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Title: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 28, 2015, 10:43:50 PM
Last week Microsoft presented a mature version of the most important Windows release ever, Windows 10. Most of the problems with Win8.1 are being dealt with, universal apps are finally useful, and it comes with some interesting design changes.

I would like to start a thread with some unfinished concepts for a new skin based on the new "Modern v2" design language.
A lot of the elements shown below are not implemented on MusicBee, they are just ideas, some may be interesting, some may not.
This is not a request thread for Steven, it's just brainstorming. And who knows, maybe something ends up being useful!

Of course, everyone is invited to discuss and add their own ideas and concepts!

(http://i.imgur.com/QoiQlgj.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/nN3xkEz.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Bdb11rZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on January 28, 2015, 11:46:41 PM
Wow, very well done endeavour. I would love to see that concept implemented.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: mikebo on January 29, 2015, 12:31:56 AM
Fantastic work! I really like the artist overview page, it would be a massive improvement over the current one.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: mozartjune on January 29, 2015, 02:26:49 AM
That just looks sensational.  ;D
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on January 29, 2015, 05:05:05 AM
Nice skin!! , I hope That Windows 10 Come with a good and beautiful player . Aesthetics is all . many music players in the world .

I Will try some work with the best interface at moment...how you can see here:
I will try to create a skin for bee... if in the future, Bee use the Tags to create dynamics album-cover, how you see in the image showing the related artist.

(This is a Web player!!) unfortunately
https://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/interf-1-jpg--2
https://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/interf2-jpg
https://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/nowplay-jpg


You can visit my metroSkim RightHere:
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=12808.0
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=12895.0
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=13332.0
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 29, 2015, 07:51:21 AM
What a pack of great ideas! Especially delighted to see the horizontal navigator. As in my proposal (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14253.0), those nodes could be replaced with icons if there are many filters.
Also like the round artist picture in thumbnail browser and the playlist-style vertical track details panel in artwork view.
Looking forward to lively discussion about this fantastic proposal!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 29, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
One of the major points in the proposal seems to be how to conceptualize the 2nd & 3rd screenshots.
The 2nd one looks like the current playing track panel, and 3rd one is details tab of the panel. I like the ideas proposed here. "Artist details" panel doesn't have to be always linked to playing track. Something like "Explore Artist" context menu command could be added to any artists in the program that will open "Artist details" panel in a separate tab. Then the user could explore a particular artist and its local collection in depth (including last.fm plugins like stats and similar artists).
Then do we still need playing track panel? It could remain as is along with artist details panel, or could be removed except its details tab given to now playing node as proposed.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 29, 2015, 12:14:36 PM
I Will try some work with the best interface at moment...how you can see here:
I will try to create a skin for bee... if in the future, Bee use the Tags to create dynamics album-cover, how you see in the image showing the related artist.
(This is a Web player!!) unfortunately
https://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagens/interf-1-jpg--2
The Spotify player is very nice, but in my concept I also tried to make a more touch-friendly interface, as Microsoft is really pushing hard for this (Surface, Touch enabled computers, universal apps...). I think it's still mostly a point&click interface, but it's more usable with touch input, thanks to bigger margins between elements.

What a pack of great ideas! Especially delighted to see the horizontal navigator. As in my proposal (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14253.0), those nodes could be replaced with icons if there are many filters.
Yes, and the + at the end of the list should open a "new tab" or a drop down menu with all available "tabs": music browser / genre browser / artist browser / audiobooks / podcasts / visualization / autodj / custom filters / stores, etc...

There is one thing that I think still belongs on a left panel: a file browser (that's what the folder icon on the main toolbar is for). I think a lot of people would like to have it no matter what.

One of the major points in the proposal seems to be how to conceptualize the 2nd & 3rd screenshots.
The 2nd one looks like the current playing track panel, and 3rd one is details tab of the panel. I like the ideas proposed here. "Artist details" panel doesn't have to be always linked to playing track. Something like "Explore Artist" context menu command could be added to any artists in the program that will open "Artist details" panel in a separate tab.
Yes, I would even use it when you click on an artist on the left thumbnail browser (and browsing the library by Artists in the main panel)

Then the user could explore a particular artist and its local collection in depth (including last.fm plugins like stats and similar artists).
The "Album and Stats" view from the second image may be another main window layout, as "albums", "album and tracks" and "track details". Maybe "albums with customizable sidebar", with a sidebar that could display most played tracks, best rated tracks, related artists, etc.
Then do we still need playing track panel? It could remain as is along with artist details panel, or could be removed except its details tab given to now playing node as proposed.
The third image is just a "embedded theater view" panel. I think it's something interesting to have, but maybe it shouldn't be one of the default items in the horizontal navigator.


Another thing i'd like to point out is the use of section titles (with the little arrow on the right) as clickable menus (this is also one of the design elements of windows 10). They could be used to quickly switch between most used views. The main panel should open a menu with "albums - album and tracks - track details" (and maybe checkboxes for the thumbnail browser, a-z bar...). And the right panel should open a menu with "now playing - lyrics - bio" for example.
The ellipsis "..." on the top right of the main panel could be a dropdown for other commonly used customization options of the panel, like order, grouping, etc.


Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 29, 2015, 01:04:44 PM
I am genuinely impressed by this and plan to do something for the next MB series.
However I think it will be really hard to integrate with the existing MusicBee layout options without complicating/ compromising the configuration options and MusicBee itself. Also I imagine many existing skins wont work well with it.

So I see three realistic ways to tackle this
1a. just make it a Compact player thing but maybe incorporate some aspects in the main player;
1b. just incorporate some aspects in the main player;
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done
Those are my initial thoughts.

I have a question though. Can you confirm "Music" "Soundtracks" etc are tabs (and not a predefined set of all the choices that might have been found in the left navigator)? And clicking +, how to you see the user selecting what they want to be displayed in the tab? (perhaps the main panel fills with all the choices in a grid such as: Music, AudioBooks, Podcasts, Playlists etc for the user to choose)
I like having the left panel in first screenshot because i can imagine when Playlists is selected all the playlists display there or if Computer is selected all the computer folders display without having a special panel opening like in iTunes12 does for playlists
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 29, 2015, 01:08:12 PM
The "Album and Stats" view from the second image may be another main window layout, as "albums", "album and tracks" and "track details". Maybe "albums with customizable sidebar", with a sidebar that could display most played tracks, best rated tracks, related artists, etc.

