This demo looks rather nice, very simple but in a good way.
i like this a lot more than the current home page. It has the right balance of showing relevant information in a visually attractive way. It may not even need a features page.
I do have some concerns if it was to be taken further. The people who helped out with the current site design are no longer active on the forums and i dont have the time or skills to do any PHP scripting to integrate the forum into that look. So someone with those skills would need to help out.
well i think it all looks great.
I already have http://test.getmusicbee.com/ available as a testing site so i could grant ftp access to it for anyone willing to participate in creating a new website version.
However i still feel a bit nervous about the forum only because i know the current one had various bits of standard smf code modified. So having someone who knows what they are doing with the PHP code would be helpful.
Perhaps it will be possible to have a fully functioning forum that points to the current forum database with the new look?
my opinion is the fonts need to be a bit stronger or somehow more interesting - at least fior the Home/ Download/ ... links and the main MusicBee header. I cant see the forum mockup you did at the moment but i thought those fonts looked good.
A few minor spelling and grammatical errors (with a few suggestions :) ):
Get MusicBee, It is free! checkout the features below or Download Now
Get MusicBee. It's free! Checkout the features below or Download Now
Play your music the way that you want. Turn your computer into a music jukebox Or, use auo tagging to cleanup your messy music library. Get the most out of your speakers with tools for those who sound quality matters
Play your music the way that you want. Turn your computer into a music jukebox or, use auto tagging to clean-up your messy music library. Get the most out of your speakers with tools for those whom sound quality matters.
MusicBee also support Groove Music(formerly XBOX Music), now you can explore your favourite artists and albums
MusicBee also supports Groove Music (formerly XBOX Music), now you can explore your favourite artists and albums.
Choose a skin for MusicBee and make it look the way you want. Check our WIKI or FORUM for more skin made by the community.
You can also make your own skin and share it with others.
Choose a skin for MusicBee and make it look the way you want. Check our WIKI or FORUM for more skins made by the community.
You can also make your own skin and share it with others.
Edit/View all tags with the extensive tag editor and the tag inspector. Manage duplicates, custom tags, Automatically organise library file names and structure, get song tags from online sources .... and a lot
Edit/View all tags with the extensive tag editor and the tag inspector. Manage duplicates, custom tags, Automatically organise library file names and structure, get song tags from online sources .... and a lot more.
And a whole lot more...
plus a whole lot more...
As XP is no longer an officially supported Microsoft platform, I would also suggest changing this one as well:
latest release Here
for Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10
latest release Here
for Windows Vista/7/8/10
As XP is no longer an officially supported Microsoft platform, I would also suggest changing this one as well:I disagree with this. Yes, XP is no longer supported by Microsoft, but MB certainly works just fine with XP. And potential users should be aware that it will indeed work with XP.
latest release Here
for Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10
latest release Here
for Windows Vista/7/8/10
"November" has a typo on the downloads page "Novmeber"Thanks, though i am actually working on a admin control center that will automate the process (no manual html editing! yay!).
I think both versions should be closer together. In your mockup I feel there's too much separation. And the release notes are for -both- versions. The way the mockup looks, it appears that the release notes are only for the portable version.ypu mean the blue background for the installer download and dark grey for the portable? yeah i noticed it too..... can't settle with the color :/
What happens when a XP related problem(maybe taskbar issue or icon displaying issue) is posted in the forum, does Steven work to fix them? If the dev actually support it i will put it back, even chrome has ended xp support.... can't be too sure...As XP is no longer an officially supported Microsoft platform, I would also suggest changing this one as well:I disagree with this. Yes, XP is no longer supported by Microsoft, but MB certainly works just fine with XP. And potential users should be aware that it will indeed work with XP.
latest release Here
for Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10
latest release Here
for Windows Vista/7/8/10
In the "Sync with Devices" blurb on the home page, I'm not so sure "iOS" should be mentioned. I guess that should really be Steven's call. But if I were looking for a new music manager/player and saw that sentence, I would expect it to work natively. As it stands now, only old iPods work directly with MB and -some- of the newer ones -may- work with the iPod/iPhone driver plugin. I think including iOS will open up a can of worms.Damn Apple, i thought it works with ios ??? ,never tried it.
I think both versions should be closer together. In your mockup I feel there's too much separation. And the release notes are for -both- versions. The way the mockup looks, it appears that the release notes are only for the portable version.Yes, that's the section I'm referring to. And II think a lot of folks uses the portable version, but I have no numbers to back that up.
ypu mean the blue background for the installer download and dark grey for the portable? yeah i noticed it too..... can't settle with the color :/
i actually wen't with grey because portable installer isn't widely use(not sure :/), so the top one would appeal more by creating a separation.
I think this is a decision for Steven.What happens when a XP related problem(maybe taskbar issue or icon displaying issue) is posted in the forum, does Steven work to fix them? If the dev actually support it i will put it back, even chrome has ended xp support.... can't be too sure...As XP is no longer an officially supported Microsoft platform, I would also suggest changing this one as well:I disagree with this. Yes, XP is no longer supported by Microsoft, but MB certainly works just fine with XP. And potential users should be aware that it will indeed work with XP.
latest release Here
for Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10
latest release Here
for Windows Vista/7/8/10
Again, another one for Steven to decide.In the "Sync with Devices" blurb on the home page, I'm not so sure "iOS" should be mentioned. I guess that should really be Steven's call. But if I were looking for a new music manager/player and saw that sentence, I would expect it to work natively. As it stands now, only old iPods work directly with MB and -some- of the newer ones -may- work with the iPod/iPhone driver plugin. I think including iOS will open up a can of worms.Damn Apple, i thought it works with ios ??? ,never tried it.
So Should i remove IOS or just mention the IOS version number that it work with.
I think both versions should be closer together. In your mockup I feel there's too much separation. And the release notes are for -both- versions. The way the mockup looks, it appears that the release notes are only for the portable version.Yes, that's the section I'm referring to. And II think a lot of folks uses the portable version, but I have no numbers to back that up.
ypu mean the blue background for the installer download and dark grey for the portable? yeah i noticed it too..... can't settle with the color :/
i actually wen't with grey because portable installer isn't widely use(not sure :/), so the top one would appeal more by creating a separation.I think this is a decision for Steven.What happens when a XP related problem(maybe taskbar issue or icon displaying issue) is posted in the forum, does Steven work to fix them? If the dev actually support it i will put it back, even chrome has ended xp support.... can't be too sure...As XP is no longer an officially supported Microsoft platform, I would also suggest changing this one as well:I disagree with this. Yes, XP is no longer supported by Microsoft, but MB certainly works just fine with XP. And potential users should be aware that it will indeed work with XP.
latest release Here
for Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10
latest release Here
for Windows Vista/7/8/10Again, another one for Steven to decide.In the "Sync with Devices" blurb on the home page, I'm not so sure "iOS" should be mentioned. I guess that should really be Steven's call. But if I were looking for a new music manager/player and saw that sentence, I would expect it to work natively. As it stands now, only old iPods work directly with MB and -some- of the newer ones -may- work with the iPod/iPhone driver plugin. I think including iOS will open up a can of worms.Damn Apple, i thought it works with ios ??? ,never tried it.
So Should i remove IOS or just mention the IOS version number that it work with.
can you suggest me some good color?Maybe you could rearrange it slightly?
well Steven is busy right now :/Yes, he certainly is. But it's his product and while I feel fine -suggesting- changes, the final decision should be his.
can you suggest me some good color?Maybe you could rearrange it slightly?
with existing blue (#0076DB) background:Download MusicBee
We hope you'll enjoy your music experience with MusicBee!
Version: 2.5.5804 with the picture over here
Released on 22 November 2015
Windows XP/Vista/7/8/10
View the release notes
with blue/grey (#2B6698) background:
MusicBee
Standard version for your desktop, laptop or tablet
Start Download Mirror 1 Mirror 2
with existing grey (#565656) background:
Portable MusicBee
Put MusicBee on your flash drive and take your music collection wherever you go.
Get Portable version
EDIT:
or simply use the colours you changed it to while I was originally typing this :)
Great work AvikB!why do you wan't the footer in the view? any specific reason?
One of the things I like is the footer you designed.
Would it be an option to have that footer in view always? So it is not necessary to scroll all the way down to see it?
and,If BETTER alternatives are provided i will be happy to change them.
I hate to bring in 'a negative', especially since I do like the look and feel of the image and the colors, but I have an allergy (with doctors prescription) for the 'hand heart'.
Are alternative images being considered?
why do you wan't the footer in the view? any specific reason?
and no, i don't think it is possible for the footer to be always visible, not without compromising the look and feel. i don't see a reason of the footer being always visible.
"Get Latest Patch" should point to an actual live link, instead of the Download forum which isn't maintained fully current.Good point.
I know that I can look for phred's sig to find it, but others won't know that. I've always been a little chagrined that it's not really apparent what is the current patched version. Fixes on the fly should be captured somewhere and made obvious. A site redesign is a good opportunity to do that.
Therefore in my opinion either the footer should be sticky, or the info in the footer should be more suited for a typical footer. Such as acknowledgements, legal info, contact info etc.
I also think that the footer should be always visible, the copyright part div to be exact (it would take too much space to include the upper part of the footer), but it's not a must. The header on the other hand should be always visible for a quick horizontal menu access.
I've always been a little chagrined that it's not really apparent what is the current patched version. Fixes on the fly should be captured somewhere and made obvious. A site redesign is a good opportunity to do that.
Perhaps the 'latest patch' should be linked to this: http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Latest_Update
One thing I might suggest is the inclusion of the MusicBee logo in the first sub content div and in the header. I really like this overhaul.
I love this, too. There are a few good modernized icons available in the icon forum.damn i forget about that :S
Could you also maybe look at recycling the honeycomb background from the current forum and website into the new one's.
Maybe as the background for the footer?
I think it's a great analogy for MusicBee; all of us little cells - listening to our own types of music, but interconnected by our passion for music and our use of MusicBee.
I like what you've done with the download section for the installer and portable versions.
However, I think the top menu item for Add-Ons is misleading. Those sub-items (I assume) will point to those sections of the forum. Users might be confused thinking that they can get Skins, Plug-ins, etc from there. And while technically they can, they'll have to search through the forum to find them. Again, this drop-down is part of the forum and might better be placed under the Forum menu item. Perhaps with all the other sub-forums. Or just leave "forums" as is and eliminate the reference to Add-Ons.
That's just my two cents.
Those sub-items (I assume) will point to those sections of the forum. Users might be confused thinking that they can get Skins, Plug-ins, etc from there. And while technically they can, they'll have to search through the forum to find them.
I thought that too, but don't worry! a custom CMS for managing plugin/skin is on the way! :)
Admins would be able to add or remove plugins/skins also mention which MB version it supports and possible bugs
However, I think the top menu item for Add-Ons is misleading. Those sub-items (I assume) will point to those sections of the forum. Users might be confused thinking that they can get Skins, Plug-ins, etc from there. And while technically they can, they'll have to search through the forum to find them. Again, this drop-down is part of the forum and might better be placed under the Forum menu item. Perhaps with all the other sub-forums. Or just leave "forums" as is and eliminate the reference to Add-Ons.
However, I think the top menu item for Add-Ons is misleading. Those sub-items (I assume) will point to those sections of the forum. Users might be confused thinking that they can get Skins, Plug-ins, etc from there. And while technically they can, they'll have to search through the forum to find them. Again, this drop-down is part of the forum and might better be placed under the Forum menu item. Perhaps with all the other sub-forums. Or just leave "forums" as is and eliminate the reference to Add-Ons.
I agree with phred, this makes sense.
Fact is, it is probably confusing to some newbies that we have both a website, a forum, and a wiki.
To make that as clear as possible I feel also it would be best to have separate top menu's for forum and wikibee (yep, I am throwing in a new name suggestion for 'wikia' for free ;-)
Then both the 'forum', and the 'wikibee' menu could have their own applicable entries for skins, faq's, downloads, etc.
Of course that's not ideal either, it might confuse new users a bit where to go, but at least it would represent the factual situation as it is. After all the fact just is that we do have some overlaps between the website, forum and wiki.
Thinking this through, maybe it would be good to have an entry called something like: "where to go from here?", briefly explaining the differences between, and features of the website vs. the wiki, vs. the forum.
The MusicBee wikia was created practically single-handedly with amazing effort and perseverance by longtime member psychadept, since it was filling a need nor the website, nor the forum was (is) offering.
It would probably be a very good idea if you could get in contact with him to see if you could join forces, and with his help, input and experience could create something even better and a bit more more streamlined.
Can I get some feedback on this:Agreed.
At the moment plugins and skins are maintained on the forum and also in the wiki.
I think no matter what, the forum would need to be the place when a skin or plugin is first introduced and comments/ feedback and new iterations done.
I also like the idea that there is one page to get a final version of any skin, thats in an easy to read and you can quickly scroll down and see snapshots of a skin. The wiki serves this purpose for now.I feel this is critical. It's the only place where a user can easily compare skins, all in one simple to scroll, place. If I had to reply on the forum to find a skin, I'd go crazy.
However on the new web-site demo, there is an Add-Ons link.In this method, would one be able to see skins side-by-side (or one under another) in a larger than thumbnail size? If so, I'm all for it.
I like this because it makes accessing them easily discovered. How do you feel about having the plugins and skins moved from the wiki to a content management style system where designated people could put the final version into a templated format that would then be accessible by the Add-Ons link.
"Get Latest Patch" should point to an actual live link, instead of the Download forum which isn't maintained fully current.Good point.
I know that I can look for phred's sig to find it, but others won't know that. I've always been a little chagrined that it's not really apparent what is the current patched version. Fixes on the fly should be captured somewhere and made obvious. A site redesign is a good opportunity to do that.
Perhaps the 'latest patch' should be linked to this: http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Latest_Update
Yeah that is the plan, one centralized place for all add-ons.QuoteI also like the idea that there is one page to get a final version of any skin, thats in an easy to read and you can quickly scroll down and see snapshots of a skin. The wiki serves this purpose for now.I feel this is critical. It's the only place where a user can easily compare skins, all in one simple to scroll, place. If I had to reply on the forum to find a skin, I'd go crazy.
what do you mean by side by side? the image of the skin will be uploaded either by mod/admin or the author itself, so different muiscbee setup will have different musicbee layout, and comparing them while skinned will be weird thing as some screenshot will look a lot more different than other. :/QuoteHowever on the new web-site demo, there is an Add-Ons link.In this method, would one be able to see skins side-by-side (or one under another) in a larger than thumbnail size? If so, I'm all for it.
I like this because it makes accessing them easily discovered. How do you feel about having the plugins and skins moved from the wiki to a content management style system where designated people could put the final version into a templated format that would then be accessible by the Add-Ons link.
The new forum is missing some things I (and I'm sure others) use frequently.
-Near the top of the forum home page, under the logo, is a section showing PMs, unread posts, and new replies to the user's posts.
That really needs to be incorporated into the new layout.
(http://i.imgur.com/KBP5Jqzl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/KBP5Jqz.jpg)
- On the registration page, "I agree with the terms and condition. Read below" The word CONDITION should be plural: conditions.Thanks. will be fixed in new update
- When quoting and replying to an existing post, I don't see previous posts. This prevents one from quoting from multiple posts.
In addition, I think you should remove from the subject of this thread that the "new forum is now live." That implies we are to start using it for questions, posts, etc. Perhaps changing it to "now ready for testing" or something like that would be better. The last thing I want to do is to check two different forums to see what's going on.ok, will change it.
The fonts in the new forum are looking a bit ugly. (in FireFox)this is werid, it does not look bad on my end. i am using firefox version 42! :/
is there something to be done about that?
(http://i.imgur.com/vbO3RD6l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/vbO3RD6.png)
there is already a release note page http://getmusicbee.com/release_notes.html (http://getmusicbee.com/release_notes.html)"Get Latest Patch" should point to an actual live link, instead of the Download forum which isn't maintained fully current.Good point.
I know that I can look for phred's sig to find it, but others won't know that. I've always been a little chagrined that it's not really apparent what is the current patched version. Fixes on the fly should be captured somewhere and made obvious. A site redesign is a good opportunity to do that.
Perhaps the 'latest patch' should be linked to this: http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Latest_Update
To add to this, I see in the new design that there's a corresponding link for "Release Notes". I do hope that that gets support and is fleshed out even for those quick-fix updates that are done on an ad hoc basis, generally in response to a bug report post.
I do want to know what's been changed when there's an update; it's not possible to read every thread to keep up with these fixes.
this is werid, it does not look bad on my end.
there is already a release note page http://getmusicbee.com/release_notes.html
yeah it is enabled on my system. I am using roboto, let me see if i can do anything about it.this is werid, it does not look bad on my end.
Looking at your screenshot, you probably have 'cleartype' (smooth edges of screen fonts) enabled in Windows?
Like many others, I always disable that since it 'confuses/hurts' my eyes (or brain?)
Could you perhaps choose a font that would also look good without 'cleartype'?
Quotethere is already a release note page http://getmusicbee.com/release_notes.html
Oh, man, I totally have been overlooking that.
However, now that you've pointed it out, where would I find the notes for
5759
5789
5794
5797
for example?
That's what I'm getting at. How can this be kept current?
this is werid, it does not look bad on my end.
Looking at your screenshot, you probably have 'cleartype' (smooth edges of screen fonts) enabled in Windows?
Like many others, I always disable that since it 'confuses/hurts' my eyes (or brain?)
Could you perhaps choose a font that would also look good without 'cleartype'?
also what firefox version are you using? somefirefox version has weird font rendering issuethis is werid, it does not look bad on my end.
Looking at your screenshot, you probably have 'cleartype' (smooth edges of screen fonts) enabled in Windows?
Like many others, I always disable that since it 'confuses/hurts' my eyes (or brain?)
Could you perhaps choose a font that would also look good without 'cleartype'?
what do you mean by side by side? the image of the skin will be uploaded either by mod/admin or the author itself, so different muiscbee setup will have different musicbee layout, and comparing them while skinned will be weird thing as some screenshot will look a lot more different than other. :/My use of the words "side by side" was just an example of a possible layout for the skin screenshots. My point is that I strongly feel there needs to be a place where they can all be seen in comparison with one another.
what do you mean by side by side? the image of the skin will be uploaded either by mod/admin or the author itself, so different muiscbee setup will have different musicbee layout, and comparing them while skinned will be weird thing as some screenshot will look a lot more different than other. :/My use of the words "side by side" was just an example of a possible layout for the skin screenshots. My point is that I strongly feel there needs to be a place where they can all be seen in comparison with one another.
In the current implementation of the forum, it is impossible to compare skins. For instance, I'm feeling blue and want a blue skin. I would have to open every new thread on the skins sub-forum in order to see a screenshot. On the Wiki, I can just go to "skins > all skins by author" and see them all in one place, one under the other, all the same size and look for something blue.
also what firefox version are you using? somefirefox version has weird font rendering issue
Roboto is great for smartphone displays and tablets. I recommend PT Sans.
Whatever the outcome on what the font winds up being, it should be a font that is available in all Windows editions. For instance, Roboto is not installed on my Win7 machine. Therefore Firefox will substitute something else where Roboto should be. Remember, not everyone has access to all the same fonts unless they were installed with Windows.
@import url(https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Roboto:400,100,300,700);
Roboto is great for smartphone displays and tablets. I recommend PT Sans.
A few of the usual suspects,including PT Sans and Roboto:
(http://i.imgur.com/hI5ISQjs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/hI5ISQj.png)
I like Calibri and Verdana a lot. They look very clean and well readable, even at very small font sizes.
NO, the fon't does not need to be installed!I'm sorry. If that's the case, then I stand corrected.
the browser gets the font from fonts.googleapis.com
this is how i do it right now:Codeit has nothing to do with windows machine. ROBOTO is a widely used font for website development.@import url(https://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Roboto:400,100,300,700);
Roboto is great for smartphone displays and tablets. I recommend PT Sans.
A few of the usual suspects,including PT Sans and Roboto:
(http://i.imgur.com/hI5ISQjs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/hI5ISQj.png)
I like Calibri and Verdana a lot. They look very clean and well readable, even at very small font sizes.
Confirmed.
My eyes thank you!
Sharp as a razor again:
(http://i.imgur.com/4sr5rKZs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/4sr5rKZ.png)
(funny to see, when opening the webpage or forum for a first time, you see the alternative font kicking in after around a second)
for me, most of the fonts look like Roboto, except all the text in the "General" section and in the "Support" section which looks like Times New Roman to me.
eg. the "General" and "Support" headers, along with all other text such as "Advanced search" look Roboto but "Latest Version" is Times New Roman
weird, i have no clue how you can stare at those razer sharp fonts :O my eye bleeds even staring at them.
Different folks, different strokes ;-)well thats true, let me know if you find any problem.
I used mostly Arial and Verdana, dunno about Times New Roman! i might change "Latest Version" to Arial instead of Verdana... thats not the priority though, working on the addon center.it looks fine as is now - just thought you were only using Roberto
I used mostly Arial and Verdana, dunno about Times New Roman! i might change "Latest Version" to Arial instead of Verdana... thats not the priority though, working on the addon center.it looks fine as is now - just thought you were only using Roberto
screenshot:
(http://getmusicbee.com/images/temp/newforum.jpg)
How do you feel about having the plugins and skins moved from the wiki to a content management style system where designated people could put the final version into a templated format that would then be accessible by the Add-Ons link.
How do you feel about having the plugins and skins moved from the wiki to a content management style system where designated people could put the final version into a templated format that would then be accessible by the Add-Ons link.
To me it makes sense to have skins and plugins available on the main website rather than having to follow an off-site link.
For a good example of how this might be achieved, check out Kodi (formerly XBMC). http://addons.kodi.tv/
How do you feel about having the plugins and skins moved from the wiki to a content management style system where designated people could put the final version into a templated format that would then be accessible by the Add-Ons link.
To me it makes sense to have skins and plugins available on the main website rather than having to follow an off-site link.
For a good example of how this might be achieved, check out Kodi (formerly XBMC). http://addons.kodi.tv/
I'm all for this, as long as it doesn't create any obstacles to keeping the list up-to-date.
it should not look like that! it seems that page is not fully loaded. also what browser, what version and try to refresh if the issue persist, also maybe clear browser cache.it seems to have sorted itself out this morning and working as expected
well the problem was browser cache! glad it sorted outit should not look like that! it seems that page is not fully loaded. also what browser, what version and try to refresh if the issue persist, also maybe clear browser cache.it seems to have sorted itself out this morning and working as expected
When using the new Forum there are two "Home" buttons. One takes the user to the home page for MB, the other takes the user to the top level of the forum. I think the name of the latter should be changed to avoid confusion. The current forum has "getmusicbee.com" but I think something more like "Forum Home" would be more descriptive.
(http://i.imgur.com/MfGyytUl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/MfGyytU.jpg)
I think it's time for me to trade in my eyes for a new pair. :(
I hope this isn't related to me needing a new set of eyeballs, but I'm pretty sure these two boxes were lined up earlier today. Definitely yesterday.
(http://i.imgur.com/KvuEh7al.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/KvuEh7a.jpg)
Wow, you are really doing amazing work!:) thanks, currently doing the addon dashboard, should be able to provide a demo soon.
Looking really good!thanks, also make sure to report ideas and bugs
I wonder if the dots for the different screenshots would not be better if the selected one was white and the others were grey.
(http://i.imgur.com/aAdUfMU.png)
Thanks for the feedback, it definitely looks better with white being selected. I am actually quite busy with the addon center so don't expect any new update in few day or so :( , also report for any other suggestion, i will look into them.
There is a links: Got an idea for a new feature? Make a feature wish in the forum"Creating popup would be annoying, and most browser blocks them by deafult, a immediate page would be nice. Planned for next(or maybe a later update, since i am doing the addon dashboard).
Suggestion: have that link direct to the specific wishlist topic directly (instead of to general), but present an immediate page (or pop-up) with some 'read this first' text how to post. Such as 'have you done a forum search first?', 'are you using the most recent MB release?' etc.
A similar link and pop-up for 'reporting a bug' would be good too.It won't be a big deal to create a page for it, but i am have no idea what the content of the page would be? if anyone is willing to writing some pre-notice for reporting bug and feature would be nice as my english is pretty bad.
In the bookmarks bar of FireFox, most bookmarks have a small icon representing the webpage. For your creation it is not there (yet?)Haven't decided the icon yet, it is upto Steven. and the site is not done yet, so i am not too much focusing on that.
It's very good that you have 'search' and 'advanced search' displaying next to each other.i never used advance search, but thought it might be a good idea to include it since a lots of member might wanna use it.
For years I have silently cursed the primitive and lackluster search option in the current forum. Just now, thanks to your lay-out I discovered the current forum also has a more advanced search available when clicking the search button on the left. Grrr...
A similar link and pop-up for 'reporting a bug' would be good too.It won't be a big deal to create a page for it, but i am have no idea what the content of the page would be? if anyone is willing to writing some pre-notice for reporting bug and feature would be nice as my english is pretty bad.
btw can you see this addon dashboard option? other options are only for admin right now :/
(http://i.imgur.com/l8INTFu.jpg)
Definitely look into those. with that available i can create a notice page for reporting bug and feature today and make a demo available.A similar link and pop-up for 'reporting a bug' would be good too.It won't be a big deal to create a page for it, but i am have no idea what the content of the page would be? if anyone is willing to writing some pre-notice for reporting bug and feature would be nice as my english is pretty bad.
There already is something like that here: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=1912.0
With some slight changes and updates that could be used.
And a maybe dumb question, I don't see a login option on the webpage itself, only one when you go to the forum?
For the screenshots of the skins, would it be possible to click those so to see them enlarged to their actual image size?Yes definitely.
In that way you can see the details of the skin that are now a bit obscure sometimes.
For the screenshots of the skins, would it be possible to click those so to see them enlarged to their actual image size?+1 +1 +1 +1
In that way you can see the details of the skin that are now a bit obscure sometimes.
fullscreen image viewing support is comming soon. :)For the screenshots of the skins, would it be possible to click those so to see them enlarged to their actual image size?+1 +1 +1 +1
In that way you can see the details of the skin that are now a bit obscure sometimes.
For the screenshots of the skins, would it be possible to click those so to see them enlarged to their actual image size?
In that way you can see the details of the skin that are now a bit obscure sometimes.
For the screenshots of the skins, would it be possible to click those so to see them enlarged to their actual image size?+1 +1 +1 +1
In that way you can see the details of the skin that are now a bit obscure sometimes.
I don't use facebook, so I can't give an opinion on that.Yes, keep it simple. One click is the way to go.
Simplicity would have my preference.
No need for extra pop-ups, tabs or zooming.
If possible, just 1 click to show the actual pixel size, click again to return to the previous view.
And I thought I was the only person left in the world who didn't use facebook. It's kind of nice to have company. :)
I don't use facebook, so I can't give an opinion on that.
Simplicity would have my preference.
No need for extra pop-ups, tabs or zooming.
If possible, just 1 click to show the actual pixel size, click again to return to the previous view.
Yes, keep it simple. One click is the way to go.
And I thought I was the only person left in the world who didn't use facebook. It's kind of nice to have company. :)
In the top menu there is an entry called 'add-ons', under which are entries such as plugins, visualiser, equalizer.
I have some suggestions on that.
The meaning of the term 'plugins' is practically identical to 'add-ons', so I think better to be avoided here.
Maybe under add-ons have something like:
- skins
- theater modes
- visualiser plugins
- audio plugins (or DSP plugins)
- functional extensions ( stuff like upnp addon, boroda74's tool, sync tools, etc.)
Also, same as you here, I also tend to use 'equalizer' (instead of equaliser), but equaliser (and visualiser) are proper British English, wich The Creator would probably prefer...
- functional extensions, this is a really weird name. maybe something else! dunno.
Maybe under add-ons have something like:
- skins
- theater modes
- visualiser plugins
- audio plugins (or DSP plugins)
- functional extensions ( stuff like upnp addon, boroda74's tool, sync tools, etc.)
I like most of these name BUT- functional extensions, this is a really weird name. maybe something else! dunno.
You are calling me weird now? ;-)'hiccup' always reminds me of How to train your dragon's hiccup, no offense intended :)
Well, maybe, yes. Also, I'm not a native English speaker, so of course any other suggestions are very welcome.
Ah, one more thing:
One thing that I like is how there is so much integration between the website and the forum in your design.
In a way, I also think it should be clear what is what, and where you are, but I like the integration very much.
What I am bringing up now could well be because I have to get adjusted to this new design and don't understand the working very well yet.
When you are logged in at the forum, then close your browser, and later on re-open the website page, you see the login icons (little guy, envelope) at the top.
So you know you are logged in.
But on that screen there is no logout button.
I am wondering: is logging in to the forum, the same thing as logging in to the website? Or are they synced or something like that?
'hiccup' always reminds me of How to train your dragon's hiccup, no offense intended :)
but yeah "functional extension" sound like "hey these are the ONLY extension that functions well, others are maybe nonfunctional...." or something like that
Steven gave me the database access today, and i already tested it(just few minute ago), it is working, so integrating forum in deeper level won't take much time.
let me know if you are interested in this feature, i might also do the same for Show new replies to your posts., this will help most forum user.
I will see that movie, and let you know if I am offended....
Steven gave me the database access today, and i already tested it(just few minute ago), it is working, so integrating forum in deeper level won't take much time.
let me know if you are interested in this feature, i might also do the same for Show new replies to your posts., this will help most forum user.
If I can't do too much damage, I am available for test-driving.
When you are logged in at the forum, then close your browser, and later on re-open the website page, you see the login icons (little guy, envelope) at the top.also the new update has this improvement. now you can also logout from anywhere in the site.
So you know you are logged in.
But on that screen there is no logout button.
Impressive work, Avik. This looks like it'll streamline the whole process of publishing plugins, and also help new users to discover them.
For foreign languages users it might be very nice to have the option to post in a support topic for their own language.+1
for the foreign language support, keep in mind the userbase of musicbee is quite small and i imagine it will be very unlikely there will be enough people who speak the language and able/ willing to help. At least with english only, its open to a wider audience of people who can help even if there is some misunderstandings.
"Latest Version"I agree, the latest version sounds ambiguous. although i don't know if removing rubbish bin is really necessary or not. :/
It is a bit ambiguous. Is it a download link? Is it information on the most recent version only? Beta or Final?
"Customisations"
It currently envelopes both visual customisations, and functional (and functioning ;-) add-ons. It might be good to split those.
"General"
That's very general indeed, and it also resides under the identical named higher level "General"
"Rubbish bin"
That one doesn't really deserve a place on the main screen
I have been noticing lately that there seems to be an increase in posts asking for help, which are difficult to understand because the poster seems to have some problems with the English language. Maybe even throwing their question from their native language though google translate...to be fair google translate is not THAT ACCURATE! and also it will be hassle for English speaking user to help. I am not against the idea though. but i highly doubt any english speaking user will be willing to help them using GOOGLE TRANSLATOR! maybe any user that speaks the op's language can help them.
For foreign languages users it might be very helpful to have the option to post in a support topic for their own language.
For the sake of 'sharing knowledge' between all users it shouldn't be promoted, but it would probably be a blessing for some foreign language users, frustrated with explaining and understanding some more complicated issues.
This is a proposed change in structure accommodating for the above observations:
GENERAL
Version Info Child boards: Release version, Testing versions
Tips and Tricks
Customisations Child boards: Icons, Localisation, Skins, TheaterMode, Visualisers
Plugins
MusicBee Wishlist
General Board Child boards: General discussions, Beyond MusicBee, Screenshot gallery, Rubbish Bin
Polls Child boards: Developers polls, General polls
SUPPORT
Questions Child boards: Questions on MusicBee, Support in non-English languages only
Tips and Tricks
Developers Child boards: MusicBee API, Skins, TheaterMode
Bug Reports
although i don't know if removing rubbish bin is really necessary or not. :/
I think you misread my intention about google translate.:O, damn i misunderstood what you said. But yeah, if we have members to help out in language problem, then we can open some boards.
I meant that google translate currently might be the cause of 'Lost in Translation' in some difficult to understand posts lately.
So having the opportunity to post in your own language, and be answered in that language too might help to avoid that.
We could start out with some language boards such as German, Russian, Japanese, Dutch, Australian, since I think we have some active members from those area's.
There could then maybe be the option to request for a new language to be added by new members, that then to be decided on by moderators?
- The childboard 'Screenshot gallery' should not be under 'Beyond MusicBee'. That board is for all stuff that is not directly related to MusicBee. (what headphones do you use, your favorite albums, etc.)Maybe we could put it under general discussion
- 'Rubish Bin' gets even more attention when under something like 'Graveyard'. It also might attract vultures.that also works.
Lets' put it a level deeper underground ;-)
- To me 'Addons' (as your suggestion is) feels slightly better there than 'extensions', but hey, let's have a poll!well i am all for new board structure, i am sure steven won't have any problem with this.
(Oh, wait, Catch22, we'll have to wait for the new forum to be able to do that)
All these considerations aside, of course it is crucial that you and Steven decide on what is best and doable, also considering that all links and references between the forum and the new website, and all the wordings and descriptions used should be as streamlined as possible.
there is some extra work will require for steven to do(i have a sollution.... ). for an example. new release announcement for both beta and stable. also updating beta release is a hassle since beta evolves really quickly and almost 1-2 patches everyday. and also the download page also offers beta version. so keeping track of that AND also a discussion thread about the beta....damn it will get hard.
In my opinion I don't think the beta version (or 'nightly' as I call it) needs an announcement/notification.
Only a small group of users will be involved in testing, and they will know to check for updates when Steven replies to a bug report.
I believe that the way at this moment the different versions, updates, patches, etc. are explained, are still confusing quite some users.
Speaking of patches, I wonder if it would be possible to introduce a 'ticket' system to the website, to make bug reporting a bit more efficient. I don't know what would be required in terms of programming, but it's just an idea anyway.
Here's an example of what I mean: https://trac.mpc-hc.org/ticket/2747
i wont agree to a ticketing system as then it becomes a job and not a hobby project
One of the reasons MusicBee has became as good as it is, and why this forum functions as well is it does, is that one person (Steven) decides, and makes good judgements on what to address and implement.I too am against a ticket system and it's mostly a selfish reason. Steven doesn't want it because this will then feel like a job and not a hobby. I really, really want Steven to feel good about the work he's doing with MusicBee. He has stated in the past that once MB starts feeling like a job (or work) he'll likely stop development. And I would not to see that happen.
Introducing a ticket system, in any which form of shape would take away that system and understanding.
So -1 from me.
I too am against a ticket system and it's mostly a selfish reason. Steven doesn't want it because this will then feel like a job and not a hobby. I really, really want Steven to feel good about the work he's doing with MusicBee. He has stated in the past that once MB starts feeling like a job (or work) he'll likely stop development. And I would not to see that happen.
It's a unanimous decision then!!!!!
No ticketing system is needed. I agree with Steven.
Just waiting for a new forum update, possibly with a chatbox or some extra visual features.
Great work again AvikB!
I hate to rain on this marvelous party, but I am realizing a very big drawback of this beautiful design concept.
With the current forum landing page, you have a clean overview of all the boards topics in one view. No need for scrolling to find out what other boards there are.besides the ones that are in view initially.
When I was checking out other fora to get some ideas for our new forum, that was also one of the things I felt many fora got wrong.
Many don't have a clean landing page with only, and all the main boards in view. Either there are to many which make it confusing, or as the current concept, you have to do scrolling up and down before you know wich one to choose.
I know the world, and especially tablet and smartphone users have become sort of addicted to scrolling and swiping. It's of course much more functional there, and the experience is kind of 'fun'.
But behind a desktop PC, I feel it should be avoided as much as possible.
Do you think you could do your magic with the great look and feel you are creating already, whilst keeping the practical and good overview the current forum has?
In my opinion the website can have lots of eye-candy (even though I personally would like the home page to be sort of 'spartan'), but the forum I surely would prefer to be as much as possible about the content, without too much visual and interface distractions.
Great work again AvikB!
I hate to rain on this marvelous party, but I am realizing a very big drawback of this beautiful design concept.
With the current forum landing page, you have a clean overview of all the boards topics in one view. No need for scrolling to find out what other boards there are.besides the ones that are in view initially.
When I was checking out other fora to get some ideas for our new forum, that was also one of the things I felt many fora got wrong.
Many don't have a clean landing page with only, and all the main boards in view. Either there are to many which make it confusing, or as the current concept, you have to do scrolling up and down before you know wich one to choose.
o you think you could do your magic with the great look and feel you are creating already, whilst keeping the practical and good overview the current forum has?
Glad that you recycled the honeycomb background. I think it looks great :)Well yeah, thanks for the suggestion you gave me. :) i will also add this honey comb to some other area in future.
I assume that clicking on the coloured squares will take you to the appropriate forum section, so a suggestion for a minor layout change.fixed in the next update.
* Removed the number from 'Latest MusicBee' on blue panel as you have the version number on the there as well
* not sure you would need "Questions" board under Support as most questions get asked (currently) under "General" - unless, of course, you are trying to separate general comments from questions.Yes, question will have a separate section. as right now, almost EVERYTHING from site update announcement to discussion to asking question is done in ONE thread. and it is a mess. thats why a question board is needed. General area will be used for discussion and other stuff.
EDITthe problem would be for people with resolution like 1366x768 or lower. Higher resolution like 2k or 4k monitor and MAYBE FullHD monitor should be able to handle most of it
I have no problem with scrolling with this layout as the most used forum areas are at the top
EDITthe problem would be for people with resolution like 1366x768 or lower. Higher resolution like 2k or 4k monitor and MAYBE FullHD monitor should be able to handle most of it
I have no problem with scrolling with this layout as the most used forum areas are at the top
I prefer the other layout (or my rearrangement of it) with the coloured boxes across the top.i do prefer the boxes on the top. But they don't scroll to the specific thread. they redirect to download page, addons page and support page.
If clicking on those boxes does quickly scroll the page to right section of the forum, then the manual scrolling issue would be minimized.EDITthe problem would be for people with resolution like 1366x768 or lower. Higher resolution like 2k or 4k monitor and MAYBE FullHD monitor should be able to handle most of it
I have no problem with scrolling with this layout as the most used forum areas are at the top
I'm using only 1920 x 1080 and I use sizer so I've only got the page open to 80% of the screen, and still looks good to me.
I am still trying to comprehend the tighter integration between forum and website. So it could well be I am making some wrong assumptions here,Weird, will test it more, also i will update the demo forum so that we can get a better understanding.
When I look at this screenshot:
(http://i.imgur.com/qsLMo1Ql.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/qsLMo1Q.png)
Aren't the large buttons more suited for the website, and not for the forum?I am trying to not only integrate the function, but the look as well. Also yes, the latest version board is still there, but this should take the user directly to the download page, instead of opening the board then opening the latest topic THEN scroll to the bottom to see the latest update.
If you opened the forum page, there are already boards called "latest version", "Questions" etc.
I am a bit confused what these large buttons would add to that specific forum page.
About the top-bar. Is it intended to be similar looking, whether you are on the website, or at the forum?I think it is pretty clear where you are, BUT menu highlighting is COMING(i have planned this already :) )
Not having a strong opinion on that, but if so, maybe it could be made slightly clearer where you are at that moment.
Either by having a slightly different color design, or maybe by having the tab 'FORUM' highlighted when you are on the forum.
And about the 'HOME' button at the top. When you are navigating the forum, is that supposed to take you to the main forum page, or to the main web page?YES, with smf version 2.0.11, they changed the forum navigation system! so i still haven't figure out a way to rename it to forum home, like i did with the previous one :S
i like the idea of having something like the boxes that highlight content, especially the "Get Latest Version" one because of the surprising number of times people seem to have difficulty finding it in the current forum layout
i like the idea of having something like the boxes that highlight content, especially the "Get Latest Version" one because of the surprising number of times people seem to have difficulty finding it in the current forum layout
That could certainly serve a good purpose. But than that box could be very specific (and a bit smaller) saying something like: "download the latest nightly build", with some brief explanatory text as what it is, and how to install it.The third one is link to faq and documentation, often new users may found that useful for finding answered question and HOW TOs and tips and tricks.
For the other two boxes I personally don't see added value (at that location)
The third one is link to faq and documentation, often new users may found that useful for finding answered question and HOW TOs and tips and tricks.
The second one is for new users that may or may not NOTICED that we have a addon section or EVEN anyone can submit them. It is mainly as a reminder and a useful notice to new user.
Also Don't worry, you will be able to hide them, if you prefer clean forum interface[/size]
it is mainly geared toward new users who PROBABLY didn't notice those things.
You are right, that can be useful.Whenever you hover over that box, you will get two button saying Browser Addons and Submit Addons
What confused me a little bit is that it combines 'get addons' and 'submit addons', and I was not sure where that would take you.
But I am confident you are a man with a plan on that.
Optionally hiding them is great. But the button to download the latest nightly version in my opinion would best be sticky and fixed, since it is probably useful for almost everybody.
I digested all input and suggestions, reshuffled it, and present what I think is getting pretty close to a great forum structure.is BEYOND MUSICBEE a category? )
Input please?
ANNOUNCEMENT
MusicBee Release information on the latest official release version
MusicBee Pre-Release the latest 'nightly' and pre-release versions
GENERAL
Tips and Tricks
General Discussions Child boards: Discussing MusicBee, Polls
MusicBee Wishlist
MUSICBEE ADDONS
Customisations Child boards: TheaterMode, Skins, Icons, Visualisers, Localisation, Showcase
Plugins
SUPPORT
Questions Child boards: Questions on MusicBee, Support in non-English languages only
Bug Reports
Developers Child boards: MusicBee API, Skins, TheaterMode
BEYOND MUSICBEE Child boards:Related Interests, Rubbish Bin
By "Browser Addons" do you really mean "Browse Addons"? As in giving the user the opportunity to look for addons? Or are there going to be addons for a browser?You are right, that can be useful.Whenever you hover over that box, you will get two button saying Browser Addons and Submit Addons
What confused me a little bit is that it combines 'get addons' and 'submit addons', and I was not sure where that would take you.
But I am confident you are a man with a plan on that.
@hiccup,
can you give some examples of what would go in General Discussions
and how do you see it differing from Beyond MusicBee and Support/ Questions ?
Currently we have 'general', which says "Got a question or comment?"
I thought to split questions and comments up, so 'Questions' under 'Support' will obviously be for questions only, and stuff such as "Official MB appreciation thread" and the topic we are actually in right now would go to 'General discussions'.
Currently we have 'general', which says "Got a question or comment?"
I thought to split questions and comments up, so 'Questions' under 'Support' will obviously be for questions only, and stuff such as "Official MB appreciation thread" and the topic we are actually in right now would go to 'General discussions'.
My two cents - I feel like General Discussion and Questions are too closely related to split off into separate boards.
The same goes for Developers and Questions in the support section. The fewer boards the forum has, the less confusion.
+1Currently we have 'general', which says "Got a question or comment?"
