I Will try some work with the best interface at moment...how you can see here:The Spotify player is very nice, but in my concept I also tried to make a more touch-friendly interface, as Microsoft is really pushing hard for this (Surface, Touch enabled computers, universal apps...). I think it's still mostly a point&click interface, but it's more usable with touch input, thanks to bigger margins between elements.
I will try to create a skin for bee... if in the future, Bee use the Tags to create dynamics album-cover, how you see in the image showing the related artist.
(This is a Web player!!) unfortunately
https://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/interf-1-jpg--2
What a pack of great ideas! Especially delighted to see the horizontal navigator. As in my proposal (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14253.0), those nodes could be replaced with icons if there are many filters.Yes, and the + at the end of the list should open a "new tab" or a drop down menu with all available "tabs": music browser / genre browser / artist browser / audiobooks / podcasts / visualization / autodj / custom filters / stores, etc...
One of the major points in the proposal seems to be how to conceptualize the 2nd & 3rd screenshots.Yes, I would even use it when you click on an artist on the left thumbnail browser (and browsing the library by Artists in the main panel)
The 2nd one looks like the current playing track panel, and 3rd one is details tab of the panel. I like the ideas proposed here. "Artist details" panel doesn't have to be always linked to playing track. Something like "Explore Artist" context menu command could be added to any artists in the program that will open "Artist details" panel in a separate tab.
Then the user could explore a particular artist and its local collection in depth (including last.fm plugins like stats and similar artists).The "Album and Stats" view from the second image may be another main window layout, as "albums", "album and tracks" and "track details". Maybe "albums with customizable sidebar", with a sidebar that could display most played tracks, best rated tracks, related artists, etc.
Then do we still need playing track panel? It could remain as is along with artist details panel, or could be removed except its details tab given to now playing node as proposed.The third image is just a "embedded theater view" panel. I think it's something interesting to have, but maybe it shouldn't be one of the default items in the horizontal navigator.
The "Album and Stats" view from the second image may be another main window layout, as "albums", "album and tracks" and "track details". Maybe "albums with customizable sidebar", with a sidebar that could display most played tracks, best rated tracks, related artists, etc.
However I think it will be really hard to integrate with the existing MusicBee layout options without complicating/ compromising the configuration options and MusicBee itself. Also I imagine many existing skins wont work well with it.
So I see three realistic ways to tackle this
1a. just make it a Compact player thing but maybe incorporate some aspects in the main player;
1b. just incorporate some aspects in the main player;
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done
I am genuinely impressed by this and plan to do something for the next MB series.
However I think it will be really hard to integrate with the existing MusicBee layout options without complicating/ compromising the configuration options and MusicBee itself. Also I imagine many existing skins wont work well with it.
So I see three realistic ways to tackle this
1a. just make it a Compact player thing but maybe incorporate some aspects in the main player;
1b. just incorporate some aspects in the main player;
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done
Those are my initial thoughts.
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done
How would the LH navigation panel look/work?This is my interpretation of the proposal so far:
What about track details and lyrics in the RH panel?
What appearance would the standard 'Track Details' and 'Album and Track' views take?
I have a question though. Can you confirm "Music" "Soundtracks" etc are tabs (and not a predefined set of all the choices that might have been found in the left navigator)? And clicking +, how to you see the user selecting what they want to be displayed in the tab? (perhaps the main panel fills with all the choices in a grid such as: Music, AudioBooks, Podcasts, Playlists etc for the user to choose)Maybe "Music", "Soundtracks", etc should be filtered Music Library tabs.