I also thought about that, but it won't work as the panel is all about a particular artist. To be another "view", it should be able to list all tracks, not just one artist's tracks, in a unique way.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 29, 2015, 01:44:46 PM
However I think it will be really hard to integrate with the existing MusicBee layout options without complicating/ compromising the configuration options and MusicBee itself. Also I imagine many existing skins wont work well with it.

So I see three realistic ways to tackle this
1a. just make it a Compact player thing but maybe incorporate some aspects in the main player;
1b. just incorporate some aspects in the main player;
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done

I think that has to be your call. Probably it depends on what changes will be entailed with the upcoming versions.
I wouldn't worry much about #2 if that's the way to go. If demand is high for some abandoned skins, people would certainly re-create or modify them like other popular skins.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on January 29, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
I am genuinely impressed by this and plan to do something for the next MB series.
However I think it will be really hard to integrate with the existing MusicBee layout options without complicating/ compromising the configuration options and MusicBee itself. Also I imagine many existing skins wont work well with it.

So I see three realistic ways to tackle this
1a. just make it a Compact player thing but maybe incorporate some aspects in the main player;
1b. just incorporate some aspects in the main player;
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done
Those are my initial thoughts.

Starting with a fresh layout might be the best option in the long-term, but that's a big decision and I can't speak for everyone.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: psychoadept on January 29, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
Quote from: Steven
2. start afresh in terms of the layout configurations that musicbee supports. I see this as an opportunity to simplify the layout options but of course that will upset some people,
It would also mean existing skins would no longer work ie. a new set of skins would need to be done

Yes, some people will be upset by it, but I've felt for a while that backwards compatibility was becoming an obstacle to improvement.  I think this is the way to go.  People are inevitably upset by change, but sometimes you have to commit to a change and let older things go.

My only concern about the design as shown, which is amazing, is that as sometime who works a lot with smaller screens (1366x768 and 1024x600), I would still prefer the navigation elements be at the side rather than the top.  I would prefer that even on my larger screen, but at least there vertical space isn't as critical.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on January 29, 2015, 03:20:25 PM
I love the Image 2, with most played track...of course if this wasn't made with the ugly Lastfm plugin, but with native TAgs from BEE.
You know you are a artist, and you clean work uts base for me and my layouts in many ways and works.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 29, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
Regarding the fourth "artist view" idea, one way would be to separate the current group by settings in artwork view to album and all sorts of artists. Then "artwork view" will be always grouped by square album picture, while "artist view" could be grouped by (album) artist and (sort) composer with round artist picture. If you click on an artist picture, then it would open up the 2nd image of the proposal.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 29, 2015, 04:52:10 PM
Some mobile players are taking such approach. This is Shuttle+ music player:

(https://lh3.ggpht.com/PhJqCOtiLYl0oLxpMIW78d4oXZZXmJDa2RJgTWZ4oQQpUZkRTHhyVSPIF9NNujFX8A=h900-rw)



(https://lh6.ggpht.com/IoVgPne0N_VQSlvEFUrhpTZxOg91749suB3OwqyxXINOV1032TxTUeeE-oAFULK6zjdX=h900-rw)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on January 29, 2015, 08:55:24 PM
As conceptual mock ups, these are very nice.  I especially like the "Most Played Tracks" addition.
But it's only 3 images


How would the LH navigation panel look/work?
What about track details and lyrics in the RH panel?
What appearance would the standard 'Track Details' and 'Album and Track' views take?

Pretty pictures are good.  They help to stimulate creative ideas and discussion, as we are having now.  But don't forget the details have to be worked out, not just a "That looks good, we'll go with that" approach, especially as the discussion has opened up the idea of abandoning all old skins.  As with rounded corners, glass-look borders and gradient contours, minimalist flatness is just another passing design trend too.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 29, 2015, 09:26:04 PM
How would the LH navigation panel look/work?
What about track details and lyrics in the RH panel?
What appearance would the standard 'Track Details' and 'Album and Track' views take?
This is my interpretation of the proposal so far:
- there would be no left navigator; instead you would use tabs (MUSIC PLAYLISTS NOW PLAYING etc in the first screenshot). On opening a new tab, there would be a grid of choices to select what category you want to view
- the entire row where the tabs, icons and search box could be docked at the top for space constrained screens
- the left side of the main panel (artists in the first screenshot) could have Artists/ Albums/ Genres/ etc and also the Library Explorer as selectable where it says "Album Artists v", except when PLAYLISTS is active then the left panel would show the playlists; COMPUTER is active then it would show the folders; DEVICES would auto-open as a tab but i need to think some more about that one.
- also optionally the left panel could still allow a picture (artist, album cover etc) down the bottom left and perhaps the now playing list could also be optionally docked on the bottom left as well
- by default the main panel would not have the column browser panels but they could be optionally enabled
- Album and Tracks and Track Details layouts would still be supported without any change, but perhaps renamed (selectable where it says "Albums v" in the screenshot)
- for the right panel I see the first screenshot as a new view "Playing Album v". You could also choose "Playing Tracks v" which is similar to now where it would show the now playing list and have one panel beneath that has a button in the same style as "Playing Album v" in the screenshot with the choices: "Lyrics v"/ "Track Details v"/ "Artwork v". In addition to "Playing Album v" and "Playing Tracks v", there would also be "Selected Tracks v" which would show the selected tracks where the now playing list shows and the artwork/ lyrics/ track details for the selected tracks
- thats as far as i have thought about it for now.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: hiccup on January 29, 2015, 10:28:33 PM
These are all great concepts and ideas.
What is confusing me personally a little bit is that I am not sure if this topic is about creating some general Windows 10 look and feel so MusicBee will mainly look and feel 'contemporary' and 'modern' enough, or that this is about intrinsic platform changes that Windows 10 will be bringing soon.