I thought to split questions and comments up, so 'Questions' under 'Support' will obviously be for questions only, and stuff such as "Official MB appreciation thread" and the topic we are actually in right now would go to 'General discussions'.
My two cents - I feel like General Discussion and Questions are too closely related to split off into separate boards.
The same goes for Developers and Questions in the support section. The fewer boards the forum has, the less confusion.
I agree.
My two cents - I feel like General Discussion and Questions are too closely related to split off into separate boards.
The same goes for Developers and Questions in the support section. The fewer boards the forum has, the less confusion.
Whenever you hover over that box, you will get two button saying Browser Addons and Submit AddonsBy "Browser Addons" do you really mean "Browse Addons"? As in giving the user the opportunity to look for addons? Or are there going to be addons for a browser?
I have some concerns about the use of the expression "nightly builds." Firefox and others issue nightly builds. MusicBee does not. When Steven's on a roll we might get weekly builds. I think something along the lines of "latest beta" or "latest patch" would be better.Don't worry it will be called MusicBee Beta, not nightly, and yes, i will look into that matter. I did consider the availability of beta releases, since steven won't deliver beta every week like now. I am planning to add some beta info into that Get MusicBee box.
I also think the content of the green box at top needs to be reworded.I don't like the headline, it's too..... ... short! a bit long needed. I do like the body content, the change is planned for the body content :)
The headline should just be "Addons"
The body should read "We have a nice collection of skins and plugins. You can also submit your own addon here."
Lastly, for the time being, you have a comment on the screenshot that "This is how it should look in full HD." Not everyone has an HD monitor. How will it look in non-HD? It should be programmed for the lowest common denominator. It's one thing to create a site that has the latest and greatest coding tricks, but if it doesn't render properly for the average user, they're going to get frustrated.
I have some concerns about the use of the expression "nightly builds." Firefox and others issue nightly builds. MusicBee does not. When Steven's on a roll we might get weekly builds. I think something along the lines of "latest beta" or "latest patch" would be better.
Currently we have 'general', which says "Got a question or comment?"
I thought to split questions and comments up, so 'Questions' under 'Support' will obviously be for questions only, and stuff such as "Official MB appreciation thread" and the topic we are actually in right now would go to 'General discussions'.
My two cents - I feel like General Discussion and Questions are too closely related to split off into separate boards.
The same goes for Developers and Questions in the support section. The fewer boards the forum has, the less confusion.
is BEYOND MUSICBEE a category? )
while i like it, REMEMBER 5 Category and 10 board will not fit into the view and you have to scroll a bit.
try to use 4 category and
board number <= 10 (less than equal)
Or, locate your 'Announcement' suggestion under 'general'.
GENERAL
Announcements Child boards: MusicBee Release, MusicBee Pre-Release
Tips and Tricks
General Discussions Child boards: Discussing MusicBee, Polls
MusicBee Wishlist
Beyond musicBee Child boards: Related Interests, Rubbish Bin
MUSICBEE ADDONS
Customisations Child boards: TheaterMode, Skins, Icons, Visualisers, Localisation, Showcase
Plugins
SUPPORT
Questions Child boards: Questions on MusicBee, Support in non-English languages only
Bug Reports
Developers Child boards: MusicBee API, Skins, TheaterMode
That looks good to me.
Only thing I would change is to make 'Skins' its own board rather than a child, since it will probably get as much traffic as 'Plugins'.
I have some concerns about the use of the expression "nightly builds." Firefox and others issue nightly builds. MusicBee does not. When Steven's on a roll we might get weekly builds. I think something along the lines of "latest beta" or "latest patch" would be better.
I believe we are all mainly throwing ideas up here, and probably sometimes a bit in a mist in searching the right wordings and structures.
It certainly helps when Steven gives a thumbs up or a thumbs down on suggestions once in a while, so we know better how to proceed and optimize further contributions.
Short is good. There's an expression that goes something like this: Keep it simple. Why use five words when one will do?I have some concerns about the use of the expression "nightly builds." Firefox and others issue nightly builds. MusicBee does not. When Steven's on a roll we might get weekly builds. I think something along the lines of "latest beta" or "latest patch" would be better.Don't worry it will be called MusicBee Beta, not nightly, and yes, i will look into that matter. I did consider the availability of beta releases, since steven won't deliver beta every week like now. I am planning to add some beta info into that Get MusicBee box.I also think the content of the green box at top needs to be reworded.I don't like the headline, it's too..... ... short! a bit long needed. I do like the body content, the change is planned for the body content :)
The headline should just be "Addons"
The body should read "We have a nice collection of skins and plugins. You can also submit your own addon here."
Don't worry it will be called MusicBee Beta, not nightly, and yes, i will look into that matter. I did consider the availability of beta releases, since steven won't deliver beta every week like now. I am planning to add some beta info into that Get MusicBee box.
Or, locate your 'Announcement' suggestion under 'general'.
GENERAL
Announcements Child boards: MusicBee Release, MusicBee Pre-Release
Tips and Tricks
General Discussions Child boards: Discussing MusicBee, Polls
MusicBee Wishlist
Beyond musicBee Child boards: Related Interests, Rubbish Bin
MUSICBEE ADDONS
Customisations Child boards: TheaterMode, Skins, Icons, Visualisers, Localisation, Showcase
Plugins
SUPPORT
Questions Child boards: Questions on MusicBee, Support in non-English languages only
Bug Reports
Developers Child boards: MusicBee API, Skins, TheaterMode
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'Tips and Tricks' could also go under 'Support', I have no strong opinion on that.
Short is good. There's an expression that goes something like this: Keep it simple. Why use five words when one will do?
I can't recall Steven often using specific terms as alpha, beta, nightly, pre-release etc.
That is completely his call of course, and he will surely have his reasons for that, but if we want to get this matter streamlined and organised, it would be very helpful to be able to decide on some consistent terminology here.
I wouldn't mind if alpha, nightly, latest release or pre-release would be the 'correct' wordings.
I would also be o.k. to call it something like 'BlackBee release', RedBee release', 'BabyBee' or whatever, but let's try to decide on something?
Bbb...bbut if you call them anything else than beta then....
(http://i.imgur.com/s5TDTTd.jpg)
I recall Steven being sympathetic to a suggestion of having only one installer providing a choice to install 'full' or 'portable'.
If that is going to happen, you'll have to adjust accordingly.
dont assume i will make a single installer - i probably will but it wouldnt be until some time early next year
for the releases
- there is a frequent patch zip file thats uploaded to the same location to fix bugs or sometimes introduce new features
- when the beta cycle starts, i create an installer for the incremental (changed) files only ie. it assumes you have the last stable version already installed
- at the end of the beta cycle, a release candidate installer is created that installs everything
lol, i like it :)Bbb...bbut if you call them anything else than beta then....
And.... we have one vote for: BaByBee!
With some latest modification the new site will load those EDGY fonts instantly.
also since child boards are quite easy to miss for new user here what i have done, also some popular boards or boards that user might like will show as suggestion at the top. it is more like a quick access. It will show throughout the forum btw.
for the releases:
- there is a frequent patch zip file thats uploaded to the same location to fix bugs or sometimes introduce new features
- when the beta cycle starts, i create an installer for the incremental (changed) files only ie. it assumes you have the last stable version already installedname:
- at the end of the beta cycle, a release candidate installer is created that installs everything
for the releases:
Trying to categorize and explain these three to users, AvikB, and myself, would below suggestions work and be factual correct?
The question marks at the bottom yet need to be filled in.Quote- there is a frequent patch zip file thats uploaded to the same location to fix bugs or sometimes introduce new features
name:
nightly patch
why:
to patch recently found issues
how:
download, extract files, copy and overwrite existing files in the existing installation folder
effects on present configuration and settings:
none
requisite:
a stable version must be installedQuote- when the beta cycle starts, i create an installer for the incremental (changed) files only ie. it assumes you have the last stable version already installedname:
beta installer
why:
to install a new beta version of MusicBee over an existing stable version
how:
download, extract, execute the installer
effects on present configuration and settings:
none (CONFIRM?)
requisite:
a stable version must be installedQuote- at the end of the beta cycle, a release candidate installer is created that installs everything
name:
release candidate
why:
to do a clean install of a MusicBee release candidate
how:
download, extract, execute the installer
effects on present configuration and settings:
?
requisites:
?
Nice! will read it tomorrow, getting really late for my sleep :)
That's a good observation.
That has been in my subconscious too.
Looking at the current forum with my EDGY fonts, the italic child boards are not really jumping off the screen.
A different font or some highlighting color would probably already do some wonders there.
(http://i.imgur.com/4zq5Wx7l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/4zq5Wx7.png)
for the releases:
Trying to categorize and explain these three to users, AvikB, and myself, would below suggestions work and be factual correct?
The question marks at the bottom yet need to be filled in.Quote- there is a frequent patch zip file thats uploaded to the same location to fix bugs or sometimes introduce new features
name:
nightly patch
why:
to patch recently found issues
how:
download, extract files, copy and overwrite existing files in the existing installation folder
effects on present configuration and settings:
none
requisite:
a stable version must be installedQuote- when the beta cycle starts, i create an installer for the incremental (changed) files only ie. it assumes you have the last stable version already installedname:
beta installer
why:
to install a new beta version of MusicBee over an existing stable version
how:
download, extract, execute the installer
effects on present configuration and settings:
none (CONFIRM?)
requisite:
a stable version must be installedQuote- at the end of the beta cycle, a release candidate installer is created that installs everything
name:
release candidate
why:
to do a clean install of a MusicBee release candidate
how:
download, extract, execute the installer
effects on present configuration and settings:
?
requisites:
?
Getting my hopes up!
Trying to categorize and explain these three to users, AvikB, and myself, would below suggestions work and be factual correct?
The question marks at the bottom yet need to be filled in.Quote- there is a frequent patch zip file thats uploaded to the same location to fix bugs or sometimes introduce new features
name:
nightly patch
why:
to patch recently found issues
how:
download, extract files, copy and overwrite existing files in the existing installation folder
effects on present configuration and settings:
none
requisite:
a stable version must be installed
etc.etc.
One thing that concern me is the nightly patch, is these patch safe for the user? or should they wait till Steven releases the patch including the full installer?
i am not to keen on adding a patch section. This will require Steven to update that whenever a new patch is released, which is quite often.
and when a some patches are tested and stable enough they released as MusicBee x Update 1.
So there really may not be much of a point of including a download patch button.
i think the downloads page should only be linking to the stable release and the latest beta which will both have an installer.
for the very latest version thats updated almost daily, it will never have an installer and is only really needed by people who have reported bugs or who follow the forum and want to try out the very latest feature.
I guess there could be something on the forum page to get the daily one as that will be useful rather than having to provide instructions to new users every time, but the wording shouldnt make any promises about it being daily/ nightly and make the install instructions clear that there is no installer.
V3 has been done differently to the usual case because it was such a major rewrite and i cant imagine ever doing that again.
This sites is really fantasic! I love it!
I found a little typo into download page: it say that the last versione is 2.5.5809, but even after that i download it, on musicbee it say that i have the 5804 version.
Also a question: what does it mean that is compatible with groove? O_o
I guess there could be something on the forum page to get the daily one as that will be useful rather than having to provide instructions to new users every time, but the wording shouldnt make any promises about it being daily/ nightly and make the install instructions clear that there is no installer.Please do. A brief description would be most welcome.
thanks you! I'm not following that much about the new MB3, so I didn't knew about it!This sites is really fantasic! I love it!
I found a little typo into download page: it say that the last versione is 2.5.5809, but even after that i download it, on musicbee it say that i have the 5804 version.
Also a question: what does it mean that is compatible with groove? O_o
Thats not a typo, ;) i was just testing the new admin panel(mainly playing around) which can make those version and download link update dynamic, means steven would be able to do it without editing html file.
The site is not final so some information may look outdated, but they will get updated regularly once we release it.
The new MusicBee 3 support groove music market place. Go to Music Explorer and there you will be able to browser groove.
blablabla
Under 'Download MusicBee' it currently saysYes to all of the above!! Especially the "might be some leftovers..." That line should go.
"We hope you'll enjoy your music experience with MusicBee!"
That sounds slightly weak, maybe better:
"Start enjoying your music experience with MusicBee!"
Under 'Installer Edition'
There is some explanation about possible traces of leftovers. I would not put that text there. That will be taken by many as an alarming thing and might make people uncertain and starting asking lots of questions: "if it's safe?"
Under 'Portable edition' it mentions USB drives, but not that you can also install it on your desktop, on another partition, etc.
I would suggest to keep these two short and simple:
Installer Edition
This version will install MusicBee on your Windows system drive
Portable Edition
This version can be installed on other locations, such as another partition, or a USB drive.
It might be good to add a link such as: "which version to choose", explaining the differences between installer en portable in more detail.
That will also help to prevent the often recurring question on the forum about that.
So we keep having the already familiar 'latest patch'.i would rather not have it on the downloads page because (a) there is no installer; (b) its really only intended to address specific bugs or introduce a new feature to people who follow the forum and might be interested and willing to report issues
Shouldn't that be on the download page too then?
Under 'Download MusicBee' it currently says
"We hope you'll enjoy your music experience with MusicBee!"
That sounds slightly weak, maybe better:
"Start enjoying your music experience with MusicBee!"
Under 'Installer Edition'
There is some explanation about possible traces of leftovers. I would not put that text there. That will be taken by many as an alarming thing and might make people uncertain and starting asking lots of questions: "if it's safe?"
Under 'Portable edition' it mentions USB drives, but not that you can also install it on your desktop, on another partition, etc.
I would suggest to keep these two short and simple:
Installer Edition
This version will install MusicBee on your Windows system drive
Portable Edition
This version can be installed on other locations, such as another partition, or a USB drive.
It might be good to add a link such as: "which version to choose", explaining the differences between installer en portable in more detail.
That will also help to prevent the often recurring question on the forum about that.
The MusicBee Beta bar at the bottom is very prominent, and has a different layout and structure than the Installer and Portable edition which most new users will want to download.Well yes that section has different layout and color, but it matches the layout perfectly. As for new user there is one BIG warning sign and a text in BOLD warning users, even after that if they download it, well nothing can stop them :/
And there is a large exclamation mark. Which is good, but adding that on the primary download page might add to possible alarming feelings with new users coming there.
Wouldn't it be better for the Beta version to have a similar large button as the Installer and Portable editions, with the text 'MusicBee Beta', and instead of 'start download', only say "go to the Beta page".I am not keen on creating a page for beta, maintaining two page is a hassle. as for cleaner, the current download page looks already clean. also i am trying to keep both beta and stable in single page, so user don't have to guess or fiddling around to get both version.
In that way the main download page will look a lot cleaner, and on the dedicated Beta page there will be more opportunity to explain Beta better.
And, if I understand correctly, there are not going to be items as alpha, nightly, pre-release, etc.
So we keep having the already familiar 'latest patch'.
Shouldn't that be on the download page too then?
It might be good to add a link such as: "which version to choose", explaining the differences between installer en portable in more detail.
That will also help to prevent the often recurring question on the forum about that.
Good, idea. But instead of link, i will add a popup which will open on mouse hover. Here is what i did:
(http://i.imgur.com/jm26NI3.jpg)
also can you guys provide some description to put in that popup. I am clearly out of idea of what to include there??
also can you guys provide some description to put in that popup. I am clearly out of idea of what to include there??
I will make a draft for that. How much text will fit there?
Well yes that section has different layout and color, but it matches the layout perfectly. As for new user there is one BIG warning sign and a text in BOLD warning users, even after that if they download it, well nothing can stop them :/
As for explaining i HIGHLY doubt steven would wan't that for beta releases.
at this point the download page is pretty much final, there won't be any major layout change. I also did change the headline and others you mentioned.
I will make a draft for that. How much text will fit there?Make it short and brief, MAYBE under 30 words or less. less is always better as i highly doubt user will read LONG descriptions!
Remove [installer edition:]I will make a draft for that. How much text will fit there?Make it short and brief, MAYBE under 30 words or less. less is always better as i highly doubt user will read LONG descriptions!
installer edition:
This version will install MusicBee on the Windows system drive.
portable edition:
This version gives you the option to install MusicBee in a location or on a USB drive of your own choosing.
I put the focus on both, People will download what they like. I am sure most people will stay away from the beta since the warning sign and the bold warning text are enough. I don't see any reason to split them up in different pages.Well yes that section has different layout and color, but it matches the layout perfectly. As for new user there is one BIG warning sign and a text in BOLD warning users, even after that if they download it, well nothing can stop them :/
That's kind of why I was bringing this up. It is big and bold.
This Beta stuff is taking up a very big part of the whole page, while I feel the focus there should be on the stable versions.
Also, is it confirmed that there actually will be downloadable, installable Beta version that will require all this space?
(apologies if I haven't followed the comments about that too well)
That yellow box in the beta section will have those warning. Steven will be able to update it as often as needed.QuoteAs for explaining i HIGHLY doubt steven would wan't that for beta releases.
By explaining, I didn't mean the ins-and-outs and details of a current and specific beta release.
I meant only explaining that beta = pre-relase, unstable, own risk, blablabla
Quoteat this point the download page is pretty much final, there won't be any major layout change. I also did change the headline and others you mentioned.
Great, Ill shut up until the next round ;-)
Remove [installer edition:]I will make a draft for that. How much text will fit there?Make it short and brief, MAYBE under 30 words or less. less is always better as i highly doubt user will read LONG descriptions!
installer edition:
This version will install MusicBee on the Windows system drive.
portable edition:
This version gives you the option to install MusicBee in a location or on a USB drive of your own choosing.
Replace with:
Installer Version:
This version will install MusicBee on the Windows system drive.
There is no functional difference between this and the portable version.
Remove [portable edition:]
Replace with:
Portable Version:
This version gives you the option to install MusicBee in the location of your choice or on a USB drive.
Remove [portable edition:]
Replace with:
Portable Version:
@hiccup, the installer description you provided is already under the installer edition header. so no point in repeating, i like the phred's suggestion.
Remove [portable edition:]
Replace with:
Portable Version:
The buttons that AvikB created are also called Installer Edition, and Portable Edition. That's why I thought to be consistent in that.
There are no functional differences, but there are reasons to choose one or the other. Those reasons could be explained to new users who are new to the phenomenon of 'portable installation'
Also, differences between installer and portable can be experienced in relation to:
Windows 'protecting' it's system drive, administrator rights (enabling MB in context menu's), virus scanners, etc.
It would be good to summarize that in an understandable manner somewhere.
@hiccup, the installer description you provided is already under the installer edition header. so no point in repeating, i like the phred's suggestion.
I think we are having some confusion, and talking about some different things here.
From your screenshot, the button had the description:
This is a EXE or MSI file that can be installed in your system and may leave behaind some traces of the program even when uninstalled.
My suggestion for the pop-up was:
This version will install MusicBee on the Windows system drive.
Never mind, you'll figure out what to do with that now.
well here is the latest screenshot:
i did changed those under the headline according to your suggestion. i guess i should have been a bit clear :S
Understood. It really makes no difference "edition" or "version." I saw "version in the text below it and, for consistency, made it version. As long as they're all the same, either is fine. Pick one and go with it.Remove [portable edition:]
Replace with:
Portable Version:
The buttons that AvikB created are also called Installer Edition, and Portable Edition. That's why I thought to be consistent in that.
There are no functional differences, but there are reasons to choose one or the other. Those reasons could be explained to new users who are new to the phenomenon of 'portable installation'Yes, but we're trying to keep this description to under 30 words.
Also, differences between installer and portable can be experienced in relation to:
Windows 'protecting' it's system drive, administrator rights (enabling MB in context menu's), virus scanners, etc.
It would be good to summarize that in an understandable manner somewhere.
There are no functional differences, but there are reasons to choose one or the other. Those reasons could be explained to new users who are new to the phenomenon of 'portable installation'Yes, but we're trying to keep this description to under 30 words.
Also, differences between installer and portable can be experienced in relation to:
Windows 'protecting' it's system drive, administrator rights (enabling MB in context menu's), virus scanners, etc.
It would be good to summarize that in an understandable manner somewhere.
Maybe the words "differences between these versions (or editions)" and either hover for a pop-up or link to a simple chart.
well here is the latest screenshot:a) I still think XP should be included in the list of operating systems. MB -does- work under XP.
(http://i.imgur.com/PWBbCvl.jpg)
well here is the latest screenshot:a) I still think XP should be included in the list of operating systems. MB -does- work under XP.
(http://i.imgur.com/PWBbCvl.jpg)
b) Under "Portable Version:
This version can be installed in other locations, such as another partition or USB drive. (Get rip of the second comma)
c) Under "Get Portable Version:"
Change "Confused..." to Which version should I use?
okay i actually like the "Edition" better instead of "Version".There is no functional difference between the Installer and the Portable Editions.
here is the summery i put in there
(http://i.imgur.com/b7w2yox.jpg)
as benefits already mentioned under the headlines, i decided to use some general info for user.
Yes, but we're trying to keep this description to under 30 words.I'm not sure I could explain the above in 30 words, or in a simple chart.
Maybe the words "differences between these versions (or editions)" and either hover for a pop-up or link to a simple chart.
As a native English speaker, maybe you can give it a try?
a) I still think XP should be included in the list of operating systems. MB -does- work under XP.
Yes, but we're trying to keep this description to under 30 words.I'm not sure I could explain the above in 30 words, or in a simple chart.
Maybe the words "differences between these versions (or editions)" and either hover for a pop-up or link to a simple chart.
As a native English speaker, maybe you can give it a try?
Ah well, let nobody call me lazy. here's a kick-off to work from:
Most users will want to install the Installer Edition.
Reasons to choose for the Portable Edition:
- When you have no user rights to install MusicBee on the Windows system drive
- When you don't want MusicBee writing any files or folders to your Windows system drive
- When you are using antivirus software that over-aggressively protects the Windows folders
- When you want to install a portable version of MusicBee besides the version already installed on your system drive. Be warned, only do this when you are fully aware of possible risks on the integrity of your MusicBee library.
- When you want to have MusicBee running from a USB drive, and so also being able to take it with you and use it on other Windows computers
This is what happens when I'm working six to 10 hours behind you guys. :) I'm trying to catch up but it's a moving target!!! See my changes in red in the above quote.Yes, but we're trying to keep this description to under 30 words.I'm not sure I could explain the above in 30 words, or in a simple chart.
Maybe the words "differences between these versions (or editions)" and either hover for a pop-up or link to a simple chart.
As a native English speaker, maybe you can give it a try?
Ah well, let nobody call me lazy. here's a kick-off to work from:
Most users will want to download and use the Installer Edition.
Reasons to choose for the Portable Edition:
- If you have no user rights to install MusicBee on the Windows system drivered.
- If you don't want MusicBee creating any files or folders to your Windows system drivered.
- If you are using antivirus software that over-aggressively protects the Windows foldersred.
- If you want to install a portable version of MusicBee besides the version already installed on your system drive. Be warned, only do this when you are fully aware of possible risks on the integrity of your MusicBee library.
- If you want to have MusicBee running from a USB drive and also be able to take it with you and use it on other Windows computers.
There is no functional difference between the Installer and the Portable Editions.
i have made a simpler version of what you wrote, since all that is not possible in that small box.Excellent. I suggest removing the blank line between "Reasons to choose..." and the first point.
(http://i.imgur.com/6bAL3pb.jpg)
i did removed two points, as it probably is not that important.
a) I still think XP should be included in the list of operating systems. MB -does- work under XP.
I'm not 100% certain on this one. I could ask my professional Copy Editor wife when she comes home but isn't this line moot at this point?There is no functional difference between the Installer and the Portable Editions.
If 'editions' become plural, shouldn't it also become: 'there are no functional differences'?
i have made a simpler version of what you wrote, since all that is not possible in that small box.Excellent. I suggest removing the blank line between "Reasons to choose..." and the first point.
(http://i.imgur.com/6bAL3pb.jpg)
i did removed two points, as it probably is not that important.
good night.Nightynight guys, we've been productive...
HEY!!! It's still early here! I wanna play some more!
Is this updated site live? If so can we visit it?It's not live. It is only in test mode and probably won't be ready for a week or so. There's a link to the test site in the first post of this thread.
It's not live. It is only in test mode and probably won't be ready for a week or so. There's a link to the test site in the first post of this thread.
Is this updated site live? If so can we visit it?
FWIW, I was correct. The words "There is no..." is referring to the word "difference." If you were to use "differences" then the beginning of the sentence should be "There are no..."I'm not 100% certain on this one. I could ask my professional Copy Editor wife when she comes home but isn't this line moot at this point?There is no functional difference between the Installer and the Portable Editions.
If 'editions' become plural, shouldn't it also become: 'there are no functional differences'?
It's not live. It is only in test mode and probably won't be ready for a week or so. There's a link to the test site in the first post of this thread.
Is this updated site live? If so can we visit it?
it will take a few more days or week before the new site update is ready for testing.
I did had to redesign some core part of admin panel to utilize the ajax and also some new control for dashboard, so i had to put the dashboard work in halt. I will upload the new new site when the new dashboard and addon center is fully done :)
the PHP version and MySQL database upgrade is scheduled to happen 2am PST tomorrow
For the PHP version its not clear if the musicbee server will be upgraded to 5.5 or 5.6
- I noticed that when you open the homepage for a first time (clear cache), the MB screenshot does not display. It will as soon as you scroll down a little bit.Yes. I found this quite annoying. The entire home page was like this. Nothing showed until I scrolled down. And then it faded it. It should all be loaded when it first appears. We don't need fade ins, we don't need blinking. We don't need bells or whistles. Just let it be.
Wouldn't it be better to have that one displaying immediately? Now the homepage looks quite empty and a bit bland to start with, and it doesn't invite, or suggest you to scroll.
- I do like the design (and the icons etc.) of what you created as a footer.Again I agree with hiccup.
But, the "Add-ons for MusicBee" links there are a bit superfluous, since they are also at the top of the starting page, but in a different design.
That could be perceived a little bit confusing, 'is there a difference between header links and footer links'?
Maybe the menu on the top could get a little design magic dust too, a bit similar to the looks of the footer?
- there is a mention of your favourite artists and albums. (Nitpicking mode enabled), but I learned that preferred spelling was going to be US English, in which case it would be 'favorite'.Correct. But not an issue at this point. I will take care of this when I get the files for proofreading.
Correct. But not an issue at this point. I will take care of this when I get the files for proofreading.
No, not really. I'm sure I'll miss one or two of these and it's always good to have another set of eyes.Correct. But not an issue at this point. I will take care of this when I get the files for proofreading.
Ok, sorry, spoke too soon ;-)
Very nice AvikB, you've been spreading some more magic dust over the site.:) Glad it worked out.
The non-blurred fonts are loading quickly now, great.
- I noticed that when you open the homepage for a first time (clear cache), the MB screenshot does not display. It will as soon as you scroll down a little bit.Seems like a bug. Will be fixed in the next update. Thanks for pointing it out.
Wouldn't it be better to have that one displaying immediately? Now the homepage looks quite empty and a bit bland to start with, and it doesn't invite, or suggest you to scroll.
(http://i.imgur.com/rn9FFLZs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/rn9FFLZ.png)
- I do like the design (and the icons etc.) of what you created as a footer.No, they are not different. I put them there for better SEO, and noticeable for users. The old one has a description and just a link to wiki, i though it might good idea to make it a bit more inline with the design. the different design is because that it is on the footer and not in the navigation bar. I might add those icons in the nav bar too, haven't decided it yet.
But, the "Add-ons for MusicBee" links there are a bit superfluous, since they are also at the top of the starting page, but in a different design.
That could be perceived a little bit confusing, 'is there a difference between header links and footer links'?
Maybe the menu on the top could get a little design magic dust too, a bit similar to the looks of the footer?
- I notice there is an 'Equalizer' category under Addons. Do 'equalizer' addons actually exist?Well there is equalizer presets and DSP plugins, which is really nice. Since there are thousands of presets that can be achieved(i am sure you guys have some nifty custom one too), i though it might be a good idea to add it. It will save headache for new or even existing users to get the equalizer right.
- there is a mention of your favourite artists and albums. (Nitpicking mode enabled), but I learned that preferred spelling was going to be US English, in which case it would be 'favorite'.Phred is going to help me with the spelling correction thingy. I send him the download page today(since, it is final). The home page needs some few more element and then it will be final too. You might wanna check those spelling mistakes after Phred is done with it. :)
- There is this text:Thanks, i just copy and pasted some wording from the current website feature page :P , i thought it sounds weird, i will make the correction, and then rest is upto Phred to correct.
"Edit/View all tags with the extensive tag editor and the tag inspector. Manage duplicates, custom tags, Automatically organise library file names and structure, get song tags from online sources .... and a lot more"
There are some small errors in it, and to me it doesn't read too fluent.
Maybe change it a bit to something like this: ?
Edit and view tags with the extensive tag editor and MusicBee's Tag Inspector.
Explore near-unlimited possibilities by using virtual tags.
Manage duplicates, and have your library and it's structure automatically organized.
Get song tags from online sources .... and a lot more!
Yes. I found this quite annoying. The entire home page was like this. Nothing showed until I scrolled down. And then it faded it. It should all be loaded when it first appears. We don't need fade ins, we don't need blinking. We don't need bells or whistles. Just let it be.Well first Impression matters :P but anyway, this is mostly an experiment. even If the bug is fixed do you think i should remove it? i might need some input on these.
Again I agree with hiccup.It seems adding those icons in the nav bar will be a good idea.
Correct. But not an issue at this point. I will take care of this when I get the files for proofreading.already sent the download page, the home page will reach you tomorrow.
Well first Impression matters :P but anyway, this is mostly an experiment. even If the bug is fixed do you think i should remove it? i might need some input on these.
already sent the download page, the home page will reach you tomorrow.You posted this about an hour ago and I haven't received any email from you. I'm heading out for a couple of hours and hopefully it will be here when I get back.
Personally, I don't care much for eye-candy which doesn't seem to serve a specific and useful purpose. (not saying yours doesn't!)Well according to most research humans always tends to like shiny things :) ,i have fixed that image displaying issue. an update is pushed. Also addon drop menu now has icons.
Like most 'ingredients', such as flavoring food, dsp effects on music recordings, and maybe also eye-candy on websites, it's often at it's very best when you are not consciously aware that, or where it has been added.
But a very important thing is, the same as we all here appreciate that MusicBee only exists, and continues to develop and improve by the grace of Steven having fun doing it, I have a similar feeling about everything you have been doing lately. So please keep listening to constructive comments, but also keep having fun doing all this and keep making your own decisions. (as long as supported by S. of course ;-)
already sent the download page, the home page will reach you tomorrow.You posted this about an hour ago and I haven't received any email from you. I'm heading out for a couple of hours and hopefully it will be here when I get back.
another thing i confirmed with the steven is that there won't be any award section, as steven is not interested, so i decided to not include it.
Please ignore this, if I am repeating myself, and a decision on this has already been made and explained.
(I don't remember all conversations)
On the forum main page, the large blue button says:
Get the latest MusicBee. Make sure you always have the latest version.
This is fine, and useful for the purpose of drawing attention to using at least the latest stable release.
But on the forum, users reporting bugs and looking for solutions to a problem are very frequently told to "install the latest patch, since that probably already solved your issue". Also, it is not always clear to everybody where to find these patches.
It would be very helpful to also have 'a big button' with a download link to the latest patch. No need for explanation such as version history, solved issues etc.
But at least a link to it, and a short explanation: "download, copy files over to existing files in your MB installation folder blabla." would be very helpful.
So: one button "Get the latest MusicBee (stable)", and another one: "download the latest patch"
?
I wasn't aware an 'award section' was brought up or discussed, but thinking about it:
Wouldn't a link on the MB homepage to the forum's 'official MusicBee's appreciation thread' be good to have?
It's filled with positive and enthusiastic testimonials from users, and it could help warming the cold feet of new potential users.
It's also much more personal and trustworthy than a reward or review from some website.
Also can you confirm that image not showing until scroll issue is gone on the home page?
Well that is a big relief as the bug fixed.Also can you confirm that image not showing until scroll issue is gone on the home page?
Confirmed, it now shows. (Firefox, cleared cache)
I notice that that screenshot is drawn from top to bottom.
That is what I would call 'functional eyecandy', since it kinda suggests there is more to be seen when scrolling down.
The only thing is that that drawing is not done very smooth (it's a little bit jerky) Is it a very large image file?
Using Firefox and IE - both installs have never looked at the test site before - whatever doesn't fit in the open window does not show until I scroll down. And then the text and images slowly fade in to view.Also can you confirm that image not showing until scroll issue is gone on the home page?
Confirmed, it now shows. (Firefox, cleared cache)
I notice that that screenshot is drawn from top to bottom.
That is what I would call 'functional eyecandy', since it kinda suggests there is more to be seen when scrolling down.
The only thing is that that drawing is not done very smooth (it's a little bit jerky) Is it a very large image file?
for the forum page, i think the boxes at the top could be reduced in height so more of the forum page is visible.
For the wording in the "Get the Latest MusicBee" i was wanting it (or somewhere on the forum page) to show the instructions to get the latest patched version
I guess thats going to be potentially confusing to some people so the wording would need careful consideration. I dont have the inspiration at the moment for that but perhaps others can chp in?
http://test.getmusicbee.com/
just as a starting point for suggested wording (anyone feel free to improve it)
MusicBee Beta
The beta version is under active development and is not the current stable version. It is intended for anyone interested in trying the latest features or bug fixes.
You should regularly check the forum for updates.
To be sure we're all on the same page here; when you mention "Get the Latest MusicBee" here, do you want that to refer to the latest stable version, or to the latest patch? (download and overwrite existing files)yes this is only the forum i am talking about and only the latest patched version (so there is no installer and is for bug fixes or the first introduction of new features)
And you are strictly speaking about the forum page. Correct?
Using Firefox and IE - both installs have never looked at the test site before - whatever doesn't fit in the open window does not show until I scroll down. And then the text and images slowly fade in to view.
for the forum page, i think the boxes at the top could be reduced in height so more of the forum page is visible.Fixed for the next update
For the wording in the "Get the Latest MusicBee" i was wanting it (or somewhere on the forum page) to show the instructions to get the latest patched versionIf some one can choose the wording, i will update it. BUT the instruction needs to be really short, otherwise it won't fit in there.
I guess thats going to be potentially confusing to some people so the wording would need careful consideration. I dont have the inspiration at the moment for that but perhaps others can chp in?
for the forum page, i think the boxes at the top could be reduced in height so more of the forum page is visible.
For the wording in the "Get the Latest MusicBee" i was wanting it (or somewhere on the forum page) to show the instructions to get the latest patched version
I guess thats going to be potentially confusing to some people so the wording would need careful consideration. I dont have the inspiration at the moment for that but perhaps others can chp in?
To be sure we're all on the same page here; when you mention "Get the Latest MusicBee" here, do you want that to refer to the latest stable version, or to the latest patch? (download and overwrite existing files)
And you are strictly speaking about the forum page. Correct?
To be sure we're all on the same page here; when you mention "Get the Latest MusicBee" here, do you want that to refer to the latest stable version, or to the latest patch? (download and overwrite existing files)yes this is only the forum i am talking about and only the latest patched version (so there is no installer and is for bug fixes or the first introduction of new features)
And you are strictly speaking about the forum page. Correct?
thats why its potentially confusing.
I dont want the patched version on the downloads page for reasons i have stated previously
This might be a bit too long, but this is my suggestion for the "download latest patch" button:Nothing personal, but I don't like the "only if" description. Also, I think it's rather long. What's wrong with what Steven wrote (and I slightly modified) -
Download the latest patch
Download and install this only if you have a specific issue that was discussed an addressed in the forum.
Instructions: extract the downloaded files and copy (overwrite) them to your MusicBee installation folder.
This might be a bit too long, but this is my suggestion for the "download latest patch" button:Nothing personal, but I don't like the "only if" description. Also, I think it's rather long. What's wrong with what Steven wrote (and I slightly modified) -
Download the latest patch
Download and install this only if you have a specific issue that was discussed an addressed in the forum.
Instructions: extract the downloaded files and copy (overwrite) them to your MusicBee installation folder.
The beta version is under active development and is not the current stable version. It is intended for anyone interested in trying the latest features or bug fixes.
Nothing personal too, but I am leaving this matter now.I can see how I contributed to the confusion. AvikB sent me the 'download page' to look at and work on. And that's been clouding my brain regarding Steven's comments on the -forum- page. Although, in the interest of consistency, they should both say the same thing when referring to the latest -stable- version (2.5.5804 - released Nov 22 2015) and to any subsequent patches. And Steven has stated previously that 3.x is -not- a beta release yet. So should v3 even be mentioned at this point?
There is too much confusion going on here about forum vs website, download latest version vs latest patch vs latest beta, etc.
Steven asked himself for suggestions on wordings for download latest patch. I contributed for that.
And a question for Steven: Should the operating systems listed include XP or not? The current download page includes it. And it does indeed run on XP.
for the operating systems, i havent actually tested it on XP. I might do so this weekend but i am ok for now to leave it out
For inclusion on the download page, "Will debugging support continue for XP?" is the question that needs to be answered.you are right and the answer is no - so it shouldnt be included
MusicBee Beta
The beta version is under active development and is not the current stable version. It is intended for anyone interested in trying the latest features or bug fixes.
You should regularly check the forum for updates.
For inclusion on the download page, "Will debugging support continue for XP?" is the question that needs to be answered.you are right and the answer is no - so it shouldnt be included
A few suggestions:
Plus a whole lot more...
There are tons of features in MusicBee, check out MusicBee yourself. Also use the forum and don't forget to spread the word
Plus a whole lot more...
There are tons of features in MusicBee, use it yourself and see. Also check out the user forum and don't forget to spread the word!
I think this is good for the download pageMusicBee Beta
The beta version is under active development and is not the current stable version. It is intended for anyone interested in trying the latest features or bug fixes.
You should regularly check the forum for updates.
For the blue FORUM box
Already using MusicBee Beta?
Make sure you always have the latest patch!
Last update on December 16, 2015
download the latest patch (http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_5/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip)
and un-zip to your existing beta install folder
Plus a whole lot more...I like this with the changes.
There are tons of features in MusicBee. Use it yourself and see. Also check out the user forum and don't forget to spread the word!
MusicBee BetaI think either of the above work well in the blue forum box. Bee-liever's is the shortest and would fit well.
The beta version is under active development and is not the current stable version. It is intended for anyone interested in trying the latest features or bug fixes.
You should regularly check the forum for updates.
For the blue FORUM box
Already using MusicBee Beta?
Make sure you always have the latest patch!
Last update on December 16, 2015
download the latest patch (http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_5/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip)
and un-zip to your existing beta install folder
The "Have A Qustion? or Issue" section is mispelled and improper grammer, just so you knowThank you. That screenshot is just a mockup of the test page. It hasn't been proofread yet. But please continue to point out things like that.
Also the current forum and also the new forum both uses light theme. I personally don't use light theme in the night. I made a dark theme for my usage for the current forum and the new forum.
I am thinking of providing a switch for the forum to switch between this themes, Currently i am using stylish to use them. SO if anyone is interested in a demo(this works with the current site too) i can provide the script. Otherwise you have to wait for the next major update.
About the menu bar at the top of the website: (well, and the forum, they seem identical at this moment)
Some entries are drop-down menu's (add-ons e.g.), but most are effectively buttons.
Wouldn't it be better to have some distinction between such an entry being either a button or a drop-down menu?
Now when hovering over the 'buttons' I am awaiting and expecting a drop-down menu (which of course doesn't appear)
Now before you say anything about this WEIRD dropdown menu behavior, Coincidently the new forum also uses it(yes smf now use dropdown menu by default), without any dropdown icon. SO eventually you have to learn this weird menu behavior.
You will get used to it though.
It could be handy on a forum with dozens of boards, but on the MB forum users should easily be able to decide and find what they want without steering them in a direction with 3 options.i am one of those lazy bumps ;)
Also some new users might get lazy, and just click on one of those before doing some minor checking for the board they really need to go to.
Similar buttons which could have a good purpose though, would perhaps be buttons like:After giving some thoughts into this matter, i think i like your idea.
- Latest postings
- Todays postings (same as above, but limited to last 24 hours)
- This weeks most active board
Just throwing in a few ideas, I am sure we could come up with a few more if you like the general idea of this.
Similar buttons which could have a good purpose though, would perhaps be buttons like:The soon-to-be former forum had "Show unread posts since last visit." I haven't seen that in the new forum. Perhaps that could be added to the new dropdown. This is my starting point for every time I visit the forum.
- Latest postings
- Todays postings (same as above, but limited to last 24 hours)
- This weeks most active board
Just throwing in a few ideas, I am sure we could come up with a few more if you like the general idea of this.
Similar buttons which could have a good purpose though, would perhaps be buttons like:The soon-to-be former forum had "Show unread posts since last visit." I haven't seen that in the new forum. Perhaps that could be added to the new dropdown. This is my starting point for every time I visit the forum.
- Latest postings
- Todays postings (same as above, but limited to last 24 hours)
- This weeks most active board
Just throwing in a few ideas, I am sure we could come up with a few more if you like the general idea of this.
Is there any possibility of putting All Unread Topics as a link on the main forum page? That's the one I use the most.
Now by default the quick reply editor box SHOULD show at the bottom(can any one confirm? you will need to sign in before)
There are currently two home buttons and two login buttons with no indication on the difference. (web vs forum).
I think it would be good to indicate that.
(http://i.imgur.com/tnNijNss.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tnNijNs.png)
Will the new forum support avatars? Not that it's a big deal, but would be nice.I hope so. As for testing it is now enabled. but the final decision will be Steven's.
I am very afraid that making it so easy to insert those smileys, font sizes, colors etc. by presenting them by default, will quickly lead to a forum that might better suit Walt Disney.+10000000
Personally I would hide it.
Deep.
I am not very enthusiastic about people using smiley icons, all kinds of colorful fonts, etc. in forum posts when they don't serve an additional and specific purpose.They do serve a purpose. Like the font size, you can use bold font and a slightly big font to mark important things. Also colors add the readability and please eyes(unless someone write the whole forum in red ofc)
I am very afraid that making it so easy to insert those smileys, font sizes, colors etc. by presenting them by default, will quickly lead to a forum that might better suit Walt Disney.Smileys were always there by default, they don't pose any threat. as for font size and colors i am not too keen on hiding them.
Personally I would hide it.Options are always good. Specially announcement thread, readme thread, even bug report thread, addon submission thread really need these to make the content popup, while being distraction free.
Deep.
Now by default the quick reply editor box SHOULD show at the bottom(can any one confirm? you will need to sign in before)
Yes, the quick reply editor shows.
Using the dark theme: when you click 'quote', the text in the editor window is almost as black as the background and therefor unreadable.
If you hover-over with the mouse, it gets light and you can read it.