I like having the left panel in first screenshot because i can imagine when Playlists is selected all the playlists display there or if Computer is selected all the computer folders display without having a special panel opening like in iTunes12 does for playlists
Regarding the fourth "artist view" idea, one way would be to separate the current group by settings in artwork view to album and all sorts of artists. Then "artwork view" will be always grouped by square album picture, while "artist view" could be grouped by (album) artist and (sort) composer with round artist picture. If you click on an artist picture, then it would open up the 2nd image of the proposal.My idea was something like this:
DEVICES would auto-open as a tab but i need to think some more about that one.That's probably one of the hardest parts to resolve
- for the right panel I see the first screenshot as a new view "Playing Album v". You could also choose "Playing Tracks v" which is similar to now where it would show the now playing list and have one panel beneath that has a button in the same style as "Playing Album v" in the screenshot with the choices: "Lyrics v"/ "Track Details v"/ "Artwork v". In addition to "Playing Album v" and "Playing Tracks v", there would also be "Selected Tracks v" which would show the selected tracks where the now playing list shows and the artwork/ lyrics/ track details for the selected tracks@_@
So I hope that development of MusicBee will not go in that direction where it is very important that it looks contemporary enough, and trying to please both PC and tablet users somewhere in the middle.Most of the changes are not drastic, I think.
On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.
So what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.
Any effort in this area might better be spend on developments for tablet (and possibly smartphone).
(and probably would also bring you a shitload of well-deserved £ when done right)
I know it's just a concept but where can I find a skin that looks like this?Yes, the icons are also a part of the concept :P and based on the newest builds of MS apps for Windows 10.
I can't find modern v2 anywhere. Was the icon part of the concept as well? Cause it's so sexy ;D
What is confusing me personally a little bit is that I am not sure if this topic is about creating some general Windows 10 look and feel so MusicBee will mainly look and feel 'contemporary' and 'modern' enough, or that this is about intrinsic platform changes that Windows 10 will be bringing soon.
But MusicBee isnt available on a mobile device and most likely never will be.I'm assuming that is still how it is and it's more about the current limitations of the UI in terms of being touch-friendly and adaptability to different screen sizes and dpi depths.
- there would be no left navigator; instead you would use tabs (MUSIC PLAYLISTS NOW PLAYING etc in the first screenshot). On opening a new tab, there would be a grid of choices to select what category you want to view
..but in my concept I also tried to make a more touch-friendly interface, as Microsoft is really pushing hard for this (Surface, Touch enabled computers, universal apps...). I think it's still mostly a point&click interface, but it's more usable with touch input, thanks to bigger margins between elements.
On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.YES! What he said.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.
So what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.+1
My idea was something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/rmrnynN.png)
Should be easy, just a inserting a header whenever the user is viewing a single Artist. The content panel doesn't even need changes :)
Also, a new view (albums + sidebar) could work for all the library, not just artists.
Note: Maybe the Artist Header should be smaller?
Currently, you can view a single artist by:My idea was something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/rmrnynN.png)
Should be easy, just a inserting a header whenever the user is viewing a single Artist. The content panel doesn't even need changes :)
Also, a new view (albums + sidebar) could work for all the library, not just artists.
Note: Maybe the Artist Header should be smaller?
Yes, that's how I understood. But how can the user "view a single artist"? It would require some sort of artist selector to browse all available artists and select one. That's why I suggested splitting the current artwork view into two separate views. Also, the view won't fit to any categories other than artist as all those web links are for exploring a particular artist.
- using ALL CAPS is a bad idea (maybe it has its use on tiny displays - not here)i plan to make this a skin setting as i think its needed for the type of skin endeavour1934 created where everything blends in
Latest build (9926) & screenshots of future builds have the app title aligned to the left.
- as this seems to be also about preparing for Windows10, the most recent builds of the Win10 TP have the app/page name in the center of the panel. Freeing the menu bar from association with the MusicBee title by adding a separate icon would seem to make sense.
Latest build (9926) & screenshots of future builds have the app title aligned to the left.
And about the bar having a lot of tabs open:
-There could be an option that makes tabs switch to "icon only" mode instead of truncating names.
-Scrolling could work, it is the most popular option on browsers.
-The ">" arrow with hidden tabs is also a good idea. But instead of hiding them after a specified number, maybe it could show up tabs until 70% (for example) of the bar is filled, which would work better for big displays.
