyone's artwork!  ;D
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 06:08:16 AM
WHEN I put a file named "Folder.jpg" in the folder - and it is a picture - THEN it automatically shows up in that "thumbnail browser column" - hence the "Album art" for that folder, not for any song that is not there.

Right. It shows "folder.jpg" in the folder but only when there are some music files in the folder.

When/IF I put a song in the folder AND edit it in MB THEN the thumbnail changes to that of the song and no longer that of the folder

I can't replicate this. Any conditions for the new track? And what if the track only contains an embedded artwork?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 08:16:24 AM
frankz - hilarious.

but it also proves my point, because since the original post, there have certainly NOT been an additional 2,189 CONTRIBUTING Users here on this Forum, so clearly at least SOME of them have SOME kind of issue with "folder.jg" art... not everyone is going to post just to say "I've got the same problem..." but they will be looking for any advice on how to fix whatever problem they do have ...
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 08:35:54 AM
redwing,

1.) ONLY "folder.jpg" that actually is a picture {any other file just renamed to folder.jpg does nothing to MB} and even when it is the ONLY file in that directory. No music file necessary.

2.) I really can't pinpoint anything different or unusual about any of the music files, most when downloaded have no tags at all. But, like I mentioned above, if I tag & embed using a different App, no problems for me. If I tag in MB, no problems for me. If I embed in MB and click "Save" is where the problem jumps out and bites me on the nose. {would have used a different part of anatomy, but don't want to get chastised anymore.} ;-)

When I say "tag in MB" I mean either me entering the info directly in the "Tracks display" spreadsheet style window, per song... or using the "Edit" popup window "Auto-tag" function and clicking the "Save" button {not touching artwork}.

This is a very weird and specific bug, and there is every chance it is only my copy on my computer. I have WAY too much going on that could possibly interfere with MB, maybe.

Thanks for checking though.


Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 08:52:02 AM
Can you post a screenshot of your library settings (Preferences> Library)?
Also I recommend you update to the latest v3.3 as many bugs have been fixed.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 09:02:11 AM
redwing, Sure. http://www.i-zoe.com/MBscreengrab-LibraryPrefs.jpg (http://www.i-zoe.com/MBscreengrab-LibraryPrefs.jpg)

When I go here https://getmusicbee.com/downloads/ (https://getmusicbee.com/downloads/), it states I have the newest version {same as download}

Where might I acquire v3.3 ... inquiring minds might query... ?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 09:08:58 AM
Here: https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=27074.msg159984#msg159984

Or just apply the patch for now and then later install v3.3 when the official version is released:

https://getmusicbee.com/patches/MusicBee33_Patched.zip (unzip and overwrite existing files in your MB program folder)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 09:20:02 AM
If you have folder.jpg and only one mp3 file with an embedded artwork (which is different from folder.jpg) in a folder, then what picture does the folder show for you?

I think you will see the embedded artwork because your artwork retrieval settings put embedded over folder.jpg.

Now go to the settings (Preferences> Tags (1)> Edit List) and put folder.jpg first and click on "Rescan Artwork" button.
Then the folder will now show folder.jpg instead.

It's not because the thumbnail browser reads folder.jpg but as I said it simply shows the primary artwork of the first file in the folder.

If you open artwork tab of tag editor (Edit) of the file now, you will see the order of the two artworks has changed now and it shows folder.jpg as a primary artwork. Thus the thumbnail browser now shows the picture for the folder.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
redwing, Thanks for the link for download.

If you have folder.jpg and only one mp3 file with an embedded artwork (which is different from folder.jpg) in a folder, then what picture does the folder show for you?

In that thumbnail column for my 17 directories/folders,,, it shows that embedded, and if I swap positions putting folder over embed, then every song in the folder shows the sam folder.jpg INSTEAD of their respective embedded art.

I gotta leave Embedded on top.
When I click on a song {and even when I don't}, I want to see the embedded art, the Album cover for that song...
not the custom art I have chosen for the containing folder {folder.jpg}.