For as far as I understand Windows 10 will be strongly improving on adapting smartly to either desktop, tablet or smartphone usage.
A well designed application will then probably look and behave quite differently depending on what technical platform it is being used.
I am personally quite enthusiastic on how this might turn out, and am anticipating on be using both a Windows 10 PC, tablet and smartphone before the end of the year. (all due respect to Apple and Google, but not a big fan)

When I look at developments in software design and websites currently, it bothers me that more and more websites today are striving for a design that is indeed beautiful to use on a tablet (or phone), but is underestimating what I am able and wanting to do on a desktop PC.

So I hope that development of MusicBee will not go in that direction where it is very important that it looks contemporary enough, and trying to please both PC and tablet users somewhere in the middle.

On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.

So what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.
Any effort in this area might better be spend on developments for tablet (and possibly smartphone).
(and probably would also bring you a shitload of well-deserved £ when done right)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on January 30, 2015, 12:01:23 AM
Have you ever use or saw tha Zuze Player? Bee is it in the righ way, improve the interface in a complete software...

Now days Bee its a player that can do many things other dont, I say that for sure, I test more da 50 Playes,
Change interface wont affect his power.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 30, 2015, 12:06:10 AM
I have a question though. Can you confirm "Music" "Soundtracks" etc are tabs (and not a predefined set of all the choices that might have been found in the left navigator)? And clicking +, how to you see the user selecting what they want to be displayed in the tab? (perhaps the main panel fills with all the choices in a grid such as: Music, AudioBooks, Podcasts, Playlists etc for the user to choose)
I like having the left panel in first screenshot because i can imagine when Playlists is selected all the playlists display there or if Computer is selected all the computer folders display without having a special panel opening like in iTunes12 does for playlists
Maybe "Music", "Soundtracks", etc should be filtered Music Library tabs.
(http://i.imgur.com/84Z3xst.png)
Not sure about this one, I think it still needs more thinking.

Regarding the fourth "artist view" idea, one way would be to separate the current group by settings in artwork view to album and all sorts of artists. Then "artwork view" will be always grouped by square album picture, while "artist view" could be grouped by (album) artist and (sort) composer with round artist picture. If you click on an artist picture, then it would open up the 2nd image of the proposal.
My idea was something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/rmrnynN.png)
Should be easy, just a inserting a header whenever the user is viewing a single Artist. The content panel doesn't even need changes :)
Also, a new view (albums + sidebar) could work for all the library, not just artists.

Note: Maybe the Artist Header should be smaller?

DEVICES would auto-open as a tab but i need to think some more about that one.
That's probably one of the hardest parts to resolve
- for the right panel I see the first screenshot as a new view "Playing Album v". You could also choose "Playing Tracks v" which is similar to now where it would show the now playing list and have one panel beneath that has a button in the same style as "Playing Album v" in the screenshot with the choices: "Lyrics v"/ "Track Details v"/ "Artwork v". In addition to "Playing Album v" and "Playing Tracks v", there would also be "Selected Tracks v" which would show the selected tracks where the now playing list shows and the artwork/ lyrics/ track details for the selected tracks
@[email protected]
I have to read all this paragraph again, I'm still confused  :D
BTW, the right panel on the images is just showing the current "Album and Tracks" view.

And a mockup of how the "Albums v" button could work:
(http://i.imgur.com/YRRL6j4.gif)
Each panel should have one "Title Button", with their respective options.

So I hope that development of MusicBee will not go in that direction where it is very important that it looks contemporary enough, and trying to please both PC and tablet users somewhere in the middle.

On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.

So what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.
Any effort in this area might better be spend on developments for tablet (and possibly smartphone).
(and probably would also bring you a shitload of well-deserved £ when done right)
Most of the changes are not drastic, I think.
When I talk about a more "touch oriented interface", right now I'm just talking about this:
(http://i.imgur.com/A0aUbMu.png)
Left: Current Version / Right: Proposed.
Just playing with the margins of some elements could make a big difference for some touch users. Other Windows apps have already done this, like Google Chrome.

Yes, it's still a Win32 app, so as you've said, it doesn't make sense to go "full touch" and responsive design, that's what the new Universal apps are for. But as a Win32 app I think MusicBee could benefit from being a bit more touch-friendly in Windows, specially now that Universal apps on "desktop mode" behave almost like a Win32 app (can be windowed, opens normal dialog windows, etc).
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Syni on January 30, 2015, 12:15:42 AM
I know it's just a concept but where can I find a skin that looks like this?
I can't find modern v2 anywhere. Was the icon part of the concept as well? Cause it's so sexy  ;D
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 30, 2015, 12:21:53 AM
I know it's just a concept but where can I find a skin that looks like this?
I can't find modern v2 anywhere. Was the icon part of the concept as well? Cause it's so sexy  ;D

Yes, the icons are also a part of the concept  :P and based on the newest builds of MS apps for Windows 10.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on January 30, 2015, 02:08:57 AM
What is confusing me personally a little bit is that I am not sure if this topic is about creating some general Windows 10 look and feel so MusicBee will mainly look and feel 'contemporary' and 'modern' enough, or that this is about intrinsic platform changes that Windows 10 will be bringing soon.

As Steven only recently said:
But MusicBee isnt available on a mobile device and most likely never will be.
I'm assuming that is still how it is and it's more about the current limitations of the UI in terms of being touch-friendly and adaptability to different screen sizes and dpi depths.



- there would be no left navigator; instead you would use tabs (MUSIC PLAYLISTS NOW PLAYING etc in the first screenshot). On opening a new tab, there would be a grid of choices to select what category you want to view

..but in my concept I also tried to make a more touch-friendly interface, as Microsoft is really pushing hard for this (Surface, Touch enabled computers, universal apps...). I think it's still mostly a point&click interface, but it's more usable with touch input, thanks to bigger margins between elements.

With the increasing use of touch interfaces (I've seen the high number of downloads of my touch-friendly skins) and the push for responsive design, maybe the incorporation of an home screen would be an idea to replace the LH panel.