The bar would fill with tabs until a % of available space (depending on screen size) was used.
- only a set number of tabs appear depending on available area - extra tabs can be accessed by '>' arrow
Also, what happens when you click the ">" button? move them? show another set of tabs? Show a drop-down menu with the rest of the tabs?
I'm not a fan of the disconnected "button" tabs
- the right panel would still support pretty much the same options as today, except "Playing Tracks v" would toggle between "Playing Album v" (a new view that only shows the playing album with a small picture and some album info)) and "Selected Tracks v" where the now playing list would show the selected files and the rest of the panel based on those selected tracks
-There could be an option that makes tabs switch to "icon only" mode instead of truncating names.
if implemented, i think that would be a skin setting as it might suit some styles of skin
- remove the tabs attachment to the panel
- If the selected node becomes an open tab, then it means MB would no longer support multi-tab feature. You can always have only a single tab open and can't have multiple tabs open for the same node. It wouldn't matter much to me, but don't know how everyone else feels about it.no, it would still allow Playlists or other categories to be added multiple times. I was thinking of changing the tab header to the active playlist once multiple Playlist tabs were added but perhaps it can do it even for one Playlists tab
i will probably default to a standard set of tabs on first usage.
I imagine one way to implement it would be to have a new view "Artist v" thats included in the "Tracks v", "Album and Tracks v", "Albums v" button but only available in the context when an artist is selected in the left panel and perhaps available as a right click option in various places an artist is in context eg. right clicking on an artist in the "Tracks" view.
I am looking at the Artist Explorer (2nd screenshot in the proposal). I like all the elements it shows and i would also add in somethingin any of the shots you could replace the "store" links with "XBox Music".
that hooks into the Xbox Music plugin to allow a user to browse albums or tracks from the artist that they dont have in their library (see the Music Explorer in the current MB version and click on an artist to see what i mean)
On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.YES! What he said.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.
I use MB on my desktop for "work" (managing my music collection) and my devices for listening.QuoteSo what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.+1
Excessive space between items in a list...not so good if you're trying to minimize scrolling...maybe 1x, 1.5x, 2x vertical spacing options?
@redwing, i agree the Artists layout should not be a selectable view - however i dont agree that clicking an Artist in the Artists left panel should open it as that would be different from the normal/ expected filtering behavior of that panel. Instead i plan to have it open if the user clicks on the artist text anywhere in the main panel for any view
Just a question regarding skinning. Will there be a new set of skin elements for this update, or how is that going to work?its too early to say - i am still just planning/ discussing what will be done to feel comfortable there is reasonable agreement before going into the detail. My feeling at this point is it can probably work with existing skins but there will be new elements needed and older skins probably wont work well without the new elements
- the left side of the main panel (artists in the first screenshot) could have Artists/ Albums/ Genres/ etc and also the Library Explorer as selectable where it says "Album Artists v", except when PLAYLISTS is active then the left panel would show the playlists; COMPUTER is active then it would show the folders; DEVICES would auto-open as a tab but i need to think some more about that one.and completely removing the left navigation panel is a better idea than having some half-way between hybrid.
- also optionally the left panel could still allow a picture (artist, album cover etc) down the bottom left and perhaps the now playing list could also be optionally docked on the bottom left as well
and completely removing the left navigation panel is a better idea than having some half-way between hybrid.what has been discussed from the initial proposal is not changing and will be the default for new users. However i can imagine the reaction if the left navigator is removed completely as it does provide useful functionality to some people (I just dont think the average user needs it). So it will still be available when unhidden. I'm probably just going to leave its functionality exactly as today, including having playlists/ computer folders expand inside the left navigator if its visible)
I'm probably just going to leave its functionality exactly as today, including having playlists/ computer folders expand inside the left navigator if its visible
i think the current left navigator panel is used more than i expected. So what i plan to do is leave in the left navigator functionality but by default it will be closed with the changes described before stll applying eg. if the left navigator is closed then the playlists or computer folders will display in the left panel (where Artists v is in the screenshot). If the user chooses to have the left Navigator open or auto-open then it will be similar to the current left navigator, except simplified and more in the same style as the rest of the window and the individual Playlists or Computer folders display where "Artists v" isWhile I'm not adverse to most of the changes proposed, I really use the left navigation panel quite a lot. Your proposal to leave it available has really made me happy about the upcoming changes.