I am not very enthusiastic about people using smiley icons, all kinds of colorful fonts, etc. in forum posts when they don't serve an additional and specific purpose.They do serve a purpose. Like the font size, you can use bold font and a slightly big font to mark important things. Also colors add the readability and please eyes(unless someone write the whole forum in red ofc)
I am very afraid that making it so easy to insert those smileys, font sizes, colors etc. by presenting them by default, will quickly lead to a forum that might better suit Walt Disney.
Smileys were always there by default, they don't pose any threat. as for font size and colors i am not too keen on hiding them.
If anyone abuse them anyway mods can warn them and on repetitive behavior ban them.
Will the new forum support avatars? Not that it's a big deal, but would be nice.Lord, no.
I read many many books and newspapers, all without different sized fonts, funny colors, smileys, giving me perfectly good information.
People should in basics just use plain and understandable language to communicate.
You find they serve a purpose for readability, to me they work the exact opposite, and makes it more difficult for me to quickly get the the gist of the question/message.
I am not saying this to put my foot down or anything, but honestly: the chances that I will answer questions from users that will add those 'funny stuff' to postings will be much, much slimmer than me answering a well written and explained question.
And as my role as moderator, the last thing I am waiting for to have to do is to reprimand users because needless use of smileys, colors, large fonts etc.
Thankfully until now it's not a kindergarten here, and I really hope it stays that way.
Please, of course no offense AvikB, but as you can see I feel quite strongly about this.
Will the new forum support avatars? Not that it's a big deal, but would be nice.Lord, no.
If you must, make sure that there is an option to hide them, and sigs, and any other personalization junk. This isn't 4chan.
Lord, no.
If you must, make sure that there is an option to hide them, and sigs, and any other personalization junk. This isn't 4chan.
Using the dark theme: when you click 'quote', the text in the editor window is almost as black as the background and therefor unreadable.
If you hover-over with the mouse, it gets light and you can read it.
any screenshot?
I do agree at some point. Lets get few fact straight:
Basic and necessary button that are required:
Bold, Italic, Underline, Strike, image, link, code, quote(I REFUSE TO REMOVE CODE AND QUOTE!, specially typing the blockquote is really not intuitive and painful)
The way it was available to be found (with some effort) on the current forum seemed to work very well in my personal opinion.The problem is not everyone is used to use bbcodes. Heck i even sometime confused them with HTML codes.
But what I do agree with you on, is that there have been two very often recurring 'problems' for posters:
1. Adding a screenshot.Yep, they are easy to add and hardly require any explanation. Explanation(or docs) if required, will come in a later date. But markdown is WAY easier and better than this bbcode, maybe one day smf will move to markdown.
I think I saw you have an entry for that now? (I'll have to check yet how that works)
2. Adding code.
Many users post code without this feature, what results in very large text and postings.
So it's a very good idea to have that one easily available. With some explanation!.
I could also agree on having 'bold' and 'underlined'.Oops, no more help is now included.(even smf stuff got tired of updating their document, i guess :P)
For all the other options, in my personal opinion they can be hidden, only to be found when users take the small effort to go to help > forum > posting
(hmm, I see that's gone now in the current smf 2.0.11 forum?)
i disabled attachments (and dont plan to enable them in the live forum)So the word "attachments" is hardcoded into SMF and can't be removed, right?
i disabled attachments (and dont plan to enable them in the live forum)So the word "attachments" is hardcoded into SMF and can't be removed, right?
What about the "Lock Topic" option? Can that be set to be visible to moderators only?
you can already do this by going to your profile and disable avatars and sigs.
Yes, please email it to me and I'll take a look at it.i disabled attachments (and dont plan to enable them in the live forum)So the word "attachments" is hardcoded into SMF and can't be removed, right?
What about the "Lock Topic" option? Can that be set to be visible to moderators only?
No, it can be changes via language file. I can send you the file if you want to change few of these terms.
as for lock topic, in the current forum it is available for users, i don't see any reason to disable it in future. :/Ahhh ... I didn't realize that was available to all on the original forum. I thought I was seeing it because of my mod status.
Quoteyou can already do this by going to your profile and disable avatars and sigs.
I recognize that. My post was a hope that such a setting exists in the new setup.
Trying to add a sig in the new forum and I can't see what I'm typing. The box is too small resulting in not being able to see what I'm typing. Also the maximum number of character counter doesn't reflect the actual number of characters used. Nor does it reset from 0 to 300 when the box is cleared. Lastly, a limit of 300 would prevent my current sig from being used.Thanks to Phred for reporting this bug. The editor should be big. For the remaining character i will see what i can do.
Also those big colorful boxes are now on the side for less scrolling. In future you will be able to hide them.
I have reverted back from the sidebar. But in future there will be a option to hide it. SO might not be a big deal for users who want their forum page to be clean.Also those big colorful boxes are now on the side for less scrolling. In future you will be able to hide them.
Strongly disagree with this change.
Regardless of whether the blue box points to the latest patch or version, I think it, and the red box that informs about having the latest version before posting a bug, should be "front and center" across the page.
It's also totally at odds to the website form of scrolling down the page for more info.Is this about the home page where you have to scroll down to see more info?
i have to say the home page is really great how it looks, behaves and the general layout.I think this could lead Steven into a path of much more work coming from issues raised by audiophiles. Not saying that there aren't already audiophiles using MB, but if MB is pushed as an audiophile tool, requests for fixes and enhancements may push Steven over the edge.
The only thing i am not completely comfortable with is the quality section. Maybe just the bit about "...making MusicBee a favourite among audiophiles."
and the quality guide section (but I guess it depends on what you had in mind for that).
Also for "The ULTIMATE...", i am not sure about that. To me that comes accross as overselling, but perhaps others might comment on that.If "ULTIMATE" is going to be used, and I too am not sure it should, then it should be "unlimate" no caps. Or perhaps only the first letter cap "Ultimate"
But other than that, the rest of it is jusr fantastic
I can confirm that the editor box is larger and works better now. However, there's a small "block" bottom center of the box which turns my cursor to a "link" when hovering over it. But it's not a link.QuoteTrying to add a sig in the new forum and I can't see what I'm typing. The box is too small resulting in not being able to see what I'm typing. Also the maximum number of character counter doesn't reflect the actual number of characters used. Nor does it reset from 0 to 300 when the box is cleared. Lastly, a limit of 300 would prevent my current sig from being used.Thanks to Phred for reporting this bug. The editor should be big. For the remaining character i will see what i can do.
The only thing i am not completely comfortable with is the quality section. Maybe just the bit about "...making MusicBee a favourite among audiophiles."
and the quality guide section (but I guess it depends on what you had in mind for that).
Also for "The ULTIMATE...", i am not sure about that. To me that comes accross as overselling, but perhaps others might comment on that.
Sound quality mattersyes i like that better
Wheter you play your music on an audiophile setup or on a laptop, MusicBee is designed with the features to fulfill all those needs.
Sound quality mattersyes i like that better
Whether you play your music on an audiophile setup or on a laptop, MusicBee is designed with the features to fulfill all those needs.
Have read the comments in the other forum about this. I like having the options for colours, font size, etc readily available. Maybe, as a compromise, the options to post using;could be turned of for newbie members
- hyperlinks
- video
- font size
- colour
i have to say the home page is really great how it looks, behaves and the general layout.
The only thing i am not completely comfortable with is the quality section. Maybe just the bit about "...making MusicBee a favourite among audiophiles."
and the quality guide section (but I guess it depends on what you had in mind for that).
Also for "The ULTIMATE...", i am not sure about that. To me that comes accross as overselling, but perhaps others might comment on that.
But other than that, the rest of it is jusr fantastic
I think this could lead Steven into a path of much more work coming from issues raised by audiophiles. Not saying that there aren't already audiophiles using MB, but if MB is pushed as an audiophile tool, requests for fixes and enhancements may push Steven over the edge.I directly copy and pasted it from the current website's feature page :P
If "ULTIMATE" is going to be used, and I too am not sure it should, then it should be "unlimate" no caps. Or perhaps only the first letter cap "Ultimate"
'Ultimate' sounds very enthusiastic to my ears, but I think it is appropriate.
Just as ultimate holiday, ultimate atmosphere, ultimate experience, etc.
Saying something like 'the best' would be very self-boasting, but this says that if you need a player/organizer, this is the ultimate one to get.
If you really don't like it, maybe change it to 'essential' or something like that?
About the 'Quality Matters' section:
The part of making an assumption on audiophiles choices could be a little bit questionable.
Maybe change it something along these lines:
Sound quality matters
Wheter you play your music on an audiophile setup or on a laptop, MusicBee is designed with the features to fulfill all those needs.
@Phred, proofreading please ;-)
Wheter you play your music on an audiophile setup or on a laptop, MusicBee is designed with the features to fulfill all those needs.
That is a clever and nice compromise you have worked out.Thanks to B33Liver for the idea.
I notice the screenshot icon was also removed for newbees. Is that intentional?I guess.. I will probably add it back in the next update.
That would probably be a useful feature for them to have.
I can confirm that the editor box is larger and works better now. However, there's a small "block" bottom center of the box which turns my cursor to a "link" when hovering over it. But it's not a link.
Yes, please do. It's probably one of the most often asked questions/comments. "I tried to post a screenshot but couldn't figure out how."I notice the screenshot icon was also removed for newbees. Is that intentional?I guess.. I will probably add it back in the next update.
That would probably be a useful feature for them to have.
That's in a box in the middle of the "quality matters" section.Wheter you play your music on an audiophile setup or on a laptop, MusicBee is designed with the features to fulfill all those needs.
Might be worth mentioning that MusicBee can support 'bit-perfect' playback modes (ASIO and WASAPI), which is important to audiophiles.
How can I delete all my posts in this forum by just one click?
If not possible currently, can you add such a feature?
How can I delete all my posts in this forum by just one click?
If not possible currently, can you add such a feature?
Nope. You can't. It will require a mod or some sql query on the database. which will break the forum structure. Also you will NEVER be able to delete if someone quoted your text. just not possible.
How can I delete all my posts in this forum by just one click?
If not possible currently, can you add such a feature?
Nope. You can't. It will require a mod or some sql query on the database. which will break the forum structure. Also you will NEVER be able to delete if someone quoted your text. just not possible.
Then what's this about?
http://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Profile#Delete_This_Account
I thought only admins have the ability of removing all posts of a member, so asked to give the same ability to the user him/herself.
How can I delete all my posts in this forum by just one click?Speaking strictly for myself, why would you (of all people) want to delete all your posts from the forum? I can understand if you've moved on from MB. Or if you just don't want to participate in the forum any longer. But I have learned quite a lot from your posts. These posts may help new users discover and find things that they didn't know about. You've posted many great items in the Tips and Tricks section. You've left quite bit of knowledge in your wake and I'd hate to see it disappear.
If not possible currently, can you add such a feature?
Simply because V3 doesn't work for me. I won't support this project any more.this is quite dissapointing to me personally. Is there anything more you are willing to describe in terms of "V3 doesnt work for me" eg. is it technical, or that simply that there are UI descisions you dont agree with?
I will leave my posts and skins, etc. available until v2.5 is maintained. After that, I'll remove them not to mislead people with outdated info after my withdrawal from the forum.
I will leave my posts and skins, etc. available until v2.5 is maintained. After that, I'll remove them not to mislead people with outdated info after my withdrawal from the forum.
There's something funky still going on with the notifications part of the recent forum update. I am not getting email notifications, nor popup notifications when I have a new PM waiting. And I am not getting email notifications when replies are posted to threads I'm watching. This was working flawlessly with SMF 1.x. It seemed to work briefly after the change to 2.x but now it's kind of sketchy. The PM notifications seem to 100% never. (Except for one PM I rec'd from Steven shortly after the upgrade.) Subscribed thread notices seem somewhat willy-nilly. Some I get, most I don't. I'm looking for a common denominator here, but so far I haven't been able to pin it down.
see this topic. I think its probably the MusicBee hosting company at fault:There's something funky still going on with the notifications part of the recent forum update. I am not getting email notifications, nor popup notifications when I have a new PM waiting. And I am not getting email notifications when replies are posted to threads I'm watching. This was working flawlessly with SMF 1.x. It seemed to work briefly after the change to 2.x but now it's kind of sketchy. The PM notifications seem to 100% never. (Except for one PM I rec'd from Steven shortly after the upgrade.) Subscribed thread notices seem somewhat willy-nilly. Some I get, most I don't. I'm looking for a common denominator here, but so far I haven't been able to pin it down.
I will look knto it when the forum theaming is complete. Hopefully it can be fixed.
Is it same for the demo forum too?
see this topic. I think its probably the MusicBee hosting company at fault:Well i guess only your hosting company can solve this if the server is blacklisted.
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=17065.0
I have seen members like phred, and few others like to put musicbee version on their sig. I might create musicbee version badge which will always show the latest musicbee version. so no more sig editing. :)Quite frankly, once I had the sig set, I never had to edit it as the link was static. MB patches were also posted to the same link. Personally, I'll hold any judgement about the badges until I see them.
Quite frankly, once I had the sig set, I never had to edit it as the link was static. MB patches were also posted to the same link. Personally, I'll hold any judgement about the badges until I see them.huh, i never noticed that the url don't change :S , but still you need to update the info on the sig tho.
The drop down line appearing with suggested names for the recipient is very hard to read.
Also it extends very wide to the right beyond the border of the specific pane.
2.
When the recipient has been selected, he disappears from the 'To' field, and is relocated somewhere below under BCC, which gives the impression that that member will be bcc'ed, instead of being the main recipient.
3.
Some coloring might be improved on.
1 and 2 are difficult to read.
3, the green and red buttons kind of stick out like a sore thumb on this dark theme.
This one is not about cosmetics;
I would prefer having CC as a (primary) option, not BCC, since I believe the need for CC will be much higher than for BCC.
Also I feel BCC is a bit of a dishonest way of using mailing/posting which should be avoided as much as possible.
A few cosmetic observations on the dark theme for the forum:
1.
The drop down line appearing with suggested names for the recipient is very hard to read.
Also it extends very wide to the right beyond the border of the specific pane.
2.
When the recipient has been selected, he disappears from the 'To' field, and is relocated somewhere below under BCC, which gives the impression that that member will be bcc'ed, instead of being the main recipient.
3.
Some coloring might be improved on.
1 and 2 are difficult to read.
3, the green and red buttons kind of stick out like a sore thumb on this dark theme.
4.
This one is not about cosmetics;
I would prefer having CC as a (primary) option, not BCC, since I believe the need for CC will be much higher than for BCC.
Also I feel BCC is a bit of a dishonest way of using mailing/posting which should be avoided as much as possible.
When logged in on the forum, I see no 'messaging center'. I believe a number is shown with the little guy icon when you received a message, but otherwise I can find no direct link to go to your messages to e.g. create a new one.Yes as of now it will show the numbers when you ONLY receive a new message. I have removed the 0 beside the bell since there is no point of showing it.
I notice it is still BCC. Do you intend to change to CC, or have you decided against that suggestion?I haven't look into this. It should be fixed in the next update.
When using the dark theme, I notice sometimes a child board button has a slightly lighter font color. That is probably meant to indicate something, but in the light theme I notice no such font color/brightness differences.If you visited the link one, it will have dim color(it is the only difference between the light and dark theme, i probably wont fix it, as it is not a bug nor intended), other than that when a new post is made to a child board, that child board will have a bolder font.
The 'remove' buttons here could probably be graphically improved a bit to be a little bit clearer.It is the default one smf uses. But yeah i will change them in the next update.
And some nutritious baby-bugs for you concerning some locations having those ugly-edgy fonts:
When logged in on the forum, I see no 'messaging center'. I believe a number is shown with the little guy icon when you received a message, but otherwise I can find no direct link to go to your messages to e.g. create a new one.Yes as of now it will show the numbers when you ONLY receive a new message. I have removed the 0 beside the bell since there is no point of showing it.
Yes, but suppose:
You login to the forum, have no new messages, and want to create a PM.
How do you get to your 'message center' to do that?
Fuggedabout it. I now see a 'bell' icon at the top menu.
I would swear it wasn't there earlier, but it's probably me.
I just looked into the cc, bcc matter. Curently that field you are referring as bcc is actually cc, you have to click on the add bcc to add bcc.
I just looked into the cc, bcc matter. Curently that field you are referring as bcc is actually cc, you have to click on the add bcc to add bcc.
Maybe I am a bit thick, but I don't see a field referencing anything concerning cc at all.
All you can do is add more recipients.
(http://i.imgur.com/sMNAoZVl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sMNAoZV.png)
The To and CC fields work similarly. Whether you put four email addresses in the To field or put one email address in the To field and three in the CC field, the four people will all receive the same email. They’ll also be able to see every other recipients’ email address.
When it comes to email etiquette, the To field is generally used for the main recipients of your email. The CC field is used to send a copy to other interested parties for their information. This isn’t a concrete rule, and usage of To and CC can vary.
Well,since the current forum have no Cc field, i cant add it. I think To and Cc should do the same job as it is available.
Another request comes to mind.
As a moderator, once in a while you have to move a post from one thread to another because the poster choose the wrong thread/board to post it.
It would be decent to inform the OP by PM that that was done, so he might learn from it, and he can find his post in the new location.
With the current forum when moving such a post, you can only select to inform about moving the post in the thread itself, so leaving traces of that in the thread you were trying to keep clean in the first place.
I sometimes inform the OP by sending a PM when I relocated his post, but that is an effort I could do without.
Does the new forum engine allow to have a simple checkbox in the 'move post' pane called something like "inform OP about his post being moved"?
Well,since the current forum have no Cc field, i cant add it. I think To and Cc should do the same job as it is available.
Ok, thnx for looking into this.
It seems SMF just has a crippled implementation of the To/Cc/Bcc concept.
@AvikB,Yes, pretty much, when choosing skin few more fileds(like colors, theme... these optional fields) will show up(haven't implemented it yet, WIP), as for other kinds of addons, yes those will be the all of the process.
this is just to confirm i understand the process around addons and skins
- the same process applies to skins and to addons
- a developer creates a topic on the forum for their initial skin/ addonYes, this is the process i am targetting
- 1) the forum add-on version can go through a number of iterations on the forum
- when the developer feels the skin/ addon is ready, he can use this dashboard submit the skin/addon
- question: does an admin(/ moderator?) need to give that user any permissions beforehand or can anyone submit a skin/ addon?When you go to dashboard you can see your rank there, for now there are four ranks, Admin, Mod, Elite, Newbie.
- then an admin(/ moderator) accepts the submission so it now appears on the main web-site Skin/ Addons linkIf the user updates the addon but does not have more that 5 addon, mods/admin will need to re-allow them.
- if further changes are made, then the steps from 1) are repeated
- i noticed a "Reported Issues" link - how do you see that working? I would have thought that reporting issues on the forum topic would be best for thatYes, it will get removed in next update, forum will be used as default issue reporting place.
- this is where i am quite hazy - you mentioned about linking the Addon(/ skins?) to a major musicbee version. Could you explain this some moreHere is the idea behind the major version idea:
- as a FYI: i try to make sure all MB versions are backwards compatible with old plugins. For v3, there are a couple of my last.fm plugins that will break and need a new version. But thats the exception rather than the rule. For skins, although they wont break with v3,a number wont work very well. I'm not sure we need to tie skins to major MB versions
What is the purpose of this? Why is this necessary? What is the thinking behind it?- question: does an admin(/ moderator?) need to give that user any permissions beforehand or can anyone submit a skin/ addon?When you go to dashboard you can see your rank there, for now there are four ranks, Admin, Mod, Elite, Newbie.
For Newbie users, they can add/update addon BUT admin/mod have to review and allow it, admin/mod can allow it through dashboard(WIP).
For Elite User they can add or update any addon as they fit.
WHEN a newbie users has atleast of 5 addon(could be any category skin, visualizer, plugins, theater mode but Equalizer does not count) on their dashboard, they will be able to add/update addons easily.
For Elite rank, you need atleast 20 addon(equalizer does not count) to get that rank.
All these 5 addon, 20 addon requirement is a example, you can suggest me the amount that required. It is just an example of how the system works.
What is the purpose of this? Why is this necessary? What is the thinking behind it?
Just my two cents here, but we've never had problems such as you describe before. It seems to me we're putting more restrictions in the way of users who are trying to contribute to the MB community. It's not my decision to implement this or not, but I feel that I have to say something.The restrictions are only when the devs want it to available in the addon center. But they can use the forum for their base ground and only add when it gets popular or it is really good.
@Steven, AvikBHaven't decided a new logo(modern version of the current one), will do it at the last stage.
I just realized there's no MusicBee logo on the new website. Nor on the new forum. Is this intentional or an oversight?
i would like to spend time checking this out but right now i am quite swampedTake your time, i will do some tweaking and fixing bugs and adding few more features.
i hope to check it out in the next few days
if this is true then a new picture would be needed which is a shame as it looks really good.While I don't know a good source for free stock images, I did confirm with a friend that the current image is close enough to be considered offensive by some.
does anyone know a good source for free stock images?
if this is true then a new picture would be needed which is a shame as it looks really good.While I don't know a good source for free stock images, I did confirm with a friend that the current image is close enough to be considered offensive by some.
does anyone know a good source for free stock images?
suggest me any pics that you guys like.
What is the license of that wallpaper?suggest me any pics that you guys like.
If you are looking for something similar, perhaps this:
http://www.goodwp.com/music/16590-light-hands-concert-scene.html
What is the license of that wallpaper?
That's not very clear to me.
But at the bottom of that page it says:
"GoodWP.com - HD desktop wallpapers
Download wallpaper scene, light, hands, concert for free with resolution 1920x1080 pix"
And there is no mention anywhere about any possible legal restrictions.
But if that website as a whole is trustworthy, I don't know really.
You can do a Google image search with a license filter (and size).
1. Search "concert crowd" and pick "images" on Google.
2. Once you're there, click on "search tools"
3. Pick a "Size" and filter by "Usage Rights"
Lots of interesting images labelled for reuse (CC license), like this one for example which is license as CC-SA:
Wouldn't it make sense to use an image more related to home audio (like headphones or a photo of a nice high end audio setup)? I can see how the live crowd relays an idea of excitement and joy, but it's 1. not very related to MB 2. it looks rather bland.I agree with vpsaxman.
How about something more like this (but with a better image):
(http://i.imgur.com/Bn5EXcz.png)ahh, i like this image, clean and elegant! how about this:
Too bad it's a Mac in the background, which could be misleading.
That's also beautiful. Maybe have that in some gradient overflow with the current candidate picture?
And in some countries music is forbidden.wait there are countries with music ban? that is outrageous!
Come on. We can't please 100% of the people.
Yet I do agree with the sentiment that the picture is showing a slightly narrow aspect, namely live pop music.
So if somebody could present a good photo/illustration representing some more diversity with pop/classical/electro/live/studio/concert/home etc. that might be even better.
But it would take some skills and talent to do that in one image without getting crowded and messy.
Or, use this picture as the main background picture, and try to insert and present a few others in a tasteful manner. (sliding? fading in/out?)
Wouldn't it make sense to use an image more related to home audio (like headphones or a photo of a nice high end audio setup)? I can see how the live crowd relays an idea of excitement and joy, but it's 1. not very related to MB 2. it looks rather bland.i do agree, i like the ones you suggested to me, i have also removed the apple logo. If that is suitable i would use it.
And 3) the new image contains -almost- the same potentially offense hand gesture.hmm..... i knew someone would point it :P
I'd also suggest, in the interest of being politically correct, deleting the initial image so no one gets offended.
ahh, i like this image, clean and elegant! how about this:
(http://i.imgur.com/aOzr7qm.jpg)
no more apple logo!
This is the kind of setting I can picture most MB user using.It would be dream to have a setup like this(except for the mac part, i am windows only person) :)
The question now is, even with the apple gone, would it be misleading for someone who doesn't know MusicBee and is an Apple user? It seems to me the focus of the image is more on the speaker so it could be suitable.I don't think that would be a problem, there is a giant download now button saying that it is for windows user.
Wouldn't it be nice indeed? :)
It would be dream to have a setup like this(except for the mac part, i am windows only person) :)
I don't think that would be a problem, there is a giant download now button saying that it is for windows user.Right. Well, I dig that picture but there are many more options if anyone can find a better one.
well it is upto you guys, if most people agree on this, i can make the change permanent.I don't think that would be a problem, there is a giant download now button saying that it is for windows user.Right. Well, I dig that picture but there are many more options if anyone can find a better one.
That's also beautiful. Maybe have that in some gradient overflow with the current candidate picture?what do you mean about having the grad overflow?
^^^Put somebody in that chair wearing headphones and you'll have it.
^^^Put somebody in that chair wearing headphones and you'll have it.
That was exactly what was in my mind too ;-)
But that is really way beyond my Photoshopping skills.
That was exactly what was in my mind too ;-)
But that is really way beyond my Photoshopping skills.
That was exactly what was in my mind too ;-)
But that is really way beyond my Photoshopping skills.
;-)
Thnx for the compliment.
It was not worth putting any serious effort in the man in the chair, since it comes from a licensed commercial photograph.
When it was a picture from a concert, that said "fun and happy" which i thought was a nice message to associate with MusicBeeAll good points. I withdraw my request/comment.
With the speaker on the desk (which i liked apart from the man with the backpack) the message to me was musicbee is for serious music listeners
But in my view blending the pictures just leads to a confused message.
(http://i.imgur.com/cLPtGLC.png) (http://imgur.com/cLPtGLC)
This is just an idea, but what about a photograph of MusicBee running on a PC?
Something like this;
http://static.slidetomac.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/itunes_12_imac_desktop_hero.jpg
I like the monitor pic, makes more sense. I suggest a non branded monitor however.well brands are not the issue, but yeah i will like to have a non branded monitor.
(http://i.imgur.com/40XAtGw.png)
(http://imgur.com/40XAtGw)
Here's a screenshot if perhaps you can use it with another background http://www.bluesbeatradio.com/mbee/MBeescreenshot.jpg
move the coffee cup to cover big-nose?
This is just an idea, but what about a photograph of MusicBee running on a PC?
Something like this;
http://static.slidetomac.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/itunes_12_imac_desktop_hero.jpg
At least for me, it's easy to tell the image was photoshoppedBut would you have been able to tell with the overlay that will be used?
Something like this (but better ;))
If you guys like the idea, I could try and take a better shot (like without the ugly cables), and we could agree on a layout for the MB window.
Well, my speakers aren't exactly the high-end type which is why I tried to avoid focusing on them. ;)Something like this (but better ;))
If you guys like the idea, I could try and take a better shot (like without the ugly cables), and we could agree on a layout for the MB window.
thats look nice, we just need a better angle and a speaker at the side getting most of the focus(like that mac image)
:)
Should the MusicBee logo/text on the home page be a little more eye catching? I came up with this, just playing around;
move the coffee cup to cover big-nose?That's an elegant solution to cover the big nosed figurine.
(http://i.imgur.com/Dh6ISQ0.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Dh6ISQ0)
Should the MusicBee logo/text on the home page be a little more eye catching? I came up with this, just playing around;
i am not keen on having something flashy logo, i want to maintain a much more subtle and elegant design.
Well, my speakers aren't exactly the high-end type which is why I tried to avoid focusing on them. ;)
A couple of pictures I found on reddit (we'd have to ask permission to use/modify them which I'd be happy to take care of if needed):
I guess that is a good solution. I will probably choose some decent typography and font for the text.move the coffee cup to cover big-nose?That's an elegant solution to cover the big nosed figurine.Should the MusicBee logo/text on the home page be a little more eye catching? I came up with this, just playing around;
i am not keen on having something flashy logo, i want to maintain a much more subtle and elegant design.
Maybe just use a larger font?
Just my opinion, but I think the color gradient makes the page look very bland. Look better with real photo of a person using MusicBee.
I also think the fonts are a bit plain.
What about a rotating slide screen (like on the current homepage) but embedded into a monitor in a real scene, at least that way it is quick and easy to see what MB looks like.
Hi!What you are asking for is uservoice, it is steven's decision if he wants use uservoice or not, i have no say on this unfortunately.
I have a suggestion about the whishlist section:
Can you do something like I saw for microsoft? They did a list of the desired new features, and you can give them from 1 to 3 point, but you have only 10 points.
In this way, you can know which are the most desired feature and it's a lot more easy to read for the users too!
Hi!+1
I have a suggestion about the whishlist section:
Can you do something like I saw for microsoft? They did a list of the desired new features, and you can give them from 1 to 3 point, but you have only 10 points.
In this way, you can know which are the most desired feature and it's a lot more easy to read for the users too!
of course he doesn't have to listed to the uservoice, but at least there won't be anymore 10 threads with the same request :)Hi!What you are asking for is uservoice, it is steven's decision if he wants use uservoice or not, i have no say on this unfortunately.
I have a suggestion about the whishlist section:
Can you do something like I saw for microsoft? They did a list of the desired new features, and you can give them from 1 to 3 point, but you have only 10 points.
In this way, you can know which are the most desired feature and it's a lot more easy to read for the users too!
well uservoice is $499 pa, so that wont be happening.
In principal i dont want to add functions like this that just add too much complexity and where more things that can wrong/ more support etc
this looks great. The only suggestion i have is the MusicBee and sub-text may need to be a bit stronger to stand out from the words in the top right corner
+1 on the image! Nice job.
Could something like this work for the header background image or is it not high end enough? (this is my desktop)
I'm trying to figure out what size would be best for that header image in order to put interesting elements in the frame too.
this looks great. The only suggestion i have is the MusicBee and sub-text may need to be a bit stronger to stand out from the words in the top right corner
You're right. Another option may be to blur out the image or increase the opacity of the overlay, but either way I agree that the text that's on top of the image should be bigger / use a stronger font anyways.
The only thing I tweaked is that I resized it to 50% (it's still huge) and got rid of the DELL logo. If the image is not sharp enough, I could shoot it again with my DSLR instead of the phone I used here.it would be a great if you could send an image from DSLR, the current image has too much noise. Also make sure the angle is a bit more high.
@AvikB I couldn't make sense of how to crop the image for the best results on the website. The way it looks in the screenshot I posted above focuses on the better areas of the photo IMO but as the image changes size as you resize your browser window, it got confusing real fast. What do you think?That won't be a problem, i can make sure that even with resizing size the focus area will always get more visibility.
it would be a great if you could send an image from DSLR, the current image has too much noise. Also make sure the angle is a bit more high.Yeah I thought that could be a problem, although,, with the overlay, noise isn't really a problem.
the headphone in that image does not look right(can't quite catch what is wrong with it though) :SIs it where they are in the picture or how they are laid down?
When you say a bit higher angle, how do you mean? Would you want me to be further away from the subject (include more in the shot?). The reason I picked this angle is because there's really nothing of interest around my desktop; quite the contrary actually. You really don't want to see what it looks like around it. ;) But I'll see what I can do.here is how i think it might look better:
Is it where they are in the picture or how they are laid down?yes the laid down position does not seem right.
This is a free alternative to UserVoice: http://www.userreport.com/Looks really nice.
But couldn't something similar be implemented directly on the website rather than use a 3rd party platform? Or am I underestimating how difficult it would be to implement?By implementing, if you mean a custom made for the msucbee, then yes it would be time consuming, not difficult. There might be other third party solution, but i haven't checked it yet. Userreport, that you suggested me, is a good solution, but i think it uses their own site, so you won't get 100% control or look.
Well if I fill the shot with mostly the monitor, I can get rid of teh headphones. I'll see what i can do in the next few days!
Great ideas! I'll try a few things over the weekend.
or try hanging the headphones on the monitor corner
and maybe take the picture from slightly below so you are looking up at the monitor from a shallow angle
How's this?
personally i still think the initial picture provided that i had a minor objection to (the figure with the big node/ backpack being at the centre of the picture) was the best. I was even happy with the photoshopping on it to remove that feature.
I'm afraid not. My space is just so different. But I would have no objection to photoshoping the shot with the big nose guy and using that instead.personally i still think the initial picture provided that i had a minor objection to (the figure with the big node/ backpack being at the centre of the picture) was the best. I was even happy with the photoshopping on it to remove that feature.
So far I would agree with Steven on this, preferring one of the shopped images that removed the figurines.
@ vpsaxman, maybe you could try re-creating a similar image with your set up?
To be honest, with the color overlay and the text about MusicBee on top of that, the underlying image is obscured or unresolvable in large measure such that it just doesn't add much to the presentation at all. I'd vote for just rethinking it.I was thinking the same thing, and browsing for some inspiration, but really what ones expect from an audio player homepage? I checked some audio player home pages, Itunes, Winamp(it has a lama on the top :O), aimp, mediamonkey and groove. Most of them barely shows any audio player related images. I do like itune and groove home pages. Groove home page has the vibe that other musicplayer pages lack.
Someone new to the program isn't going to know what MB looks like, anyway. So a blurry pic of a desktop doesn't bring much to the experience.
But the fuzzy color over a handful of grainy album covers... Not working for me, if I try to imagine myself discovering the site for the first time.
As an alternative, you could have a link to user-posted pics of their own setups. Or a thread in the forum for purposes of showing it off.Unfortunately i am not planning to do it. The home page has 2 screenshots showing the main interface, if anyone is not convinced by it i highly doubt they will bother checking an entire thread. Also Musicbee is really small in size, download and testing out yourself is the quickest way.
Well, why not simply do something like this then?
Well, why not simply do something like this then?
Straight to the point and minimalist.
now before someone complaining about smoking, you can suggest a better image from here, the licensing is perfect and they have some awesome images.I seriously don't think that picture works. Especially the cigarette. How about this one from the same site:
https://pixabay.com/ (https://pixabay.com/)
now before someone complaining about smoking, you can suggest a better image from here, the licensing is perfect and they have some awesome images.I seriously don't think that picture works. Especially the cigarette. How about this one from the same site:
https://pixabay.com/ (https://pixabay.com/)
https://pixabay.com/en/woman-girl-headphones-music-977020/
I do like the text pushed to the left. And the image of the woman still allows that.
I really don't like the cigarette. It's Steven's app but I don't think MB should be promoting smoking.
I like this one. Simple, not controversial, on topic, and plenty of space for you to insert text without blurring it or other fooling around.
Here's another:All of these are bad, they looks amateurish and does not blend well. I like the first one you suggested.
Or this one:
Or:
Or:
You get the idea. Something pleasant but non-descript that you can write on.
Anything but the Marley-wannabe smoking. Jeez. What were you thinking?just update it to the one phred suggested. jeez i knew people won't like smoking images :P
just update it to the one phred suggested. jeez i knew people won't like smoking images :P
unfortunately inserting texts in images is really bad design choices in 2016 modern web. while there are some exception but still.
those texts were not meant to be descriptive or was expecting anyone to read them. They were part of monitor screenshot.Quoteunfortunately inserting texts in images is really bad design choices in 2016 modern web. while there are some exception but still.
Well that's what you were doing on the previous pages with the blue-red gradient pics with the MusicBee advert overlaid.
I'm not very skilled, but you get the idea.
nice find :) , just updated. Few photoshop color correction and healing.Is it possible to make the headphones stand out a little more? They're almost lost in her hair.
i like the smiling woman with headphones as the main image - it conveys the sort of message i like and its not clutteredThere you go!! The Master has spoken. :-)
Yes, of course. A pipe shows sophistication.just update it to the one phred suggested. jeez i knew people won't like smoking images :P
That one was terrible indeed.
But there are exceptions:
A cigarette is just damn nasty.
With apologies to Duke Ellington, that's a sophisticated lady.A cigarette is just damn nasty.
Well, not always...
(http://i.imgur.com/2yS4H1El.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2yS4H1E.jpg)
I still prefer the original replacement one but with big nose guy removed+1. Not a fan of the girl and her empty eyes.
Is it possible to make the headphones stand out a little more? They're almost lost in her hair.Fixed and updated.
Not a fan of the girl and her empty eyes.Fixed. her eyes should be smaller and natural.
I still prefer the original replacement one but with big nose guy removedI think the girl with headphone has the same clean vibe that the mac with big nose had. I will stick to it unless other suggestions gets more supporters.
I think the girl with headphone has the same clean vibe that the mac with big nose had. I will stick to it unless other suggestions gets more supporters.
Few reasons i didn't choose the mac with big nose is that it is mac, even with apple logo removed, their design stands on their own.
I disagree about the vibe. There is no life, no vibrancy. She has a nice smile, she has a nice face. Overall it's... nice. She just doesn't look like she's enjoying what she's listening to. Photoshop a headset instead of the headphones and I'd swear she's working in a call centre.In the full picture she is sitting on a sofa, and the environment does not look like a call center.
She just doesn't look like she's enjoying what she's listening toTo be fair i don't even smile or do anything while listening to music. But hey atleast she is smiling. Better than have a serious look. :P
@AvikB, no matter what we end up going with for the main picture I just wanted to say I think its fantastic the way you have done the image handling when scrolling down and i am very happy with the middle and final pictures.:) glad you liked it.
A few more "desktop" alternatives for everyone's consideration:Nice images, i like the first one. the second one for some reason looks really congested(maybe because of the rack at the side).
And of course the text may have to be moved depending on the background image.
A few more "desktop" alternatives for everyone's consideration:Nice images, i like the first one. the second one for some reason looks really congested(maybe because of the rack at the side).
And of course the text may have to be moved depending on the background image.
@AvikB, no matter what we end up going with for the main picture I just wanted to say I think its fantastic the way you have done the image handling when scrolling down and i am very happy with the middle and final pictures.What he said.
I have updated the interface is very beautiful:)
The new website design looks great! A central place to get the latest add-ons will be great!thanks. :)
The screenshot viewing is great too, very fast and smooth.
Thank AvikB and other contributors for this great work so far!Looking good. I completely agree with #1 especially. It makes sense to put a screenshote of MB as the firs thing a new user can see when visiting the website.
Just like to add my 2 cents regarding the main picture on the homepage.
Before scrolling down to MB image below, it almost feels like a website selling some kind of music service. Probably that's coming from the absence of MB at first glance and the prominent presence of a happy-looking person listening to music.
I did a mockup with some images from previous posts. The point would be (1) MB should be focused and immediately visible without scrolling and (2) there should be no distracting, misinforming elements.
(http://i.imgur.com/VEnBUxj.png)
Thank AvikB and other contributors for this great work so far!
Just like to add my 2 cents regarding the main picture on the homepage.
Before scrolling down to MB image below, it almost feels like a website selling some kind of music service. Probably that's coming from the absence of MB at first glance and the prominent presence of a happy-looking person listening to music.
I did a mockup with some images from previous posts. The point would be (1) MB should be focused and immediately visible without scrolling and (2) there should be no distracting, misinforming elements.
Looking good. I completely agree with #1 especially. It makes sense to put a screenshote of MB as the firs thing a new user can see when visiting the website.
And I'll add my appreciation for your incredible work on the website AvikB here. Keep up the good work! d(^o^)b
Only just saw the new site concept and this is incredible, great work everyone! As a header device, I'd say that rather than a stock photo, even a screenshot overlaid on that lovely background gradient would work a treat. That said, there is already a pretty comprehensive assortment of screenshots.
Website & Forum Design update
Hey guys, i am actually on the process of updating this site design.
Thanks to Steven, a public demo is available, Check it out yourself, and give feedback so i can improve it. Have any suggestion or improvement, let me know.
here is the link : http://test.getmusicbee.com (http://test.getmusicbee.com)
update 29 NOV 2015
ADDONS page link: http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons.php (http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons.php)
There is little point of any scrrenshots, just visit the page above and test out yourself. remember to give feedback.
Now it is feedback time :)
i have updated the home page to reflect some of the feedback, this is not final btw, so give feedbacks. if it gets enough interest i will change from the woman with the headphone to this, otherwise woman with headphone will be used in the final version.the one i see now is the Radio with a screenshot of musicbee to the right. I definitely agree with the proposal to have a screenshot of musicbee in the first image. Did you consider (and possibly rejected?) to twist the musicbee screenshot as in redwings proposal?
here is the home page to test. if you do not see any changes please refresh the page once more to clear the cache.
http://test.getmusicbee.com/ (http://test.getmusicbee.com/)
the one i see now is the Radio with a screenshot of musicbee to the right.umm... radio..!! :O thats a surface pro 3 screenshot btw.
I definitely agree with the proposal to have a screenshot of musicbee in the first image. Did you consider (and possibly rejected?) to twist the musicbee screenshot as in redwings proposal?the updated design actually represents some of the idea from redwing's feedback. Ofc i removed that twisted musicbee window image since it does not look good, instead i decided to use a device to showcase musicbee. OFC more tweaks needed.
- Though there's Windows logo at the bottom, presenting MB on a tablet as a main picture could give a wrong impression that MB can run as a mobile app.This.
i have updated the homepage after experimenting with various images.Did you change the spacing between text and screenshots since yesterday in the header? It looked better with more space between them IMO.
let me know what you guys think.
i have updated the homepage after experimenting with various images.Did you change the spacing between text and screenshots since yesterday in the header? It looked better with more space between them IMO.
let me know what you guys think.
You did? LOL!i have updated the homepage after experimenting with various images.Did you change the spacing between text and screenshots since yesterday in the header? It looked better with more space between them IMO.
let me know what you guys think.
i actually increased the spacing and reduced the image size a little bit.
- If you want to add additional mode images, probably compact player mode has the most appealing look.There us already a compact player mode image is included(playlist-compact player).
- Currently it feels like the two additional images are more of obstructing the view on the MB in main player mode. More dynamic or 3D style placement might work better and also imply that they are just different modes, not the multiple instances of MB.3d style? are you speaking of rotating MB modes in a angle ? if so, i don't know if it is needed or not. I already added a bit of drop shadow to have better depth,
currently the first and second images have the same main player screenshot. Just as a minor suggestion, maybe make one of them using a different layout such as Album and Tracksyeah i know, i was just being lazy :P , since musicbee3 UI might change till it hits beta(or most of the UI tweaks are done). i will take some better pictures and make them final.
or even have one of them show the "Playing Tracks" panel
Is it just me or is that image loading much slower than the rest of the images?that image is about 405kb while other images are under 50kb, so it is taking a bit. also the optimization is not done yet as those images are yet to be final, since MB3 UI might change.
I just tried it in another browser and it was the last thing to load.
When viewing all add-ons from the dashboard, and then selecting Edit/Update, a new window opens but the 'close' button is nowhere near the new window. It's in the upper right corner of the main window. It should be within the window that needs to be closed.fixed for the next update.
When viewing all add-ons from the dashboard, and then selecting Edit/Update, a new window opens but the 'close' button is nowhere near the new window. It's in the upper right corner of the main window. It should be within the window that needs to be closed.i have tried this, and decided to stick with current implementation. The reason is the lack of noticeable visibility, and red close button does not look good on violet, green or other background. also there is some difficulty regarding implementing this due to how the popup dialogue is handled.
Looks great!:) glad you liked it.
how does the love rating system work (or is it not implemented yet) ?not fully implemented yet. the back-end is completed, only the front-end is WIP.
i will try to complete this once my exam is complete in 2 more days. :)
http://test.getmusicbee.com (http://test.getmusicbee.com)
Another update, this update is quite a big one.