It's not because the thumbnail browser reads folder.jpg but as I said it simply shows the primary artwork of the first file in the folder.

That last part is the problem, and so is the first part.

If, as all you say, a folder should only contain 1 artist/album, then that folder would have a certain picture on it, thumbnail, and then each track from that album should have a different picture for the particular song it represents. And that is all I'm doing, just that my albums have 2000 or more songs in them, each.

When "Folder name" is chosen for the organization of that column of data, then the "folder.jpg" in each folder SHOULD be what is displayed.
And each individual song SHOULD display, everywhere it shows up, the "embedded art".

That is all I'm expecting/asking.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 10:28:22 AM
Yes, I understand you want to display an embedded art for each song while showing only one picture for each folder.
But that's not possible.
Because it always shows the primary artwork of the first file in the folder, if you change sort by column say from title to artist, then the folder picture changes to the new first file's.

Best option would be using Grouping instead of Folder as I suggested before. Then it shows a unique picture for each grouping item while showing embedded artwork for each song.

If you have to use Folder, then you could place a dummy mp3 file with a folder picture embedded in each folder solely for displaying folder thumb. Then name the mp3 file properly so that it will be a first file in the folder by your usual sort by setting.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on May 31, 2019, 10:50:51 AM
Au contraire mon redwing it IS possible and I have it being done on my MB. I have posted the screengrab above proving it so. My problem is that MB is making this unwanted change to the Harmony of my desires.

And as I said before if I use grouping, the EXACT opposite happens, I do see the "folder.jpg" for each folder, but then every song in that folder shows the "folder.jpg".

If you have to use Folder, then you could place a dummy mp3 file with a folder picture embedded in each folder solely for displaying folder thumb. Then name the mp3 file properly so that it will be a first file in the folder by your usual sort by setting.

Now THAT's something I hadn't thought of, that would work, it would just through off the song count... not sure how MB would handle a non-mp3 masquerading as a .mp3 .... but I could produce a bunch of multi-second .mp3's and do that just to try it out.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on May 31, 2019, 10:57:59 AM
And as I said before if I use grouping, the EXACT opposite happens, I do see the "folder.jpg" for each folder, but then every song in that folder shows the "folder.jpg".

First, you should place embedded over folder.jpg in artwork retrieval setting. Or just untick folder.jpg if you're gonna use Grouping instead. And click on "Rescan Artwork" button.
Then copy a folder picture and move your mouse over the grouping item on the thumbnail browser> right click> Paste Artwork.
It should show a unique grouping thumb and various embedded artwork for each song.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: Bizy on May 31, 2019, 01:05:06 PM
Thanks guys, for coming back to the topic ;-)
(I'm one of those guys, just rĂ©ading the post or... I thought so...  
In the mean time, Redwing has most clearly answered my question:

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Yes, I understand you want to display an embedded art for each song while showing only one picture for each folder.
But that's not possible.
Because it always shows the primary artwork of the first file in the folder, if you change sort by column say from title to artist, then the folder picture changes to the new first file's.

Best option would be using Grouping instead of Folder as I suggested before. Then it shows a unique picture for each grouping item while showing embedded artwork for each song.

If you have to use Folder, then you could place a dummy mp3 file with a folder picture embedded in each folder solely for displaying folder thumb. Then name the mp3 file properly so that it will be a first file in the folder by your usual sort by setting.

This is a clear answer to one of the things I was/am struggling with:

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I look for the cover of the original singles (and have them as primary picture, without rotation).
At the same time I would like to see the album cover in Music Explorer.