While I'm not adverse to most of the changes proposed, I really use the left navigation panel quite a lot. Your proposal to leave it available has really made me happy about the upcoming changes.
I'm probably just going to leave its functionality exactly as today, including having playlists/ computer folders expand inside the left navigator if its visible)Definitely +1!
I would only like to voice that I believe it would not be wise to follow a 'please everybody' path.
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?I don't think anything is broken.
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?hopefully it looks cleaner and for the new user, it will default to a much simpler layout. For existing users based on the discussions so far you will still have the same functionality as today. My expectation is the confusion that is quite often reported regarding "selected tracks" vs. "playing track" in the Now Playing panel will be eliminated. There will be improvement for artist navigation and a new album oriented view for the now playing panel. I anticipate being able to simply the layout options which again can be a challenge to some new users.
My expectation is the confusion that is quite often reported regarding "selected tracks" vs. "playing track" in the Now Playing panel will be eliminated.
- the right panel would still support pretty much the same options as today, except "Playing Tracks v" would toggle between "Playing Album v" (a new view that only shows the playing album with a small picture and some album info)) and "Selected Tracks v" where the now playing list would show the selected files and the rest of the panel based on those selected tracks
Not sure about this. Then if I choose "Selected Tracks v", can't I see now playing list? Why does that have to affect the content of now playing list instead of track info panel?
Are the player controls going to always be docked at the bottom or will they continue to be movable?it will still support the 4 player panel dock options
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?hopefully it looks cleaner and for the new user, it will default to a much simpler layout. For existing users based on the discussions so far you will still have the same functionality as today. My expectation is the confusion that is quite often reported regarding "selected tracks" vs. "playing track" in the Now Playing panel will be eliminated. There will be improvement for artist navigation and a new album oriented view for the now playing panel. I anticipate being able to simply the layout options which again can be a challenge to some new users.
Overall I hope it will be a cleaner and more obvious interface with some good new functional additions
I'm really liking the concept art, but I'm just afraid that Musicbee might make a turn towards more touch oriented interface. And seeing what happened with W8 and W8.1. I don't believe that that might be a good idea.
On one hand I don't mind the simpler interface, it'll be user friendly to new users who don't have experience or don't care and just wan't the player working. But us 'Veteran' MB users are used to the fact that we can modify MB to hell and back, everything (well close to everything) is customizeable.
I can't really see myself using the Artist thumbnail browser, as I already sort my tracks by the tracktitle instead of Artists name, it looks like a mess but I've been doing it the past 10y starting from WMP.
The left sidebar browser on the other hand is a must for me, as I have a few podcasts I like to listen to as well as some Radio stations. These could be combined to the tabs, but again I can't see myself using them too much.
These are my opinions on the matter and should be taken as such.
tl;dr: I'm on board this new design look, as long as the old customization options are still there.
can the tabs open also be different "music"? I have like 3 libraries. one video game music, one classical, and one of all others. in its current implementation, it would be cool if the "locked tabs" werent relative of the current active library. it would be awesome to switch libraries by just pinning the tab of the current library im looking at. currently, the music tab shows only the active library and you have to do the right-click switch library to activate the other library.