Nice! Every time I check the test site it looks better and better. I especially like what you did with the topmost section and background.:) and.... it will only get better.
A couple things I'm wondering; isn't the "MusicBee" logo/header missing? I feel like it should be above the text where it says "the ultimate music player...".I am still working on this part. Trying to keep the design minimal and clean. I have an idea of it's implementation.. probably in next 2 or 3 updates.
I don't know how much the fade-in effect can be adjusted, but when scrolling down quickly it can be a tad slow to appear, however not a big deal.It is fully adjustable, :) i will try to reduce it a bit more. The effect will be only in the landing pages.... or better call it presentation pages.
Also some of the images are broken, those near the bottom of the page.I haven't done yet with those images. I am not good with photoshop and graphic design and stuff..... so it is taking some time. Will update it once it is done.
Looking good AvikB.Thanks :)
Good luck with your exams!
(although I think luck won't be a factor here ;-)
Any ETA on this? I am updating the wiki, and don't want to spend a lot of time on things that are about to be duplicated on the new site.It is really hard to give any ETA, but it should not take too long.
Thanks for the awesome work! I'm looking forward to the final result.
I highly doubt anything will be duplicated. since the help section will redirect to wikia. let me know if you have any specific concern regarding duplication.
Put that section on the wiki on a hold for now. the new site addon page is 90% complete, the dashboard is my next priority.I highly doubt anything will be duplicated. since the help section will redirect to wikia. let me know if you have any specific concern regarding duplication.
With the new plugin and skin pages, I will retire those sections of the wiki and link back to the site if possible.
Put that section on the wiki on a hold for now. the new site addon page is 90% complete, the dashboard is my next priority.
shouldn't take too long.
Not to rain on your parade, but what's with the new background on the home page? What does it have to do with music? I really hate to start this discussion again, but I thought the background image had (finally) been decided.the top wireframe icon background is just a placeholder, and the bottom 2 images are not done so not included.
I'm really stoked about this!Can't quite figure it out if you liked it or not :P
Nice work @
http://test.getmusicbee.com/
Just checked out the forum board and I think the background color (255,255,255) is too bright. How about making it a little darker like the current board (239,239,239)?A much better solution is to use dark theme.
Also the height of each post and spacing between each post seems a bit large, which will require lots of scrolling to read a long thread. I'd prefer more condensed style.The reason for this is because with this new forum avatar images will be allowed. and that is minimum height required for this.
So either that dark theme or all-bright theme?For now, yes.
Is it possible to turn off the avatar image as a view setting?
I think I prefer the current forum layout more. It's just so clean, nice, and comfy.
It's not as fast and smooth as the current layout. This is subjective, but I just think the current one looks cleaner and nicer, and feels faster. That layout also looks really generic,I don't get it, what makes you think the current layout is fast and smooth? I have done the tests on my end. the current forum layout uses old outdated images for buttons and such and is slow to load. While the new layout uses modern css3 standards and is faster and has css3 animations for smooth feel. I think you got it backward.
there are probably a ton of forums that look almost exactly the same.It is a forum you can't expect it to look/work like reddit can you?
The current one is simple, fast, looks great and unique. Why change?BTW, the new forum is just a skin and few mods, it is the same as the current one in terms of functionality. Both are same just with different colors and so. I can't see any uniqueness in any of them.
It's quite popular here too, why take risks? "If it's not broken don't fix it".The funny thing is the current forum after the update is actually broken. for example the PM layout, and while in Posting a new thread textbox resizer is broken too, as well as bcc button too, also code selection and jump to navigation is broken too.
"Get the latest version of Musicbee" That button, and the buttons next to it, just look like bloat and takes up space tbh and should be removed. Put them all the way to the top next to the help button. More cleaner and minimalist, the better.
I do agree with you, i am thinking of providing a way for allowing users to collapse them.if you are going to do that then why not just get rid of them?
if you are going to do that then why not just get rid of them?
The only reason i suggested them was to serve as a hint for new users who seem to continually struggle to find the topic with the latest updates but i only see that as mildly useful
if you are going to do that then why not just get rid of them?
The only reason i suggested them was to serve as a hint for new users who seem to continually struggle to find the topic with the latest updates but i only see that as mildly useful
And just curious, is something like this still going to happen?
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.msg99771#msg99771
Maybe, instead of having those big banner on the forum front page, we can show a little banner while posting.
something like this:
Maybe, instead of having those big banner on the forum front page, we can show a little banner while posting.
something like this:
The banner is a nice idea, but only if it can point to the REALLY latest version, the patches. Otherwise it'll be just like now, the first thing we tell almost everyone is to get the patch.
The problem I see in the message presented here, is that it strongly suggests that for each and every question, and every situation, it is almost mandatory to have the latest version.Well it says Before posting an issue or bugs, so i don't think it is applicable for every situation.
The message might say: "be sure to have the latest stable version", but if you look at the state with mb v3 we are currently in, the advice now is usually to update to the latest beta. But at another moment in time, the advice might better be indeed to use the stable version.The main issue with Musicbee is how it handles update. MusicBee should keep it self always upadated, or atleast show update notification when a new release available.
As an alternative it might be sensible to have a message in the lines of: "for technical questions or problems be sure to mention the MusicBee version you are using".Well that was just a mockup, i will add this.
Well it says Before posting an issue or bugs, so i don't think it is applicable for every situation.
The main issue with Musicbee is how it handles update. MusicBee should keep it self always updated, or at least show update notification when a new release available.
Specially for beta release, a user have to check the forum everyday,and then there is the trouble of finding if an update really is posted or not. which is not convenient.
Yes, but it says here the 'latest stable version' is always better. But currently we usually advice to use the latest v3 beta. (update? patch?)Then i guess, i can add Checkout musicbee beta releases, current beta release is: 3.1.3423
That is all up to Steven.I guess anyone from the community can make a plugin for this.
As long as he is not making a move in this area (which is within his good right, and only his decision to make), I would not waste time in anticipating on how that might play out in the future.
Then i guess, i can add Checkout musicbee beta releases, current beta release is: 3.1.3423Quote
We seem to differ in the basic principle on this.
You seem very eager and focused to get this specific matter completely structured and classified.
I believe it is not possible, considering there is no structured source for this alpha/beta/update matter.
I feel it is a bit of a waste of time and energy putting in so much thought and energy in implementing this in the way you are imagining it.
What I agree on what might be useful, is a for example a fixed location on the start page of the forum, mentioning the latest stable version number, and the latest patch/beta version number. (as some ticker tape, if you know what I mean)
That should be enough to draw attention, and make people aware about versions/updates.
Just trust the forum and human intelligence to do the rest.
Let's get this ball rolling.... ?
yup, when the new forum will be available the structure will be more like that.
Someone just have to go to forum admin panel and add boards, but there is no point in adding them in the test forum though. :)
We seem to differ in the basic principle on this.Well currently for musicbee release as it is, there are two version, stable, beta/pre-release. It is a pretty simple structure.
You seem very eager and focused to get this specific matter completely structured and classified.
I believe it is not possible, considering there is no structured source for this alpha/beta/update matter.
I feel it is a bit of a waste of time and energy putting in so much thought and energy in implementing this in the way you are imagining it.My imagination is not really far fetched. It is derived from the current forum/download structure. And it is already implemented and tasted. :)
What I agree on what might be useful, is a for example a fixed location on the start page of the forum, mentioning the latest stable version number, and the latest patch/beta version number. (as some ticker tape, if you know what I mean)Thats okay for me, but it seems some people don't like that as it takes extra space. It is really hard to decide since different people have different issues and choices. :S
That should be enough to draw attention, and make people aware about versions/updates.
Just trust the forum and human intelligence to do the rest.That would be the last thing one can trust. :P
What do you mean 'more like that'?I am decided on that structure, the wording can be improved.
Still not decided on it?
It might be good to get a good impression on the final result.I guess you are right. it is just matter of time to actually sit down and add boards, and i am feeling really lazy to do it. :P
Any member checking out the test forum will then quickly see the progress being made, and will be able to make comments on it while there is still time to make such changes. I for myself am rather curious how it will look after those changes, and I imagine it will be rather difficult (or at least undesirable) to make changes to the forum structure after it's gone live.
Is it something I might be able to help with?Yes it is pretty simple, a bit time consuming though, since moving, renaming, adding description.
(no programming skills though :-(
Thats okay for me, but it seems some people don't like that as it takes extra space. It is really hard to decide since different people have different issues and choices. :S
btw i have question for you since you are a mod in the current forum.
In the current forum you can see a user's ip address and ip-block him, which i removed in the new forum since ip-address blocking is not accurate and can cause issues for others.
Do you actually use it? if so i might add it otherwise i will leave it as it is.
Something like this won't take space at all:
btw i have question for you since you are a mod in the current forum.Speaking for myself as a moderator, I typically don't block someone via the IP because as you say, it might cause issues for others. But there have been a couple of times where I have blocked the user's IP. But this is always done from the 'ban user' option and not from within an offending post. As long as the IP logging remains somewhere, I don't think there's a need to have the option show in the post. Hiccup and/or Steven may feel otherwise and I would defer to whatever Steven says.
In the current forum you can see a user's ip address and ip-block him, which i removed in the new forum since ip-address blocking is not accurate and can cause issues for others.
Do you actually use it? if so i might add it otherwise i will leave it as it is.
btw i have question for you since you are a mod in the current forum.i used to block by ip address but as you suggest it can cause issues because spammers use hijacked pc's these days. Saying that, i would still want the ability to do that if i needed to
In the current forum you can see a user's ip address and ip-block him, which i removed in the new forum since ip-address blocking is not accurate and can cause issues for others.
Do you actually use it? if so i might add it otherwise i will leave it as it is.
btw i have question for you since you are a mod in the current forum.i used to block by ip address but as you suggest it can cause issues because spammers use hijacked pc's these days. Saying that, i would still want the ability to do that if i needed to
In the current forum you can see a user's ip address and ip-block him, which i removed in the new forum since ip-address blocking is not accurate and can cause issues for others.
Do you actually use it? if so i might add it otherwise i will leave it as it is.
I am decided on that structure, the wording can be improved.
Yes it is pretty simple, a bit time consuming though, since moving, renaming, adding description.
No programming is required. you will need admin rank to do so btw. Ask steven he should be able to make you admin in the test forum.
Speaking for myself as a moderator, I typically don't block someone via the IP because as you say, it might cause issues for others. But there have been a couple of times where I have blocked the user's IP. But this is always done from the 'ban user' option and not from within an offending post. As long as the IP logging remains somewhere, I don't think there's a need to have the option show in the post. Hiccup and/or Steven may feel otherwise and I would default to whatever Steven says.
from the admin panelOk, thats fine, i won't add back in post view then.
Can you say what wordings you are not sure about?I am talking about board descriptions, since you haven't proposed any description for most boards here:
I'm willing and able to do that. But I would like it if we are (for 99%) agreed on the structure and naming before I do that.We seemed to resolve this a long time ago. The naming structure is fine :)
Also, I am curious about this:that would be a good idea.
Since there are some discrepancies in the structure and boards between the old and new forum, simply exporting all existing boards and topics will probably not be possible.
Should we design some simple diagram where we can see where old topics and boards should go in the new forum structure?
I am talking about board descriptions, since you haven't proposed any description for most boards here:
do we need poll as a child board? we can post polls in general board.
haha, 'polls' was something you brought up. You seemed to have some serious plans with it, so I just thought to give it a special place ;-)For serious plans i only intended it's use for voting any specific feature, or using it for getting feedback, a special section is too much i guess :P
ANNOUNCEMENT
MusicBee Release information on the latest official release
MusicBee Pre-Release information on the latest pre-releases
For serious plans i only intended it's use for voting any specific feature, or using it for getting feedback, a special section is too much i guess :PMake sure that if/when using a poll to gather votes for adding specific features that there's a disclaimer stating something like "just because a feature rates high in the voting, that's not a guarantee that it will be added."
Are you working on something right now?
Some serious corruption here:
can't seem to reproduce it :S
you might wanna refresh the browser, since i have updated the forum styling a bit, ti might need to clear the cache
I do think the blue button should point to the latest patch, as this is the forum and you would (probably) be looking for an update to fix a feature/bug. The main site has the link to the latest released version.
The only other way I could think of would be to replace the red button with a 'Tips and Tricks' one, moving the Question/Issue text to a banner (in safety yellow/orange) at the top of the Bug Reports page
Are you advocating that you bee-lieve they are so important and have such added value that they should have a prime location and take up as much space as they do?Yes :)
take up as much space as they do?they do take a lots of space but comparing to the current forum it actually takes less space :P
I do think the blue button should point to the latest patch, as this is the forum and you would (probably) be looking for an update to fix a feature/bug. The main site has the link to the latest released version.The main issue is that steven does not use any specific thread to post patches. so i don't think linking to announcement thread will work.
The only other way I could think of would be to replace the red button with a 'Tips and Tricks' one, moving the Question/Issue text to a banner (in safety yellow/orange) at the top of the Bug Reports pageunfortunately adding banner to any specific page is not possible without any dirty hack :S
This new forum stuff is starting to remind me of Groundhog Day more and more.What the heck is ground hog day?
This new forum stuff is starting to remind me of Groundhog Day more and more.What the heck is ground hog day?
No wonder it all seems familiar!!!This new forum stuff is starting to remind me of Groundhog Day more and more.What the heck is ground hog day?
A movie that you will enjoy ;-)
I do think the blue button should point to the latest patch, as this is the forum and you would (probably) be looking for an update to fix a feature/bug. The main site has the link to the latest released version.The main issue is that steven does not use any specific thread to post patches. so i don't think linking to announcement thread will work.
No, there is no landing page, but the download link is always the same.I don't think the link is consistent. It is for v2.5 what will happen when v3.0 releases? it will need manual editing, which is not an elegant solution.
It's the one phred uses in his signature.
added on my watchlist :)
What hiccup said. :) I understand the desire to have everything ironed out beforehand, but just like with MB, even after it's "released" it will need a few more adjustments, and that's fine. Some people always hate change, some people will have good ideas that can be added, but let's roll with it.Yeah you are absolutely right, it is hard to make changes when different people have different suggestions :S
No, there is no landing page, but the download link is always the same.I don't think the link is consistent. It is for v2.5 what will happen when v3.0 releases? it will need manual editing, which is not an elegant solution.
It's the one phred uses in his signature.
Yes it is pretty simple, a bit time consuming though, since moving, renaming, adding description.
No programming is required. you will need admin rank to do so btw. Ask steven he should be able to make you admin in the test forum.
No. The latest patch is always the same link.That is weird, the link read like it is for v2.5
It currently downloads MusicBee 3.0.5923.36565, being the version that Steven just recently uploaded.
I thought that having a link to the latest patch on the forum, was something that had already been discussed and deemed a great idea.
Rather than having to search for a post by phred and get the link from his signature, or search for recent posts by Steven and look through those for the last posted patch.
EDIT:I know what you are saying, it just wasn't a great solution. There were few uncertainty:
Actually, reading back through the thread, the large button removal was discussed before and was decided it wouldn't happen. That it was a good and convenient solution. It was only just brought back up re-hashed again today!
Ok, and just for my understanding, my username on the new forum (hiccup2) is different from my current one here (hiccup). I believe existing user names from the current forum are not allowed to register again at the new forum.I don't think there is any relation between the current and new forum. You should be able to choose "hiccup" in new forum as well.
Should I ask for those extra permissions on the second and new username (hiccup2) there, or should I ask to have my current one copied to the new forum, including these extra permissions?
Actually, reading back through the thread, the large button removal was discussed before and was decided it wouldn't happen. That it was a good and convenient solution. It was then just brought back up and re-hashed again today!
I don't think there is any relation between the current and new forum. You should be able to choose "hiccup" in new forum as well.
Are you sure about this?yeah 100% sure. create a new account with "hiccup" and let me know if it is working or not
It's been a while, but I am sure I chose hiccup2 because hiccup wasn't accepted. I believe also other forum members choose (slightly) different aliases because of that.
I'm pretty sure hiccup is correct.I don't think there is any relation between the current and new forum. You should be able to choose "hiccup" in new forum as well.
Are you sure about this?
It's been a while, but I am sure I chose hiccup2 because hiccup wasn't accepted. I believe also other forum members choose (slightly) different aliases because of that.
yeah 100% sure. create a new account with "hiccup" and let me know if it is working or not
I still feel the buttons are much bigger than necessary, they take an unreasonable amount of space and focus at the cost of a lot of other important information on the rest of the main screenWhat other important information?
and the assumption that the majority of forum visitors is kind of clueless, and visits the forum just because they have serious issues that in most cases will be solved by just pushing a big update button in my opinion is not a true representation of reality.
and the assumption that the majority of forum visitors is kind of clueless, and visits the forum just because they have serious issues that in most cases will be solved by just pushing a big update button in my opinion is not a true representation of reality.
And I didn't say that, you made the assumption there.
What is known is that a permanent link to the latest patch has been mooted for a long time as having to find and re-post the link when providing that information to other posters was time consuming.
It was one of the main driving reasons for phred putting it in his signature.
@ AvikB
The main website looks great! Nice and colourful, eyecatching and functional.
Then the forum (the latest look without the big buttons)... bluntly - boring, uninspiring and generally not nice to look at.
Especially when compared to the great work on the main MusicBee page.
I have kept the link to the patch up to date on the wiki. It changes rarely enough that it's not much work.Well it is easy to edit in wiki if it EVER changes.
But for the site you have to hunt down files after files and change it and if anything accidentally gets deleted the whole forum will stop working.
I am just talking about worst case scenario. I have plans for this in v2.0.
Yes, but only for stable release(full), beta release(full or patch).But for the site you have to hunt down files after files and change it and if anything accidentally gets deleted the whole forum will stop working.
I am just talking about worst case scenario. I have plans for this in v2.0.
Didn't you make changes so that Steven could just go and change the links for the downloads (in the main site) when there was an update to MusicBee?
Wouldn't this be exactly the same?
Just to clarify...I am not against the buttons, but as i mentioned patch links can not be updated, only by editing file. I will add the ability in v2.0
I'm not saying the buttons have to be exactly as they were before, but I can't see the logic in removing those quick links to the most active boards.
The Bug Reports is the third most active board. Surely it's sensible to have a obvious link to that board, especially for new users that have just registered on the board to report a bug/problem?
And AvikB, you've spent all this time and effort to unify the plugins, skins, etc, even creating a specialised uploading section, surely that board deserves a quick access button, especially as Plugins is the fourth most active board?Until the new admin panel arrives a sticky thread in skin, plugin section should be enough.
Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a growing divide between what has been promised by all the site images and what is actually going to be delivered :(What do you mean?
okay forum registration should be working now.Ok. I was able to register as 'phred' but had to provide a different email address than the one currently associated with phred_phred. Which makes sense.
However - the verification text continues to be static when a new one is requested. Again, the background changes but the text does not.Unfortunately that is how SMF varification seems to work. :(
I'm excited about the new forum, but I will say right as 3.0 is being officially released is probably not the best time for it. Maybe we can set a theoretical date like "3 weeks after 3.0" or something, so that any big influx of bug reports, complaints, etc has time to die down.
What other important information?
It's just the forum boards table of contents!!
And I didn't say that, you made the assumption there.
Then the forum (the latest look without the big buttons)... bluntly - boring, uninspiring and generally not nice to look at.
Especially when compared to the great work on the main MusicBee page.
I'm not saying the buttons have to be exactly as they were before, but I can't see the logic in removing those quick links to the most active boards.
The Bug Reports is the third most active board. Surely it's sensible to have a obvious link to that board, especially for new users that have just registered on the board to report a bug/problem?
okay forum registration should be working now.
you cannot use the same email address.
okay time for a new update, dashboard is now being worked on. it is completely redesigned and have new features for admin/mod and also most downloaded(unique, based per IP), most liked(also uqnique, based per user) statistics is now working.
Thnx, working now indeed.No there is no connection between new and old forum. the only reason you won't be able to use email is because you already used it for previous registration.
I now could create a new account under 'hiccup'.
Contrary to what you believed, there seems to be a link between the old and the new forum, since (as phred also mentioned), you cannot use the same email address.
Two observations about registering to the forum:Nope, i have no control over registration behavior.
1. after any error in trying to register (username already exists, wrong captcha etc.) the two password fields which you have carefully entered are cleaned again. So you have to enter it (twice) al over again. That's annoying (to me ;-)
Is that something you have control over?
2.Yes the current forum like photograph captchas were there, but it seems somehow it got broke. I will fix it in next update.
This captcha barrier with only 5 letters to me looks like a sitting duck for spambots.
Is there an option for a more advanced one? I believe the current forum works with photographs you have to match?
That looks very good and very professional.Well everything is now getting finishing touch before it enters stable beta. :)
I really hope there will be lots of contributions with good and interesting addons, which will justify all the work that you are putting into this.I am sure there will be. we have a lots of active skinners, plugin developers. :)
the only reason you won't be able to use email is because you already used it for previous registration.
@ hiccupThe only reason i agreed to remove it because of the poor implementation. I will look into these in more depth for available solution for v2.0.
It looks like you and me will have to agree to disagree on what is and isn't important for average users on the forum.
And as I said before, all this was brought up before and discussed and it was decided that the shortcut buttons would stay. So instead of sticking with that decision, it's been rehashed and now that's not going to happen. I'm sure, that sometime in the future, it will be re-discussed and a different decision will be made.
One of the pitfalls of designing by committee to accommodate everyone's viewpoint.
I'm sure, that sometime in the future, it will be re-discussed and a different decision will be made.
The only reason i agreed to remove it because of the poor implementation. I will look into these in more depth for available solution for v2.0.
I personally don't think a user need to search for patches in forum or anywhere. MusicBee should have a check for update button which should be able to get the patch or notify the user automatically.
Yesterday the most important person here (Steven) mentioned he would be fine getting rid of those big buttons.And please supply all the facts. Steven was happy to get rid of the big buttons if AvikB was going to go to the trouble of hiding them.
I do agree with you, i am thinking of providing a way for allowing users to collapse them.if you are going to do that then why not just get rid of them?
The only reason i suggested them was to serve as a hint for new users who seem to continually struggle to find the topic with the latest updates but i only see that as mildly useful
Thnx, working now indeed.I might be wrong, but the initial email address I provided when trying to register 'phred' was the same one being used by 'phred_phred'. Registration was (probably) denied since the new forum wouldn't (and shouldn't) allow two accounts with the same email address. Coincidentally, it's the same address I'm using on the -original- forum. So I -think- a user would be able to use their current (original forum) on the new forum.
I now could create a new account under 'hiccup'.
Contrary to what you believed, there seems to be a link between the old and the new forum, since (as phred also mentioned), you cannot use the same email address.
I might be wrong, but the initial email address I provided when trying to register 'phred' was the same one being used by 'phred_phred'. Registration was (probably) denied since the new forum wouldn't (and shouldn't) allow two accounts with the same email address. Coincidentally, it's the same address I'm using on the -original- forum. So I -think- a user would be able to use their current (original forum) on the new forum.Unfortunately it is out of my hand, it is the foundation SMF is built in. you can use one email address only ONCE.
Trying out how posting a screenshot in the new forum works, I found that when you press the 'insert image' button, you get presented with a rather spartan pop-up field:
I doubt if every user will be able to enter the needed url there.
Would it be possible to have a browse button, so a user can navigate to the location of the image he wants to upload?
Or perhaps even have drag&drop for that?
Trying out how posting a screenshot in the new forum works, I found that when you press the 'insert image' button, you get presented with a rather spartan pop-up field:Using the great Imgur Uploader to upload and create the URL still works.
Using the great Imgur Uploader to upload and create the URL still works.
http://test.getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php/topic,11.0.html
Using the great Imgur Uploader to upload and create the URL still works.Using ShareX here.
http://test.getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php/topic,11.0.html
No it doesn't, hahahaI have no idea how you got this error! :S seems like thread is deleted.
(I'm sorry)
1. I changed some English UK words to English US. Is believe that was the intention for the website, and I am assuming for the forum too?Steven told me that for the website, I should use US English, but nothing was discussed regarding the forum. Personally I think there should be consistency throughout, so I opt for US English.
Let me know if this is incorrect, then I will change it back.
2. @phred, could you please check for spelling errors, capitalizations, possible abuses of the English language, crooked wordings, etc.?Will do, but I'd rather wait until all the text is finalized. Otherwise I'm checking each rendition and wasting my time. I'd rather do it a day or two before it goes live.
7. Should we perhaps put 'Rubbish bin' as a child of 'Beyond MusicBee'? That will gain some screen territory too.For starters, I would change "this is where nonsense goes" to perhaps no description at all as is done currently. I can't help but think users will post jokes, spam, and other "nonsense" there. Taking it a step further, do we even need a rubbish bin? I've never moved anything to it. I simply delete any spam that I catch.
This is weird. When I visit the new forum without logging-in, I see all boards:It seems you changed the board permission setting:
But when I am logged-in, the General Discussions board is gone:
Am I missing some obscure preferences setting here?
1. I changed some English UK words to English US. Is believe that was the intention for the website, and I am assuming for the forum too?It is fine :)
Let me know if this is incorrect, then I will change it back.
3. I have not (yet) created a new separate category called 'Announcement' as was suggested in the latest proposal. The reason is that that will cost some precious screen estate, which we will need later for some big buttons ;-)I think Latest should be enough. Steven could mark posts stable release posts as [Release] Whatever release title
For now I left it under 'General', with an added comment 'announcement only' (Steven will have to give himself exclusive rights to post there)
4. The dark 'Category' title bars are quite big (high), and take up a lot of vertical space. Could they be made thinner and more elegant?What do you mean? can you post a screenshot?
5. Anybody with new insights and suggestions for improvements, please shoot!Description for question board maybe too short! maybe a bit more longer!
edit:Is there really a demand for this? maybe we can post an poll when the new forum releases and see the response. :)
6. I still have some doubts myself if the child board 'other languages' must be introduced.
Maybe some other forum members whose native tongue is not English can give some input on this?
7. Should we perhaps put 'Rubbish bin' as a child of 'Beyond MusicBee'? That will gain some screen territory too.Well everything goes into rubbish is not really related to musicbee, so it can be moved to beyond musicbee, i think.
For starters, I would change "this is where nonsense goes" to perhaps no description at all as is done currently. I can't help but think users will post jokes, spam, and other "nonsense" there. Taking it a step further, do we even need a rubbish bin? I've never moved anything to it. I simply delete any spam that I catch.Yup i was wondering the same thing. And if you look the current forum there is only 4 posts!!, it is really hard to justify the space it takes in the forum homepage just for 4 posts.
as you can see global moderators are disabled. so everyone can see it except global mods. Check the global moderator box and you should be able to see it too.
Don't change permission of any board. let it rest in default. which should be good. :)
Taking it a step further, do we even need a rubbish bin? I've never moved anything to it. I simply delete any spam that I catch.Yup i was wondering the same thing. And if you look the current forum there is only 4 posts!!, it is really hard to justify the space it takes in the forum homepage just for 4 posts.
I say it is best if we remove it. or atleast move to a child board.
fine with me.Taking it a step further, do we even need a rubbish bin? I've never moved anything to it. I simply delete any spam that I catch.Yup i was wondering the same thing. And if you look the current forum there is only 4 posts!!, it is really hard to justify the space it takes in the forum homepage just for 4 posts.
I say it is best if we remove it. or atleast move to a child board.
I'll move it to a child board for now.
I seem to recollect that Steven has created this rubbish bin in the past for a purpose, so let's just have him decide if he wants to delete it later.
1. I changed some English UK words to English US. Is believe that was the intention for the website, and I am assuming for the forum too?It is fine :)
Let me know if this is incorrect, then I will change it back.
4. The dark 'Category' title bars are quite big (high), and take up a lot of vertical space. Could they be made thinner and more elegant?QuoteWhat do you mean? can you post a screenshot?
6. I still have some doubts myself if the child board 'other languages' must be introduced.
Maybe some other forum members whose native tongue is not English can give some input on this?QuoteIs there really a demand for this? maybe we can post an poll when the new forum releases and see the response. :)
i think there is no need for 'other languages' board. everybody can just post a question in his language under regular boards.
Will do, but I'd rather wait until all the text is finalized. Otherwise I'm check each rendition and wasting my time. I'd rather do it a day or two before it goes live.
I'm pretty sure I didn't say UK.Ehh, so phred says UK, you say US?1. I changed some English UK words to English US. Is believe that was the intention for the website, and I am assuming for the forum too?It is fine :)
Let me know if this is incorrect, then I will change it back.
@Steven?
Steven told me that for the website, I should use US English, but nothing was discussed regarding the forum. Personally I think there should be consistency throughout, so I opt for US English.
For starters, I would change "this is where nonsense goes" to perhaps no description at all as is done currently. I can't help but think users will post jokes, spam, and other "nonsense" there. Taking it a step further, do we even need a rubbish bin? I've never moved anything to it. I simply delete any spam that I catch.Yup i was wondering the same thing. And if you look the current forum there is only 4 posts!!, it is really hard to justify the space it takes in the forum homepage just for 4 posts.
I'm pretty sure I didn't say UK.Ehh, so phred says UK, you say US?1. I changed some English UK words to English US. Is believe that was the intention for the website, and I am assuming for the forum too?It is fine :)
Let me know if this is incorrect, then I will change it back.
@Steven?Steven told me that for the website, I should use US English, but nothing was discussed regarding the forum. Personally I think there should be consistency throughout, so I opt for US English.
Should I convert the wiki back to US English for consistency? I changed it to match MusicBee defaults...
its too annoying having people say there are spelling mistakes so i would rather just have the site as US english
its too annoying having people say there are spelling mistakes so i would rather just have the site as US englishJust for the record, I am more than embarrassed by my fellow countrymen and women who just instantly assume the UK spelling is a typo. While the Brits and the rest of the UK English speaking world almost never point out US English "misspellings."
Another thing in this update is that, member signature won't show unless mouse over that member's post.
it is not completely hidden but nor disturbing by default.
I will need more input on this, do you guys think this behavior is okay? or should i just show it by default?
A new update based on hiccup's suggestion about color scheme of the forum.
Go to forum and REFRESH the browser to clear the cache. Light color scheme does not have weird dark contrast.
I personally really don't care about signatures, and usually find them distracting and kind of senseless. (wisecracks, summing up their hardware, etc., even though this forum is a very positive exception in this respect)
Especially in the case of for example phred's and psychoadept's, they do serve a purpose that benefits other users.
So if you would ask me, have such useful signatures 'sticky', and others can be grey type on a grey background ;-)
That is really looking very good!^^
And as mentioned before, the dark theme is also fantastic. Almost feels like working in Photoshop ;-)
unfortunately it is not possible to have a sticky signature in smf.
but they are not completely hidden. you just have to mouse over their post
Maybe I am an actor in Groundhog Day now, but related to this, wasn't there a setting that you had to have a certain status as a forum member before you are allowed to create a signature?
That would be good to prevent new users misusing this feature.
I believe my sig (and psycho's) not only helps the user-base, but it saves an enormous number of keystrokes.Ofc i understand that thats why i am asking for feedback on this.
wasn't there a setting that you had to have a certain status as a forum member before you are allowed to create a signature?No there was never any feature like that. What you are talking is the new wysiwyg editor toolbar, where any member who have over 20-30 posts can see some extra toolbar buttons.
Don't loose a second of sleep over this, but if I look with some detail at some icons and texts, some are not as smooth as others.the edgy text is broken in most of the sites, i haven't fixed them and it is broken in some places like the forum searchbox. I will fix them when the site is complete.
The edgy text is probably due to my own deliberate disabling of cleartype. You solved that already for all important locations, so don't bother too much about these minor locations.
Could the edgy icons also be a result of that? Are they in fact some true-type font or something?
4 times enlarged:
Ah yes, that was it. So that same condition can not be set for being allowed to create a signature?Well i guess it is possible but not really feeling doing it since it would be a hack and will break whenever any SMF update is done.
Well, not a real problem anyway. Same as phred until now I only once had one small issue with a users signature.
Currently the new forum doesn't look properly in 1600x900 resolution. Is this a known issue?
Yeah, it works. Was it browser cache?yup. I updated the forum styling today so you need to clear the cache.
OK. Thanks!Btw, the issue that you pointed out with avatar disabled and posts needs smaller height is now mostly fixed.
Btw, the issue that you pointed out with avatar disabled and posts needs smaller height is now mostly fixed.
if you have avatar disabled posts will use lesser height.
- Questions under Support section is not necessary as quite often a question develops into discussion. Also people will keep posting questions on General Discussions board.Well general is for discussion if a question ever turns into discussion op will be asked to create a new thread in general for discussion purpose.
- Why is plugins alone not a child board? It just takes up vertical space.Plugins are not same as customizations. They intend to allow more functionality while custimization controls how musicbee looks. thats why it have separate board.
- Questions under Support section is not necessary as quite often a question develops into discussion. Also people will keep posting questions on General Discussions board.Well general is for discussion if a question ever turns into discussion op will be asked to create a new thread in general for discussion purpose.
- Why is plugins alone not a child board? It just takes up vertical space.Plugins are not same as customizations. They intend to allow more functionality while custimization controls how musicbee looks. thats why it have separate board.
For a big forum with lots of mods and members, it might work. But not for this forum.well it is not MANDATORY for user to create a new discussion thread in general. If they want they should be able to continue in on the question section. ofc it probably won't get as much response.
Then drop the word customizations. They are all add-ons and it looks strange all others are cramped under one board except plugins.They are divided by their functionality.
I agree with redwing, there's no effective way to separate "questions" from "discussions".
Look at how hard it is to get bugs in bugs,Bug report is one of the thing i don't get. For MusicBee 3 all bug reports are is discussion thread, so it is confusing if i should use bug thread to report or just post them in discussion?
portable devices in portable devices, keep questions out of tips & tricks, and so on already. It would create a lot more work for the mods trying to keep things in the right place.I do get it. But Customization and Plugins (as of now) boards/topics are used by skinners/plugin developers, and they are not novice. I wouldn't worry about them.
For a big forum with lots of mods and members, it might work. But not for this forum.- Questions under Support section is not necessary as quite often a question develops into discussion. Also people will keep posting questions on General Discussions board.Well general is for discussion if a question ever turns into discussion op will be asked to create a new thread in general for discussion purpose.
@hiccup since you are a global mod, help me out on testing if the following work or not:
go to dashboard and see if you get this message:
(http://i.imgur.com/rGFPphm.jpg)
If you can see this try to approve it and tell me if it works properly for global mod too.
I have already approved the one that phred_phred submitted and it seem to work.
Works!Good to know :)
A few observations, I first couldn't find 'Dashboard'. I didn't expect to find it under the 'little man icon'. Wouldn't a fixed text button be better?yeah i guess you are right. I will make some adjustment in this area.
The above message appears at the right bottom of the screen. Perhaps better if that was more in the centre of the screen?at first it was at the top of the screen, then side and now bottom. is there any reason for it to be on the center? it is just a notification not a prompt.
'Successfull' should be spelled 'Successful'Thanks fixed for the next update.
at first it was at the top of the screen, then side and now bottom. is there any reason for it to be on the center? it is just a notification not a prompt.
Well, my precious eyes wasted 1,119 seconds of their life searching for it ;-)it is not a intrusive popup, much more like a subtle notification saying "hey the last action is successful! just so you know!"
Wouldn't 'centre' be the most logical location for pop-up messages?
Well, my precious eyes wasted 1,119 seconds of their life searching for it ;-)it is not a intrusive popup, much more like a subtle notification saying "hey the last action is successful! just so you know!"
Wouldn't 'centre' be the most logical location for pop-up messages?
Just a fun observation, I noticed how the childboard buttons change color when you change between light and dark theme.haha. it uses a transition based animation thats why a little bit delay between changing colors.
Very sophisticated. I just can't stop myself switching themes now ;-)
Ok, you are probably right.nope. i haven't implemented that yet. maybe in future. not a priority now.
I closed it with the 'X' button though. Does it fade away after a few seconds by itself?
Ok, you are probably right.nope. i haven't implemented that yet. maybe in future. not a priority now.
I closed it with the 'X' button though. Does it fade away after a few seconds by itself?
Ok, but in that case, if you do have to click it to go away, then 'centre' would be much preferred in my opinion.
Look at how hard it is to get bugs in bugs, portable devices in portable devices,
Just a fun observation, I noticed how the childboard buttons change color when you change between light and dark theme.haha. it uses a transition based animation thats why a little bit delay between changing colors.
Very sophisticated. I just can't stop myself switching themes now ;-)
And there are topics that deserve such a separate board such as 'General Discussion', and preferably shouldn't be mixed with 'Questions'.
To name a few examples:
- [NEW UPDATE] MusicBee website and forum redesign!!
- GUI changes for v3.0
- Official MB appreciation thread
- Wiki pages
- Any polls could go there
- other matters which are not a specific request for help or assistance.
And there are topics that deserve such a separate board such as 'General Discussion', and preferably shouldn't be mixed with 'Questions'.
To name a few examples:
- [NEW UPDATE] MusicBee website and forum redesign!!
- GUI changes for v3.0
- Official MB appreciation thread
- Wiki pages
- Any polls could go there
- other matters which are not a specific request for help or assistance.
That makes sense.
Then I'd suggest (1) move Questions board to General section (2) make the General Discussion board a child board under Questions board.
That way it would be much easier to maintain because mods can move only a few "real" discussion threads to the child board and it won't disrupt existing members' posting habit nor cause any confusions by separating boards. Also it won't suppress any spontaneous development of discussion out of a plain question, and there would be no need to create a new thread from ongoing discussion.
For a big forum with lots of mods and members, it might work. But not for this forum.- Questions under Support section is not necessary as quite often a question develops into discussion. Also people will keep posting questions on General Discussions board.Well general is for discussion if a question ever turns into discussion op will be asked to create a new thread in general for discussion purpose.Then drop the word customizations. They are all add-ons and it looks strange all others are cramped under one board except plugins.- Why is plugins alone not a child board? It just takes up vertical space.Plugins are not same as customizations. They intend to allow more functionality while custimization controls how musicbee looks. thats why it have separate board.
I don't agree. Topics such as "Official MB appreciation threadOfficial MB appreciation thread", are not questions, and therefore shouldn't reside under 'Questions'.
Also 'General Discussions' would then fall under the category 'Support', where I don't think it belongs.
About the current structure for the new forum and it's terminology:
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About the current structure for the new forum and it's terminology:
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You seem to be really fond of arguing.
All I'm saying is it looks strange to separate plugins alone from all other add-ons. What would the harm be if all belong to one board?
If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than you disagree, let's see what others think of those matters.
This is unimportant, but I thought to mention it anyway. Light theme has a mouse over color for these chilboard buttons, dark theme hasn't.DAMN! i though no one would notice it and i could get away with it ;( now i have to fix it.
If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than you disagree, let's see what others think of those matters.
Distill from my detailed explanations what you want.
If the only thing you can register is: 'somebody disagrees with me', that's on you.
I think both should be under General section, and Support section should be confined only to devs support like the current structure.
If people agree on that, we could think of better naming for the two boards.
What would the harm be if all belong to one board?
This is unimportant, but I thought to mention it anyway. Light theme has a mouse over color for these chilboard buttons, dark theme hasn't.DAMN! i though no one would notice it and i could get away with it ;( now i have to fix it.
Just curious, do you (and Steven) have some timeline set, as a goal when to activate the new forum?I am holding back until the new dashboard is done. the forum is complete only few minor styling fixes.
Haha,nah, it is fine. It actually pushes me to fix those issues rather than being lazy and skip them :P
Do you want me to shut-up about such details from now on, so you can focus on important stuff?
Don't answer, I will. ;-)
nah, it is fine. It actually pushes me to fix those issues rather than being lazy and skip them :P
From now, notifications now use smooth animations and autohide after5seconds, you can also manually dismiss them.
Nice.:) hope it works properly for everyone. I haven't tested much on firefox only opera and chrome.
It could be my eyes, my monitor, of both, but I find this text slightly difficult to read.is it the colors? other than that they perfectly readable other than being edgy.
is it the colors? other than that they perfectly readable other than being edgy.
Edgy is fine here ;-)It looks fine while font smoothing turned on. I won't change it unless it is much demanded, since the whole site now uses that font color.
No, it's just that the color seems to be a bit light.
But if it is a result of my strict no-cleartype policy and not too high-end display, please just leave it.
It is readable fine enough.
It looks fine while font smoothing turned on. I won't change it unless it is much demanded, since the whole site now uses that font color.
the original reason i created a sub-topic for portable devices was because i (naively) thought that it would have the most bugs reported and need special treatment.
There isnt a good reason to have it split going forward
just regarding the new forum, i really like how its been done but i have one thing i dont really like and thats the orange bar in the left of each section header - I find the orange bars quite distracting and to me makes it feel messy.the orange bars are there for a little bit variation. otherwise it looks way too blunt. orange bars will catch the eye easily and makes it easy to focus on those category.
If i'm the only one that feels that way then please leave it as-is
the orange bars are there for a little bit variation. otherwise it looks way too blunt. orange bars will catch the eye easily and makes it easy to focus on those category.
Just thinking, would it perhaps be an idea to create a childboard under bugs named something like "readme first"Perhaps it's just the negative side of me bursting through, but people won't read it.
We could have only 1 sticky topic in that board, explaining good practice in reporting bugs. Such as advising posters to mention what MB version they are using, if they are using specific plugins that might be related to their issue, what AV software they might be using, etc.?
I'm basing this only on the screenshot as I haven't had time to look at the test site. There's not enough contrast between the brownish text and the white background. That's what makes it difficult to read. I think the text should be darker.is it the colors? other than that they perfectly readable other than being edgy.
Edgy is fine here ;-)
No, it's just that the color seems to be a bit light.
But if it is a result of my strict no-cleartype policy and not too high-end display, please just leave it.
It is readable fine enough.
Perhaps it's just the negative side of me bursting through, but people won't read it.
Doesn't the current Bug Reports sub-forum have a popup when a user creates a new topic? If not, it used to. I feel the same should apply here. People will be -forced- to read it. (Or just click right through it.) But I think there's a better chance of them reading something that causes posting-interruptus than someone going to a readme first post.
I'm basing this only on the screenshot as I haven't had time to look at the test site. There's not enough contrast between the brownish text and the white background. That's what makes it difficult to read. I think the text should be darker.the text is a bit darker if you have font-smoothing enabled.
Maybe you are right.Same here. i don't like intrusive popups either.
But I personally have some negative response when some pop-up shows up unwanted and forces me to do something.
Don't you think that cute little button looks very inviting to press?come on! we are not 12 year olds. :P the only button i might press is a button with a kitten face or saying something like "Read this or you are dead!"
I'm basing this only on the screenshot as I haven't had time to look at the test site. There's not enough contrast between the brownish text and the white background. That's what makes it difficult to read. I think the text should be darker.