(http://i.imgur.com/YLvFbLD.png) (http://imgur.com/YLvFbLD)
(made with elements from endeavour1934's mock-up and the Bootflat UI kit)

Icons and links to optional parts of MB could be added as required eg. a tile for the CD ripping panel or the Skins selection with a small image of the actual skin displayed.

This would also allow you to have your most popular and frequently used views in the tabs (I'm assuming here that they would still be changeable as they are presently) but still have quick access to less frequently used options
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on January 30, 2015, 02:30:05 AM
On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.
YES!  What he said.
I use MB on my desktop for "work" (managing my music collection) and my devices for listening.

Quote
So what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.
+1
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 30, 2015, 02:42:53 AM
My idea was something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/rmrnynN.png)
Should be easy, just a inserting a header whenever the user is viewing a single Artist. The content panel doesn't even need changes :)
Also, a new view (albums + sidebar) could work for all the library, not just artists.

Note: Maybe the Artist Header should be smaller?

Yes, that's how I understood. But how can the user "view a single artist"? It would require some sort of artist selector to browse all available artists and select one. That's why I suggested splitting the current artwork view into two separate views. Also, the view won't fit to any categories other than artist as all those web links are for exploring a particular artist.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on January 30, 2015, 05:48:04 AM
endeavour1934 you are a "watershed"  and I love That!!!
Do you Remember some time ago when you ask about some new function, to make this software much more dynamic to create greats skins?

The problem here its that people migrate from MediaPlayer, winamp to Bee, a different concept.
I use all available player, I can ensure MusicBee its the best, But I want o Nice player, for work or whatever.

endeavour1934 your work its perfect...congratulation.




 
 
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 30, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
My idea was something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/rmrnynN.png)
Should be easy, just a inserting a header whenever the user is viewing a single Artist. The content panel doesn't even need changes :)
Also, a new view (albums + sidebar) could work for all the library, not just artists.

Note: Maybe the Artist Header should be smaller?

Yes, that's how I understood. But how can the user "view a single artist"? It would require some sort of artist selector to browse all available artists and select one. That's why I suggested splitting the current artwork view into two separate views. Also, the view won't fit to any categories other than artist as all those web links are for exploring a particular artist.
Currently, you can view a single artist by:
- Clicking on an artist name on the thumbnail browser
- Clicking on an artist name on the column browser
- Right click on an album/song and search > search artist 'x'
and specially:
- If you group albums by artist, you should have an "artist browser"

Maybe there are other ways.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Xyzzy on January 30, 2015, 01:45:50 PM
I see this goes in places in bad directions (not regarding that all aesthetics of the new MS ui is discussable):
- mimicking touch apps for whatever purpose makes less place for actual data
- the above also makes desktop application handling much less convenient and non-standard in places
- using ALL CAPS is a bad idea (maybe it has its use on tiny displays - not here)

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 30, 2015, 02:08:23 PM
Alternative versions: CAPS / No Caps / Small

(http://i.imgur.com/84Z3xst.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/8rP4qHy.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/xKPj1ou.png)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 30, 2015, 05:18:14 PM
- using ALL CAPS is a bad idea (maybe it has its use on tiny displays - not here)
i plan to make this a skin setting as i think its needed for the type of skin endeavour1934 created where everything blends in
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 30, 2015, 05:55:24 PM
i have done some paintbrush hacking of the existing musicbee default skin to give everyone a better idea how i have interpreted the suggestions.
edit:
i have hacked in some of Mikebo's Calcium skin elements which i think look much better

- the menu bar could optionally be displayed in the caption bar. By default it would be accessible via the "MusicBee v" button
- ALL CAPS for the tab headers would be set by the skin eg. its more appropriate for skins like endeavour1934's
- the tabs bar replaces the left navigator but its up to you what items that were in the left navigator you want to add
- Podcasts and Inbox as tab headers would include the count in the tab header
- You would be able to choose and add a library filter to the tabs bar
- If you add the same item more than once eg. Playlists, then the name of the active playlist would be included in the tabs header
- the tabs bar/ icons and search box could be docked at the top for space constained screens
- probably the current vertical dock for the tabs bar would not be supported (nor the various other options you have today) - basically it will span the entire application window
- clicking on an active tab (Music in the screenshot) or on the new tab button would popup the equivalent of today's left navigator where you could select which node becomes active in the tab. See http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg89246#msg89246 for something how the popup would look
- clicking the Playlists would populate the left panel with the playlists (and also the Music and Inbox nodes so its easy to drag files from the library into a playlist). Similarily the Computer tab would show all the drives/folders in the left panel
- the status bar is missing from the screenshot but it would be optionally enabled for when the player is down the bottom as i appreciate it will be important to some people. It would always show if the player was docked at the top
- The summary information from the current status bar is in the left panel for the top "All" item
- the column browser panel could be optionally enabled and display in the same ways as now
- the left panel could also display other categories such as genres, albums, etc, the column browsers vertically stacked and also the library explorer and optionally an artist or album picture on the bottom left
- the left panel could also be hidden if you just wanted to use the column browsers horizontally instead
- i am not sure whether MB would still support docking the Now Playing list in the left panel or bottom of the main panel
- the player panel could also be docked at the top and support the current options with regards to wavebar and visualiser. I have not yet thought about how the player docked in the right sidebar would work
- the main panel would still support the same views as now and possible an artist explorer but i havent thought about that yet
- for the track details view I anticipate making the rows at least a couple of pixels higher than the screenshot, except perhaps for space constrained screens where each row will be closer
- the right panel would still support pretty much the same options as today, except "Playing Tracks v" would toggle between "Playing Album v" (a new view that only shows the playing album with a small picture and some album info)) and "Selected Tracks v" where the now playing list would show the selected files and the rest of the panel based on those selected tracks
- the right panel could be hidden
- any text with the drop-down arrow obviously shows a popup of the choices avalable. And clicking the text itself would toggle the through the options without the popup showing

(http://getmusicbee.com/images/forum/Win10Proposal1.jpg)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 30, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
picture updated with some of Mikebo's calcium skin elements
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on January 30, 2015, 11:09:17 PM
Having everything in the tabs would require a re-think on how the tabs are displayed so you don't end up with a truncated useless mess when a lot of tabs are used

(http://i.imgur.com/rybocjq.jpg) (http://imgur.com/rybocjq)

A few suggestions:
(http://i.imgur.com/ivIZMyD.jpg) (http://imgur.com/ivIZMyD)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: psychoadept on January 30, 2015, 11:58:51 PM
I'm not a fan of the disconnected "button" tabs, but if you don't want an attached tab maybe there could be another way to indicate which is "active", like making it bold or underlined.