Re positioning panels - what about something along Visual Studio docking system: http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/visualstudio/WindowsLiveWriter/WPFinVisualStudio.Part5WindowManagement_CAB0/DockAdornments_thumb.png - you just drag panels and see how they would fit. Makes all positioning options unneeded.+1000 :D
Now...the rest of the window (left/main panel). The left navigator is really all about what to control on the main panel which is the tab page. Library, filters, playlists, library explorer, column browser--they are all about controlling the main panel (i.e. tab page). So what if the left panel actually was located on the left side of the tab page and only those applicable pieces were shown? For example, if the Auto DJ panel was shown, do you need to see column browser or library explorer, etc.--unless you wanted to change the tab to show something completely different.
If navigation wasn't always going to be in a separate LEFT panel regardless and separate of the current tab, it could then be controlled and displayed/hidden per tab.
Looks nice, but if I were to prefer bee78 after trying this out I can keep my old layout right?
Otherwise it should be available.
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc
There's no need to waste time making massive changes! :)
while the theme does look beautiful i rather the developer put more time into getting the UPNP working on MusicBee.
My only wish/request for a new version would be an option to have a fourth column on the right, to display lyrics on the full window height with MB controls also using the complete width (as in the mockup below).
http://i.imgur.com/JXzkp4F.png
This beautiful concept should turn into skin
This beautiful concept should turn into skin
I agree!!!!!
Yeah but also: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg89146#msg89146This beautiful concept should turn into skin
I agree!!!!!
Did you guys see this post a couple pages back? http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg91018#msg91018
A lot of the elements shown below are not implemented on MusicBee
Yeah but also: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg89146#msg89146This beautiful concept should turn into skin
I agree!!!!!
Did you guys see this post a couple pages back? http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg91018#msg91018QuoteA lot of the elements shown below are not implemented on MusicBee
More concepts. The icon bar on the left is the "left bar", and can be hidden/auto hidden
To me the only thing i would remove its that Ugly Musicbee beat bars
@endeavour1934, i also like the way you have done the left navigator.No problem, but let me finish the full set first. :P
If you are okay to send me the icons (Library ,, Computer and the playlist variations) i will incorporate them. They need to be in a form where the background is transparent so the foreground can be recoloured to the skin.
I am still some way off seriously looking at incorporating some of your ideas but hopefully by late june i will be in a position to do so
Why, oh why should every program try to win the Design awards or follow every M$ "invention" ?It's not about losing functionality, it's the opposite. Right now there are a lot of new Windows computers (laptops, convertibles, tablets) that have touch input and/or use HiDPI scaling because they have hi resolution displays, and they deserve some basic support.
Really, the most important thing is the functionality.
Mostly, the less "Design", the more "Functionality", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Mostly, the less "Wizards", the more "Flexibility", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Some example
- the Vuze/Azureus Torrent-program which also had in the past a "Design-Upgrade", but the die-hards still continue to use the "old technical" Azureus-UI.
- Music Label. Every time M$ decides to change the UI in Windows or Office, Music Label is reworked to align to it. Stupid, especially because other more important functionality never gets implemented despite many users requesting it.
- Foxit reader leaves the option to choose for the "standard" UI
So, please Steven, don't break MB, and leave the option open for the user to choose for the "old i.e. actual technical for some complex" UI.
Thanks for the great MB
Why, oh why should every program try to win the Design awards or follow every M$ "invention" ?
Really, the most important thing is the functionality.
Mostly, the less "Design", the more "Functionality", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Mostly, the less "Wizards", the more "Flexibility", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Some example
- the Vuze/Azureus Torrent-program which also had in the past a "Design-Upgrade", but the die-hards still continue to use the "old technical" Azureus-UI.
- Music Label. Every time M$ decides to change the UI in Windows or Office, Music Label is reworked to align to it. Stupid, especially because other more important functionality never gets implemented despite many users requesting it.
- Foxit reader leaves the option to choose for the "standard" UI
So, please Steven, don't break MB, and leave the option open for the user to choose for the "old i.e. actual technical for some complex" UI.
Thanks for the great MB
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.Well said!!
Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.
Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.
Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.
Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.
Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.
Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.
Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.
Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.
Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.
Indeed, well said, fully agree and at last a reply with "content"
I'm just missing one thing in it : it's not only a matter of "stripped features" but also preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.