Maybe you are right.Same here. i don't like intrusive popups either.
But I personally have some negative response when some pop-up shows up unwanted and forces me to do something.Don't you think that cute little button looks very inviting to press?come on! we are not 12 year olds. :P the only button i might press is a button with a kitten face or saying something like "Read this or you are dead!"
You should indeed look at the site, and not take my screenshot as representative.The default fon't i used here is roboto. it is designed and maintained by google for it's android system. It looks gorgeous under clear type. But is horrible without it.
I am creating this issue a little bit for myself, since I always disable that horrific creation called cleartype (or font-smoothing).
Since many websites blindly use cleartype, they have no idea how fonts turn out looking on systems without having cleartype enabled.
The situation is even so bad, that there are more and more fonts, designed to look extra good under cleartype, but as a result look extra-horrible without it.
AvikB has taken the trouble to implement a replacement font for all important parts of the site and forum, so a good font is used for systems with cleartype disabled.since the site is under beta process, i am not implementing fallback feature now. and it should look horrible without clear type. But remind me of these issue(if i forgot) when we are in final stage. With the new styling system it should be way easier to do and maintain.
Even Intel has no clue about this. look at it:Come on it is not that bad! give me 5 minute and i can decipher them.
And even a respected IT site as Anandtech don't get it:Thats a really long captcha. :O
Even Intel has no clue about this. look at it:Come on it is not that bad! give me 5 minute and i can decipher them.And even a respected IT site as Anandtech don't get it:Thats a really long captcha. :O
Haha, right!
Now you understand why I am so grateful that you are addressing, and fixing this.
Haha, right!
Now you understand why I am so grateful that you are addressing, and fixing this.
Btw, it seems you have created the read me first post in the new forum.
I have added some info there of what should be provided. :)
Ah, the honey is attracting bees already...
Ah, the honey is attracting bees already...
:) was getting bored! so decided to post some ideas on that sub
You are not allowed to be bored. You have so much on your plate with the site and the forum.I know. i am doing that. just taking break from it to get fresh ideas of doing few things or how to fix certain bugs. :)
The 'read me first!' button is just a try-out to see how it would look if implemented.how about "Read this or die"
Let's wait what other members and Steven think about it.
Either we then remove it again, or we indeed make it a good bug-posting tutorial.
b.t.w. if we are going to do this, I think we should replace wordings such as "you need to" etc. by "it would be very helpful if you" etc. etc.
A friendly tone there would probably give best results.
how about "Read this or die"
What, you will promise them everlasting life if they do read it?
And there are topics that deserve such a separate board such as 'General Discussion', and preferably shouldn't be mixed with 'Questions'.
To name a few examples:
- [NEW UPDATE] MusicBee website and forum redesign!!
- GUI changes for v3.0
- Official MB appreciation thread
- Wiki pages
- Any polls could go there
- other matters which are not a specific request for help or assistance.
That makes sense.
Then I'd suggest (1) move Questions board to General section (2) make the General Discussion board a child board under Questions board.
That way it would be much easier to maintain because mods can move only a few "real" discussion threads to the child board and it won't disrupt existing members' posting habit nor cause any confusions by separating boards. Also it won't suppress any spontaneous development of discussion out of a plain question, and there would be no need to create a new thread from ongoing discussion.
@redwing, i quite like how its been done now - especially having Questions under support. Of course some people will put stuff in places not intended no matter how clear things are made.
For now I not sure how well "General Discussions" as its own topic will work but i can see the need for it. This sort of thing is easily changed if it doesnt work out
just regarding the new forum, i really like how its been done but i have one thing i dont really like and thats the orange bar in the left of each section header - I find the orange bars quite distracting and to me makes it feel messy.You're not the only one who feels that way about the orange. It's distracting and seems to interrupt an otherwise clean look. Especially since the various groups are already nicely defined by the horizontal gray bar. I think the orange vertical bars should disappear and extend the gray all the way across.
If i'm the only one that feels that way then please leave it as-is
just regarding the new forum, i really like how its been done but i have one thing i dont really like and thats the orange bar in the left of each section header - I find the orange bars quite distracting and to me makes it feel messy.You're not the only one who feels that way about the orange. It's distracting and seems to interrupt an otherwise clean look. Especially since the various groups are already nicely defined by the horizontal gray bar. I think the orange vertical bars should disappear and extend the gray all the way across.
If i'm the only one that feels that way then please leave it as-is
Orange bar Removed, you will need to refresh the page to clear the cache.Much better!! Thanks.
Much better!! Thanks.Fixed.
I feel the top level categories (General, MusicBee Add-ons, Support, etc) are difficult to read when hovered over. If the color is red (and I'm not sure what it is) perhaps changing it to the same orangey color as the sub-categories.
This is unimportant, but I thought to mention it anyway. Light theme has a mouse over color for these chilboard buttons, dark theme hasn't.
This is unimportant, but I thought to mention it anyway. Light theme has a mouse over color for these chilboard buttons, dark theme hasn't.fixed.
We can't expect the massive amount of context MusicBee itself is able to show on one screen at once, but we might try to go a little bit in that direction?
Some possible items that might help to accomplish that (if you agree with the basic idea of course)1 and 2 are thin enough already. I have no plans for making them thinner.
From the first screenshot,
- perhaps 1, 2 and 3 could be made thinner?
- if icon 4 would be a little bit smaller, perhaps that could effect the hight too?Yes it will effect the height. this was brought up long time ago, and i trimmed some height to make it more compact. Right now it is as good as it is.
From the same screenshot,Yes i removed them. is there any reasons to have them back? there is no point of having topic count?(even the post count does not makes any sense rather than showing popularity of boards)
- at 4 it now only shows post counts, on the current forum it also shows topic counts.
- 5, and a few others are misaligned, but that's probably because you were working on that and had some issuesIt was fixed in the last update. refresh the page.
From the second screenshot:
- 6 is very high and massive, could also have to do with the extremely large font for 11Yes it is a general overview of the whole forum. thats why i made it larger. also it gives forum a nice look.
Then about the order of the number items.I think you missed few things.
This will also be personal, but I would like the most interesting/most viewed items on top.
My preferred order here would then be:
8
9
6
10
7
From the same screenshot,Yes i removed them. is there any reasons to have them back? there is no point of having topic count?(even the post count does not makes any sense rather than showing popularity of boards)
- at 4 it now only shows post counts, on the current forum it also shows topic counts.
I agree with that. I think post count could also go. It will give a lot cleaner look, and make navigation easier and less distractful.
For those interested, it can always be found in statistics, right?
Giving it a bit more thought, what could be interesting to have there is 'post count today'.
That would give a quick indication 'where the action is'.
Another variation on that could be to have 'post count since your last visit', but only if it will give that count based on your last ip visit, not on your last log-in.
Don't judge this by the exact design, but would it be an idea to have such shortcut buttons?
It is a meager implementation compared with AvikB's first proposals for such buttons, but for now it would perhaps be better than nothing?
About the top menu bar(s):what do you mean? the whole site uses that color scheme for the menu. only the landing page has transparent background.
On the web page, they have a transparent background, which makes them blend perfectly with the rest of the page. But on the forum they currently are plain dark grey.
In my humble opinion the forum page might look even better if the color scheme of those would match a bit more with the whole page.
About the top menu bar(s):what do you mean? the whole site uses that color scheme for the menu. only the landing page has transparent background.
On the web page, they have a transparent background, which makes them blend perfectly with the rest of the page. But on the forum they currently are plain dark grey.
In my humble opinion the forum page might look even better if the color scheme of those would match a bit more with the whole page.
Well, that is what I compared it with.yeah i get it, but it is intended.
On the website the menu's are nicely integrating in the whole page, but on the forum, they are in a rather high contrasting dark grey.
No problem at all, perhaps just a small matter of taste.
And, with the dark theme, it again blends beautiful.
Well, that is what I compared it with.yeah i get it, but it is intended.
On the website the menu's are nicely integrating in the whole page, but on the forum, they are in a rather high contrasting dark grey.
No problem at all, perhaps just a small matter of taste.
And, with the dark theme, it again blends beautiful.
i decided to keep the menu clean, also adding background image to a menu has some unwanted side effects due to being responsive.
But I do seem to recall you also contemplated a while back to perhaps using some hexagon background for that? Something similar with what is at the top of the current website, and on the bottom of the new forum?
My suggestion would be to remove the entire Search: section and just have the tabs at the top and the search box you already have on the right (which would filter for the tab you have selected) - I would have noticed the tabs if the results were immediately under them.instead of completely removing it i am thinking of expanding the big search box with category ONCE user select advance search.
* forum is now named community, let me know if you guys agree with this one or not.
In itself I can appreciate the intention of using 'community'.well i am trying to bring musicbee website to the new fashionable era after all :P, anyway i prefer both. i am just looking forward getting some feedback on this.
Yet I think that the 'place' where you would meet with the community would be called 'the forum'.
'Community' to my ears also sounds a little bit fashionable.
In our case, if you would really like it to be very informal 'The Hive' could be an option, but if you want it to be formally better descriptive, I personally think I would prefer the old (Greek) fashioned and well-proved 'forum'.The hive is really a nice option. But i doubt most would be able to figure out what that means... specially new users.
The hive is really a nice option. But i doubt most would be able to figure out what that means... specially new users.
I haven't looked at this thread before today. I pointed the browser to http://test.getmusicbee.com and...It is functional, but i the code base is not production ready. The main reason i am hesitant because unlike software, website are not easy to update once it is live. Things may break. So wait a little longer i will publish it when i feel like it is ready :)
What are you waiting for??? Just kidding. But not really. If this is functional enough (not that I tried) to implement, go for it.
This looks AWESOME AWESOME!! Great Great work!! v3 and a terrific website update. I hope the new website is what people will see when v3 is officially released!!:)
While partly suggested jokingly, I honestly like it too. It's seems quite fitting on many levels.haha, the menu items could be renamed(except addon menu) so maybe we could do a poll on this one when the new site & forum goes live. ^^
But I believe I mentioned this term in the past somewhere before, but it then triggered no response whatsoever.
So it's probably too far away from safe and known terminology.
Sometimes you just might want to 'dare to be different' though.
Got questions? Need help?
Go to The Hive (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php)!
New update. Addon page is now overhauled. check it out and let me know.that is much much better!
http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons/s/?q=&type=all&overview (http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons/s/?q=&type=all&overview)
+1New update. Addon page is now overhauled. check it out and let me know.that is much much better!
http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons/s/?q=&type=all&overview (http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons/s/?q=&type=all&overview)
that is much much better!
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is the ADD-ONS page fully functional now?when ever the url is kb/?code=xxx means something is wrong. And in your case you are not logged in. I haven't build the error page yet. But when it is complete it should show you the error.
- "Submit your Add-on" http://test.getmusicbee.com/kb/?code=102#dashboard_submit opens a blank page for me
- What did you have in mind for "Misc" (i know its for Miscellaneous but not sure what would go in thereAnything that does not fit in other category. I am not add-on developer myself so i don't know what kind of add-on you can build. But it is good have a category that allow other things besides plugin, skin, theater mode, visualizer.
- Also would anyone volunteer to create the text for "How to Install Add-Ons" ?I am planning to do the site specific wikia content. things like, dashboard options, how to upload/submit add-ons, installing things. etc.
for the main home page, overall its great. The only thing I spotted was "Go to Quality Guide". I am happy if someone volunteers to write something generic for this section but its not really something i want to advertise for MusicBee ie. imply that it somehow produces better quality music. Saying that i am fine with the rest of the "Sound Quality Matters" section.well i will talk about this with psychoadept, and will come up with the content. so don't worry.
filter for the tab you have selected I would have noticed the tabs if the results were immediately under them.I have added selected tab filtering. It should only show the result from the selected tab. Also to make things a bit more clear when a user now make searches a Search tab will be highlighted instead of category tabs, this will make things a bit more clear. Currently it also shows highlight search tab for tags, which will be fixed in future updates.
a couple of bugs with the submit add-ons:Ah it seems i messed the html little bit :P, it should be fixed now. update pushed.
- it doesnt remember the version you enter
- entering this for a thumbnaili have made some changes to allow large urls for database. BUT it still won't show on addon page as the url contains brackets. I am looking into this issue.
http://getmusicbee.com/images/skin_preview/albums_tracks/Beer%20Skin%20(Album%20and%20Track).jpg
results in
http://getmusicbee.com/images/skin_preview/albums_tracks/Beer%20Skin%20(Album%20
if the following is not ready for testing then let me know and i will stop:yes as i mentioned above the control center will be removed and will be added to dashboard.
also the website control center formatting is not working well - i can post a screenshot if needed
Add a new version! in the same panel returns an error code
- entering this for a thumbnail
http://getmusicbee.com/images/skin_preview/albums_tracks/Beer%20Skin%20(Album%20and%20Track).jpg
results in
http://getmusicbee.com/images/skin_preview/albums_tracks/Beer%20Skin%20(Album%20
A possible problem I see with that implementation is that it is not certain that every posted add-on can, and will be evaluated by a moderator. This could be because the mod(s) don't own a required hardware device, or might simply not be interested or motivated to install that particular plugin to test it.The verification is to prevent spams, and also floodgate. i do trust the community for providing quality addons without malicious intent. But ofc, humans are complicated and it is not easy to trust them by nature.
But I support and understand the idea behind it, this trying to prevent malicious or nonsense postings of add-ons.
I suggest another approach for this.Don't you think that is a bit of stretch! And besides it will require a human to verify the forum post. I have made support/discussion link mandatory for addons that are beta. but to make it fully mandatory might be too much. ofc if others agrees i will make the changes otherwise i would prefer not to.
Make it mandatory to post an introductory- and explanatory post, including the download link in the forum.
Implement a standard delay of e.g. 48 hours before an added plugin is visible for normal users.Currently unverified add-ons are completely invisible to users BUT they can still access them if they got direct link.
That will give it a valid period for the plugin to be screened at least a little bit with the help and feedback from the community.
If after these 48 hours passed, the plugin has not been reported to be malicious or nonsense, nor by forum posts, nor by a report to the mods, it will become visible in the download area automatically.
The worst that might happen, is that a malicious/nonsense add-on is posted, that it is not responded to by anyone in these 48 hours, and gets published automatically.
I have another suggestion that might help to cover that (rather unlikely) possibility, namely by giving each and every published add-on a visual indicator (I can't find the right word, 'stamp?') naming it 'unverified', just explaining that it has not yet been tested for functionality or viruses.
The mods will be able to see a list of yet unverified add-ons, and can remove that 'unverified tag' either by own assessment, by responses from forum members, or after personal note or request from the creator of that add-on. It would also allow for bypassing the 48hours waiting time.mods/admin can see non verified addons and approve them, soft delete, reject them.
I believe such a system would also be much easier for the mods to handle than trying out and test all add-ons by themselves.
Also if needed i can implement disqus comment. ofc someone need to mod them as well. :S
A possible problem I see with that implementation is that it is not certain that every posted add-on can, and will be evaluated by a moderator. This could be because the mod(s) don't own a required hardware device, or might simply not be interested or motivated to install that particular plugin to test it.The verification is to prevent spams, and also floodgate. i do trust the community for providing quality addons without malicious intent. But ofc, humans are complicated and it is not easy to trust them by nature.
But I support and understand the idea behind it, this trying to prevent malicious or nonsense postings of add-ons.I suggest another approach for this.Don't you think that is a bit of stretch! And besides it will require a human to verify the forum post. I have made support/discussion link mandatory for addons that are beta. but to make it fully mandatory might be too much. ofc if others agrees i will make the changes otherwise i would prefer not to.
Make it mandatory to post an introductory- and explanatory post, including the download link in the forum.Implement a standard delay of e.g. 48 hours before an added plugin is visible for normal users.Currently unverified add-ons are completely invisible to users BUT they can still access them if they got direct link.
That will give it a valid period for the plugin to be screened at least a little bit with the help and feedback from the community.
If after these 48 hours passed, the plugin has not been reported to be malicious or nonsense, nor by forum posts, nor by a report to the mods, it will become visible in the download area automatically.
The worst that might happen, is that a malicious/nonsense add-on is posted, that it is not responded to by anyone in these 48 hours, and gets published automatically.
I have another suggestion that might help to cover that (rather unlikely) possibility, namely by giving each and every published add-on a visual indicator (I can't find the right word, 'stamp?') naming it 'unverified', just explaining that it has not yet been tested for functionality or viruses.
All non-verified addon will show warning. They are invisible but if someone visit them by direct links the addon page will show warning.
If an addon is rejected the download link won't show. only the warning message. Members can re-submit rejected add-ons for re-verification.
and if an addon is soft deleted(mods can only soft delete, only admin can permanently delete them or they will be automatically deleted in a week/days by server) they will throws a red error. admin/mod will be able to undelete as well.The mods will be able to see a list of yet unverified add-ons, and can remove that 'unverified tag' either by own assessment, by responses from forum members, or after personal note or request from the creator of that add-on. It would also allow for bypassing the 48hours waiting time.mods/admin can see non verified addons and approve them, soft delete, reject them.
I believe such a system would also be much easier for the mods to handle than trying out and test all add-ons by themselves.
You can currently sort YOUR OWN SUBMITTED addons by status
I am also working on moderator and admin center now, it will bring some extra features for mods as well. Viewing all deleted, rejected, waiting for approval is also coming for mods as well.
I like the idea of involving community to vote for safe and unsafe addons. It sounds like steam greenlight. :)
But ofc it can also have some negative effect aswell, like users reporting an safe addon as virus just for fun or maybe their shitty antivirus said so. or maybe spam addons got accepted because mods were not online for 48hours or so.
actually during several years there were no malicious addons published, so i wouldn't care too much about this.
It is just a thought, coming up after the notion this 'approval' dashboard might be some overkill for MB, and be needing a bit too much mod-interaction.I don't think it is too much of overkill. It is pretty simple. Three actions, approve, delete and reject.
But it seems you are thinking this over very seriously, so let's just wait and see how this plays out in the real world later.
You are right, but I am a bit worried about spam-bots getting more and more advanced.If you guys are worried about spam bots i can implement google's nocaptcha recaptcha for addon submission form, even when a user is logged in.
They already started to enter the gates of the new forum, and I was wondering if something similar might happen with posting files, instead of just texts.
Last year something like this actually happened with the fake (and malicious) MusicBee app on Microsofts' own Store website.Well windows store always has the knockoff crappy apps from the beginning.
I don't think it is too much of overkill. It is pretty simple. Three actions, approve, delete and reject.
all of them are one click solution. No complicated checkboxes or so.
Is the word 'approved' going to show with the add-on to see for regular users?Nope. only the approved addon can be seen and browse by regular users. The word itself won't show anywhere other than dashboard.
I am guessing not, but in case you intend it to, I think it shouldn't.
It might give some false assurance that the plugin is guaranteed to work perfectly.
If you guys are worried about spam bots i can implement google's nocaptcha recaptcha for addon submission form, even when a user is logged in.
Personally in principle I would like it to be as friendly and easy to contribute as possible.yeah i agree. we can include captchas if spamming gets out of hand.
We could just wait and see how it goes.
actually during several years there were no malicious addons published, so i wouldn't care too much about this.I agree 100%. Spam in general is currently under control by a) requiring user registration to use the forum, and b) by the moderators deleting the little bit that gets manually posted - kitchen cabinets, anyone?
I propose launching the website/forum without the restriction and if there's a need down the road, add it.this
Personally in principle I would like it to be as friendly and easy to contribute as possible.Exactly.
We could just wait and see how it goes.
I notice the 'New Poll' button is present in every board.you should be able to change the board permission and not allow polls.
You'll probably only want that button available in the 'General Discussions' board.
Or perhaps even better, keep the button available in all boards, but automatically have any new poll started, directed to and posted in the 'General Discussions' board.Is that even possible? i don't think SMF can do that.
you should be able to change the board permission and not allow polls.
Is that even possible? i don't think SMF can do that.
It would be awesome if the forums had an option to select a forum theme such as dark theme or light theme
Leave it as "Forum". And turn avatars and sigs off by default.
yes, +1Leave it as "Forum". And turn avatars and sigs off by default.
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Leave it as "Forum". And turn avatars and sigs off by default.+1 +1
You can turn both of them off from your profile setting.Leave it as "Forum". And turn avatars and sigs off by default.+1 +1
Agree with both.
You can turn both of them off from your profile setting.Turning them off from one's profile setting is not the same as having them off by default. That means they're -on- by default. Which I would not like to see. Users don't set their local time in their current profile, for example. They're not going to turn off the avatar is it's on by default.
Just out of curiosity, what is your problem with avatars? I find them useful to keep people apart and find back my own posts. I don't usually notice screen names at all on fora.
Just out of curiosity, what is your problem with avatars? I find them useful to keep people apart and find back my own posts. I don't usually notice screen names at all on fora.I too, find them distracting. And don't get me started on the animated ones.
Just out of curiosity, what is your problem with avatars? I find them useful to keep people apart and find back my own posts. I don't usually notice screen names at all on fora.
I find them useful to keep people apart and find back my own posts.
Turning them off from one's profile setting is not the same as having them off by default. That means they're -on- by default. Which I would not like to see. Users don't set their local time in their current profile, for example. They're not going to turn off the avatar is it's on by default.
Personally, I would rather see no option whatsoever for avatars.
Why not? Turning them off by default is not the same as disabling the function altogether.Because there is no reason for them to be turned off by default.
The same can be said for the opposite: There is no reason for them to be turned on by default.Why not? Turning them off by default is not the same as disabling the function altogether.Because there is no reason for them to be turned off by default.
Just stumbled across this topic so these might have been mentioned before.Should be fixed in next few updates.
On the homepage of http://test.getmusicbee.com/
- "MusicBee also supports podcasts and web radio stations and Soundcloud integration" should be "MusicBee also supports podcasts, web radio stations and Soundcloud integration"
- Image is fubar: http://test.getmusicbee.com/img/mb_tag_feature.jpgI haven't completed them yet :( , i am not good with graphic design and stuff so they are the last thing on my todo list.
On the download page http://test.getmusicbee.com/download/I have no idea where did you saw serfi? all fonts are roboto if i didn't make any mistake :/, can you post a screenshot?
- You pull a serif font out of nowhere (doesn't fit well with the rest)
- Also, the awesome screen-filling goodness showcased on the homepage is nowhere to be seen. It feels a lot less polished.
Login page (http://test.getmusicbee.com/forum/?action=login)icon will be changed in phases as the forum has a LOTS of them it is possible for me to update them at once.
- Uses a default icon. Doesn't fit in with the rest (http://test.getmusicbee.com/forum/Themes/mb_modern/images/icons/login_sm.gif)
- Login form can be wider. Would be more in line with the rest of the website. It feels a bit off, just like to download page
- "Forgot your password" should have an orange hover effect
- This page is 'part of' the forum, as indicated by the secondary menu bar and the breadcrumb navigation. That is not needed and counter-intuitive. You could redirect to the forum after login but as the login button is visible on the whole website and doesn't seem to be related to the forum, you should not suddenly get forum functionality just by clicking on it.
Forum home pageIt is how SMF works. One can't change them without hacks or editing core files, which i am trying to avoid as much as possible. So don't expect this to happen.
- The breadcrumb navigation starts at the forum, not at the main website. That makes the forum more a separate thing than you seem to be intending. I would change it to "Musicbee > Forum (or community) > ...."
- The Forum Stats section of the page looks messy and technical. Use spacing more freely, remove the brackets around the "more stats" link or just remove the whole thing or change it to a "latest posts" section because that's about the only thing in there. You could link to the "more stats" somewhere where you're actually showing stats, like a bit above, where you show general statistics like number of posts, topics and members.Stats section is by default messy that's why i created a much more spaced out non technical stat above that. The messy stat can be collapsed if required.
- Shouldn't those general stats like number of posts, topics and members be below the " MusicBee Test - Info Center " header?- not necessarily, those stats are just overview and after that much more technical stat is placed.
- The "MusicBee Test - Info Center" header is invisible
Overall- I have plans to show the logo instead of text. But i haven't talked to steven about the logo. It is not priority right now, will change it once the core site is pretty stable.
- I miss the logo. Is that intentional?
- Try to question your users why they use MusicBee above other players and let those features show on the homepage. I for one use MusicBee because, it's easy to use out-of-the-box but if you want something more, it's usually possible and the option will be right there where you expect it to be.
Roboto is a non-standard font and I don't see you loading it anywhere in your CSS as webfont. You probably have it installed on your computer so it renders fine for you. Most elements render in Sans-Serif or Verdana on my PC because you configured those as fallback in the body style but for some reason you specify custom font parameters for some elements (.show_info, input, .btn, H1, H3 and .mainmenu) where H3 doesn't have any fallback fonts configured.On the download page http://test.getmusicbee.com/download/I have no idea where did you saw serfi? all fonts are roboto if i didn't make any mistake :/, can you post a screenshot?
- You pull a serif font out of nowhere (doesn't fit well with the rest)
- Also, the awesome screen-filling goodness showcased on the homepage is nowhere to be seen. It feels a lot less polished.
As for awesome screen filling goodness, what do you mean by nowhere to be seen?The homepage is formatted with a lot of free space and (background) images that stretch from left to right. I have configured your H3 tags to display Sans-Serif for me now so I can take a new look at the download page.
The website uses forum login for EVERYTHING! it is the base authentication. i have no plans of changing it.Forum auth being the base auth for the website is not the problem. The login page being a visible part of the forum, without clicking on something forum related is confusing. Just getting rid of the secondery_nav and navigate_section on the login page would fix that. As you're understandably reluctant to change core files of the forum, this is probably something you can't change.
Is it an idea to collapse it by default or for all non-logged-in users to leave a solid first impression?- The Forum Stats section of the page looks messy and technical. Use spacing more freely, remove the brackets around the "more stats" link or just remove the whole thing or change it to a "latest posts" section because that's about the only thing in there. You could link to the "more stats" somewhere where you're actually showing stats, like a bit above, where you show general statistics like number of posts, topics and members.Stats section is by default messy that's why i created a much more spaced out non technical stat above that. The messy stat can be collapsed if required.
- Why you ask? well different people have different answer. for me i like it because it has a nice UI(with skin ofc), supports milkdrop visualizer, consumes less RAM, has itune like expand album feature(which is a must for me), auto tag feature, auto organize and so on.The different idea's might be the reason the ask the question. Let users braindump their reasons to pick MusicBee over other software, make a selection of 10-20 features that make MusicBee stand out and create a poll to pick the features that should be mentioned on the homepage.
It is really hard to cover WHY? because WHY NOT?
Roboto is a non-standard font and I don't see you loading it anywhere in your CSS as webfont. You probably have it installed on your computer so it renders fine for you. Most elements render in Sans-Serif or Verdana on my PC because you configured those as fallback in the body style but for some reason you specify custom font parameters for some elements (.show_info, input, .btn, H1, H3 and .mainmenu) where H3 doesn't have any fallback fonts configured.Ah crap, i completely forgot to include roboto from googlefonts :P, it must've slipped my mind when i switched to scss. it should be fixed now.
At my screen resolution (1080p with 125% DPI scale) the left side of the download screen looks a bit empty. It feels like the whole page is shifted to the right because the screenshot fills the right part of the screen but the left part is empty space. Also, on the homepage, you use generous spacing for everything, for example the feature boxes and hero-buttons. The boxes on the download page feel cramped with a lot less spacing and buttons that seem to big for the space they are allotted. Increase the paddings in the boxes, center the buttons and increase their margins and you'll go a long way to making those boxes feel less cramped. You can also make sure that the right side of the screen has roughly the same amount of empty space as the left side by making the screenshot smaller or just centering the whole page.The button text seems big because of the messed up font it should look good in Roboto.
Now that I look at it again, it probably doesn't help that the screenshot is cut of at the right side of the page. >Screenshot< (http://joolee.nl/images/Musicbee-Downloadpage.png)
Forum auth being the base auth for the website is not the problem. The login page being a visible part of the forum, without clicking on something forum related is confusing. Just getting rid of the secondery_nav and navigate_section on the login page would fix that. As you're understandably reluctant to change core files of the forum, this is probably something you can't change.I am actually planning on making a separate login page for v2.0(the next big update), the forum will use it's own login page and the site will use it's own. But both of them will use same credential. OFC it is nothing more than plan at this point as i haven't looked in what kind of hash algorithm SMF uses.
Is it an idea to collapse it by default or for all non-logged-in users to leave a solid first impression?I am planning to leave it as is for now. There will be another major forum theme+layout change when SMF 2.1 will be released.
The different idea's might be the reason the ask the question. Let users braindump their reasons to pick MusicBee over other software, make a selection of 10-20 features that make MusicBee stand out and create a poll to pick the features that should be mentioned on the homepage.
@AvikB, the v3 UI is complete. Its already at the Release Candidate stage and should be going live at the end of this month so no more GUI changes will happen - just bug fixes.thanks for the confirmation. I will update the images in the Next update which will be the first stable build.
Hey AvikB,
Just in case you are curious what the forum looks like now on a system with a strict 'no fuzzy fonts here' policy ;-)
The previously serif fonts are now indeed sans-serif.
Not all the fonts look particularly nice on my setup (especially the small-type bold ones), but that's not a problem.
(and I am the only one bitching about it anyway ;-)
Ah thanks for posting this issue, i will post an update in 1-2 day to resolve this issue.
I am thinking of completely switching to verdana if font-smoothing is disabled, what font do you think will suite for those edgy view?
The font used in the current forum looks fine. is that verdana?
PS,that should be Verdana.
The screenshot from the other forum I pm'ed you last week also looked good. Not sure what font that was though.
But you said it was some SMF default theme?
I have also added(and tested) support for HTTPS(SSL) for the site.i would need to purchase a dedicated IP address which i am fine with doing.
Btw do you have any plan to move the site to ssl? letsencrypt.org (http://letsencrypt.org) give free ssl certificate, and backed up some major corporations(mozialla, facebook and others). i am sure this topic has been discussed previously and the cost is always the issue. But yesterday Lets Encrypt released their first stable release and it could be a great opportunity to make the site more secure and trusted.
I am actually planning on making a separate login page for v2.0(the next big update), the forum will use it's own login page and the site will use it's own. But both of them will use same credential. OFC it is nothing more than plan at this point as i haven't looked in what kind of hash algorithm SMF uses.Does this mean you're planning to have a login for the website??? I can understand the need for authorization on the forum, but not for the website.
Does this mean you're planning to have a login for the website??? I can understand the need for authorization on the forum, but not for the website.
I understand that this is only an idea at this point.Does this mean you're planning to have a login for the website??? I can understand the need for authorization on the forum, but not for the website.
Don't worry there won't be any login for the website. i will use forum for authentication, only there will be a much more modern login page. OFC as i said it is only a idea now no promise.
I understand that this is only an idea at this point.The website can be fully accessed with or without any authentication. The only thing that require login/account is the addon like feature, addon submission and creating a new topic on forum ofc.
When you say you'll use the forum for authentication for the website, does that mean that visitors to the website would need to register on the forum?
i would need to purchase a dedicated IP address which i am fine with doing.i don't think that is needed. here is one of letsencrypt dev's response:
However for the certificate itself, i dont have access to any command line in order to generate the certificate. I will look into this thoughThere are few ways around that, you can also talk to your hosting provider.
The website can be fully accessed with or without any authentication. The only thing that require login/account is the addon like feature, addon submission and creating a new topic on forum ofc.Understood. Thanks.
I do think that requiring a user to register solely to download skins or plugins is a mistake. I agree it should be required for uploading. But not for downloading. Neither the current forum nor the Wiki require it now.downloading won't require an account in anyway. i am not keen on forcing user with unnecessary restriction.
MusicBee is a lot, but simple is not the first word that comes to my mind describing it...
(and in my language that word can also have some slightly negative connotation, as the opposite of advanced, smart, refined)
I know phred is going to review the text on the website before it goes live, so perhaps I speak too soon, but I have some doubts about using the word 'simple' in the slogan "Simple, Powerful, and Fast"Thanks for pointing this out.
MusicBee is a lot, but simple is not the first word that comes to my mind describing it...
(and in my language that word can also have some slightly negative connotation, as the opposite of advanced, smart, refined)
for me when describing MusicBee the first words that come to my mind is beutiful, powerful, snappy.Intuitive, beautiful and complete
ofc different people will have different experience, but i care how software looks and works, and musicbee is a wonderful combination of both :)
Intuitive, beautiful and complete+1 :)
@AvikB I am very much looking forward to seeing the finished site in action - I hope it isn't too far away.+1
+2@AvikB I am very much looking forward to seeing the finished site in action - I hope it isn't too far away.+1
Good to see the progress that you've made on the site. I do wonder about the 'reviews' section near the bottom of the home page. Are the white boxes on the right supposed to have live links? If not, shouldn't there be some quotes from the named sources? Boasting about good reviews and then not showing them, or not showing a link to them, makes one wonder if the reviews are real.no they won't have links. yes there will be quotes from sources.
I wouldn't include any of the current sources in the reviews section. They're either biased and never really paid any attention (CHIP) or show outdated reviews (all of them).I will probably exclude chip.de. Even if they are paid the user still trusts cnet, softpedia, techsupportalert, ghacks etc. they might be outdated by MB still got some nice review which should make the new user a little bit more confident.
I will probably exclude chip.de. Even if they are paid the user still trusts cnet, softpedia, techsupportalert, ghacks etc. they might be outdated by MB still got some nice review which should make the new user a little bit more confident.+1
i really like the new website but I do have one suggestion - does anyone else feel another MB screenshot should be used for the main picture by "The Ultimate Music Manager and Player"? I just feel its too grey and repeating the same album cover. The Taylor Swift one down the bottom of the page for example is much more interestingI feel they're both too gray. But I suppose that's the default skin which should be what's featured. Maybe a simple exchange of location between the two would suffice. Taylor Swift screenshot on top and move the current top one to where Swift was.
Is the release date for the latest version and patch defaulting to today's date? I think I've been running 5995 since last weekend.it is because i just did some major upgrading on the backend and the front end of the site. so just to be sure that they are working i published a stable version and a patch release.
i really like the new website but I do have one suggestion - does anyone else feel another MB screenshot should be used for the main picture by "The Ultimate Music Manager and Player"? I just feel its too grey and repeating the same album cover. The Taylor Swift one down the bottom of the page for example is much more interestingi will try to get the image with different album
Love the update. Had a question though. Is it possible to paste artwork into the "All Artists" entry of the thumbnail browser? Bit of an eyesore to see it stick out.
Thanks in advance.
i am genuinely impressed and there has been a lot of thought put in to the design and useful linkages.
I will try and spend time testing this over the next few days, but some instant ones:
- on the http://test.getmusicbee.com/bug/ page, the Create a new Bug report and go to website discussion buttons dont work
- on the downloads page, for the patch version, because i update it most days i am not going to maintain the number or release date so i suggest those fields get removed from the page
- again on the downloads page, is it intentional the icons on the right are not clickable - at least the Wiki section and the Skins & Plugins section should be clickableI will make them clickable in next update. :)
- should say "Release Notes" not "Release Note"fixed for the next update.
- on the Addons page: "Want to extend Musicbee's" should be "Want to extend MusicBee's"
- the PayPal link just takes you to the paypal home page. I can give you the full link used on the current site if neededas i said above you will need to change it from the admin setting page i linked above.
- on the http://test.getmusicbee.com/bug/ page, the Create a new Bug report and go to website discussion buttons dont workGo to admin panel and set the links first.
- again on the downloads page, is it intentional the icons on the right are not clickable - at least the Wiki section and the Skins & Plugins section should be clickableupdated with this change and some language fix Steven pointed out.
Thats great news. I want to sync that with the next v3 update which I think that should be 2-3 weeks from nowThats ok with me :)
Added Wikia support in the help page. Now Most popular, Most Viewed, New wikia Article list will be shown on the sidebar.
Also removed some unnecessary code.
I like that idea, but where are you getting info on most viewed, etc? Wikia is not always reliable on that stuff...i am using Wikia API.
@AvikB, i plan to do the next v3 update towards the end of next week and i will have some time off next week so i can look at testing/ preparing for the website update. Does that suit you?
my website administators have blocked access to test.getmusicbee.com due to a spam attackthat sucks. Hope they help you out quickly.
I have contacted them to re-enable access
@hiccup, if you are still following this topic, i deleted one of your proposed boards the last time there was a spam attack. Do you recall the forum structure you originally proposed and recognise what is missing?
I should have the PMs and will take a look in a couple of hours.PM sent to Steven and hiccup
We will need to load skins/ plugins into the new database so i would ask any active skin/ plugin developers to help out with loading your own skins.BTW, do not load them in the test site. Wait till the new site is uploaded and working.
Will those notifications also be sent as plain text? Call me old school, but I don't receive HTML email.i will add plain text option as well. don't worry ;)
Unless mentioned by the Author, all add-ons and screenshots are licensed undercc by-sa 3.0should read
Unless mentioned by the Author, all add-ons and screenshots are licensed under cc by-sa 3.0
Very nice ! :)Thanks.
(very) minor typo at bottom of add-ons download page (http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons/skins/3/arsenic/ (http://test.getmusicbee.com/addons/skins/3/arsenic/))Fixed, will post update soon.QuoteUnless mentioned by the Author, all add-ons and screenshots are licensed undercc by-sa 3.0should readQuoteUnless mentioned by the Author, all add-ons and screenshots are licensed under cc by-sa 3.0
Just wow! The new design is rocking. I however request you to work on seo to help users easier to find this gold mine. MediaMonkey and Helium tops the google results even though they can't stand a chance with MusicBee.I am not a SEO master or anything :S, but i did almost everything regarding good SEO. All needed meta tags are in place.(you can view using "view page source"), also included open search on addon page, twitter card, facebook's open graph and other social integration.
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Liking the new look, but the amount of space to write posts is pretty small. See pic: (http://2.t.imgbox.com/NPITtBtJ.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/NPITtBtJ)
Woo, this is definitely more mobile-friendly!:) The website is 100% mobile friendly, the forum is 85% or so mobile friendly.
I agree. There should not only be a box around the area, or some other way of defining the area, but it should be larger. The typographic options take up more space than the text editing area. And you can only see one line at a time while typing. Instead of all the typographic options being spelled out in words, why not have icons representing the various options, along with hover popups.It is a bug. This is due to some issue with forum skin directory. It will be fixed.
yes as mentioned previously i will look at that as a separate step after we are sure everything else is ok
@hiccup how is everything looking with edgy fonts?
;) ok thanks, i will include a fix for this issue in the upcoming patch update. It is already night here, so i am planning to fix it by tomorrow morning.@hiccup how is everything looking with edgy fonts?This is very eerie AvikB! You can mind-read from a very long distance.... Just as you posted this, I was creating a post with a screenshot on this matter. Here are a few area's that seem not to have the replacement font yet:
(http://i.imgur.com/IxQiF2Nl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/IxQiF2N.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IAslpJsl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/IAslpJs.png)
But first, congrats, and thanks a lot for all your work and effort getting this new forum live!!!
This area might also be in need for some refinement. Both in font replacement, alignment, and possibly placement/integration of the 'new' buttons. (http://i.imgur.com/qsDnxfDl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/qsDnxfD.png)yeah i already discussed that with Steven, will be fixed in the upcoming patch.
And another thing, the coloring of these sticky posts could perhaps be a bit more sophisticated and subtle? It's quite a big pink/orange block now. The two different shades of pink are also not very 'easy on the eyes'. (http://i.imgur.com/P4rEzUSl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/P4rEzUS.png)
That's much better indeed! (is the different alignment of Replies/Views between sticky and not sticky intentional?) if you are going to use the same 'new' buttons, for the dark theme you might want to look at the (border) transparency of the 'new' button: (http://i.imgur.com/YIVBCdwl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YIVBCdw.png) have a good night!those icons are SMF default and lacks transparency. New icon will take some time.
The new forum style is gorgeous!
In the past I sometimes missed a post because a new one was posted while I was reading one from another page. Let me explain: Suppose you are reading the posts on page 2 like this: When a new post is created by somebody while you have page 2 open, and then you go to page 1, the post (post #10) that was on the bottom of page 1 before the new message was posted, is moved to the top of page 2 when you switch to page 1 (and it becomes post #11). So in that case you will never see that specific post. On the former forum I learned to keep an eye on the total amount of posts (that I believe was somewhere in view on the top), so when that number increased when switching to another page, I knew I had to go back to the former page to check for a post that I might miss otherwise. For this reason, could we have the 'total post' count somewhere in sight at the top of the page? (as I created in the mock-up)
In the dashboard these entries have small asterixes behind them. Should they refer to some more explanation on those items?Yes Asterix means those are mandatory and must be filled.
Not sure if this is the proper place to give feedback on the new forum redesign.Can you post an screenshot showing the issue? it will help me better understand the problem.
Still have to get used to it, but one thing is immediately unpleasant: in the FORM the interlace between lines is too small. Makes reading difficult. In the published post it is different and normal.
Hope you can adjust.
Thanks,
Wim
Yes Asterix means those are mandatory and must be filled.
yeah i suppose you are right.Yes Asterix means those are mandatory and must be filled.I see. Perhaps that should be explained somewhere?
@hiccup, btw how is the edgy fonts? I fixed the ones i found, there might be others i missed. Let me know if you found any.
@hiccup, btw how is the edgy fonts? I fixed the ones i found, there might be others i missed. Let me know if you found any.
In dark theme the post # is very difficult to distinguish. Also, the font size for that number is very large. Considering it's rather low relevance, I feel it could be a lot smaller not to draw this much attention. (http://i.imgur.com/H4mWOgwl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/H4mWOgw.png)Fixed for the next update
And, when previewing a post before posing, the preview text is black on dark-grey:
(http://i.imgur.com/c5nbND6l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/c5nbND6.png)
:)@hiccup, btw how is the edgy fonts? I fixed the ones i found, there might be others i missed. Let me know if you found any.It is becoming great! I am really glad you are still open to make adjustments for this, the forum is becoming more and more pleasurable on the eyes. B.t.w. the topmost caption bar sliding & hiding when you scroll down the page is also very nice and sophisticated!
@hiccup, btw how is the edgy fonts? I fixed the ones i found, there might be others i missed. Let me know if you found any.(http://i.imgur.com/Tjd5wrql.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Tjd5wrq.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/NPfSu82l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NPfSu82.png) edit: another one: (http://i.imgur.com/mXXQxgXl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/mXXQxgX.png)
Such a refreshing change to see the new forum and website, great job AvikB and everyone else involved!Thanks. :)
These icons have different colors. Do they serve a purpose, or is it just for alternating sake? (if the latter, I would prefer the same icon color for all)Grey icon means no new post.
(http://i.imgur.com/4b94WRal.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/4b94WRa.png)
In light theme, this icon is almost indistinguishable:.... probably will be fixed.
(http://i.imgur.com/BWsxBh5l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/BWsxBh5.png)
Difficult to read in dark theme: Child Boards:Will look into this.