As far as I can see, that's impossible when all tracks have their own art.
The only thing I could think of up so far is:
having the album cover as primary picture in the first track.
(coz that seems to be the picture that shows up as album picture - temporary conclusion)
https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=28661.msg159499#msg159499 (https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=28661.msg159499#msg159499)

Guess, I'll use some 3s silent tracks at the beginning of some folders.
Thanks for that suggestion, Redwing.

b.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on June 01, 2019, 03:51:29 AM
Everyone, I tried 1 second and 3 second file length, didn't work, MB still chose a different real mp3 to use it's embedded art to replace my "folder.jpg" sitting in the folder.
Then I tried 7 seconds and THAT worked. I have been dumping files in there all day, rebooting MB, and even trying to edit a few songs from inside MB, and the correct {for my purposes anyway} file has not changed/remains unchanged. I named it "0Secular.mp3" but that wasn't enough... I had to completed the fraud by naming it "0Secular - A Placeholder.mp3" and tag it for Artist/Title/Album as 0Secular/A Placeholder/A Placeholder  so now, no matter how MB looks at the file, it is the very first one in the list. It works for me... but 5 years to get to this? Really?
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on June 01, 2019, 06:51:18 AM
@Steven;

I tried with a zero-byte mp3 file with an artwork embedded and MB imports it to the library, shows the artwork and everything seems working fine.
But thumbnail browser shows it as a thumb for folder name only when the folder contains just that file. If there is another real mp3 file, it ignores the zero-byte file and shows the real mp3 file's artwork instead. What needs to be done to the file for MB to show its artwork as a folder thumb even when it's with real mp3 files? (ignore tracks less than a certain size option is disabled in the library settings)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on June 01, 2019, 08:03:41 AM
redwing & Bizy, a "zero byte" file is not going to work if a 3 second real .mp3 didn't work, imho.

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE if this got fixed,,, but the use of the 7-second .mp3 works, when tagged correctly AND named correctly {also can be set to "exclude from playing - Full Ban"}...
otherwise it won't work ...  
So you'll have a real .mp3, fully tagged and named correctly, set to not ever play, and the "thumbnail viewer" as you call it, will show IT's embedded art - being the same art as what I choose for the containing folders custom icon art to begin with.

I have my "ignore tracks" set at 10k.

I would really rather that this issue just got fixed.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: redwing on June 01, 2019, 08:16:13 AM
I would really rather that this issue just got fixed.

There's nothing to fix as it's working as expected (except the zero-byte files' behavior that I don't understand).
Of course you can always post a wishlist item, but thumbnail browser's showing a first song's artwork is not a bug but a feature.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: Bizy on June 01, 2019, 05:22:57 PM
I tried a 10 sec empty file.  With embedded album art.  Banned from playing, first in row.  All other tracks have 'single art'. 
Works fine :-D

Thanks, MTOake (and others) for contributing to finding this workaround.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on June 02, 2019, 08:59:59 PM
redwing,
... but thumbnail browser's showing a first song's artwork is not a bug but a feature.

Well, maybe some people think it is a feature, but maybe it ought to/could be selectable as to showing the FOLDER ART or the first song art, when "FOLDER name" is chosen in the Header menu ... then we would NOT have to spend 5 years struggling and waiting for someone to figure it out, and someone else to mention using a 7-second blank file to trick MB to do what it ought to do in the first place, correctly. {FOLDER thumbnail browser NOT first SONG in folder thumbnail browser} otherwise, it is just an annoyance. {bug}

IF, as someone has mentioned earlier, I should have songs organized by Artist and/or Album and those "groups" should be in separate FOLDERS {representing the Albums/Artists or songs}, THEN, I would STILL EXPECT MB {or ANY other audio software} to show me the art for the FOLDER and NOT the first song in the folder, no matter how many or few songs were in said folder.

Which now brings me to the "ALL MUSIC" portion of our discussion ...
At the very top of the "FOLDER name" column is a "placeholder" named aptly enough "All". This "All" has no picture to it, save the built in one declaring that is has no picture associated with it, the infamous grayed/subdued triangle with dots on joints... when the folder containing ALL my music, and also aptly named "My Music", indeed has a "Folder.jpg" and a "folder.ico" contained within... which is ALSO different from ALL the other pictures/icons/art contained inside it.