For the problem of having too many open, perhaps a scrolling tabs bar?

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 31, 2015, 12:22:30 AM
  • as this seems to be also about preparing for Windows10, the most recent builds of the Win10 TP have the app/page name in the center of the panel. Freeing the menu bar from association with the MusicBee title by adding a separate icon would seem to make sense.
Latest build (9926) & screenshots of future builds have the app title aligned to the left.

And about the bar having a lot of tabs open:
-There could be an option that makes tabs switch to "icon only" mode instead of truncating names.
-Scrolling could work, it is the most popular option on browsers.
-The ">" arrow with hidden tabs is also a good idea. But instead of hiding them after a specified number, maybe it could show up tabs until 70% (for example) of the bar is filled, which would work better for big displays. Also, what happens when you click the ">" button? move them? show another set of tabs? Show a drop-down menu with the rest of the tabs?

I like the new changes. Feels like it's easier to use, maybe because people is more used to the whole "tabs" interface.
The drop downs with the down arrow also feel more intuitive, because it makes easier (and faster) to find where to change the contents of a specific panel :D

PS: Maybe Steven should move this topic to another subforum :P
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on January 31, 2015, 01:33:54 AM
Latest build (9926) & screenshots of future builds have the app title aligned to the left.

Yes.  I didn't have the latest build in front of me, but I see where they have "made the title bars for both desktop and modern apps title bars feel more harmonious".  They did move from center to left depending on what was open, I assumed (wrongly) that MS was moving them all to the center.

And about the bar having a lot of tabs open:
-There could be an option that makes tabs switch to "icon only" mode instead of truncating names.

That would defeat the purpose of having the Inbox and Podcast counters in the tab

-Scrolling could work, it is the most popular option on browsers.
-The ">" arrow with hidden tabs is also a good idea. But instead of hiding them after a specified number, maybe it could show up tabs until 70% (for example) of the bar is filled, which would work better for big displays.

That's what I was suggesting with:
  • only a set number of tabs appear depending on available area - extra tabs can be accessed by '>' arrow
The bar would fill with tabs until a % of available space (depending on screen size) was used.
Guess it wasn't too well explained  :)

Also, what happens when you click the ">" button? move them? show another set of tabs? Show a drop-down menu with the rest of the tabs?

I thought I'd leave that for Steven to decide - though scrolling them would be my preference.

I'm not a fan of the disconnected "button" tabs

I'm not a fan of losing the LH navigation panel  :D
Just following the flat UI design trends, which is either to encapsulate the selection (ie; the "button" look) or Bold the text
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 31, 2015, 06:26:55 AM
Overall I like Steven's mockup. It would make MB looking much simple without clutter especially on the top area.

- If the selected node becomes an open tab, then it means MB would no longer support multi-tab feature. You can always have only a single tab open and can't have multiple tabs open for the same node. It wouldn't matter much to me, but don't know how everyone else feels about it.

- the right panel would still support pretty much the same options as today, except "Playing Tracks v" would toggle between "Playing Album v" (a new view that only shows the playing album with a small picture and some album info)) and "Selected Tracks v" where the now playing list would show the selected files and the rest of the panel based on those selected tracks

Not sure about this. Then if I choose "Selected Tracks v", can't I see now playing list? Why does that have to affect the content of now playing list instead of track info panel?

-There could be an option that makes tabs switch to "icon only" mode instead of truncating names.

+1
I would prefer icons to full name of nodes (Inbox and podcast node could display counter next to the icon) since I like to show all toolbar buttons on the right without hiding them under a button. Optionally, only active tab header could be spelled out with all inactive nodes as icons with mouse-over tooltip. Also allow to add a custom icon to library filters.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2015, 09:32:23 AM
  • remove the tabs attachment to the panel
if implemented, i think that would be a skin setting as it might suit some styles of skin

- If the selected node becomes an open tab, then it means MB would no longer support multi-tab feature. You can always have only a single tab open and can't have multiple tabs open for the same node. It wouldn't matter much to me, but don't know how everyone else feels about it.
no, it would still allow Playlists or other categories to be added multiple times. I was thinking of changing the tab header to the active playlist once multiple Playlist tabs were added but perhaps it can do it even for one Playlists tab

On reflection about the proposal i think the big plus is it gives the application a simplier and easier to use feeling and I think thats important to many people. And some things are much more obvious to new users (eg. the number of people who cant find the panel layout button to change the layout is surprising to me, where as now its quite obvious what the current layout is and where to change it)
However i do see it being slightly worse for people who were navigating the left navigator nodes frequently on an adhoc basis. Also for users who occasionally visit a node on an adhoc basis it now requires an extra action ie. click the active tab header so the node selector popup appears.
It perhaps makes some of the lesser used categories (such as the items in the Services node a little less discoverable than before).
And it takes a bit more effort to set up because you have to add the tabs you are interested in, although i will probably default to a standard set of tabs on first usage.
On balance i am still definitely for these set of changes

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on January 31, 2015, 11:04:55 AM
Whatever the outcome, I hope mikebo's suggestion for hiding the scrollbars also gets implemented (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14777.msg88115#msg88115 (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14777.msg88115#msg88115))
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on January 31, 2015, 11:06:35 AM
i will probably default to a standard set of tabs on first usage.