(http://i.imgur.com/f5qc6ehl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/f5qc6eh.png)
username (blue on black)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZPL43kXl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZPL43kX.png)
I made the requested screenshot (a snipping pic in fact) but do not know how to attach it. I can only find an option to add the URL of an image... Please assist... Wim
edgy all-caps fonts ;-)Are those an issue? looks fine to me.
(http://i.imgur.com/zWAvisDl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/zWAvisD.png)
are those bad? they look fine.... edgy to me.
@AvikB: Seems you do not understand my problem. I have a PICTURE ON MY PC that 'serves' as a screenshot. How can I browse to attach it? I have NO URL linked to any image I want to attach...we don't support image attachments. Try uploading that image to imgur and then link here.
Oh, i see. It seems two of them uses different fonts. I will adjust them.are those bad? they look fine.... edgy to me.Oh my dear AvikB, Microsoft has ruined your eyes with their devilish cleartype ;-) Look: The top image is how it is now (ugly), the bottom image is how it looks when I type the same text in a new message (correct): (just compare the colons and you'll see what I mean)
Grey icon means no new post.
yellow icon means new post.
@AvikB: Seems you do not understand my problem. I have a PICTURE ON MY PC that 'serves' as a screenshot. How can I browse to attach it? I have NO URL linked to any image I want to attach...we don't support image attachments. Try uploading that image to imgur and then link here.
All edgy:Unless Avikb already fixed it, it looks like this for me:
(http://i.imgur.com/caU0myil.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/caU0myi.png)
Is it possible for the forum to remember that I prefer the dark theme ? Every time I leave and come back to the forum it reverts to light theme. Also the font color in the dark theme post preview seems off: (http://i.imgur.com/GWAr7og.jpg)
When typing a reply, the line positioning is not adjusted correctly for a new line beyond the bottom of the text box. The new line gets half cut off:
(http://i.imgur.com/vZ3Smcu.png)
Great, again lots of small improvements. One more comment for today: I feel that there is a lot of focus and reserved estate for 'statistics' on the main page. (http://i.imgur.com/oaMJvnwl.jpg)I suppose you are right. Those number really does not contribute anything. I am still deciding if i should remove them or just make them smaller.
(http://i.imgur.com/oaMJvnw.png) In my opinion the fonts for the numbers in these rectangles could be a lot smaller, and I might even argue that the total number of posts in the vertical rectangle is not useful or relevant to have there, and might as well be removed altogether. Anybody interested in such statistics can look that up in the statistics page. Less is more! (I now seem to recall me suggesting something similar last year, that it might be more sensible to show the number of posts for the last 24 hours, or 7 days there, but I believe you then explained that that was not possible with SMF)
Wow! The new website looks great. Love the dark theme. Really nice work. CooganThanks.
What happened to the report to moderator button? Some spam popped up today and I couldn't do anything about it.(http://i.imgur.com/vsUQufH.png)
Just a note, the "report to the moderator flag" hides if the mouse cursor is not within the message body of the post.What happened to the report to moderator button? Some spam popped up today and I couldn't do anything about it.
I suppose you are right. Those number really does not contribute anything. I am still deciding if i should remove them or just make them smaller.
Just a note, the "report to the moderator flag" hides if the mouse cursor is not within the message body of the post.
The title of the post here is cut-off, and it doesn't say the name of the poster. There doesn't seem to be a space issue here, so it could be good to change that. (http://i.imgur.com/2gC3agPl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2gC3agP.png)I am afraid it is not possible. SMF handles it internally.
Forum takes too much space ?(width and height of every post), on my 1366x768 monitor it looks weird, on 1920x1080 it looks OK...
Looks really good :) Love the dark theme.:)
Is uploading a thumbnail, in addition to screenshots, really necessary when submitting a skin? If you look at skins already submitted, all are using one of the screenshots as a thumbnail. If it's really needed for some reason, why not just use the first screenshot (in a lower resolution or whatever)?It is necessary. I can't use the first screenshot, because screenshots are large in size and takes time to load. Thumbnails are smaller and is used for recognize add-ons in a glance. And since images are not hosted in the server, it is not possible to resize them.
If you look at skins already submitted, all are using one of the screenshots as a thumbnail.That is true. a screenshot can be used as thumbnail but a thumbnail can't be used as screenshots, due to their size. I have no problem with someone using a Imgur screenshot as thumbnail, but it is not ok to have a dropbox hosted screenshot as a thumbnail. As i said earlier imgur images can be resized automatically, unlike other hosting services, that's why i want people to use imgur for uploading screenshots or anything.
Forum takes too much space ?(width and height of every post), on my 1366x768 monitor it looks weird, on 1920x1080 it looks OK...Agreed, too much wasted white space, I am finding it much harder to read than the old forum.
Is uploading a thumbnail, in addition to screenshots, really necessary when submitting a skin? If you look at skins already submitted, all are using one of the screenshots as a thumbnail. If it's really needed for some reason, why not just use the first screenshot (in a lower resolution or whatever)?It is necessary. I can't use the first screenshot, because screenshots are large in size and takes time to load. Thumbnails are smaller and is used for recognize add-ons in a glance. And since images are not hosted in the server, it is not possible to resize them.
Ofcourse if someone uses the imgur submission provided by default, we get a smaller resized image back, so no problem. The only problem is if someone use dropbox or other third party providers, they don't provide smaller thubmnail size images.If you look at skins already submitted, all are using one of the screenshots as a thumbnail.That is true. a screenshot can be used as thumbnail but a thumbnail can't be used as screenshots, due to their size. I have no problem with someone using a Imgur screenshot as thumbnail, but it is not ok to have a dropbox hosted screenshot as a thumbnail. As i said earlier imgur images can be resized automatically, unlike other hosting services, that's why i want people to use imgur for uploading screenshots or anything.
We had a test site running over 3-4 month and i went over ALL the feedback over the forum, but everyone was ok with the layout. So i am not going to change it unless a lots of people demand it.Forum takes too much space ?(width and height of every post), on my 1366x768 monitor it looks weird, on 1920x1080 it looks OK...Agreed, too much wasted white space, I am finding it much harder to read than the old forum.
OK. Thanks for replying.
Other skinners might be wondering the same thing. I'd suggest you add this post to the submission guide thread or clarify the point on the guide as the thread is locked.
Hi avik, great job! Also am interested in website development. Can you recommend some good online tutorials including videos? And what languages/scripting should be studied?Just follow along the video and choose a language you like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBzRwzY7G-k
We had a test site running over 3-4 month and i went over ALL the feedback over the forum, but everyone was ok with the layout. So i am not going to change it unless a lots of people demand it.Forum takes too much space ?(width and height of every post), on my 1366x768 monitor it looks weird, on 1920x1080 it looks OK...Agreed, too much wasted white space, I am finding it much harder to read than the old forum.
We had a test site running over 3-4 month and i went over ALL the feedback over the forum, but everyone was ok with the layout.
Of course you are absolutely right AvikB. But let's not forget that the test site had a very limited number of users, and very little daily activity. Now that the forum is live, and there is a lot of activity, I myself also find that I am still adapting to some changes, and finding reading it slightly more difficult at the moment. This was not that obvious to me when using the test forum, where we of course were focusing on other things too. I wish I had a screenshot of the old forum (anybody?) to compare, so I might see if it is mostly imaginary, or that I could put the finger on what specifically might possibly be improved, without the need for you to make too rigorous changes. One thing coming to mind that I think I need to adapt to is the much more graphic and colored (green) displays of 'Quotes'. Graphically it's very nice, but it's drawing a lot of attention and taking up quite some screen space. Also the headers of the posts are partly in bold type. Might be o.k., but together with the large quote fields, it makes the actual text of the postings themselves almost getting the least attention compared to the quotes and the header. Indeed there also is more 'white' in the postings. But that might be due to the request of many to have avatars, which might also need some reserved vertical space, even when not present?
Please don't shoot me ;-) but I am sure in that period I have mentioned once or twice that I would prefer some thinner bars and fields at some locations.
For now, I noticed that the alignment for the sticky posts is not yet adjusted to be similar to the other posts.
Is it intentional that the area in the green rectangular is white instead of having the same color as the rest of the bars?It is intentional. Does it look bad?
Also here I find that the vertical space for each topic could be decreased a little bit.Unfortunately i will leave it as it is since it is minor. The forum uses html table which is not good for styling and causes issues(like this). Fixing it would be a huge risk as it will always break something else. sorry about that. :(
And I notice that some are even higher than others, while they hardly have content that justifies that.
Unfortunately i will leave it as it is since it is minor. The forum uses html table which is not good for styling and causes issues(like this). Fixing it would be a huge risk as it will always break something else. sorry about that. :(
I don't understand why every add-on I submit has to get approved by admin/mod. I'm waiting hours for a TM I submitted. Also I made a slight edit for a skin, and it's on the waiting list again. I'd suggest only first add-on requires approval and once a user gets approved with the first add-on, then all restrictions should be removed for the user from that moment. We had no issues at all on the previous website without any approval involved.By default a user need atleast 3 approved add-on to submit add-on without approval. But yeah i think only approving first add-on is a good idea. Fortunately it can be changed by Steven(admin). I will ask him to reduce the limitation.
I don't understand why every add-on I submit has to get approved by admin/mod. I'm waiting hours for a TM I submitted. Also I made a slight edit for a skin, and it's on the waiting list again. I'd suggest only first add-on requires approval and once a user gets approved with the first add-on, then all restrictions should be removed for the user from that moment. We had no issues at all on the previous website without any approval involved.I agree with this 100%. I'm sure I said something when it was first discussed during the early days of the redesign. I probably said something like "just because it can be done doesn't mean it should be done."
i have set the value to 1I don't understand why every add-on I submit has to get approved by admin/mod. I'm waiting hours for a TM I submitted. Also I made a slight edit for a skin, and it's on the waiting list again. I'd suggest only first add-on requires approval and once a user gets approved with the first add-on, then all restrictions should be removed for the user from that moment. We had no issues at all on the previous website without any approval involved.By default a user need atleast 3 approved add-on to submit add-on without approval. But yeah i think only approving first add-on is a good idea. Fortunately it can be changed by Steven(admin). I will ask him to reduce the limitation.
i have set the value to 1
Agreed, too much wasted white space, I am finding it much harder to read than the old forum.+1
for the people who are saying there is too much wasted white space, can you post a screenshot as i am certainly not seeing itNew
for the people who are saying there is too much wasted white space, can you post a screenshot as i am certainly not seeing it
Lastly, not counting Steven, there seem to be only two active mods (hiccup and myself.) I can't speak for Steven or hiccup, but I'm not sitting at my computer all day waiting to see if something needs approval. So it's entirely possible approvals could take a day or two.
Lastly, not counting Steven, there seem to be only two active mods (hiccup and myself.) I can't speak for Steven or hiccup, but I'm not sitting at my computer all day waiting to see if something needs approval. So it's entirely possible approvals could take a day or two.
So either that dark theme or all-bright theme?For now, yes.
Is it possible to turn off the avatar image as a view setting?
I will introduce a much more compact theme.
For now you can turn off the avatar from your forum setting. But it won't reduce the post height. I will look into it, it seems like a bug.
for the people who are saying there is too much wasted white space, can you post a screenshot as i am certainly not seeing ithttp://www.bluesbeatradio.com/mbee/beeforum.jpg
There are only two other moderators left from the original six set up by Steven.
Looking at the top ten posters from the stats page, maybe redwing and psychoadept might be interested in becoming moderators, to bring the moderator numbers back up to the original level.
I feel that there is a lot of focus and reserved estate for 'statistics' on the main page.After using the new forum layout for a few days, and even posting that the topic/post count on the main page should remain but made smaller, I have reconsidered. I now feel that not only do those stats waste space, but they detract from the overall look.
(http://i.imgur.com/oaMJvnwl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/oaMJvnw.png)
Anybody interested in such statistics can look that up in the statistics page.
Less is more!
Thanks. I haved added youThere are only two other moderators left from the original six set up by Steven.
Looking at the top ten posters from the stats page, maybe redwing and psychoadept might be interested in becoming moderators, to bring the moderator numbers back up to the original level.
I'm willing
After using the new forum layout for a few days, and even posting that the topic/post count on the main page should remain but made smaller, I have reconsidered. I now feel that not only do those stats waste space, but they detract from the overall look.I would like to at least have the stats on the bottom line not removed from the main page (total posts, total members, newest member etc) as thats useful to me
@AvikB - if you're going to do one final tweak/update, please consider the removal of the stats. As hiccup stated, anyone who wants them can find them on the stats link near the bottom of the main page.
Thanks for considering.
I would like to at least have the stats on the bottom line not removed from the main page (total posts, total members, newest member etc) as thats useful to me
i was out of home during several weeks and now looking at new site. first impression is very good, but i think new design is very... hmm, not compact. cant phrase this correctly and in details.Some people feel there is too much whitespace. i think it depends on the the width of your screen - on a wide screen it looks proportionate to me
Some people feel there is too much whitespace. i think it depends on the the width of your screen - on a wide screen it looks proportionate to meyes, very much whitespace, especially vertically. of course i mean only forum, not the whole website. i have fullhd monitor now, so thats hardly the problem.
When adding a skin, you can (and must) only select 'MusicBee 3' under 'Minimum Supported MusicBee Version'.+1
No option to leave it open, or select v2.x.
When you want to enter the subject for a PM and click that field to do so, the text "(No subject)" stays in place, so you will have to remove it manually.+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
It would be nice if that field was cleared as soon as you click it.
The 'page selector' is located both at the top and the bottom of the page when you are navigating in a thread with many posts. (which is good)Or at least an 'up arrow' button that would take the user to the top of the page.
But when you are on the topics page, it is only located at the top.
Could we also have it at the bottom there?
Sorry if this is a duplicate comment, but...+1
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6397385/Save%20Pics/00%20MB%20Colors.jpg)
that brown highlight is butt ugly.
The icons indicate sticky or locked. Do you really need the color overlay? It's most unsightly.
I wish that the dark theme was entirely dark like that, instead of the washed out, faded, not-so-black like it is now.
I'd really like a white-on-black theme period.
Sorry if this is a duplicate comment, but...+1
that brown highlight is butt ugly.
The icons indicate sticky or locked. Do you really need the color overlay? It's most unsightly.
Why no responses from the OP? At least you can tell us when you will be available.
If you can't find time at all, then say so. We can look for a volunteer to fix this site.
What's the intended meaning of the man sitting on the rocks? I don't know about others, but I don't really get the meaning of it.
We've been through this a ga-zillion times during the original discussion of what picture to use on the home page. Go back and read through the 75 pages and see how every suggestion for an image was met with a number of rejections for that image. (For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.)What's the intended meaning of the man sitting on the rocks? I don't know about others, but I don't really get the meaning of it.
On this, I do agree with redwing.
A person sitting on the rocks in the wilderness would probably be good if your site was about camping goods, but it certainly doesn't even whisper music to me.
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I just used google to search "music" images, filtered by "reuse with modification", and the very first image is a great his-res B&W image of some headphones. https://static.pexels.com/photos/30222/pexels-photo-30222.jpg (https://static.pexels.com/photos/30222/pexels-photo-30222.jpg)
Someone answer me, I know how to send private messages on this layout, but so far I haven't found the Inbox of these messages, does anyone know where it is?The 'bell' icon to the right of the person icon (or avatar) at the top of the page
We've been through this a ga-zillion times during the original discussion of what picture to use on the home page. Go back and read through the 75 pages and see how every suggestion for an image was met with a number of rejections for that image. (For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
This was (is) a project that attempted to be designed by consensus. Which never happened. I dropped out of that discussion because it was becoming circular. As were various discussions of the "correct" word to us. At some point, which no consensus taking hold, someone had to pull the trigger and make the decision.
We've been through this a ga-zillion times during the original discussion of what picture to use on the home page. Go back and read through the 75 pages and see how every suggestion for an image was met with a number of rejections for that image. (For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
Not to rain on your parade, but what's with the new background on the home page? What does it have to do with music? I really hate to start this discussion again, but I thought the background image had (finally) been decided.
I have decided to get rid off the old image and moving to much cleaner wireframe design. ofc the current wireframe background is nothing but placeholder, i will update it to have more matching with music stuff.
Someone answer me, I know how to send private messages on this layout, but so far I haven't found the Inbox of these messages, does anyone know where it is?The 'bell' icon to the right of the person icon (or avatar) at the top of the page
Thanks. I thought that this icon was to alert when my name was mentioned in some topic, wrong assumption.Someone answer me, I know how to send private messages on this layout, but so far I haven't found the Inbox of these messages, does anyone know where it is?The 'bell' icon to the right of the person icon (or avatar) at the top of the page
What i suggest is when AvikB is engaged to look at further enhancements, people have ready any images that might be good replacements. It might be a good idea to set up a separate topic if you have a good candidate image and want to reach a consensus.
One bug/feature missing I noticed -- on the forums' topic lists, there isn't no page jump navigation widget at the bottom on the page. There is one at the bottom of the comments inside a topic though.That's already been reported in the 'new website & forum bugs" topic: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.0
It makes it a lot more work to scroll back to the top to go to the next page each time.
One bug/feature missing I noticed -- on the forums' topic lists, there isn't no page jump navigation widget at the bottom on the page. There is one at the bottom of the comments inside a topic though.That's already been reported in the 'new website & forum bugs" topic: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.0
It makes it a lot more work to scroll back to the top to go to the next page each time.
Navigating through pages on each board (e.g. General, Skins) is not easy. Looks like the only way to go to the previous/next page is clicking on a page number on the top of the page. I'd suggest put another page number buttons on the bottom as well. Also add Back(<), Next(>), 10 page back (<<), 10 page after (>>) buttons on both top and bottom of each page. If we can type a "go to page number" as well, that'd be great.
Edit: Just noticed clicking on page numbers expands the list. With the longest General board, to fully expand the page number list requires 6 clicks - not that bad. But still want to see all the usual buttons except typing page number request.
Navigating through pages on each board (e.g. General, Skins) is not easy. Looks like the only way to go to the previous/next page is clicking on a page number on the top of the page. I'd suggest put another page number buttons on the bottom as well.Ok, i will add it. To be honest i actually removed it since i thought one at the top would be enough.
Also add Back(<), Next(>), 10 page back (<<), 10 page after (>>) buttons on both top and bottom of each page. If we can type a "go to page number" as well, that'd be great. Edit: Just noticed clicking on page numbers expands the list. With the longest General board, to fully expand the page number list requires 6 clicks - not that bad. But still want to see all the usual buttons except typing page number request.This is not possible with just theming. It will require a mod or editing more of the SMF's core files. which is not really a focus.
And to possibly prevent some confusion when discussing this, there is a difference between looking at a post by choosing 'recent topics', or from within it's own thread. In the first case there is not so much 'white' but the attention is first and mainly drawn to: - the very large and bold post # - the bold header - the buttons at the top right And finally to the message itself (which should be the most prominent in my opinion) In the second case, the main attention goes to the message itself (black), and secondly to the header (grey). I like that a whole lot better. But that one has quite a lot of 'white' surrounding the text. (http://i.imgur.com/OT7ySfCl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/OT7ySfC.png)
Dashboard shows the download count of add-ons only for top ten. Would be great if "View all add-ons" shows download count for all add-ons.Is it absolutely required? The top ten add-ons are not generated by ONLY the download count but likes count as well. also downloads are count per IP per account(which are then recorded).
right now only one add-on is required to get approved before you can submit freely. I highly doubt we need another mod.Lastly, not counting Steven, there seem to be only two active mods (hiccup and myself.) I can't speak for Steven or hiccup, but I'm not sitting at my computer all day waiting to see if something needs approval. So it's entirely possible approvals could take a day or two.There are only two other moderators left from the original six set up by Steven. Looking at the top ten posters from the stats page, maybe redwing and psychoadept might be interested in becoming moderators, to bring the moderator numbers back up to the original level.
I want to back that up - anything that requires modding SMF core files is a risk for things to go wrong when they do security patches or when the time comes to upgrade the SMF versionAlso add Back(<), Next(>), 10 page back (<<), 10 page after (>>) buttons on both top and bottom of each page. If we can type a "go to page number" as well, that'd be great. Edit: Just noticed clicking on page numbers expands the list. With the longest General board, to fully expand the page number list requires 6 clicks - not that bad. But still want to see all the usual buttons except typing page number request.This is not possible with just theming. It will require a mod or editing more of the SMF's core files. which is not really a focus.
please do as thats the one thing that is annoying when browsing through posts.Navigating through pages on each board (e.g. General, Skins) is not easy. Looks like the only way to go to the previous/next page is clicking on a page number on the top of the page. I'd suggest put another page number buttons on the bottom as well.Ok, i will add it. To be honest i actually removed it since i thought one at the top would be enough.
I meant "view all add-ons" section in the user's dashboard. If you have uploaded more than ten add-ons, no way to know download count of the others except top ten.That was the idea. I didn't thought it would interest anyone. Specially i don't want anyone to get depressed by their download count. For example some add-on gets higher download count and some don't which might cause negative effect(i am not sure anyway, just my guess) :S
Turning off the avatar still has no effect on the post height. I think it might be a good idea to introduce a (separate) compact theme as you said before.So either that dark theme or all-bright theme? Is it possible to turn off the avatar image as a view setting?For now, yes. I will introduce a much more compact theme. For now you can turn off the avatar from your forum setting. But it won't reduce the post height. I will look into it, it seems like a bug.
Can't speak for others, but to me it's very useful info for thinking about how to improve it, etc. If no technical issues here, I would see all counts.ok, this will be introduced in couple of updates later(will make sure everything works fine).
And a replacement font for the header here please: (http://i.imgur.com/sid963al.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sid963a.png)I guess i will switch those to verdana in edgy mode. ;) will be fixed in next update.
The text "Site build with ..." is very dark unless you hover over. I am guessing that is not intentional there? (http://i.imgur.com/34elIuFl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/34elIuF.png)
You are right. The recently updates add-on list will contain any add-on that got a any minor update, no version change is checked.
I'm not sure how it works but does this site check the version of each add-on and places the ones with the most recent version change at the front of "Recently Updated" add-on list? Currently it seems add-ons with whatever kind of updates just get listed regardless of version change (but I'm not sure as I didn't test version change).
I'd say that's an important feature that could allow people to keep their add-ons up to date without having to check each add-on board regularly.
That is planned for v2.0. I am still deciding on how the layout should look.
Also, consider adding the "Recently Updated" list under every category as currently it's only under "all" category.
This has been discussed a lot in the past, and I am not sure what the last consensus on this was, so I'm just gonna phrase this as if this hasn't been discussed before at all. At the bottom on the main forum page, under 'Get the latest MusicBee', the related button directs to a download page that only contains the installer versions. Shouldn't there also be a permanent link to the latest patch? Especially since in the forum the advice often given is: 'download and install the latest patch'.
@AvikB, I think I know the answer, but you never know... When I disable having avatars displayed, that will work fine as long as I am logged in. But as soon as I log out, those avatars show up again. Would it be possible to have avatars not showing (by means of browser cache or something) when browsing the forum, even when not logged-in?
Not gonna fix it because can't say what i am looking to fix here :P, If you have any suggestion i am all ear.
Just use the dark theme and be happy. (i never use the white theme)
If i can make a suggestion: On the Forum Home page could those topics that have posts for the current day show "Today" in a different color eg "Today" That way it is immediately obvious which forums have a new post.you mean on this page? http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php
isn't that defeats the purpose of login. Logged in user gets more feature to customize. It is how forums work in general.
I think it is possible in theory to remember the choice using cookies but why not just stay logged in?
I will make some changes to reduce the # color and font but won't change the header color to the light ones. It looked too washed away.Not gonna fix it because can't say what i am looking to fix here :P, If you have any suggestion i am all ear. Just use the dark theme and be happy. (i never use the white theme)The only thing I could come up here, is that the same color scheme for the fonts used when browsing inside a topic could be used when browsing by most recent posts. (and decrease the impact of that elephant message # font a bit) Yes, it's rather futile, but just a little bit more pleasant on the eyes and gives slightly more focus on the message itself. And indeed I predominantly use the fantastic dark theme, but sometimes when the sun shines bright I turn to the light theme...
I understand, no problem. It feels odd to stay logged in at sites when I am not doing any activity there. Also I see nobody else staying logged in permanently, so I'm not alone in that.If you checked "Stay Logged in" when signing in it does not mean that it will show you always online but rather it stores some data on your pc(mostly cookies) to identify you when you open the website again and log in you automatically. there is no harm, no one can see you online and no reason to do it.
Well this can be done. But the patch release is also in the download page too. so there is no need for any separate patch button. Right now no patch is not showing in the download page but it is there, it will show up once steven submits a new patch in the dashboard.
If you checked "Stay Logged in" when signing in it does not mean that it will show you always online but rather it stores some data on your pc(mostly cookies) to identify you when you open the website again and log in you automatically. there is no harm, no one can see you online and no reason to do it.
Hot damn, the new website and forum are looking great. Tested them on several normal and mobile screen resolutions and it all looks very good. Congrats on a job very well done!ah, thanks for confirming about it working on different resolutions.
it seems Steven might forget to submit the patch :S,Well this can be done. But the patch release is also in the download page too. so there is no need for any separate patch button. Right now no patch is not showing in the download page but it is there, it will show up once steven submits a new patch in the dashboard.Are we talking about the same download page? We now have 3.0.6086, and the download page still shows 3.0.6067 under 'Get the latest MusicBee'.
When adding a skin, you can (and must) only select 'MusicBee 3' under 'Minimum Supported MusicBee Version'. No option to leave it open, or select v2.x.Unfortunately there are no v2.x support. Sorry for no backward comparability.
Might get fixed in next update.When you want to enter the subject for a PM and click that field to do so, the text "(No subject)" stays in place, so you will have to remove it manually. It would be nice if that field was cleared as soon as you click it.+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Unfortunately there are no v2.x support. Sorry for no backward comparability.
At the risk of revealing that I am not a smart as I don't think I am not: I struggled a few times finding how to adjust my forum preferences. I just found out why that is... When hoovering over the round 'little guy' icon, immediately the dropdown menu opens. I am expecting to be able to click the 'Hey, username' entry there to enter the settings page. But that does nothing. I just now found out that you need to click the icon itself, and not the menu that opens. Feels a bit odd. Would it be possible to make the username clickable for this purpose? (http://i.imgur.com/dB9Ptjd.png)It was my fault for that bad design choice :P, i actually intended to make that "Hey, username" clickable but i forgot ::) will be fixed in next update.
I think it is time for them to upgrade to new version.Unfortunately there are no v2.x support. Sorry for no backward comparability.That's a bit strange then. There are skins that have been, and will be uploaded that will function fine under 2.0. (some even on purpose) It will now give the wrong impression that they are only suited for v3.
it seems Steven might forget to submit the patch :S,Are we talking about the same download page? We now have 3.0.6086, and the download page still shows 3.0.6067 under 'Get the latest MusicBee'.
Right now no patch is not showing in the download page but it is there, it will show up once steven submits a new patch in the dashboard.
I think the wording on that button is wrong then, and also what it does. It just says 'Get MusicBee 3', and then refreshes the same download page and brings you to the top. Shouldn't it say something like 'download the latest patch'? And preferably explain about extracting, copying over existing files etc. That seems to be one of the biggest issues for many users trying to stay current with updates and 'installing' them.
i dont want to do anything around this due to risks of messing things up and users can still visit the forum to get skinsI think it is time for them to upgrade to new version.Unfortunately there are no v2.x support. Sorry for no backward comparability.That's a bit strange then. There are skins that have been, and will be uploaded that will function fine under 2.0. (some even on purpose) It will now give the wrong impression that they are only suited for v3.
there is one way to add v2.x in the dashboard, but Steven would have to do a bit more extra work which i don't think is even needed. From v3.x dashboard will maintain full backword compatibility. Unfortunately no backward support v2.x. unless ofc Steven would like to add it. in that case i can send him the instructions.
FWIW, I never log off from the MB forum. After 15 minutes(?) of inactivity my name drops off the 'users online' list at the bottom of the main forum page, but I'm still logged in. As long as you're on your own computer, there really doesn't seem to be any reason to log off. This is the only site where I do that.If you checked "Stay Logged in" when signing in it does not mean that it will show you always online but rather it stores some data on your pc(mostly cookies) to identify you when you open the website again and log in you automatically. there is no harm, no one can see you online and no reason to do it.
I never knew that!
Thnx, gonna try it.
i dont want to do anything around this due to risks of messing things up and users can still visit the forum to get skins
And to possibly prevent some confusion when discussing this, there is a ...but the attention is first and mainly drawn to: - the very large and bold post # - the bold header - the buttons at the top right And finally to the message itself (which should be the most prominent in my opinion)...
Just use the dark theme and be happy. (i never use the white theme)
When hoovering over a skin thumbnail on the 'skins' page, the thumbnail darkens, and a heart and a number (likes) for that skin shows. Personally I am not interested in likes there very much. I would find it much more useful if at hoover-over you would see an enlarged and more detailed view of that skin.detailed screenshot on mouse hover always represents the issue of bandwidth. For people with low bandwidth will suffer. Even now loading a screenshot by clicking on them takes some time on 60KB/s.
When hoovering over a skin thumbnail on the 'skins' page, the thumbnail darkens, and a heart and a number (likes) for that skin shows. Personally I am not interested in likes there very much. I would find it much more useful if at hoover-over you would see an enlarged and more detailed view of that skin.detailed screenshot on mouse hover always represents the issue of bandwidth. For people with low bandwidth will suffer. Even now loading a screenshot by clicking on them takes some time on 60KB/s.
The rating system is there for people to express their thanks(instead of go to forum and say thanks which is really not efficient) quickly. Also it helps people choose popular and most loved add-ons.
That's good to consider, but when you look at the current situation realistically, almost anybody landing there will want to see better detailed images of the skins they consider to download. For that, currently you will have to first click the thumbnail, which opens another webpage, and then click the thumbnail again to get a detailed view. I am guessing that will take at least as much bandwidth, and is certainly more cumbersome. (and as a side-note on this, could you make the thumbnail on the right side of that page also clickable to get an enlarged image?) Would it perhaps be an option to make it so that when you click on the thumbnail, you get an actual size screenshot, and when you click on the name of the skin and/or creator, that gets you to it's homepage?i guess you have a point. I am putting this on my todo list. But since this will be a semi major change on the layout it will arrive with the next major update. Don't expect too soon.
It should be more compact with the update i just pushed, but i am never going to make the forum THAT compact, it feels too congested.for the people who are saying there is too much wasted white space, can you post a screenshot as i am certainly not seeing itNew
And a replacement font for the header here please:Fixed.
(http://i.imgur.com/sid963al.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sid963a.png)
for the people who are saying there is too much wasted white space, can you post a screenshot as i am certainly not seeing ithttp://www.bluesbeatradio.com/mbee/beeforum.jpg
At the risk of revealing that I am not a smart as I don't think I am not: I struggled a few times finding how to adjust my forum preferences. I just found out why that is... When hoovering over the round 'little guy' icon, immediately the dropdown menu opens. I am expecting to be able to click the 'Hey, username' entry there to enter the settings page. But that does nothing. I just now found out that you need to click the icon itself, and not the menu that opens. Feels a bit odd. Would it be possible to make the username clickable for this purpose?Fixed.
(http://i.imgur.com/dB9Ptjdl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/dB9Ptjd.png)
Why no responses from the OP? At least you can tell us when you will be available. If you can't find time at all, then say so. We can look for a volunteer to fix this site. Regarding home menu, (http://i.imgur.com/opMpXxW.png)Register button in the navbar Will be implemented in next update.
1. "Register" menu would better be located just next to "Login". It's not easy to find when you look for it. 2. Instead of Register, having "Wiki" & "Latest Patch" (that will jump to the Steven's first forum topic) menu in there would be more useful. 3. There's no current time being displayed. Like the previous site, consider displaying current time somewhere on homepage.
an update is sent to Steven[update is live]. most of the issues are fixed. ofc if i missed some feature let me know.
Current time? why do you/anyone even need that? your pc shows it in the taskbar.
But you can set time offset in your profile setting, which will convert the forum's time in relative to your local time. That way you won't have to look for world time.Current time? why do you/anyone even need that? your pc shows it in the taskbar.Why would I ask you to display my local time? Don't you get what I meant was current forum time? Why? To make sense of the forum time instantly without having to check world time.
an update is sent to Steven[update is live]. most of the issues are fixed. ofc if i missed some feature let me know.Great, great, great. I was only wondering about the cut-off topic descriptions here. Perhaps the now gained space allows to show a bit more of those titles?
(http://i.imgur.com/bXVckei.png)
As for the home page image a lots of debate has been going for quite some time. The only reason i went with the current image is because it blends well with the color scheme. The previous ones had lot more contrast or the image quality was not very good or a lots of dark spot.
I think we might do a poll to choose a new image for the home page, that way every one gets to vote for their favorite ones and can not complain later.
Good idea. How do we go about this? Will you set up a separate topic for that?
This bug still persists: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.msg115999#msg115999Can't reproduce it. maybe i am looking in the wrong place.
Good idea. How do we go about this? Will you set up a separate topic for that?
yeah i suppose. I am going to find the list of the images proposed here to create a poll.
This bug still persists: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.msg115999#msg115999Can't reproduce it. maybe i am looking in the wrong place.
Can you give me the url of the page where this is happening? also what browser? are you logged in the forum at that moment?
it seems the issue appears ONLY if the user is not logged in. will post a patch tonight to fix it.Yes, from inside any topic like: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.0This bug still persists: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.msg115999#msg115999Can't reproduce it. maybe i am looking in the wrong place. Can you give me the url of the page where this is happening? also what browser? are you logged in the forum at that moment?
No, I'm logged in now. It happens regardless.By any chance do you have quick reply disabled? it is placed at the bottom of the page, like this:
Just a suggestion for the add-ons section:
Might it not be better for skins, plugins, etc to be sorted alphabetically by name as the default, rather than by posting date?
By any chance do you have quick reply disabled? it is placed at the bottom of the page, like this:
Ah, i see. I will post a fix soon.By any chance do you have quick reply disabled? it is placed at the bottom of the page, like this:Disabled.
While you're updating things AvikB, please consider this:I will add some sorting option in the next major update such as sort by(A-Z), date modified, likes, downloads etc. But by default it will use the posting date for sorting.Just a suggestion for the add-ons section: Might it not be better for skins, plugins, etc to be sorted alphabetically by name as the default, rather than by posting date?
This bug still persists: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.msg115999#msg115999Can't reproduce it. maybe i am looking in the wrong place.
Can you give me the url of the page where this is happening? also what browser? are you logged in the forum at that moment?
Yes, from inside any topic like:
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.0
Ah, i see. I will post a fix soon.By any chance do you have quick reply disabled? it is placed at the bottom of the page, like this:Disabled.
It also occurs with the help menuYes, from inside any topic like: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.0This bug still persists: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19360.msg115999#msg115999Can't reproduce it. maybe i am looking in the wrong place. Can you give me the url of the page where this is happening? also what browser? are you logged in the forum at that moment?
But by default it will use the posting date for sorting.OK. Sort of like a 'What's New' feature 8)
This way the skin page will look fresh rather than having the same item showing on the first page every time.
yup. I was planning to introduce it in the initial version, but was delayed.But by default it will use the posting date for sorting. This way the skin page will look fresh rather than having the same item showing on the first page every time.OK. Sort of like a 'What's New' feature 8)
In my opinion posts with quotes are a bit difficult to quickly take-in. That might perhaps be improved with some change in coloring. Currently it's this: Removing the 'green' from older quotes, and making the text message of the last quote brighter would make that a bit easier and less 'busy': (I'm pretty sure this is impossible to do, but I couldn't help myself bringing it up anyway ;-)Did you mean, like the second image you shown? if so it is possible.
In my opinion posts with quotes are a bit difficult to quickly take-in. That might perhaps be improved with some change in coloring. Currently it's this: Removing the 'green' from older quotes, and making the text message of the last quote brighter would make that a bit easier and less 'busy': (I'm pretty sure this is impossible to do, but I couldn't help myself bringing it up anyway ;-)Did you mean, like the second image you shown? if so it is possible.
nah it is really easy to do.Yes, the second image is my mock-up. But of course only put time and effort in it if you agree it would be an improvement, and there won't be a risk in 'breaking' anything.In my opinion posts with quotes are a bit difficult to quickly take-in. That might perhaps be improved with some change in coloring. Currently it's this: Removing the 'green' from older quotes, and making the text message of the last quote brighter would make that a bit easier and less 'busy': (I'm pretty sure this is impossible to do, but I couldn't help myself bringing it up anyway ;-)Did you mean, like the second image you shown? if so it is possible.
FWIW, I never log off from the MB forum. After 15 minutes(?) of inactivity my name drops off the 'users online' list at the bottom of the main forum page, but I'm still logged in. As long as you're on your own computer, there really doesn't seem to be any reason to log off. This is the only site where I do that.
active means you have the browser page to getmusicbee.com/forum opened.FWIW, I never log off from the MB forum. After 15 minutes(?) of inactivity my name drops off the 'users online' list at the bottom of the main forum page, but I'm still logged in. As long as you're on your own computer, there really doesn't seem to be any reason to log off. This is the only site where I do that.@AvikB, Out of curiosity, what does this 15 minute timer consider as being active? Is it an 'active' action such as posting, or doing moderation etc., or is just having the forum open, refreshing a page or browsing it already considered as 'active'?
active means you have the browser page to getmusicbee.com/forum opened.
When you have musicbee forum opened your browser actually send some data to musicbee server to let the server know that you are online(or active). nothing else. If you close the musicbee forum website in your browser the server doesn't get the data and register you as offline(inactive).
@AvikB, is there any technical reason someone needs to be logged in to like an ADD-ON? Personally i would prefer anyone could do a like without needing to set up an account. Do any of the skin developers have any comment on that?
The login simply works like a verification. Right now one user can like an add-on only one time, the data is stored by their user id, that way they can unlike it. If no vrification is placed and anyone can like it, one can simply create a script to do it automatically. And the only way to verify would be storing IP, which is the least accurate info as it can be changed easily.what about storing like/unlike data in browser cache? yes, its not ideal/very reliable solution, but i think if somebody very wants to falsificate add-on rating, it will be possible anyway.
what about storing like/unlike data in browser cache? yes, its not ideal/very reliable solution,if we store the like data in their browser cache only he will be able to see it. no one else.
but i think if somebody very wants to falsificate add-on rating, it will be possible anyway.It is not possible without creating a new forum account. Which is way harder.
I just pushed an update, it should be fixed.You're right. With quick reply on, it's working properly.Ah, i see. I will post a fix soon.By any chance do you have quick reply disabled? it is placed at the bottom of the page, like this:Disabled.
what about storing like/unlike data in browser cache? yes, its not ideal/very reliable solution,if we store the like data in their browser cache only he will be able to see it. no one else.
if we store the like data in their browser cache only he will be able to see it. no one else.sorry, i meant not "browser cache", but of course "browser cookie". [/quote]
One can like an add-on, then clear browser cookie and bam can like again. ofc i can use their IP to make sure same IP user won't be able to like more than one time. But IP can be changed rather easily.
The only safer solution is to have some sort of authentication. Specially verify the user by their email address.
I just pushed an update, it should be fixed.You're right. With quick reply on, it's working properly.Ah, i see. I will post a fix soon.By any chance do you have quick reply disabled? it is placed at the bottom of the page, like this:Disabled.
AvikB, i have a problem. for tag tools plugin (and only for it) the limit of 5000 chars for readme is insufficient. considering possible plugin evolution in future i would want at least 15000 limit (or no limit at all). is this possible?yeah it is possible. I will probably provide a patch for this in the next major update. Until then you can create a wiki post containing the extra info.
Perhaps I am speaking to soon and there is work in progress right now, but:i've updated the header.
In the 'General' category there now resides a board also called 'General'.
That's slightly confusing, and the proposal therefor had 'General Discussions' for the latter.
The 'Questions' board is now almost empty, and what should be there is currently placed in the 'General' board.
I dont get your second point. There are 307 pages in the current General Discussions and no one is going to go through and split out all the topics. In any case i am not yet fully convinced having the "Questions" board is going to work well so i wouldnt want anyone to make any effort moving topics around
@AvikB, see this topic re: add-on pages http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19558.0So basically you guys need a way to transfer ownership of add-ons that is submitted via dashboard? right?
yes thats right. Its probably best to restrict that functionality to mods@AvikB, see this topic re: add-on pages http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=19558.0So basically you guys need a way to transfer ownership of add-ons that is submitted via dashboard? right?
The new forum setup looks great.Hiccup and Phred deserve the thanks for that (apologies if anyone else was involved that I didnt know about).
AvikB, i want to localize this site to russian. is this: https://github.com/Avik-B/musicbee-website/blob/Dev/includes/languages/en-us.php php file still up to date?Yes it is fully up-to date.
if the site is localised, is it possible to provide users with a link such that the site is localised eg. http://getmusicbee.com/ru or is the only way for the user need to land on the english version and then change the language in the button on the bottom right of the web site?yes the only way is to change it from the bottom. But alternatively you can change the language by go to the following url:
http://getmusicbee.com/?lang=en-us
Seems like a practical solution.
+1
When trying to sign out, get this error sometimes.
(http://i.imgur.com/9GnMiqK.png)
Looks like it happens when you have multiple tabs of the forum open and trying to sign out from the tab that you did not use when signing in.
will be fixed (probably) in next update.
This still occurs even when a single tab is open. Clicking on "sign out" menu again is required to sign out.
AvikB, what does mean string "home_30" ("Submit")? i need to see context of this string to correctly translate it and can't find this text on home page.You are right it is not in the home page. It seems i mistakenly put it there :S , It was supposed to be the submit button for the dashboard. here is the button used:
also i've found a typo in string "home_32": change "Xbox Music.)" to "Xbox Music)."Ah thanks. it is fixed. will push the update later with other minor updates.
Thanks. On further thought, I think just breaking out portable devices into its own forum would be the best approach. That way mods (and visitors) don't have to think very hard about where portable device threads go, and a lot of the bugs reported aren't really MusicBee bugs anyway.
Thanks. On further thought, I think just breaking out portable devices into its own forum would be the best approach. That way mods (and visitors) don't have to think very hard about where portable device threads go, and a lot of the bugs reported aren't really MusicBee bugs anyway.
I see an additional board for portable devices was added.
In my opinion it would be more logical and consistent to have child boards for that under 'Questions' and 'Bug Reports'.
It would also help to keep the main page more (vertically) compact and as less cluttered as possible.
AvikB, what does mean string "addon_15" ("by", line 500)? "by" can be translated in several ways, i need to know the context.
Thanks. On further thought, I think just breaking out portable devices into its own forum would be the best approach. That way mods (and visitors) don't have to think very hard about where portable device threads go, and a lot of the bugs reported aren't really MusicBee bugs anyway.