So, all I am saying is, "IF there exists a "Folder.jpg", THEN use IT, ELSE, use (something else/first file art)" wherever the Folder is viewed". {that's actually the exact programming language that could be used, of sorts}.

That's all. Really.


Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: hiccup on June 02, 2019, 09:25:10 PM
then we would NOT have to spend 5 years waiting for someone to figure it out...

It took you 5 years to figure out (with lots of help from forum members) to get some idea what was actually bothering you with artwork and how Musicbee is handling it.
So I am not sure who you think you are speaking for when you say 'we'?

Also, most other forum members that have 5 years experience have learned that if they have valid requests or sensible suggestions, the wishlist board is  a fantastic opportunity to use for formulating a coherent request.

I challenge you to name just one company or other software product that matches it's response and speed of action.

Yes, people with attitudes like yours annoy me.
Sorry to the other members for spoiling the atmosphere.

Rant closed.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: MTOakey on June 02, 2019, 09:54:01 PM
hiccup, NO, it took me less than 30 minutes, 5 years ago, to figure out that something was wrong... it then took the 5 years for someone to POST about the suggestions one evening... and it took longer to create the file and test it then it will take to fix the bug.

No one back then ever mentioned about posting to any wishlist, and why would they, I was looking at it as a bug, and it seemed, to me anyway, those who did post were doing the same but could not reproduce it.

So Thank You, and the others who have now mentioned that, but such as Steven has already stated "(he) isn't going to waist any more time on this issue", why would I do so ???

I have ALREADY named several Companies who I work with AND respond almost immediately to bug reports and such requests. And I'll name one other who has just contracted me, LYFT, for "User Interface Analyst", they of course do have a very large team of Programmers, so it's kinda like apples and oranges there.

Sorry {not really} if my Military attitude of "If you are going to do something, do it right, the first time, or make it right as soon as possible" annoys you, but if you don't have anything else constructive to contribute, loosen up your panties and keep your consternations to yourself.




Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: hiccup on June 02, 2019, 10:10:23 PM
but if you don't have anything else constructive to contribute, loosen up your panties and keep your consternations to yourself.

Since you ask, I do have two suggestions.
- Learn to search a forum.
- Learn the differences between the concepts of 'a question', 'a bug' and 'a request'.

Oh and a third suggestion:
Using words like 'guns', 'military' 'snowflakes' and 'panties' is quite odd, unproductive and off-topic on a forum that is intended for people that assemble here because they enjoy music and MusicBee.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: phred on June 02, 2019, 10:40:51 PM
I have ALREADY named several Companies who I work with AND respond almost immediately to bug reports and such requests. And I'll name one other who has just contracted me, LYFT, for "User Interface Analyst", they of course do have a very large team of Programmers, so it's kinda like apples and oranges there.
A great comparison that is. It's -exactly- apples and oranges. Not "kinda like apples and oranges." Lyft vs MusicBee. One is a company out to make as much money as they can, and the other is a guy sitting at his kitchen table fiddling around trying to make some users happy. And winning over thousands of users at the same time. Or is it 106,663 users because that's how many posts there are on the forum.
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: hiccup on June 02, 2019, 10:47:11 PM
Yeah, and I do a lot of software testing too!

And it is usually appreciated.
Not because I am that smart, but probably because I make the same (well, actually probably a lot more) mistakes, and display more unexpected behaviour than the other monkeys, and that will help the smart programmers to improve their product and make it more fool-proof.

So boasting about being some software-tester in my mind puts you somewhere between the zoo and a keyboard.

Enjoy, my fellow monkeys!

(and perhaps close this thread? It's becoming rather silly)
Title: Re: Musicbee deletes Folder.jpg files
Post by: psychoadept on June 02, 2019, 11:32:01 PM
I think I will close this before it becomes more heated. If there is more to be said relevant to the original topic, someone can make a new thread.