I have some suggestions for the default tabs:

"Albums" - display albums in artwork view
"Artists" - display albums grouped by album artist
"Tracks" - display songs in track detail view
"Playlists" - display playlists with left sidebar enabled
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 31, 2015, 12:25:35 PM
For devices, I would probably do something along the lines of iTunes where an icon appears for the device and when you mouse over the icon you see the device name which would be needed when multiple devices are detected. On clicking the device icon you would see the same as the current 2.5 device summary panel + some extra tabs so you can see the device music library files, podcasts, etc.
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I am looking at the Artist Explorer (2nd screenshot in the proposal). I like all the elements it shows and i would also add in something
that hooks into the Xbox Music plugin to allow a user to browse albums or tracks from the artist that they dont have in their library (see the Music Explorer in the current MB version and click on an artist to see what i mean)

I imagine one way to implement it would be to have a new view "Artist v" thats included in the "Tracks v", "Album and Tracks v", "Albums v" button but only available in the context when an artist is selected in the left panel and perhaps available as a right click option in various places an artist is in context eg. right clicking on an artist in the "Tracks" view.
But @endeavour1934, its not clear to me what you are suggesting. Others please add anything to this aspect

for the 3rd screenshot, the now playing panel. I think i would add a row at the top (where Lyrics v is) with a list of tabs - something like
"Details" (which would be otherwise the same as the 3rd screenshot), "Wikipedia", "You Tube", any installed plugins, etc. I guess the existing "Photos" tab doesnt really fit into this but no big loss in my view. A new "Explore" tab would be along the lines of the 2nd screenshot

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on January 31, 2015, 01:54:24 PM
I imagine one way to implement it would be to have a new view "Artist v" thats included in the "Tracks v", "Album and Tracks v", "Albums v" button but only available in the context when an artist is selected in the left panel and perhaps available as a right click option in various places an artist is in context eg. right clicking on an artist in the "Tracks" view.

I'd prefer that artist view has its own default view: current artwork view grouped by album artist with round artist pictures. Then if you click on any artist picture, you get the suggested artist view instead of the current album list panel below the picture.  If you click on "back" button, you're returned to the artist picture list view again.
Also the view could be accessed via a context menu from anywhere as you suggested.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 31, 2015, 02:06:30 PM
I am looking at the Artist Explorer (2nd screenshot in the proposal). I like all the elements it shows and i would also add in something
that hooks into the Xbox Music plugin to allow a user to browse albums or tracks from the artist that they dont have in their library (see the Music Explorer in the current MB version and click on an artist to see what i mean)
in any of the shots you could replace the "store" links with "XBox Music".
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Pingaware on January 31, 2015, 04:24:07 PM
I haven't properly read the whole thread through yet (I will, but currently short on time), but here are my thoughts regarding the proposals.

I was initially sceptical about losing the left navigator panel. Then I thought about my use habits and realised that I actually more or less have the new layout currently implemented - I have Inbox, three different filters and Auto-DJ all constantly pinned open in separate tabs.

Things I would miss that I haven't seen mentioned in my topic skim:
- The ability to quickly change library (I do this relatively frequently and don't want to have to dive into menus to do it if possible). Could be a perfect candidate for a custom toolbar button.
- The vertical A to Z bar. I'm assuming this will still be an option, I just wanted to mention that I really strongly prefer it there.
- The option to pin tabs and lock them to a specific filter/inbox/playlist.

Things I would miss that I have seen mentioned:
- The column browser! I use this constantly with some specific virtual tags I have set up just for it. I really don't want that to be completely removed.
- The status bar. I seem to remember Steven saying this could be left in with an option - that's definitely something I would want.

I also saw something about playlists (which are the one thing I'd miss from the left navigator), but don't have time now to go back and find it. So long as I can still easily switch between playlists and my library from within a tab, I have no problems there.

I'll read through the thread properly tonight and update with my further thoughts.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on January 31, 2015, 04:43:50 PM
I just want to add that I am excited about all of these changes.  While implementation is not likely to be perfect initially, I believe that it will be working toward a more efficient, more user-friendly, and a more aesthetically pleasing interface.  I'm all in!

With that being said, I have been "all in" for a number of pieces of software that have done a major overhaul of the interface.  Some people get comfortable and are very adverse to change, and I imagine those people will raise a ruckus and give a lot of push-back to the proposed overhaul.   If those types of people had their way, they would preserve every piece of software to match the Windows XP version that they are running. 

Thank you for the active development!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Ulf on January 31, 2015, 08:28:46 PM

Looks good...  looks very good.

At first glance it does not seem all that different from what MB looks
like using a Dark Metro series skin, minus the left panel... but I guess
V.3 will be a bit  different visually, and to use.

Just two minor queries:

As I use Library a fair bit, will I  be able to have it displayed while
I am using MB (as I like having what's available, listed in music
categories)  or you planning to change how the contents of the
Library are displayed/listed?

Will V.3 be available with a darker skin?
(I've kinda got used working with MB, in Black an Orange skin)


Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ankor on February 01, 2015, 02:48:35 AM
On my desktop I mainly want all the information and options of an application available as fast and easy as possible.
On my tablet or phone I wouldn't mind when many advanced options were hidden or not even be available at all.
YES!  What he said.
I use MB on my desktop for "work" (managing my music collection) and my devices for listening.

Quote
So what I am probably trying to say here; please don't make too many changes for using MusicBee on a desktop PC, since it is close to perfection already.
+1

Yes, what they said!!

MB user for less than 1 year but I love it!!!  Just began reading this thread.  My background is software development (Windows desktop).  I understand the dilemma of backward compatibility but if it's time to make room for advancements, then breakage must be accepted.  You'll never please everyone.  Keep in mind some users are big on artwork, lyrics, etc while (like me) I'm interested in max real estate for the stuff I want to see and work on while listening (Now Playing list, music list based on selected filter/playlist/column browser choices, etc.)

I like minimalistic but the challenge is convenience vs minimal.  The panel summaries (n files, n MB, dd hh:mm:ss) are very helpful but don't necessarily needed to be constantly visible.  A mouse-over balloon/bubble would be terrific and it reduces clutter.  My "Playing Track" panel has a "gear" icon linked to a menu with stuff like shuffle on/off, shuffle settings, stop after current, output to and so on.  Awesome!  And well implemented in MB!!  Easy  access to lots of goodies AND reduced clutter.  I think the UI changes have been great over the past few months.