I see an additional board for portable devices was added.
In my opinion it would be more logical and consistent to have child boards for that under 'Questions' and 'Bug Reports'.
It would also help to keep the main page more (vertically) compact and as less cluttered as possible.
Having two boards means people looking for a section about portable devices are as likely to choose one as the other, and when moving threads we have to figure out which one they go in. I really think it's easier to just have one. It would probably be fine to have it as a sub forum of general discussion or questions. Bug reports is a little too specific. Like I said, the bugs reported are often not really musicbee bugs anyway. (Added: although given that it's almost at the bottom of the list, I don't think it's getting in the way of anything.)
Having two boards means people looking for a section about portable devices are as likely to choose one as the other, and when moving threads we have to figure out which one they go in. I really think it's easier to just have one. It would probably be fine to have it as a sub forum of general discussion or questions. Bug reports is a little too specific. Like I said, the bugs reported are often not really musicbee bugs anyway. (Added: although given that it's almost at the bottom of the list, I don't think it's getting in the way of anything.)
There is something to be said for both.
Yet I have some unsubstantiated gut feeling that this was mostly done out of some irritation about many iPod/iPhone users asking questions and having issues.
I don't think the answer to that is to 'break' the clean and good structure that was in place, now resulting in having more than one place for 'Bugs', 'Questions' 'Tips and Tricks'.
It's not out of irritation, but out of the fact that portable device questions and issues are very specific and distinct from other things that come up, and usually run along the same lines. They are pretty much limited to how to get musicbee to talk to a particular device, how to transfer specific amounts of data, file formats and conversion (including playlists), two-way syncing, and errors which might or might not be MusicBee's fault. Giving them their own section means that they will not get lost among other questions and reports, which is better for people seeking help with them as well as easier for us to maintain.
I didn't find the existing structure for them clean or sufficient, because there was the bug reports subforum which was clearly labeled for portable devices but clearly not meant for general questions and help, and many uncategorized threads in the general or questions forum. Someone looking for an answer to a question similar to theirs would have to rely on the very limited forum search engine or maybe Google.
Anyway, if that doesn't persuade you I doubt I will be able to. :)
And as a sidenote and follow-up on this line of thought, it would be very useful if a member with experience with iPods etc. could create a 'sticky topic' under Tips&Tricks> Portable Devices called something like "syncing with Apple devices".There are two threads (that I'm familiar with and there may be others) about syncing to iDevices. One by me and one by redwing. "How to sync with iTunes" and "How to sync without iTunes." I could make both of those sticky if you think it will help.
A shortcut to that topic would probably be a hit, and save a lot of typing in answering questions on this matter. ;-)
There are two threads (that I'm familiar with and there may be others) about syncing to iDevices. One by me and one by redwing. "How to sync with iTunes" and "How to sync without iTunes." I could make both of those sticky if you think it will help.
AvikB, what does mean string "addon_15" ("by", line 500)? "by" can be translated in several ways, i need to know the context.
I'm no AvikB, but I am sure it is in the context of "plugin 'Fantastic' by Boroda".
Similar to "Pictures at an Exhibition' by Modest Mussorgsky".
yes, i supposed the same, but the problem is that "by" usually shouldn't be translated to russian at all, couple of other words in a sentence should be changed, but "by" just skipped. sometimes its not acceptable (if sentence is not static). in this case i use russian "from author" or "from developer", etc, but i must use some exact word after "from".
AvikB, what does mean string "addon_15" ("by", line 500)? "by" can be translated in several ways, i need to know the context."addon_15" is used here for add-ons author.
the same for string "search" ("Search ", line 531).
yes you can leave any word untranslated. Just make sure you remove that line all together. Eg:yes, i supposed the same, but the problem is that "by" usually shouldn't be translated to russian at all, couple of other words in a sentence should be changed, but "by" just skipped. sometimes its not acceptable (if sentence is not static). in this case i use russian "from author" or "from developer", etc, but i must use some exact word after "from".I'm pretty sure I don't exactly understand this, but would it perhaps be an option to not translate 'by' at all, and just have a space or a dash there?
$lang['addon_9'] = 'Author';
$lang['addon_10'] = 'Name';
$lang['addon_11'] = 'Category';
$lang['addon_15'] = 'by';
$lang['addon_16'] = 'Updated on';
$lang['addon_17'] = 'Published on';
$lang['addon_36'] = 'Supports Minimum';
$lang['addon_15'] = 'by';
$lang['addon_9'] = 'Author';
$lang['addon_10'] = 'Name';
$lang['addon_11'] = 'Category';
/** $lang['addon_15'] was not translated so removed **/
$lang['addon_16'] = 'Updated on';
$lang['addon_17'] = 'Published on';
$lang['addon_36'] = 'Supports Minimum';
AvikB, i think you've forgotten to mention VB .NET in string "api_desc" (line 680).thanks. will be updated in the next minor release.
does anyone know a way to hint to the google search engine that there are localised versions for a page and what the supported localisation languages are ie. so when people google from a particular country, the localised version is shown in the search results edit: found this: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/182192?hl=en @AvikB, when you have time i suggest you have a look as it does provide some recommendationsthanks Steven.
http://www.getmusicbee.com/rus/
http://www.getmusicbee.com/rus/
http://www.getmusicbee.com/rus/downloads
other page will follow the normal url structure, like:
http://www.getmusicbee.com/addons/
http://www.getmusicbee.com/forum/
and so on
its definitely not sufficient. first of all i anyway need to know which sentence uses this "by" to change this "couple of words" in it. on the second there may be some sophisticated cases for dynamic sentences (if some part of sentence is generated by soft, even if this part is only some date or number).
AvikB, i'm not sure if its a bug or not, but test version of new forum was supporting cyrillics fine. but this forum just converts all cyrillic letters to question marks on saving post like previous version of the forum. though preview shows cyrillic letters. if i click "modify" button, then in post editor i see '?' instead of russian letters.I think this is because when this forum was installed(a long time ago before i begin this project) utf-8 was not enabled by default. I am looking into this.
Yeah i am thinking of same. Creating separate entries for different situation might make it more easy to translate.its definitely not sufficient. first of all i anyway need to know which sentence uses this "by" to change this "couple of words" in it. on the second there may be some sophisticated cases for dynamic sentences (if some part of sentence is generated by soft, even if this part is only some date or number).If I understand it a little bit better now, a solution could perhaps be that AvikB creates several entries for 'author' to be used at different positions? For example one 'author' that is only used in a situation to indicate the name of the author without usage in a sentence, and another 'author' that is used in the sentence 'plugin by author...' Just suppose these two would be named 'author-name' and 'author-created', then for English (and Dutch ;-) they would be identical, but for Russian you would be able to differentiate them? And perhaps you even need more than two different 'authors' for other uses?
i noticed when doing the website upgrade that the SMF tables have "latin1_swedish_ci" encoding. I honestly have no idea how that happened. There is a way to change the encoding to UTF8 using SQL but i was reluctant to do that in case something got messed upAvikB, i'm not sure if its a bug or not, but test version of new forum was supporting cyrillics fine. but this forum just converts all cyrillic letters to question marks on saving post like previous version of the forum. though preview shows cyrillic letters. if i click "modify" button, then in post editor i see '?' instead of russian letters.I think this is because when this forum was installed(a long time ago before i begin this project) utf-8 was not enabled by default. I am looking into this.
Do we have any thread that uses any other language than english? if no then it should be ok to convert the database to UTF-8.i noticed when going the website uograde that the SMF tables have "latin1_swedish_ci" encoding. I honestly have no idea how that happened. There is a way to change the encoding to UTF8 using SQL but i was reluctant to do that in case something got messed upAvikB, i'm not sure if its a bug or not, but test version of new forum was supporting cyrillics fine. but this forum just converts all cyrillic letters to question marks on saving post like previous version of the forum. though preview shows cyrillic letters. if i click "modify" button, then in post editor i see '?' instead of russian letters.I think this is because when this forum was installed(a long time ago before i begin this project) utf-8 was not enabled by default. I am looking into this.
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ALTER TABLE smf_log_comments CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
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ALTER TABLE smf_log_member_notices CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
ALTER TABLE smf_log_notify CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
ALTER TABLE smf_log_online CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
ALTER TABLE smf_log_packages CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
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ALTER TABLE smf_log_reported CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
ALTER TABLE smf_log_reported_comments CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
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ALTER TABLE smf_log_search_subjects CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
ALTER TABLE smf_log_search_topics CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
ALTER TABLE smf_log_spider_hits CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
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ALTER TABLE smf_membergroups CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
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hopefully these 2 strings i mentioned are complete sentences without any parts of sentences dynamically generated by soft, so no problem to translate them at all.I will make the translation procedure better is v2.0, sorry for this inconvenience.
unfortunately "Forum Maintenance > Convert the database and data to UTF-8" in step 3 isnt available - not sure why. The default forum language in step 2 is already en_US.utf8 do you see any issues with running this SQL?I tested this on my local machine, and it seems "smf_prefix"(at line 57) does not exist. if you remove that line it should run fine.
that doesnt make sense to me. Firstly which file are you referring to, and secondly have you made a typo? how can i remove a line that does not existunfortunately "Forum Maintenance > Convert the database and data to UTF-8" in step 3 isnt available - not sure why. The default forum language in step 2 is already en_US.utf8 do you see any issues with running this SQL?I tested this on my local machine, and it seems "smf_prefix"(at line 57) does not exist. if you remove that line it should run fine.
ofc create a backup before that.
There is the following line i am talking about:that doesnt make sense to me. Firstly which file are you referring to, and secondly have you made a typo? how can i remove a line that does not existunfortunately "Forum Maintenance > Convert the database and data to UTF-8" in step 3 isnt available - not sure why. The default forum language in step 2 is already en_US.utf8 do you see any issues with running this SQL?I tested this on my local machine, and it seems "smf_prefix"(at line 57) does not exist. if you remove that line it should run fine. ofc create a backup before that.
ALTER TABLE smf_prefix CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8 COLLATE utf8_general_ci;
i have changed the character set on the sql tables.it means "its just a test" :)
просто тест
no idea what that means!
AvikB, here is russian localization of mb site: http://www.mediafire.com/download/cvsqcoqmmbq7bhk/ru-ru.php i've rechecked my translation twice, but anyway it could be that some strings are too long for site design, so its still possible that further corrections should be made. first i need to look at live russian site.thanks. i will upload it tomorrow on the test site first and once you are sure everything is on the place ,we can upload it on the live site.
AvikB, here is russian localization of mb site: http://www.mediafire.com/download/cvsqcoqmmbq7bhk/ru-ru.php i've rechecked my translation twice, but anyway it could be that some strings are too long for site design, so its still possible that further corrections should be made. first i need to look at live russian site.
thanks a lot for all your efforts. could you remind me url of test site?AvikB, here is russian localization of mb site: http://www.mediafire.com/download/cvsqcoqmmbq7bhk/ru-ru.php i've rechecked my translation twice, but anyway it could be that some strings are too long for site design, so its still possible that further corrections should be made. first i need to look at live russian site.thanks. i will upload it tomorrow on the test site first and once you are sure everything is on the place ,we can upload it on the live site.
Btw, in future you might wanna use github to pull a request, that way it would be easier on me to view and accept changes.
thanks a lot for all your efforts. could you remind me url of test site? i've found a typo again (similar to previous one): string "no_js" (don't remember line number, but its at the end of file). replace "(or it is disabled.)" by "(or it is disabled)."http://www.test.getmusicbee.com
@Steven & AvikB - I've been thinking about this since the site went live and I think it's time to call it to your attention.
At the bottom left of the forum and website pages is the static "Get the Latest MusicBee" with the version number, release date, and link. But that's not really the -latest- version because there are patches.
A solution might be to get rid of the words "the latest" and just have "Get MusicBee" which links to the download page. And add information on the download page with a link to the latest patch and how to install it.
I note that the download page doesn't say "latest version" so I feel the static link at the bottom of the forum and website pages should also not say "the latest." Because it usually isn't.
Comments welcome.
seems a valid argument, fixed for next update.@Steven & AvikB - I've been thinking about this since the site went live and I think it's time to call it to your attention. At the bottom left of the forum and website pages is the static "Get the Latest MusicBee" with the version number, release date, and link. But that's not really the -latest- version because there are patches. A solution might be to get rid of the words "the latest" and just have "Get MusicBee" which links to the download page. And add information on the download page with a link to the latest patch and how to install it. I note that the download page doesn't say "latest version" so I feel the static link at the bottom of the forum and website pages should also not say "the latest." Because it usually isn't. Comments welcome.+1: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.msg116016#msg116016
AvikB, i have a problem. for tag tools plugin (and only for it) the limit of 5000 chars for readme is insufficient. considering possible plugin evolution in future i would want at least 15000 limit (or no limit at all). is this possible?i am currently working on reducing the limit, and thought i might get a clear picture.
Any way to make this sticky? Every time I exit the forum (even without logging out) this reverts back to 'Everyone.' (http://i.imgur.com/kAhGFLY.jpg)is ABSOLUTELY required since it is not possible without hacks? i am a bit busy right now with the new v2.0 website(working on ownership transfer feature).
is ABSOLUTELY required since it is not possible without hacks? i am a bit busy right now with the new v2.0 website(working on ownership transfer feature).Of course it's not required. Absolutely or not. It just seems like it -should- remember the selection. You can put this on your v2+ to-do list.
If required i can see what i can do. but hold on till v2.0 is released. :)
This is already done for v2.0seems a valid argument, fixed for next update.@Steven & AvikB - I've been thinking about this since the site went live and I think it's time to call it to your attention. At the bottom left of the forum and website pages is the static "Get the Latest MusicBee" with the version number, release date, and link. But that's not really the -latest- version because there are patches. A solution might be to get rid of the words "the latest" and just have "Get MusicBee" which links to the download page. And add information on the download page with a link to the latest patch and how to install it. I note that the download page doesn't say "latest version" so I feel the static link at the bottom of the forum and website pages should also not say "the latest." Because it usually isn't. Comments welcome.+1: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.msg116016#msg116016
Should the test site be reflecting this change now? I see that you added that the Patch download is now available on the downloads page, but it points to an old link. It should point to http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V3_0/MusicBee3_Patched.zipThis is already done for v2.0seems a valid argument, fixed for next update.@Steven & AvikB - I've been thinking about this since the site went live and I think it's time to call it to your attention. At the bottom left of the forum and website pages is the static "Get the Latest MusicBee" with the version number, release date, and link. But that's not really the -latest- version because there are patches. A solution might be to get rid of the words "the latest" and just have "Get MusicBee" which links to the download page. And add information on the download page with a link to the latest patch and how to install it. I note that the download page doesn't say "latest version" so I feel the static link at the bottom of the forum and website pages should also not say "the latest." Because it usually isn't. Comments welcome.+1: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=16894.msg116016#msg116016
Should the test site be reflecting this change now? I see that you added that the Patch download is now available on the downloads page, but it points to an old link. It should point to http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V3_0/MusicBee3_Patched.zip In addition, instructions for applying the patch should be added. Something similar to the second sentence in my sig. Also, the static 'get the latest MB' at the bottom of all windows, still says "latest." I feel it should simple say "Get MusicBee" Lastly, the download page shows the availability of a 'beta version' and points to a very old version.It is not live YET!, i will update the test site soon, maybe later this week.
I think the beta section should be removed completely since Steven really doesn't issue betas.The beta section is there in the test website so that boroda74 can see the translations and fix them. Also it is only in the test site. not hurting anyone.
When using the dark theme, when members use colored text in their posts, some become almost invisible or very hard to read. For example dark-blue, and of course grey and black. (logged-in mods under 'users online are also almost unreadable) Would it be possible to have some replacement color for those when switched to the dark theme?
yeah i noticed it too. I can not change individual color but i can make every font white. For example blue, black, and other color will turn to white when dark theme is activated.
I was thinking of providing a lighter color for darker theme, but seems it is not possible due to colors being hard-coded directly :Syeah i noticed it too. I can not change individual color but i can make every font white. For example blue, black, and other color will turn to white when dark theme is activated.That would probably work, or perhaps a nice color that fits well within the the theme, so it's still clear somebody tried to emphasize something? Some other (lighter) blues seem to work well, perhaps orange. I'm sure you'll figure out something nice.
not a big deal but for the two last add-ons, i noticed they are not showing in the "Newly added Add-ons" section on the ADD-ONS page "BallBee App Icon" and "Milkdrop Visualiser". Are the Visualiser and Misc ADD-ONS not included?i am investigating this issue.
I was thinking of providing a lighter color for darker theme, but seems it is not possible due to colors being hard-coded directly :S
i will see what i can do?
Actually, that reminds me: AvikB, is the faq dynamically updated from the wiki?Only the sidebar for "popular, most viewed, new wiki article" gets updated automatically.
not a big deal, but dates are not localized anywhere, for example:
maybe it would be better just to always use localized dates (for russian its preferable to use dates in dynamically generated text only with numbers, without any words), independently of chosen site localization?
also some text are not localized at all (i don't mean forum and help):for download page buttons, they are localized. follow the link:
the 'you are not logged in' page had appeared when i was NOT using forum, i just tried to submit add-on, so i think it should be localized also.For the Knowledge Based error page, i have already made some changes to make it localized. i will provide an update for this tomorrow or maybe tonight.
also i assume that 'faq and help' page could be mostly localized. i understand that not everything can be localized on this page.FAQ is user generated. Only admin can edit this. So it is not localized.
Actually, that reminds me: AvikB, is the faq dynamically updated from the wiki?Only the sidebar for "popular, most viewed, new wiki article" gets updated automatically.
The FAQ can be edited by Admin from the dashboard. It is not updated automatically.
Is it possible to change that? It doesn't get updated super often, but that means that the website, where people are more likely to look first, will be lagging behind.Okay it is possible to get the content from wiki via their api. Whenever you need to update the FAQ, All you need to do is to edit the faq on the WIKIA and the website faq will auto update itself. It is fully automatic.
Is it possible to change that? It doesn't get updated super often, but that means that the website, where people are more likely to look first, will be lagging behind.BTW, is it possible to get the FAQ page ID, can't seem to find it:
i agree with you that retranslation may be a pain. but i consider localized faq to be very important. maybe just make it localizable with bold big 'last updated date' and with link to latest english faq (for people who speak english)?
Another reason for not making it localized is that FAQ and other section can get updates in future, and if any localized version is provided, someone needs to re-translate it again, which would be a pain for everyone.
Let me know, if you think providing a localized version of FAQ can be helpful. I am looking into possibilities.
Btw do you guys think forum font is small? i just noticed it is 13px, normal is 13px-15px, i like 14px which is a bit more large.i did think that initially but i am used to it now. Is it easy to change on the test website so we can make an assessment?
i will need some input on this.
Is it possible to change that? It doesn't get updated super often, but that means that the website, where people are more likely to look first, will be lagging behind.Okay it is possible to get the content from wiki via their api. Whenever you need to update the FAQ, All you need to do is to edit the faq on the WIKIA and the website faq will auto update itself. It is fully automatic.
Steven won't have to manage the faq section at all. Does this sound good?
i agree with you that retranslation may be a pain. but i consider localized faq to be very important. maybe just make it localizable with bold big 'last updated date' and with link to latest english faq (for people who speak english)? and thanks for all.I will make some test to see if this is possible without breaking anything.
Awesome! I'll have to ask somebody about page IDs, that's new to me.It is ok. Page id won't be needed.
Btw do you guys think forum font is small? i just noticed it is 13px, normal is 13px-15px, i like 14px which is a bit more large.
i will need some input on this.
I would prefer the current size, not larger.AvikB, maybe its possible to have some settings in user profile or somewhere else? personally for me its not the problem at all, i'm using firefox extension, which allows me to adjust site colors/text sizes, but some people may need these settings.
+1I would prefer the current size, not larger.AvikB, maybe its possible to have some settings in user profile or somewhere else? personally for me its not the problem at all, i'm using firefox extension, which allows me to adjust site colors/text sizes, but some people may need these settings.
Thanks. I have added few more things for the dashboard and also the knowledgebase error page is now available for translation.I would prefer the current size, not larger.here is your latest russian php file, but with all these 3 buttons "get msusicbee..." translated: http://www.mediafire.com/download/6rsjnra9mjdmzpn/ru-ru.php
Okay i will leave it as it is. Until other people starts complaining about it, i am not going to provide these option.+1I would prefer the current size, not larger.AvikB, maybe its possible to have some settings in user profile or somewhere else? personally for me its not the problem at all, i'm using firefox extension, which allows me to adjust site colors/text sizes, but some people may need these settings.
Unfortunately, it is not possible anymore. the FAQ page will use wikia FAQ, which is in english. If anyone is interested in creating different language muiscbee FAQ they will need to create a seperate wikia, and then link between them to let the user know what other language is available.Another reason for not making it localized is that FAQ and other section can get updates in future, and if any localized version is provided, someone needs to re-translate it again, which would be a pain for everyone. Let me know, if you think providing a localized version of FAQ can be helpful. I am looking into possibilities.i agree with you that retranslation may be a pain. but i consider localized faq to be very important. maybe just make it localizable with bold big 'last updated date' and with link to latest english faq (for people who speak english)? and thanks for all.
If you create the localized faq on the wiki, I can put a link to it at the top of the FAQ page.yeah, that is the only solution.
If you create the localized faq on the wiki, I can put a link to it at the top of the FAQ page.yes, its good solution. only please localized link. ofc i'll provide it.
latest russian php file (includes last commit): http://www.mediafire.com/download/ibidl9zq1fmq19b/ru-ru.phpThanks.
wikia FAQ is now integrated into the FAQ page of the site. One thing to keep in mind is that whenever WIKIA is down the FAQ will be down too. Not a big deal, since most downtimes are temporary.
good solution. only please localized link. ofc i'll provide it.
well, i am not a wikia user, but just letting you guys know. :)wikia FAQ is now integrated into the FAQ page of the site. One thing to keep in mind is that whenever WIKIA is down the FAQ will be down too. Not a big deal, since most downtimes are temporary.Of all the criticisms I could make of Wikia, stability is not one of them.
well, i am not a wikia user, but just letting you guys know. :)wikia FAQ is now integrated into the FAQ page of the site. One thing to keep in mind is that whenever WIKIA is down the FAQ will be down too. Not a big deal, since most downtimes are temporary.Of all the criticisms I could make of Wikia, stability is not one of them.
Hi, little question. Why you don't used MediaWiki here on the MusicBee site?Too much work, specially integrating the site, creating custom theme, and then managing it. Upgrading/updating it, and lot. Also some one will have to port the current wiki and fix any issue with it.
AvikB, let me know when new 'change ownership' command is available on main site. i want to copy all plugin pages from the wiki to this site, but wont do this until its possible to change ownership.this feature will come with the next major release(v2.0), it is already implemented and ready.
when you update an add-on to a new version number, will the downloads counter be reset to zero?
That appears to be what I've observed as well. Just hoping it wasn't the case :-\when you update an add-on to a new version number, will the downloads counter be reset to zero?
I don't think it detects version change at all.
At least two people now have asked about the skin shown at the top of the main page. (It's Monaural by Alumni, right?) Could we put a note or even a link to the Add-ons page for it, maybe over the image or right under it?Or maybe change that image to one with MB's default skin. Folks are looking at the current image and expecting MB to open to that as the default. This results in "My newly downloaded MB doesn't look anything like the picture on the home page."
just a question about the dashboard. when you update an add-on to a new version number, will the downloads counter be reset to zero?no. The version number is independent from download count or likes count.
yeah i guess showing default skin would be nice.At least two people now have asked about the skin shown at the top of the main page. (It's Monaural by Alumni, right?) Could we put a note or even a link to the Add-ons page for it, maybe over the image or right under it?Or maybe change that image to one with MB's default skin. Folks are looking at the current image and expecting MB to open to that as the default. This results in "My newly downloaded MB doesn't look anything like the picture on the home page."
Shouldn't the downloads reset when the version changes?just a question about the dashboard. when you update an add-on to a new version number, will the downloads counter be reset to zero?no. The version number is independent from download count or likes count.
downloads are count per IP per account(which are then recorded).
Shouldn't the downloads reset when the version changes? Wouldn't users re-downloading an updated add-on only be artificially inflating the stats otherwise?Redownloading add-on won't increase the stat count. It is measured by IP(if not logged in) or userid(if logged in). Versions does not matter in this case.
I don't think re-downloads from the same IP/account getting counted.
Redownloading add-on won't increase the stat count. It is measured by IP(if not logged in) or userid(if logged in). Versions does not matter in this case.Thank you very much redwing + AvikB for setting my mind at ease with this info.
Would it be possible to give add-ons a subscription feature similar to forum topics, as in registered users receiving a notification when an add-on they've downloaded is updated?yeah, that would be a good thing. I will look into it.
AvikB, if its not too difficult, maybe its possible to add support for 2 versions of add-ons (mostly just for plugins): stable version and current beta?While this sounds a good idea, it might confuse a lots of new addon submitter. I will suggest you to submit it seperately using the "beta" set to yes and rename the addon to something like: Awesome Add-on [BETA]
While this sounds a good idea, it might confuse a lots of new addon submitter. I will suggest you to submit it seperately using the "beta" set to yes and rename the addon to something like: Awesome Add-on [BETA]yes, its acceptable solution.
and for the stable just name it simply: Awesome add-on, without any beta mark.
WELL DONE!;D
could .gif extension uploads be allowed for avatars?Gif can be uploaded, but steven and other forum members stated previously that GIF avatar is not something they like.
and the light/dark theme preference be permanently applied in profile settings?Not possible.
AvikB, not a big deal, but is it possible to represent topic pages as "1 2 3 4 .. page_before_last_page last_page" instead of current " 1 2 3 4 ... last_page" on board topic list? in general i want to see first the page that is 'before last page' to check that there are no latest comments.I think it is hardcoded into smf core, and can not be changed easily.
Can you turn on "Enable simple search" option under Search(Admin)> Search Settings to see if that enables case insensitive search?i have enabled that option
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=537400.0
i have enabled that option
Can't speak for others, but to me it's very useful info for thinking about how to improve it, etc. If no technical issues here, I'd like to see all counts.This is implemented on the Beta for v2.0, let me know if any feature you think would be useful or needed.
- Addon ownership transfer. which is located under Dashboard > Moderate > Actions >Transfer add-on ownership. Search for the addon by name and put the userid for the new owner and submit. This feature is only reserved for Moderator and Admins.Step 1 worked fine but for "Step 2: Find the User to Transfer the rights to"
Can't speak for others, but to me it's very useful info for thinking about how to improve it, etc. If no technical issues here, I'd like to see all counts.This is implemented on the Beta for v2.0, let me know if any feature you think would be useful or needed.
Thanks! 1. Can you implement case-insensitive search? If not, adding google custom search box to somewhere (additionally) might be useful. Try "SSD" and "ssd" with the current search box, and "ssd site:getmusicbee.com" with google and you will get what I mean.If you are talking about forum search, then i am afraid it is not possible without any mods or so.
2. How about checking each add-on version and sort recently updated add-ons by version change? Then people could see which add-ons have been updated since they had downloaded.There is a recently added and updated addon coming for other add-on pages.
3. Hope you will change the homepage picture to a more music-related one.I do have some plan for the home page.
Register button in the navbar Will be implemented in next update.
Regarding home menu, (http://i.imgur.com/opMpXxW.png)
1. "Register" menu would better be located just next to "Login". It's not easy to find when you look for it.
2. Instead of Register, having "Wiki" & "Latest Patch" (that will jump to the Steven's first forum topic) menu in there would be more useful.
2. How about checking each add-on version and sort recently updated add-ons by version change? Then people could see which add-ons have been updated since they had downloaded.There is a recently added and updated addon coming for other add-on pages.
Added on my local server. will be available on the next update.Register button in the navbar Will be implemented in next update.Not implemented yet.
I already added links to wiki on the download page. I highly doubt adding it as a link on the forum menu will do have any impact. Also it is available under the help menu.2. Instead of Register, having "Wiki" & "Latest Patch" (that will jump to the Steven's first forum topic) menu in there would be more useful.Bump this too. Many users don't seem to know the existence of wiki and the latest patch thread.
I already added links to wiki on the download page. I highly doubt adding it as a link on the forum menu will do have any impact. Also it is available under the help menu.
Then what about latest patch?if you are refering to a link on the downloads page to the latest patch, then the functionality is already available for me to configure but i havent enabled it due to concerns about users not understanding its a patch version and not an installer (how many times has it been reported as a bug on the forum even though instructions are provided).
if you are refering to a link on the downloads page to the latest patch
I can provide a link to the download page. Something like:if you are refering to a link on the downloads page to the latest patchNo, I'm just suggesting adding a link on forum menu to the latest patch thread (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=18462.0) because many users don't seem to know about it. Then it would look like this
@ AvikB I'm sure that polls where available in the test site. Did they get turned off for the live site? I thought they would have been a great way to track threads in the wishlist. An automated response poll with 4 options:i think Steven forget to turned it on. Ask him, he should be able to activate polls from forum admin center.And voting could only run for a maximum of 3 months
- Yes - I would use this option
- Undecided - I may/may not use this option
- No - I would not use this option
- Not Applicable - This doesn't effect the way I use MusicBee
i think Steven forget to turned it on. Ask him, he should be able to activate polls from forum admin center.thanks :) will ask Steven as suggested
AvikB, when new version will be online?I don't have any ETA. It is mostly done(function wise), but there are still few things i need to do before it is ready for a proper release. Maybe end of this year.
or a disclaimer should appear directly underneath the image.i think its better solution.
Personally i am happy to NOT have any disclaimer, after all there are presumably thousands of people who see the page and dont have any issues.Yes, I think that's probably a very valid statement. I withdraw my concern. :-)
Could there perhaps be some technical issue with the forum? With cleartype disabled on my system, the fonts suddenly are very ugly again. It looks like something might be broken in presenting the replacement fonts in case of 'cleartype=disabled'. Perhaps somebody could confirm this? (There also have been some updates from both Windows 10 and Firefox today, so I am not sure what might cause this) To give an impression how it looks with cleartype off (2x enlarged):i will look into this.
I know not everybody likes the 'sharpness' of cleartype off.I can't say what I saw was -exactly- like yours, but when I looked at the same thing you took the screenshot from, it was definitely not smooth edged.
But do you see the exact same deformations as from my screenshot, or does it look just a bit edgier than with cleartype on?
i will look into this.
Hey, thanks old friend ;-) But I had a bright moment, and checked another pc, gave it the same W10 and Firefox updates, and that one behaves as it should with cleartype off. So it seems to be a very specific issue with the installation of these updates on my main pc only. So, please don't waste time on this on my behalf. I'll see if I can revert some stuff and find out what happened exactly.Clear the cache that might fix it.
Clear the cache that might fix it.
btw i am pretty young :P
are you on insider build?Clear the cache that might fix it. btw i am pretty young :PI learned and remembered that trick from a young friend ;-) but that doesn't fix it for this system. It really feels like something went wrong when updating. I remember the whole system behaving a bit strange, before I understood some updates probably were going on in the background already. I'll restore an image from a week ago and see what happens exactly.
also reset firefox preference, that might fix it. otherwise you might need to restore to a previous point. good luck.
Thnx, I found the culprit. A bit strange and unexpected, but it was the Firefox add-on Privacy Badger. The new version (2.0) seems to break the replacement font feature. (Even when I disabled PB for the MusicBee forum pages.) I just went back to an older version of Privacy Badger, and it's o.k. again.Glad to hear you sorted it.
I noticed that a download link for a skin on the add-ons page is not working correctly. When I click on the blue download button for 'The Blue Bee and the Sea' skin (http://getmusicbee.com/addons/skins/5/the-blue-bee-and-the-sea/) , it redirects to a dead link. But the download link as setup is correct, and also works fine when used from the forum topic. I'm not sure if this might have anything to do with it, but I notice a difference in use of capitals. The original download link contains capitals: ( http://bit.ly/The_Blue_Bee_and_the_Sea ), but when I look at the url where you get stranded I notice lower case only. (the_blue_bee_and_the_sea) Could that be why it doesn't work? (I just checked, and this is seems the case for all of my skins on the add-ons page)yes the issue was causing because the url was converted in lowercase, i have posted an update to Steven, it should be fixed with this minor update. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
yes the issue was causing because the url was converted in lowercase, i have posted an update to Steven, it should be fixed with this minor update. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Thanks for your quick response. It only goes to show how popular my skins are. Haha;)
Just curious, do you have a sense of how successful or popular the new add-ons pages are?I have implemented statistics for total downloads of all add-ons and likes, it can be viewed by admins and mods.
Are people finding them, and using/browsing it a lot?Don't know for sure :S , Lets just imagine they do. ;)
i have applied the patch nowThanks for your quick response. It only goes to show how popular my skins are. Haha;)
the update isn't live yet. hope steven update it soon.
i have applied the patch nowThanks for your quick response. It only goes to show how popular my skins are. Haha;)
the update isn't live yet. hope steven update it soon.
I am certain this was brought up before, but I can't remember if it was classified 'unresolvable' or just not addressed yet. Some text colors in the forum are extremely difficult to read when the dark theme is active. E.g. the dark blue names of moderators currently present are unreadable (on my display that is), and I noticed that once in a while a moderator will edit the post of a member that deliberately chose a very dark font color for his/her message, because else his/her post would be unreadable for users using the dark theme. Hopefully some solution is possible?Yes it was brought up before. But i have decided not to fix it.
Maybe reduce the available font colors? Maybe redefining the available colors to come up with a few that work better in both light and dark theme? Perhaps an auto-replacement color feature which detects if the reader is using dark or light theme?there are already 11 color, which is not a huge amount. Maybe a different set of color that works with both light and dark theme would be more suitable.
there are already 11 color, which is not a huge amount. Maybe a different set of color that works with both light and dark theme would be more suitable.
I am already thinking of removing the black one. Any suggestion would be welcome.
Do you have a personal preference for having a choice of 11 colors? Would less be an option in your opinion? I'll see if I can come up with some suggestions for colors that will work o.k. in both themes. To find eleven that work in both might be a challenge, would you be open to (less is more) maybe 6 or something like that? Anybody else interested in this, please jump in with suggestions...well i don't use all of those color myself, so i have no problem removing most of them, i included them as option. I think i just copied them from Microsoft's windows 10 color Platte or something. I am fully open to suggestion. I won't mind replacing them with 6 color if they are enough.
well i don't use all of those color myself, so i have no problem removing most of them, i included them as option. I think i just copied them from Microsoft's windows 10 color Platte or something. I am fully open to suggestion. I won't mind replacing them with 6 color if they are enough.
Thanks, that looks great. I will update the forum with these changes later.well i don't use all of those color myself, so i have no problem removing most of them, i included them as option. I think i just copied them from Microsoft's windows 10 color Platte or something. I am fully open to suggestion. I won't mind replacing them with 6 color if they are enough.Here is a proposal. Trying it out, in my opinion 6 colors would indeed be enough, but if people would like a few more, I could try and make a palette for 9 colors. In case the image gets degraded to jpg, for the exact colours you can download the png here: https://1drv.ms/i/s!AkA0tSv_UzTAgmob7JxtidU_gpXA (the rgb values I used are: red 252,0,3 orange 238,130,0 grey 156,156,156 blue 0,147,248 green 0,163,0 pink 205,120,214)
Thanks, that looks great. I will update the forum with these changes later.
I am not sure if this has been in the original proposals for the new forum, but I think it would be a good idea to have 'Polls' as a childboard under 'General Discussions'. It's a rather specific beast, and would be good to give it's own playground. Currently a way to separate them from other 'General' topics would be making them sticky, but that's not the most appropriate use, and you would also have to remember to un-sticky them if an end-date for the poll was set.i guess that would be a good idea. You should ask steven to add it to child board. But there will be no update until january 5th, since new year is upon us and it is vacation time.
I am not sure if this has been in the original proposals for the new forum, but I think it would be a good idea to have 'Polls' as a childboard under 'General Discussions'.Yes, a great idea!
It's a rather specific beast, and would be good to give it's own playground.
Added on my todo list. Will be available on the next update.Thanks
With the dashboard section, the overview only shows download stats for your 10 most popular add-ons. Would it be possible to add a downloads column to the "View all add-ons" page please?This is already implemented in v2.0 update. The demo is available in test.getmusicbee.com (http://test.getmusicbee.com)
The demo is available in test.getmusicbee.com (http://test.getmusicbee.com)I didn't realise the test site was on-going!
well most of the changes are under the hood. No major cosmetic changes are planned for v2.0The demo is available in test.getmusicbee.com (http://test.getmusicbee.com)I didn't realise the test site was on-going! I thought it was just the same as the final V1.2 design :-[ I'll keep an eye on what's happening there before I make any other already implemented suggestions :-X :)
Could somebody please confirm that clicking on the search icon here has no effect?Confirmed. And I'm pretty sure it's been asked/reported before.
(You can only press [Enter] to perform the search)
Could somebody please confirm that clicking on the search icon here has no effect? (You can only press [Enter] to perform the search)yes you are right, right now it does not do anything. i added it as a visual indicator for search. I will make it clickable in next update.
(http://i.imgur.com/NtQJcbP.png)
Ah, o.k. AvikB's response in 10, 9, 8, 7,... (just kidding, he's fast, but not that fast ;-)8)
Ah, o.k. AvikB's response in 10, 9, 8, 7,... (just kidding, he's fast, but not that fast ;-)8)
i have email notification turned on for this thread, and i mostly stay active on my pc during this time ;)8)Damn! He is that quick!
Aha, now I also know who the hidden user is ;-)haha. I turned off my status yesterday during some tests on the forum profile. But i mostly get email notification on my email client and then visit this thread, not always active on the site.
yes you are right, right now it does not do anything. i added it as a visual indicator for search. I will make it clickable in next update.Great! Thanks.
Very minor issue, the text in this bar (This section allows you to view...) is a bit hard to read in Dark theme.Fixed for next update.
(http://i.imgur.com/ivhAlvc.png)
Also minor: Sometimes a scroll bar will appear, while there is no text below the pane to actually scroll through. Also, it doesn't have Dark theme coloring. (http://i.imgur.com/3SkNKZgl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/3SkNKZg.png)That is controlled by the system and the browser itself. I will not change it, in the past i have used custom scrollbar and they don't behave nicely with different browser. Some browser even don't allow you to change it without any sort of javascript hack(firefox for example).
Thnx, I'll try to remember it's a system/browser issue and not bring it up again... It was just weird to see it often seems to appear with short postings, while you would expect them with longer postings. I thought some forum code might be responsible for triggering it.You are right. There is a small glitch there. It is a easy fix, somehow missed it. :S will be fixed.
(http://i.imgur.com/LFoTaNIl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/LFoTaNI.png)
@AvikB - I want to update the readme on one of my skins, but I don't see any way to edit an existing submission.@ phred
If it already exists, please point me to it.
If it doesn't, I think a vehicle for editing/updating all all-ons is needed.
Thanks.
Looks nice!Thanks. ;)
@ phredGot it! I was ignoring the 'view all add-ons' tab because the way I read it, it would show me -all- add-ons when I only wanted to see mine.
Open Dashboard ==> view all add-ons
in the "Your published add-ons" panel there is a little pencil symbol on a blue tile
you can edit the original post there
So perhaps changing that to read 'view all your add-ons' would prevent that from happening to others. Thanks.Will keep it in mind for the next update.
New message icon for the next update:That's great!! Thank you.
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and new message:
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This should make it much more clear than before. Hope this will clear any confusion we had regarding bell icon.
Checking the test forum, I noticed that under "Users active in past 15 minutes:" the mods user names still have the old, very dark blue colors, not the proposed lighter color,It can be changed from admin panel as shown below, i haven't done it since it can be customized anytime, will do it when everything is in place. :)
and when creating a PM, there is no color palette for the text available at all. I don't know if the current test forum exactly represents the forum update you are intending to launch, but I thought to mention this.Yes the test forum does not fully represent the current forum. But i have changed it now, you should see it. also the color Platte is available when posting new posts too.
Great. I just posted a test message there for the new text colors, and I think they work very well for both themes?Yes, that looks nice ;)
It would be good to have 'Polls' as a child board under 'General Discussions'.
It's kind of a different beast that would be good to split and give it's dedicated space so the polls do not snow under between all the 'more normal' topics.
This was proposed before, and I remember phred and AvikB agreeing on it, but I can't find it back so I'll just refresh it here:I was sure this discussion was a PM, but I can't find it in my inbox. But yes, 'Polls' as a child board would be a great help. Especially if they have no end date. I've made mine sticky, but hiccup didn't do that so his are slowly moving down the pile. They won't get buried if they're in their own child board.
It would be good to have 'Polls' as a child board under 'General Discussions'.
It's kind of a different beast that would be good to split and give it's dedicated space so the polls do not snow under between all the 'more normal' topics.
Just an idea, It might be handy to have the feature for the forum to select 'display unanswered questions for the last month'. You can accomplish something like that by going to 'Questions', and then sorting on 'replies'. But it could be helpful to be able to have only these specific filtered posts showing at one click of a button accessed from the main board, since such feature might promote, and make it easier for more members to help in answering open, unanswered questions.I don't think that is possible.
I don't think that is possible.
SMF's sorting does not support multiple criteria which is needed for this kind of sort.
You will need to sort by replies and also dates. otherwise older forum posts will show at the top. also i don't think SMF has any ranged sorting. You can't just filter only the last month. :S
That seem to have that functionality and A BUNCH MORE! it seems like a overkill to me. Implementing this would make the search more complex than it already is.I don't think that is possible. SMF's sorting does not support multiple criteria which is needed for this kind of sort. You will need to sort by replies and also dates. otherwise older forum posts will show at the top. also i don't think SMF has any ranged sorting. You can't just filter only the last month. :SOk, that's a pity. I just found this, but it might well be covering something completely different: http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=3818
Hey Cortana, create a small button on the main page displaying all posts from the 'Questions' board from last month that have no replies.Cortana: Sorry, useful tasks like that is not possible for me. I can tell you jokes though!
I'm probably just ahead of my times. Hahawell in future AI will do most of the tasks including this too. ;)
Cortana: Sorry, useful tasks like that is not possible for me. I can tell you jokes though!
lol! google AI can already make songs. so it is only a matter of time.Cortana: Sorry, useful tasks like that is not possible for me. I can tell you jokes though!Haha, yes, and she can sing too! (Hey Cortana, sing me a song) Soon she will be an artist with her own playlist in MusicBee!
http://www.getmusicbee.com/en_us/
http://www.getmusicbee.com/ru_ru/
@AvikB, You missed a spot for dark theme here: (http://i.imgur.com/1K3R93u.png)it is already fixed. you can check it on the test forum.
Haha, you scare me with these fast replies. Cheers!haha. 8)
In the dashboard section could you change it so Your most downloaded add ons section shows all add ons instead of just the top 10? ThanksNo, this is not possible. But in future you will be able to see download count for all of your add-ons.