The examples I see show the opposite.
Most of your message is about Windows, an those who dislike the 'changes' Microsoft have made to their OS since Win7. As it is
now some time since Win.8/Win 8.1 were launched, it seems the overwhelming majority of Microsoft users are still not convinced
by the 'changes' MS made to their OS. Win.8 was a disaster, Win.8.1 was not much better, and many are determined to stay with
Win.7, which still has the majority of users years after it was released (some are even still using Win.XP). So I wouldn't say Microsoft
is a good example for MB to follow. You even admit that yourself...
Indeed, well said, fully agree and at last a reply with "content"
I'm just missing one thing in it : it's not only a matter of "stripped features" but also preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.
The examples I see show the opposite.
But, as Steven said in this thread and others, close to no current functionality will be lost to the new UI enhancements.Most of your message is about Windows, an those who dislike the 'changes' Microsoft have made to their OS since Win7. As it is
now some time since Win.8/Win 8.1 were launched, it seems the overwhelming majority of Microsoft users are still not convinced
by the 'changes' MS made to their OS. Win.8 was a disaster, Win.8.1 was not much better, and many are determined to stay with
Win.7, which still has the majority of users years after it was released (some are even still using Win.XP). So I wouldn't say Microsoft
is a good example for MB to follow. You even admit that yourself...
Actually most of my message is about change, not Windows, and how users are all up in arms as soon as the smallest change occurs, and the fact people are misinformed and jump to conclusions. My reason for talking about this is that one may or may not like the concept in this thread, but #1. it's not like this is going to be the only skin for MB - if anything, this sparks a conversation regarding user wishes & helping Steven add new features to the skinning engine - and #2. this means MORE functionality, not LESS (with a few exceptions).
I won't be debating the merits of Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 here, it's neither the place to do so nor am I interested, but the most attractive feature of the Windows platform, for me, is that you can do whatever you want with it. You would think Linux would beat Windows in this regard, and it does to some extent, but the incredible variety of software, resources, user mods available for Windows lets the platform take the crown. The changes put forward in this thread won't all of a sudden strip MB of the vast number of options available to power users like it's been suggested by the post that sparked this part of the conversation, which was my point.
@wquatan, can you be more specific - perhaps an example
@Ulf, do you have any specific concerns for the proposal thats been discussed on the first pages?
preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.
I completely disagree that a complex program is preferable to a well-designed one. If you like Musicbee the way it is now, don't update, but I think what Steven is doing makes a lot of sense. Also, it makes me cringe every time I see someone write "M$". Do people still think that is somehow edgy or clever? Or should a company like Microsoft not have the goal of earning money?
the anticipation is driving me nuts...can't wait...go Steven goi am afraid its taking much longer than i was expecting so its still a couple of months away before a fully functioning beta version is available
v I know, "playlists" menu should have been selected...Which skins are you using in the pics?
I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.
Just to set the record straight - Steven is not developing a Windows 10 version of MusicBee. He is developing MusicBee Version 3.x. He is redesigning the GUI along with changing a lot of 'behind the scenes' operations, which in the long run, will make it easier for him add future enhancements.I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.
^^^^ This i can't for windows 10 version of MusicBee <3
Just to set the record straight - Steven is not developing a Windows 10 version of MusicBee. He is developing MusicBee Version 3.x. He is redesigning the GUI along with changing a lot of 'behind the scenes' operations, which in the long run, will make it easier for him add future enhancements.I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.
^^^^ This i can't for windows 10 version of MusicBee <3
Don't look for a beta until later this year.
Please don't do this.... I loathe Windows 10 (and 8), and 70% of the reason is how it looks & the UI works. I have to eventually switch to Linux because once 7 is no longer supported, I'm done with Windows.Please read the whole thread. You'll be able to customize MB to your liking.