FYI...I really like seeing the length of remaining play time for the current track.  Excessive space between items in a list...not so good if you're trying to minimize scrolling...maybe 1x, 1.5x, 2x vertical spacing options?  Filters (query building) are FANTASTIC!!

Suffice!!!

I'm excited anytime I see a new update and the confidence is very high that what is coming is more and more TERRIFIC stuff.  Can't wait.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: mikebo on February 01, 2015, 07:27:09 AM
Excessive space between items in a list...not so good if you're trying to minimize scrolling...maybe 1x, 1.5x, 2x vertical spacing options?

Maybe MB could detect (at least in windows 10 as it offers this continuum mode) when a device is in a keyboard and mouse mode and present the standard interface in that case, but in touch mode change the scalling/padding on the fly to better fit touch input.
I wonder if microsoft will solve this. The universal apps don't seem to scale their interface and feel a little overblown in traditional desktop mode.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 01, 2015, 09:25:22 AM
i am still going to go ahead with these changes as described above, the the mockup i posted before being the default for new users http://getmusicbee.com/images/forum/Win10Proposal1.jpg
However, looking at various screenshots and settings for how people are arranging their layout, and i think the current left navigator panel is used more than i expected. So what i plan to do is leave in the left navigator functionality but by default it will be closed with the changes described before stll applying eg. if the left navigator is closed then the playlists or computer folders will display in the left panel (where Artists v is in the screenshot). If the user chooses to have the left Navigator open or auto-open then it will be similar to the current left navigator, except simplified and more in the same style as the rest of the window and the individual Playlists or Computer folders display where "Artists v" is

Layout for when the user enables the left navigator

(http://getmusicbee.com/images/forum/Win10Proposal2.jpg)

@redwing, i agree the Artists layout should not be a selectable view - however i dont agree that clicking an Artist in the Artists left panel should open it as that would be different from the normal/ expected filtering behavior of that panel. Instead i plan to have it open if the user clicks on the artist text anywhere in the main panel for any view
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 01, 2015, 09:39:17 AM
@redwing, i agree the Artists layout should not be a selectable view - however i dont agree that clicking an Artist in the Artists left panel should open it as that would be different from the normal/ expected filtering behavior of that panel. Instead i plan to have it open if the user clicks on the artist text anywhere in the main panel for any view

No, I do think artist view can be a selectable fourth view if you split the current artwork view into album view and artist view. Also I didn't mean thumbnail browser for its default view. I meant the current artwork view grouped by artist.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on February 01, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
Just a question regarding skinning. Will there be a new set of skin elements for this update, or how is that going to work?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 01, 2015, 09:44:25 AM
Just a question regarding skinning. Will there be a new set of skin elements for this update, or how is that going to work?
its too early to say - i am still just planning/ discussing what will be done to feel comfortable there is reasonable agreement before going into the detail. My feeling at this point is it can probably work with existing skins but there will be new elements needed and older skins probably wont work well without the new elements
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 01, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
I'm a little confused. Are you gonna make thumbnail browser always visible on the left, or it's just a default layout and people can show/hide it as is now? Also, if left navigator is hidden, then playlists and computer nodes will appear, when active, at the same place as left navigator, right? Then people could show or hide thumbnail browser optionally depending on their need just as with column browser.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 01, 2015, 10:00:28 AM
i have updated the picture. I am trying to make the behavior as consistent as possible between when the user has the left navigator visible or hidden.
That would require playlists and computer folders be displayed where the Artists panel is. If the user chooses not to have that "Artists v" panel visible then it would need to open the panel for playlists/ computer folders (in the same way it already does for podcasts)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 01, 2015, 10:21:16 AM
Then will thumbnail browser move on the right? Or, it's replaced by playlists/computer nodes? In other words, could people still use thumbnail browser for filtering the content of playlists and folders?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on February 01, 2015, 10:39:54 AM
I think going with your original plan;
- the left side of the main panel (artists in the first screenshot) could have Artists/ Albums/ Genres/ etc and also the Library Explorer as selectable where it says "Album Artists v", except when PLAYLISTS is active then the left panel would show the playlists; COMPUTER is active then it would show the folders; DEVICES would auto-open as a tab but i need to think some more about that one.
- also optionally the left panel could still allow a picture (artist, album cover etc) down the bottom left and perhaps the now playing list could also be optionally docked on the bottom left as well
and completely removing the left navigation panel is a better idea than having some half-way between hybrid.

As you said, you could still have the Library Explorer and a picture (artist, album cover etc) under the 'Artists v" column.  If you did dock the now playing list to the LH side, maybe it could open a second LH panel (as per your left navigator active layout) combining the explorer+image and restore the 'Artists v" column to full length.

Added:
Whatever happens, I hope it's soon.
I've got a new skin waiting in the wings to go  :)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 01, 2015, 10:56:34 AM
i plan to start looking at this after doing some fixes for the Upnp plugin but it will likely take several weeks depending on what is decided
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 01, 2015, 11:15:25 AM
and completely removing the left navigation panel is a better idea than having some half-way between hybrid.
what has been discussed from the initial proposal is not changing and will be the default for new users. However i can imagine the reaction if the left navigator is removed completely as it does provide useful functionality to some people (I just dont think the average user needs it). So it will still be available when unhidden. I'm probably just going to leave its functionality exactly as today, including having playlists/ computer folders expand inside the left navigator if its visible)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 01, 2015, 11:30:42 AM
I'm probably just going to leave its functionality exactly as today, including having playlists/ computer folders expand inside the left navigator if its visible

Yes, that's what I initially imagined and that would make things more consistent than replacing thumbnail browser with a new panel.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: 9ido on February 01, 2015, 12:47:04 PM
First of all, I really like the concept so far! I also like the simple and easy on the eyes layout in the image that Steven posted.