No, this is not possible. But in future you will be able to see download count for all of your add-ons.
hey AvikB! Any news on the forum update progress? My eyes are beginning to hurt:Contact steven, he should be able to update those colors from admin panel.
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No problem, I noticed mail notifications being very buggy lately too.hopefully it gets resolved soon. Checking post for reply is a pain :-X
where? i cant see any setting for thathey AvikB! Any news on the forum update progress? My eyes are beginning to hurt:Contact steven, he should be able to update those colors from admin panel.
(http://i.imgur.com/Zvy611b.png)
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where? i cant see any setting for thatgo to admin panel > Members > Membergroups > Edit Member Groups
Hello If not already the case, could the new website include any Google Analytics-like tool, that for instance could show how many MB downloads occur per country? As a translator for French locale, I was just curious about how many users could be using MB in this locale, very roughly :) ThanksThere was google analytics on the previous website, i decided not to include it on the new site.
Small request for the forums: "Insert image" to support webm formati think you mean webp format., which is developed by google.
i think you mean webp format., which is developed by google.
And, your image doesn't work with Firefox.Firefox does not support webm, since it is not widely used. I can't do anything about it :( Maybe one day firefox will add webp support.
As for webm, it is not a image since you mentioned "Insert image" i thought you mistaken it for webp. and yes you are right webm is not supported.
Don't know if it will be supported in future or not, can't say anything about it at this point. SMF by default does not support webm(i think).
I will look into it, no promises though.
AvikB, is it possible to make page 'Please wait! You will be redirected...' (when you click 'download' button on add-on page) localizable?It is possible. You should wait until 2.0. Sorry for the delay got busy with exam and life :(
Hope you're well?Yeah kind of. I am just busy with study. It is pretty tiresome. :(
@hiccup, yes it seems to be broken. I don't know what is causing the issue. I have to do some test.QuoteHope you're well?Yeah kind of. I am just busy with study. It is pretty tiresome. :(
Well, at least your responsiveness hasn't suffered ;-) No hurries, just jot it down somewhere in your to-do list...haha. don't worry i have email notification enabled. Unless my internet is down i will try to reply quickly ;)
I still don't see the new colour palette for choosing font colours.Yeah it is coming this week. :) I mainly pushed out the website update.
When you switch the Forum on the Russian language file is missing; getmusicbee.com/forum/Themes/mb_modern/images/russian-utf8/new.gifForum is not available in russian. The translation is only for the website.
Forum is not available in russian. The translation is only for the website.Will there be full support for Russian language in the forum?
SMF handles translation differently than the website. I have looked into it but couldn't find anyway to change it directly. For now i am leaving it as it is. Maybe in future i will give it another look when new SMF comes out.Forum is not available in russian. The translation is only for the website.Will there be full support for Russian language in the forum?
SMF handles translation differently than the website. I have looked into it but couldn't find anyway to change it directly.Language Package for 'Russian' SMF 2.0.14.
yes i know that. it is handled separately than website. i can't switch forum translation when i switch website translation. that is why i leave it as it is.SMF handles translation differently than the website. I have looked into it but couldn't find anyway to change it directly.Language Package for 'Russian' SMF 2.0.14. "Just extract them into the same directory as the installation of SMF." https://download.simplemachines.org/?smflanguages;lang=russian
i can't switch forum translation when i switch website translation. that is why i leave it as it is.You mean the simultaneous switching of the language on the site and on the forum?
Yeah i meant the simultaneous switching. I couldn't find any way to do it.i can't switch forum translation when i switch website translation. that is why i leave it as it is.You mean the simultaneous switching of the language on the site and on the forum? Can you just update the localization forum, because it already works, just outdated \ incomplete version?
Personally i dont think its a good idea to make the forum localised as that signals to people that help is available without any effort to ask questions in english+1
I still don't see the new colour palette for choosing font colours.It is done now. Also with some other requested changes.
It sems like logging out a user after 60 minutes is a default forum behavior (at least it was a couple weeks ago). Well, when a forum user is writing a post for more than 60 minutes and then clicks "Submit", they are immediately logged out, and everyting that was written is gone.
as for the 60 minute login time. it is SMF default. I have no intention of changing it. It is a security measurement against user who are not very tech savvy and logs in from public pc.
Then how can they not lose what they typed?How are they even loosing it in the first place? You mean a way to save the typed text when they close the window?
Can it show something like a popup warning dialog when only 5 mins is left?hmmm not sure. Frankly i don't think this will help any. If the user has switched tabs they will never notice the popup anyway.
Then can you add remaining log in time only for editor window? It won't matter when they are simply browsing.i highly doubt it is possible. I don't think it can be done without modifying the core SMF files.
What happens if you click on go back button of the browser after you get logged out? Can it be recovered?no it will disappear. It is by design. It is built into SMF. Sorry nothing i can do.
You Guys do a wonderful Job on this beautiful Player. Right now it´s my favorite Player. Greetz from Hamburg, Germany Svenummm.... this is not the right thread to show your appreciation. We do have a dedicated thread just for that.
AvikB, could 2 too wide strings be warped on russian home page of site? also could you send me latest php file for site?check your in PM.
@Steven, i've copied all missing on main site plugins from the wiki to main site. maybe we should delete 'plugins' section from the wiki now?OK with me as i think new plugins are only being added directly to the add-ons page for a while. But I would like psychoadept to say OK as well
AvikB, could you make the corners of 'new' icon (for new posts on the forum) transparent rather than white? now they look not very good for dark theme.yeah icons were always an issue. Right now the forum uses the default icon set.
AvikB, one typo correction for russian site localization: http://www.mediafire.com/file/16v4sl9z1c1dncb/ru-ru.phpThanks. I will send it to Steven this week.
How about supporting List View for add-ons page? With tiny or no thumbnail, the list would be sortable by add-on name/author name/popularity/added date/update date. That would help browsing entire add-ons and locate a specific add-on more quickly when you don't know its exact name.Yes i am planning to add this feature in the next major update. Although i highly doubt you are going to browse in the list mode. Since it is much better to browse in thumbnail mode for stuff like skins. you can get a peak on how it looks. But sorting feature is definitely coming.
AvikB, could you extend the character limit for add-on description from 15000 to 30000? suspect that i'm very close to current limit for tag tools plugin.ehhh..... 0_0 are you writing an wiki? maybe you can write in the existing wikia and link it there!!
Steven, very very minor visual issue for me :) could you change forum board name from 'The latest releases including fixes and new features. (Announcements only)' to 'The latest releases including fixes and new features (announcements only).'? --------------------------------------------- I was missing on the forum for ~half year and see that site version is still 1.x. does this mean that AvikB has abandoned development of site or he is just temporary busy with something personal?There were some backend update and some minor fixes but nothing major.
thanks for the answer. another question (offtopic, but I cant find this thread): what's happened with your addon update notification plugin? is it finished/working/available?I am not sure if it will work reliably when the server is not very stable. Also it creates some load for the server which i don't think it will be able to handle.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/his2bz1csfqst1y/ru-ru.php/filethe link does not work.
try this: http://www.mediafire.com/file/16v4sl9z1c1dncb/ru-ru.php/fileI have sent the new updates for the language and the icon to Steven. It should be updated in a day or so.
thanks. I guess I have to do it the long way around then. Most forums takes photos directly.Ok I took some screenshots but i can't figure out how to attach them to this post. The image button wants a url and won't let me upload my screenshots.
https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=3998.0
AvikB, this has been requested many times and I want to bump it: maybe its not too difficult to make auto-uploading of images to imgur (or another image hosting site) like its already done for add-on submission?
I have no knowledge or experience with this postimages organisation, so I can't vouch for it's workings, but it might be worth a shot?
I have no knowledge or experience with this postimages organisation, so I can't vouch for it's workings, but it might be worth a shot?I just tried out the upload image feature using the 'Upload' button on their main website to give it a testdrive. Bad news: While the options look very nice, it created forum image links that had advertisement links added to them. So this PostImages organisation seems to be a dishonest bunch and would be a bad choice for our forum. So, fuggetaboutit.
I don't understand how hard it is for user to simply upload the image on imgur and then paste tge link here:
It seems the most obvious location for such a link to me. And it would be very hard to miss by somebody creating a post. As a follow-up thought: There are now three sticky howto's on posting a screenshot by three different forum members. If this idea gets support, it would probably be good if a moderator would create one single post, assembling the different options explained in these separate posts together. And then, as time and technology progresses, that tutorial would need to be kept updated when there are new developments. So a mod would need to support this idea too before implementing it.Well if everyone agrees to this, i will implement this.
It seems the most obvious location for such a link to me. And it would be very hard to miss by somebody creating a post. As a follow-up thought: There are now three sticky howto's on posting a screenshot by three different forum members. If this idea gets support, it would probably be good if a moderator would create one single post, assembling the different options explained in these separate posts together. And then, as time and technology progresses, that tutorial would need to be kept updated when there are new developments. So a mod would need to support this idea too before implementing it.Well if everyone agrees to this, i will implement this.
This won't be much of an hassle. 8)
If this idea gets support, it would probably be good if a moderator would create one single post, assembling the different options explained in these separate posts together.
Or, considering it may be a sensitive matter to merge or weed-out existing threads from different members, create a spanking new one, and populate it by copying the most relevant and still actual tutorials on how to post a screenshot from existing posts. And then ask AvikB to create a link to that new post in the 'Start new topic' panel.I will leave this to you guys. Send me a pm when it is done. I will push an quick update regarding this. 8)
I will leave this to you guys. Send me a pm when it is done. I will push an quick update regarding this. 8)
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Either you are the most harmless spambot I ever encountered, or you chose to express your appreciation at an odd location and with as least typing effort as possible. Either way, you seem to be...
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I don't know how much room there is, but how about something like:
A screenshot is worth a thousand words. Help us see what you're seeing by posting a screenshot.
Here's how: [LINK]
And please PREVIEW the result before posting.
I don't know how much room there is, but how about something like:
A screenshot is worth a thousand words. Help us see what you're seeing by posting a screenshot.
Here's how: [LINK]
And please PREVIEW the result before posting.
In a similar fashion, but also in an attempt to cut down on too many similar post from new users, how about displaying a clear and concise, step by step guide with pictures? (or via a link).@Freddy - take a look at the screenshot(s) AvikB has posted. This is going to be a brief statement that points the user to a newly-merged forum topic on how to post screenshots. This would not be the place for a clear and concise step-by-step. That's that the link is for.
In a similar fashion, but also in an attempt to cut down on too many similar post from new users, how about displaying a clear and concise, step by step guide with pictures? (or via a link).@Freddy - take a look at the screenshot(s) AvikB has posted. This is going to be a brief statement that points the user to a newly-merged forum topic on how to post screenshots. This would not be the place for a clear and concise step-by-step. That's that the link is for.
hiccup's proposal v.0.95 beta:
If you are posting a question or a bug report, please consider adding a explanatory screenshot to your post.
It could be very helpful in solving your issue or answering your question.
If you need help on how to add images to your post, read this: [LINK]
Always use the Preview button to check the result before posting.
Splendid idea and nicely articulated in simple terms!
+1
Maybe include "Please" always use the Preview button to check the result before posting.
Freddy
Strange coming from wordy old me, but less is more. If it's a paragraph, people are just going to ignore it.
Something like:
NOTE: If your question is about something best explained visually, post a screenshot. Here's how: [LINK]
Splendid idea and nicely articulated in simple terms!
+1
Maybe include "Please" always use the Preview button to check the result before posting.
Freddy
Please no 'please' added there please.
Some authoritative tone is suited there.
DO preview your post before you bother anyone with it! ;-)
hiccup's proposal v.0.95 beta: If you are posting a question or a bug report, please consider adding a explanatory screenshot to your post. It could be very helpful in solving your issue or answering your question. If you need help on how to add images to your post, read this: [LINK] Always use the Preview button to check the result before posting.
hiccup's proposal v.0.95 beta: If you are posting a question or a bug report, please consider adding a explanatory screenshot to your post. It could be very helpful in solving your issue or answering your question. If you need help on how to add images to your post, read this: [LINK] Always use the Preview button to check the result before posting.
That's way too long don't you think? It would eat up a lot of space.
Maybe one liner or at best 2 liner would be nice.
Strange coming from wordy old me, but less is more. If it's a paragraph, people are just going to ignore it.
Something like:
NOTE: If your question is about something best explained visually, post a screenshot. Here's how: [LINK]
I fully sympathize with the general idea. Less is more.
Yet, that brief wording might (it surely will by some) be read as "hey, that's great, now I won't need to use any words at all".
Secondly, my urging to use the 'Preview' button comes from seeing quite a few posts with 'broken image' icons, or screenshots at an enormous scale.
Using 'Preview' then will confront a poster that he should make some improvements before sharing his composed message to the world.
Easily solved with few words:
NOTE: If your post is about something best explained visually, add a screenshot to your description and hit PREVIEW to make sure it worked. Here's how: [LINK]
NOTE: If your post is about something best explained visually, add a screenshot to your description and hit PREVIEW to make sure it worked. Here's how: [LINK]Yes, this.
ok since everyone liked this, here is how it looks:hiccup's proposal v.0.95 beta: If you are posting a question or a bug report, please consider adding a explanatory screenshot to your post. It could be very helpful in solving your issue or answering your question. If you need help on how to add images to your post, read this: [LINK] Always use the Preview button to check the result before posting.That's way too long don't you think? It would eat up a lot of space. Maybe one liner or at best 2 liner would be nice.Easily solved with few words: NOTE: If your post is about something best explained visually, add a screenshot to your description and hit PREVIEW to make sure it worked. Here's how: [LINK]Strange coming from wordy old me, but less is more. If it's a paragraph, people are just going to ignore it. Something like: NOTE: If your question is about something best explained visually, post a screenshot. Here's how: [LINK]I fully sympathize with the general idea. Less is more. Yet, that brief wording might (it surely will by some) be read as "hey, that's great, now I won't need to use any words at all". Secondly, my urging to use the 'Preview' button comes from seeing quite a few posts with 'broken image' icons, or screenshots at an enormous scale. Using 'Preview' then will confront a poster that he should make some improvements before sharing his composed message to the world.
If you guys like it, i will finalize it. 👌
I'm on board with this. Seems reasonable that OP can delete the OP up until someone replies but not after.
If someone posts something that they change their mind about, they can always contact a moderator to remove it.
A new forum member asked a question, I gave an answer.Yeah, that's really poor forum etiquette. It would be nice if something could be done to prevent that.
Then the member logged-in, and decided to just delete his post, taking my answer with it.
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I have sent you an mail with the update.
I have sent you an mail with the update.How about adding some sort of polite and not in anyway condescending message to this web page ? https://getmusicbee.com/downloads/ with something on the lines of.. STOP - Before you download and install MusicBee, please read..... [add whatever new users need to be aware of here in simple steps with pics] Freddy
I am not sure what new users need to be aware of. :-\ Setting up Musicbee is pretty painless.
I have sent you an mail with the update.Done. I have added a couple of <BR> tags so there is an extra line between the NOTE: line and the input box so it stands out a bit more
It seems you haven't applied the .css file.I have sent you an mail with the update.Done. I have added a couple of
tags so there is an extra line between the NOTE: line and the input box so it stands out a bit more
I have sent you an mail with the update.Funny, I see that part of my suggestion ended up a bit to literal in the end result. ;-)
I have sent you an mail with the update.Funny, I see that part of my suggestion ended up a bit to literal in the end result. ;-)
Where I wrote [Link], I intended it to be replaced with a relevant and descriptive name/link in case my suggestion was implemented.
Now that it is, maybe replace [Link] with something like: How To Post A Screenshot ?
Since the text that is used right now is rather long already, this might result in too much text for one line.
If so, maybe better make it two lines?:
line 1: NOTE: If your post is about something best explained visually, please consider adding a screenshot to your post.
line 2: Use the 'Insert Image' icon for that. If you need help, click on: How To Post A Screenshot. (And, always use 'Preview' before posting)
(This also reads a bit better than the current one-liner in my opinion)
Note that clicking on 'How To Post A Screenshot' in line 2 should link to: https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=29488.0
(and note the bold and italic font suggestions)
It's already 2 lines on my tablet as it is.Screen width will determine how many lines are being used. I think a line break can be inserted to force two lines, but it would still depend on the user's screen width.
Only my phone it's 4.
No need to send an updated file. I have made that changeOk nice :)
Well, I guess thinking people were going to read it was me just being overly optimistic. How about if the entire box was filled with a red background and white or yellow type? https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=29583.0
Nah, that won't help. It is hard to educate people. But honestly we all knew putting small line there won't do shit. :-\You're probably right. It's really too bad, because those of us who supported the idea, and you and Steven who implemented it, really had the best intentions. Thanks for trying.
At least now we can berate them more effectively. :DNah, that won't help. It is hard to educate people. But honestly we all knew putting small line there won't do shit. :-\You're probably right. It's really too bad, because those of us who supported the idea, and you and Steven who implemented it, really had the best intentions. Thanks for trying.
I -still- think the box should stand out more than it does. Red background/white or yellow text. People are simply skipping over it. If the box were red, or some other color it would stand out more and people might actually look at it. Whether or not they read it is another story. But I strongly feel we need to call attention to it. If someone has a better suggestion, let's hear it.
I've made a small change that might help"Might" being the operative word. I do see the change, but I'm still not convinced. We can only wait and see what happens.
Is there perhaps some forum mechanism available/implementable so that a mod that spots such a suspect post (or is alerted to one) can hide that post from the forum—so that valid forum members don't get lured, and waste their time in having a discussion with a bot—and have some standardized PM sent to the new member/bot, saying something like:Yes, that would be a good way to handle some of these tricky first posts. I would be very much in favor of something like this.
"We are very sorry, but since this is your very first post on the forum, please reply to this PM so that your posting will be visible to other members".
And when there is no response within seven days, auto-delete?
I hardly ever see signatures from forum members (I am not specifically talking about MusicBee here) that I find interesting or useful.But there are some that serve a good purpose. And help cut down on needless questions.
Most are plain annoying, and I wouldn't oppose to having the option removed completely.
But there are some that serve a good purpose. And help cut down on needless questions.
You are probably talking about yours and psychoadepts?Do you know anyone else with a sig that's helpful and kind? :-)
But the ones that normal users use are in 99% of the cases an attempt to be witty or funny, a line that my grandmother has on a tile above the fireplace, or some 'bragging list' about stuff they own.Not at all. Your last example is the one the irks me the most. If you're going to provide your version, keep it current.
Or they mention software versions they are using, but forget to update their sig when they update the software.
Am I forgetting some other common examples of wasting that space?
Again, I am not targeting the MusicBee forum here.I see them just about everywhere I go. And I feel the same way about them as you do.
It's a general observation on signatures and their—usually lack of—practical benefit.
I believe MusicBee's community is already quite formidable in respect to answering questions from users posted on the forum. But it occurs to me that for whatever reason, answers are usually coming from a quite select group of 'usual suspects' forum members. I have a suggestion that may perhaps improve on this a bit. As other contributing members probably also do, once in a while I check the 'Questions' board to see if there are questions with zero replies that I may perhaps have something to contribute to. Perhaps adding a button to the 'Questions' board on the forum front page would trigger more users to take a look and contribute with their knowledge and answers? (https://i.imgur.com/IwCeqdJ.png)
I was afraid of that. My first idea was to throw the basic idea in the open to see if it would get any support. If so, indeed a second phase would to see if there could be not only a mechanism to display questions with zero replies, but also allow to flag 'solved' questions. Thanks for your crazy fast response and explanation, and thanks for nipping it in the bud ;-)
Just a thought: when viewing and sorting the forum on recent posts, obviously the posts gets sorted on date of creation. Would it be possible (a good idea?) if they would get sorted on latest edit date? (if edits to the post where made o.c.) Currently it's easy to miss it when somebody made an edit to an existing post, and this could make that a little easier.Not aware of such inbuilt functions, but i might be wrong, it's been some time since i worked with smf.
Thanks for the fast reply and looking into it AvikB.✌️🙂
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I just realized that the front page still says Groove Music Support. Not that anybody seems to be getting their hopes up about it, but maybe that should be updated?
Oi AvikB, Once in a while the question pops up on the forum: 'what skins are those shown on the main page?' Perhaps a small liner note naming the skin used beneath those screenshots could be helpful? edit: Hm, it's over 10 minutes now and still no reply. I hope you are well? ;-) edit2: 30 minutes and I am getting worried. Could somebody call someone?
Oi AvikB, Once in a while the question pops up on the forum: 'what skins are those shown on the main page?' Perhaps a small liner note naming the skin used beneath those screenshots could be helpful? edit: Hm, it's over 10 minutes now and still no reply. I hope you are well? ;-) edit2: 30 minutes and I am getting worried. Could somebody call someone?
I am fine 8)
was just busy with stuff.
hmm thats a good idea, i will add an caption.
This is not directly related to the website design, but more of a forum issue.
Of late (perhaps the past couple of weeks) notifications of new posts are reaching me about a day late. I used to receive email notifications within a few hours of the related post being ... errr ... posted.
I've been thinking it's only me and my ISP, but a) no other emails are arriving late, and b) I noticed today a user made reference to not having received a notification yet (to a post I noticed yesterday.)
This is not directly related to the website design, but more of a forum issue.
Of late (perhaps the past couple of weeks) notifications of new posts are reaching me about a day late. I used to receive email notifications within a few hours of the related post being ... errr ... posted.
I've been thinking it's only me and my ISP, but a) no other emails are arriving late, and b) I noticed today a user made reference to not having received a notification yet (to a post I noticed yesterday.)
It's not just you phred, and the notification lag seems to be getting worse.
Steven posted a reply on the forum at 28/07/2020, 3:22 pm (local time), the notification finally arrived in my inbox 30/07/2020 8:36 am.
I know this has been brought up before but don't know if anything was decided: is the OP able to delete an entire thread, even if it has replies? Just noticed this happened today in Questions where somebody asked about album name metadata in streams, Steven responded asking for a URL of a stream sending this data, and I posted a couple of examples of them. About 30 minutes later the whole thread disappeared.Yeah that annoyed me as well. Its very inconsiderate of OP to do that. It is possible to disable users from deleting posts which I recall I did enable for a while but people complained
edit:
i see there is a separate permission for removing a topic as opposed to deleting your own post, so i have disabled removing topics
Of late (perhaps the past couple of weeks) notifications of new posts are reaching me about a day late. I used to receive email notifications within a few hours of the related post being ... errr ... posted.hopefully its resolved now
hopefully its resolved nowThanks.
Hey AvikB, This is something that might have been asked and answered before, and/or perhaps it just isn't worth the effort, but it itched my OCD again a bit this week: The font forCodeis very large, and very bold.
Personally I don't see much purpose in that.
Perhaps make it a bit smaller so that it matches readability with the rest of the forum page a bit better, and so that a larger part of the code is visible in the code panel?
The actual code in the panel. (although the title bar could perhaps also be a little bit less loud) And this is for you: (https://i.imgur.com/4mI84gM.jpeg) (Have it stitched on your jacked, or tattooed on your arm?)
yeah the code font could be a little smaller i suppose. I will do something about it.
It should be fine since i will match the font size of the code to the forum's default text size. Also remove the nasty white border that is bugging me for 4 year. :-Xyeah the code font could be a little smaller i suppose. I will do something about it.Great! But perhaps wait a couple of days to see if maybe other members disagree?
Also remove the nasty white border that is bugging me for 4 year. :-X
Also remove the nasty white border that is bugging me for 4 year. :-XThe white border around the code panel when using the dark theme? Yes, it is a bit bright, but having a border there is useful I think? Are you thinking of making it grey? Or perhaps the same colour as the code title bar? Could be nice.
Thanks for bringing this up, hiccup. I think it will be more visually appealing.
Thanks for bringing this up, hiccup. I think it will be more visually appealing.
Yes, and it is functional, since you will see much more of the code since much less (or nothing) will get broken up.
@The Minister of Quick Response:
Another thought popped up in my head:
Is it doable to get the code panel in a post to be dragable to a larger size?
(https://i.imgur.com/LBIR7zT.png)
you mean like this:
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you mean like this: ...Yep.
ok, i will sent this update to steven. Cheers. 8)
ok, i will sent this update to steven. Cheers. 8)
Ah! What an improvement!Thanks AvikB. Looks nice.
But now isn't that white copy icon burning holes in your eyeballs? ;-)
When it's burned into your retina, you will see a 'copy to clipboard' icon on every dark surface you look at.
(hm, maybe a useful function when we turn into cyborgs, I am going to patent it right now)
But now isn't that white copy icon burning holes in your eyeballs? ;-) When it's burned into your retina, you will see a 'copy to clipboard' icon on every dark surface you look at. (hm, maybe a useful function when we turn into cyborgs, I am going to patent it right now)I noticed that the light theme still has the larger font? (not important to me, I never use light, but I thought to mention it) P.S. I could try and supply a new copy-to-clipboard icon if you would be interested: (https://i.imgur.com/R4hiyCW.png)
as for copy icon i like the white icon to make it more contrast-y. But if more user request non white-ish icon then i will do something about it. ;)
as for copy icon i like the white icon to make it more contrast-y. But if more user request non white-ish icon then i will do something about it. ;)I mainly mentioned the icon because you expressed some serious dislike for bright white in the dark theme. (and because I think the current icon is slightly ugly) But there are certainly more sensible things to spend time on...
Also fixed an bug where the pre tag is rendered with white bg and text, somehow it got unreported. ::)
QuoteAlso fixed an bug where the pre tag is rendered with white bg and text, somehow it got unreported. ::)
Just curious, what is this? What is a pre tag?
This is a pre tag
(https://i.imgur.com/2NvyjaN.png) That looks pretty unreadable to me... Makes me wonder how it looked before you fixed it ;-) A colour formatting more similar to {code} would look a lot better I think?
actually that is how it looked before fix, it seems your browser is caching. clear the cache.
actually that is how it looked before fix, it seems your browser is caching. clear the cache.I cleared the cache, site preferences, offline data, restarted, etc. It stays light grey text on white. (Firefox 83.0)
PRESS Ctrl + F5 and see if that works, it looks fine here
PRESS Ctrl + F5 and see if that works, it looks fine hereNope, that doesn't make a difference either. And it would have surprised me if it had, since I already tried clearing everything using this panel: Never mind, I wasn't even aware of this pre function before you mentioned it. (and I am not going to test further, it's quite annoying loosing preferences for other websites and having to confirm all sorts of preferences again)
(and I am not going to test further, it's quite annoying loosing preferences for other websites and having to confirm all sorts of preferences again)
Private or incognito windows are great for this. Or use a new/guest profile.Are you using Firefox also?
No, I'm using Vivaldi
Indeed looks clean and simple to my OCD head...I don't think that is a realistic option at the moment.
But how about if the SEARCH option was greatly improved?
Drilling down through forum-boards, sub-boards and child-boards, the newbie OP needs to know terminology and buzzwords to get to the appropriate help section...
Indeed looks clean and simple to my OCD head... But how about if the SEARCH option was greatly improved? Drilling down through forum-boards, sub-boards and child-boards, the newbie OP needs to know terminology and buzzwords to get to the appropriate help section... Freddy
Indeed looks clean and simple to my OCD head...I don't think that is a realistic option at the moment.
But how about if the SEARCH option was greatly improved?
The forum 'engine' (SMF) is not the most modern or sophisticated, and it is already a marvel how well it works thanks to AvikB's work and talent.
I believe a rather big SMF update is planned for sometime next year. Perhaps that update will bring some desired improvements on things like 'search', adding a screenshot to a post, etc. Who knows...QuoteDrilling down through forum-boards, sub-boards and child-boards, the newbie OP needs to know terminology and buzzwords to get to the appropriate help section...
I strongly believe that a good structure using child boards is much more preferable compared to having one enormous stewing pot containing dozens and dozens of mixed topics, but having a good search machine available to find something.
As for changing forum board structure, it should be doable in the forum admin board, but you need to speak with other moderators and steven.
I am pretty sure they will be reading this and will voice it if they have different opinions or alternative suggestions ;-)I am and I will.
Another request/observation. When creating a weblink, I noticed that trying to colour format it to make it stick out a bit better didn't work. But then I saw that when I switch to light theme, the link will be blue (as people are probably used to) So the dark theme seems to have that missing at the moment? (in case you have to decide on a colour manually, something like #31B1F9 looks nice on my screen) A testing post (temporarily) to give an impression on what I am talking about: https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=33740.0
Ok, nevermind the ul tag is blacklisted. I have to see how to allow it.(I read what you wrote before the edit too):
Ok, nevermind the ul tag is blacklisted. I have to see how to allow it.(I read what you wrote before the edit too): To be clear, I am not asking this for myself alone. While it might be interesting and useful for me to know of some less obvious way to achieve this, for this I think it is good if formatting options such as the ones I described would be easier available for more forum members. Am I on a wrong track thinking that SMF allows for it but it just hasn't been enabled?
Yes SMF does support it. It is disabled, but i am not sure if it is in the admin panel or the editor mod panel. I have to check it and let you know.Great, no hurries at all.
Could the 'As a conversation' mode be enabled? I believe it would be very convenient the replies to pms to be grouped as conversation.if its not working i wont be able to help
Most importantly, why do I only have 1 block? It makes me feel a bit disrespected ;-)
You asked what I've thought but didn't want to be misinterpreted as being "arrogant" :-[ . Thanks! Now that the cat's out of the bag, it WOULD be nice if the Editor block showed up in a different color than yellow to separate it from either a "newbie" indicator or a Global Moderator--red, green, etc.
I thought the number of blocks were relative to the number of posts. But that doesn't appear to be the case. So I'll answer that with an I don't know.Maybe the block count is as in the military?
About 'Editor'. Shouldn't that be considered a failed experiment by now?
ItSure, but a wider support/understanding was lacking.sort ofis, actually.. But our intentions were pure (!).
Hm, that makes great sense. Balance in the universe was restored.Happy to be of service.
No harm done, but it may be good to revert changes made to the forum and to the new 'Editor' status.I'd leave it as is since someone(s) may get ambitious and pick this up.
(https://i.imgur.com/JUgQY7r.png)
I think I figured it out.Hmmm ... I'm not so sure I buy that. Why would there be a different number of boxes? If the "feature" is disabled, and the boxes are placeholders, then the number of boxes for each user would (should) be the same.
The boxes are probably placeholders for indicators that show links the user has made available for e.g. communication:
These icons are probably just not activated or available on our forum for some reason.
I'm not so sure I buy that. Why would there be a different number of boxes? If the "feature" is disabled, and the boxes are placeholders, then the number of boxes for each user would (should) be the same.(https://i.imgur.com/F9vGdfa.png)
Maybe I'm being too simplistic here, but if we're talking about why certain number of boxes appear, my understanding has always been that they change to a fixed amount when a user's membership category changes, which happens when they have made a certain amount of posts.I think that's why the question came up, because apparently not:
I think that's why the question came up, because apparently not…You also only have one star.
I know the three Editors ended up with one box when the "Editor" status got added--my take on that is that no real "posting category" exists at this point for that status so we all got knocked down to a default. My own prefs are that we get all our boxes back, haha..You didn't seem to 'know that' when you posted less then an hour ago ;-)
Maybe it starts at 5 and when you get to 0 you're banned for life? :DOr perhaps some evil mod is taking away stars (blocks) when he doesn't like somebody.
And, then how do you explain my screenshot two posts back?
44 posts get 2 stars, 29 posts get 5 stars.
I will likely get rid of the Editor and FAQ topic unless anyone thinks its worth continuing with itI'd find it hard to disagree with you on this. It was a noble attempt, but I think we couldn't reach a consensus on the best way to populate it.
(https://i.imgur.com/k1VfdOh.jpg) I got curious about something that I just noticed: what do the blue and yellow blocks, and their count mean? Most importantly, why do I only have 1 block? It makes me feel a bit disrespected ;-) (https://i.imgur.com/lytiy1R.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BDLGRV8.png)Look out the window more often?
😶 didn't recieve any notifications for this. 😑
🤣(https://i.imgur.com/BDLGRV8.png) 😶 didn't recieve any notifications for this. 😑Look out the window more often?
I'm wondering why recently spam posts are being dealt with by leaving them in the threads for a while empty labeled "spam post/user banned" or similar, instead of just deleting the post altogether after they are reported? A bit "untidy" looking. They seem to vanish eventually though.This is being done because someone who shall remain nameless deleted an entire thread instead of just the spam post within the thread. This happened twice recently. If it's a new thread with only one post in it, then the thread can't be deleted. If it's a 'reply' post to an existing thread, the offending spam can be removed.
OK phred thanks for the info!
This is being done because someone who shall remain nameless deleted an entire thread instead of just the spam post within the thread. This happened twice recently.
This is being done because someone who shall remain nameless deleted an entire thread instead of just the spam post within the thread.To me it seems the core issue is not that an admin accidentally deleted more than he intended (who hasn't done that, ever?), but that MusicBee's forum engine doesn't have something in place to undo and restore such a perfectly understandable human error.
This is being done because someone who shall remain nameless deleted an entire thread instead of just the spam post within the thread.To me it seems the core issue is not that an admin accidentally deleted more than he intended (who hasn't done that, ever?), but that MusicBee's forum engine doesn't have something in place to undo and restore such a perfectly understandable human error. Windows has had a recycle bin since 1894. (or maybe a little bit later, I'm not completely sure) Doesn't SMF have some recycle bin feature for deleted posts/threads? If the experts say 'no', so be it. But a quick and lazy google search led me to this: https://www.smfsupport.com/support/guides-and-tutorials/accidentally-deleted-member%27s-post-is-there-someplacesomehow-to-recover-it/ Perhaps it contains some useful information that could prevent issues like these and make it less of a walking on thin ice exercise to manage and delete spam posts. edit: Oops, forgot this: (https://i.imgur.com/ZoZfNRX.png)
Addressed to 'you know who': (https://i.imgur.com/hRXBKi0.png) Not important, not a big issue, but it did surprise me, and it prohibited me to respond to a certain pm.oh no 😐😐. It seems like this limit is set via the admin panel 😅
Addressed to 'you know who': (https://i.imgur.com/hRXBKi0.png) Not important, not a big issue, but it did surprise me, and it prohibited me to respond to a certain pm.'you know who' will be waiting for a day for your response 😎😉😆
That restriction is probably wise.Are you planning an insurrection?
It could prevent subversive deliberations from reactionaries that plot together to bring the forum down.
(I know nothing)
(https://media.tenor.com/images/5d7a360ed960c77a41c77cc93864387d/tenor.gif)Ah, thanks.
😂 One day maybe 😎 it's getting late here, going to get done sleep.That restriction is probably wise. It could prevent subversive deliberations from reactionaries that plot together to bring the forum down. (I know nothing)Are you planning an insurrection?
Are you planning an insurrection?I'll answer that by means of a PM.
SMF 2.1 was released: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?P=7820044le1a2gbvukk6v51ev1k;topic=580585.msg4110098#msg4110098 There seem to be a lot of useful improvements and additions. One of those could be 'drag & drop attachments'. If that means a user can drag a screenshot to a post it would make life easier for a lot of users. (perhaps too easy? ;-)this will break everything. :'( Need to redo the whole forum theme. I am also busy with my game dev stuff, need lots of free time to rewrite the theme.
Need to redo the whole forum theme.That's bad.
also for drag and drop attachments, it will use the server disk space instead of third party hosting like imgur.Ah yes, that's also bad.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZoZfNRX.png) https://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=36530.0🙌
@AvikB, could you make mb version list on add-on submitting page customizable by Steven. at the moment, there is only mb version "3" available. it's completely insufficient info for users. there must be at least minor mb versions: 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4, etc. new mb versions will be available later, that's why the list of mb versions must be customizable by admin.You forgot the AvikBeeSign:
You forgot the AvikBeeSign:Hmm, that didn't work either.
I couldn't send a PM because computer said no and told me: "You have exceeded the limit of 5 personal messages per hour."yes - its to make it harder for spammers who post messages to users. If its a problem i can increase it
Is this something new?
I wasn't aware that was a thing. I have never received a spam message.I couldn't send a PM because computer said no and told me: "You have exceeded the limit of 5 personal messages per hour."yes - its to make it harder for spammers who post messages to users. If its a problem i can increase it
Is this something new?
is anybody else viewing text "New" instead of new-icon (it's happening for me since yesterday)?Confirmed. I'm thinking SMF ran an update. I'm sure no one from MB (Steven, AvikB) made the change.
ok, good to know that i'm not alone. it's happened for me, when had changed my forum profile settings. I was guessing if this was the cause.is anybody else viewing text "New" instead of new-icon (it's happening for me since yesterday)?Confirmed. I'm thinking SMF ran an update. I'm sure no one from MB (Steven, AvikB) made the change.
In the meantime I'm trying to recover from a major spam attack that jammed 500+ posts into the General Discussion section. I've alerted Steven as I don't have a way to remove them. The user has been banned while it was still online and posting another message.yeah, i was very impressed. never have seen so massive spam attack.
yeah, i was very impressed. never have seen so massive spam attack.They're all gone now. Steven to the rescue.
They're all gone now.Not even one left?
Not even one left?Not a one is left anywhere. I didn't think to save or screenshot one. Each one (of the few that I looked at) was slightly different and more in code (or a language not detectable by me.) The only thing I recognized were multiple links to Google.
What fantastic offer are we missing out on? It must have been a very important one?
Did you keep it for yourself?
While I love the fact that MusicBee's forum is treating new members as adults (contrary to most other fora that I know), it's surprising that a new member is allowed to create 500+ posts in it's first day on the job.Steven thought there was a limit of x number of posts per hour, but if there is, this bot got around it somehow.
Steven thought there was a limit of x number of posts per hour, but if there is, this bot got around it somehow.There is a restriction on the amount of PMs a member is allowed to send to another member within a certain timespan.
i kept it accidentally (in imtranslator), was curious what may be so important to duplicate message every couple of seconds 500 times, this is an example:They're all gone now.Not even one left?
What fantastic offer are we missing out on? It must have been a very important one?
Did you keep it for yourself?
is anybody else viewing text "New" instead of new-icon (it's happening for me since yesterday)?
(https://i.imgur.com/3R5y3Zq.png)
Confirmed. I'm thinking SMF ran an update. I'm sure no one from MB (Steven, AvikB) made the change.
There is a restriction on the amount of PMs a member is allowed to send to another member within a certain timespan.Yes, the discussion of the number of PMs allowable is in this thread on the previous page (reply #1801).
I am not aware of a limitation on the amount of forum post for anyone.
these messages were in korean, some ads of gambling.Hmmm ... that's not what I saw, unless this is your translated version. What I saw was mostly ASCII characters.
Would it be possible to add a Google search button (pre-populated with site:getmusicbee.com/forum/ next to the "Search something…" field?+1000
Or is it perhaps something off with my system? It seems weird that nobody ever noticed or reported this?I can reassure you: the fault is not on your system's side. The light grey is indeed rather hard to read with the light theme, but I've never bothered to add the topic to the wishlist.
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Steven thought there was a limit of x number of posts per hour, but if there is, this bot got around it somehow.
There is a restriction on the amount of PMs a member is allowed to send to another member within a certain timespan.
I am not aware of a limitation on the amount of forum post for anyone.
But I am certainly not advocating there should be one.
(except maybe for a new member creating 500+ posts in a couple of hours ;-)
Our forum engine (SMF 2.0) might just not have such a refined feature though.
So maybe it wouldn't be difficult to add something like this to the forum pages?This would be a great alternative to SMF's built-in forum search.
It might be some sort of improvement?
This would be a great alternative to SMF's built-in forum search.For the mean time, feel free to add something like this to your sig:
[url=https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=426af386625354430#gsc.tab=0]Google search MusicBee forum[/url]
Great idea. I'll have to see how much room I have left in the signature.CodeI'll only have 10¢ per click please?[url=https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=426af386625354430#gsc.tab=0]Google search MusicBee forum[/url]
I have forwarded your payment request to Jeff Bezos to handle personally. You should be hearing from him directly.Please don't take me for a fool.
Jeff is at my dinner table right now, and he says you should contact Sundar.I hope Jeff is picking up your dinner tab.
I won't be cheated out of this one!
Sundar says I should forward the payment request to Elon. You'll need to be a verified user in order to see his reply.O.k. As it happens I am having a chessboxing match with Elon coming Sunday, so I trust everything will get settled then.
Thanks for lobbying!Elon asked me to tell you that it's been a business doing pleasure with you.
Elon asked me to tell you that it's been a business doing pleasure with you.I'm glad to hear he was impressed.
Great idea. I'll have to see how much room I have left in the signature.Nice.
Great idea. I'll have to see how much room I have left in the signature.CodeI'll only have 10¢ per click please?[url=https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=426af386625354430#gsc.tab=0]Google search MusicBee forum[/url]
I have forwarded your payment request to Jeff Bezos to handle personally. You should be hearing from him directly.
phred, is it possible to stick "forum google search" topic at the top of every forum board?Good idea, boroda, but I think Avikb or Steven would have the ability to do that. -If- it can be done at all.
Yes, but AvikB is absent on the forum for a long time, nd Steven (i'm afraid) can't modify SMF to place google search in the forum header (instead of sticking "google search" topic).AvikB was last on the forum in early March. But you're right, he's not here often enough to see website requests on a timely basis. And to at least offer his opinion on whether or not something could be done.
Does the forum package have the capability of tagging threads with topics?I would guess that it can't based on a quick look at the Simple Machines website (https://www.simplemachines.org/). It's not the easiest website to navigate, but feel free to take a look. The MB forum is running on v1.9.5 and the current is v2.1.4. If you can find a change log, or even a current features list, you've put more time into it than I have.
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i set the limit to 25000 in case you need to use thatI hate to ask again, but…
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@karbock:
Do you share this observation, and if so, do you agree that 50.000 would be good?
i have changed it to 50,000 charsThanks, Steven!
i have changed it to 50,000 charsGreat, thank you for the very fast action.
I'm not sure about all the categories that exist between newbie and hero, but it might be good to think of something else, and at least get rid of 'hero'?I'm pretty sure neither Steven nor AvikB have any say/control over this. I think the thresholds for the various levels are built in by SMF.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:MembergroupsI'm not sure about all the categories that exist between newbie and hero, but it might be good to think of something else, and at least get rid of 'hero'?I'm pretty sure neither Steven nor AvikB have any say/control over this. I think the thresholds for the various levels are built in by SMF.
https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/SMF2.0:MembergroupsNice find.
now if you make 100,000 posts you can become a Hero!Let's
now if you make 100,000 posts you can become a Hero!Thanks Steven. Now you only have 66,000 to go.
+1 to at least changing "hero member" to something else. Perhaps "prolific member"?I came across 'veteran' on another forum.
I came across 'veteran' on another forum.+1
Somewhat in hindsight now, but perhaps that would have been a better option?
In supporting my own suggestion...I came across 'veteran' on another forum.+1
Somewhat in hindsight now, but perhaps that would have been a better option?