It took me years to find Musicbee & fall in love. Please don't make me spend another several looking for something else :'( Why change something that is already perfect? I don't understand this... don't fix what isn't broken :( It's in my top 10 favorite software of all time. That's a big deal considering there's at least 100 different programs I absolutely love, if not more. I don't see any reason why it should have such a drastic change....
Please don't do this.... I loathe Windows 10 (and 8), and 70% of the reason is how it looks & the UI works. I have to eventually switch to Linux because once 7 is no longer supported, I'm done with Windows.
It took me years to find Musicbee & fall in love. Please don't make me spend another several looking for something else :'( Why change something that is already perfect? I don't understand this... don't fix what isn't broken :( It's in my top 10 favorite software of all time. That's a big deal considering there's at least 100 different programs I absolutely love, if not more. I don't see any reason why it should have such a drastic change....
Another Idiot said the only reason Using Windows its because of Musicbee.I suppose you were referring to my comment here, correct? In this case, you need some serious reading comprehension skills improvement buddy. What I said was:
The lack of a decent alternative to MB on Linux is one of the main reason I'm still using Windows on my main workstation.
I gift for you guys that are using Windows only Because MusicBee: How to make Windows 7/8/8.1 look like Ubuntu Linux:Either you're trolling or have never used Linux. The attraction of Linux is not how it looks but how it works.
https://youtu.be/JKk4d3wyiXI
Another Idiot said the only reason Using Windows its because of Musicbee.I suppose you were referring to my comment here, correct? In this case, you need some serious reading comprehension skills improvement buddy. What I said was:The lack of a decent alternative to MB on Linux is one of the main reason I'm still using Windows on my main workstation.
which is nothing like saying MB is THE only reason I'm using Windows. It meant something more like "without MusicBee, or something as good, Linux will never be a serious option for me". FWIW, I'm very happy with Windows 10, and have been for the better part of the past year, being an Insider who has contributed trough the Feedback app and getting involved in various communities involved with the Insider Preview.I gift for you guys that are using Windows only Because MusicBee: How to make Windows 7/8/8.1 look like Ubuntu Linux:Either you're trolling or have never used Linux. The attraction of Linux is not how it looks but how it works.
https://youtu.be/JKk4d3wyiXI
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Wow, these concepts are sexxxxyyy. At first I was leery about the changes but if something like this is possible then I'm hyped!
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc
v I know, "playlists" menu should have been selected...
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I wasn't dead, just had other urgent things to do :(
Updated xml (no bitmap player) with new features for MB3.0 beta
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkREDFlat3.xml
I rearranged/deleted some of the entries, tell me if something is missing.
1/17/16 9:21:17 AM - 10.0.10586.0 - 3.0.5857.40583 - System.InvalidOperationException: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
at System.Collections.ArrayList.ArrayListEnumeratorSimple.MoveNext()
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ExitInternal()
at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Exit(CancelEventArgs e)
at MusicBee.MusicBeeApplication.#=qanDZgMODDcqIRnnM_Bf_sw==.#=qA45DBVwNpXm1GtRRzhS7Z3mMwZlx3gjEp6QF$$hs71w=()
at MusicBee.MusicBeeApplication.#=qfp3H1KRXfU7cETIIu3OenQ==.#=qG3oFcMlrDgYHjJIbeNIb2g==(String #=qMuW8r6RsWsC2F6CDqvsQ9Q==)
I got an error message when trying to apply this skin:that looks like a bug i would need to fix but its a strange one. Is it repeatable (if so maybe set up a separate bug topic)
Where can I DL this ?"Th;is" meaning what exactly? Where can you download the skin? Or where can you download MB v3? If the former, go back one page and look for the links. But remember, this was a conceptual skin only. I assume it works, but haven't used it. If you're looking for MB v3 go here http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=17326.msg106325#new
I dont know what happened but the dropbox link didnt work, could someone send me a direct link asap
im sorry, i still cant get it, it keeps saying download failedDownloads links here: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=10884.0
it looks a lot like duophonic and monoural though.
why does this look so much like duophonic and monoural?