I have a question/request. Would every tab remember it's own setting regarding layout? Like autohide or shown panels? So you can really mould every environment (tab) and keep it that way? That would be terrific.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on February 01, 2015, 02:38:13 PM
i think the current left navigator panel is used more than i expected. So what i plan to do is leave in the left navigator functionality but by default it will be closed with the changes described before stll applying eg. if the left navigator is closed then the playlists or computer folders will display in the left panel (where Artists v is in the screenshot). If the user chooses to have the left Navigator open or auto-open then it will be similar to the current left navigator, except simplified and more in the same style as the rest of the window and the individual Playlists or Computer folders display where "Artists v" is
While I'm not adverse to most of the changes proposed, I really use the left navigation panel quite a lot.  Your proposal to leave it available has really made me happy about the upcoming changes.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: hiccup on February 01, 2015, 02:57:36 PM
While I'm not adverse to most of the changes proposed, I really use the left navigation panel quite a lot.  Your proposal to leave it available has really made me happy about the upcoming changes.

Idem.

Even though I am probably on the side of the 'Old School' dinosaurs, I am fully confident and have no doubts at all on choices Steven will be making on this.
I would only like to voice that I believe it would not be wise to follow a 'please everybody' path.
We all know the disaster that happened to Windows 8, trying to please both desktop and tablet users at the same time.
That should be a big 'lesson learned'.

For the future I hope we get a nicely operable, and very suave looking MusicBee for Windows 10 tablets (I started saving for a Surface Pro 4 already ;-)
But I would expect that would possibly require a big overhaul on maybe the Compact interface, and not so much on the Desktop interface.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Roadrunner on February 01, 2015, 03:24:35 PM
I'm probably just going to leave its functionality exactly as today, including having playlists/ computer folders expand inside the left navigator if its visible)
Definitely +1!

The first idea of just having a left navigator similar to the tabs would be a big step backwards. For me as a desktop user the left navigator is a very fast way to reach all of over 10 possibilities (Music, Bookmarks, Podcasts, Audiobooks, Video, Radio, Inbox, History, Playlists, Services, Computer) with their subitems. All of them just one click away. For me, this together with the column browser and to see much information without having to scroll are the main advantages of MB. This all is most important in a "working mode", when I edit tracks, prepare playlists, search for specific things asf.

Nevertheless, I like the new layout ideas and see the plus for touchscreen users to have more space between everything. In a "playing mode" I would be very open to have a similar view even on the desktop. So, I hope, you'll find a way, like Windows 10 suggests, to automatically change spacing and maybe other layout elements according to the presence of keyboard and mouse.

Or, as hiccup already mentioned, to distinguish between two separate layouts: the current main (and future desktop) layout and the compact (and future touch) layout? And to improve mainly the compact layout.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Xyzzy on February 01, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on February 01, 2015, 05:57:34 PM
I would only like to voice that I believe it would not be wise to follow a 'please everybody' path.

+1
This!  You will never please everyone.  Many people get comfortable and don't want to change or learn something new even if it is better in the end.  Personally, I will enjoy the fresh new look.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on February 01, 2015, 05:58:28 PM
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?
I don't think anything is broken.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 01, 2015, 06:11:33 PM
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?
hopefully it looks cleaner and for the new user, it will default to a much simpler layout. For existing users based on the discussions so far you will still have the same functionality as today. My expectation is the confusion that is quite often reported regarding "selected tracks" vs. "playing track" in the Now Playing panel will be eliminated. There will be improvement for artist navigation and a new album oriented view for the now playing panel. I anticipate being able to simply the layout options which again can be a challenge to some new users.
Overall I hope it will be a cleaner and more obvious interface with some good new functional additions
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: hiccup on February 01, 2015, 06:52:13 PM
This is probably getting a bit off-topic, but the 'behavioral' aspect is quite interesting.
Many experienced, loyal and contributing MusicBee users came to a certain level by being challenged by views, options and possibilities they didn't understand at first, but were investigative enough to put in the effort to learn and understand. It's really amazing how MusicBee has brought the level of 'The Art Of Music Management On a PC' up and what so many users are doing with it.

I do have a great respect that development is also keeping a big concern on novice users.
Yet I also feel you will get the user base you deserve, and I myself would not care too much about pleasing the more 'superfluous' and maybe a bit 'lazy' users who have more focus on things looking hip, easy and fashionable and might be put-off if things might look 'difficult' already at first glance.
All respect and my support for trying to please that category of users too, but it if and when that would have drawbacks for users that are investing lots of time and effort in trying to get the best out of what MusicBee has to offer I can understand some rumble that that might trigger  ;-)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 02, 2015, 07:50:51 AM
My expectation is the confusion that is quite often reported regarding "selected tracks" vs. "playing track" in the Now Playing panel will be eliminated.

That would be great. But the proposed solution of yours doesn't sound good, as I pointed out already.

- the right panel would still support pretty much the same options as today, except "Playing Tracks v" would toggle between "Playing Album v" (a new view that only shows the playing album with a small picture and some album info)) and "Selected Tracks v" where the now playing list would show the selected files and the rest of the panel based on those selected tracks

Not sure about this. Then if I choose "Selected Tracks v", can't I see now playing list? Why does that have to affect the content of now playing list instead of track info panel?

If implemented that way, it won't be possible to select a queued track in now playing list to view its details from track info panel. Also I don't get who would want to see the list of selected files in now playing list panel. Is that just for educating new users about the feature? Then it's really the tail wagging the dog.

I hope you will come up with a better idea. For instance, track info panel header, instead of now playing list, could toggle between "Playing Track v" and "Selected Tracks v".
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Kalnoc on February 02, 2015, 04:59:03 PM
Forgive me if this is an silly question but will the column browser still be an available option? I ask because I didn't see it in any of the screenshots here. Will I be able to use that and hide the jump bar if I want?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 02, 2015, 05:56:50 PM
yes - no functionality should be lost
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: TeutonJon78 on February 03, 2015, 12:02:35 AM
I'll add my support to the "don't remove the left panel navigator" crowd. I use many folders of playlists, and use the navigator extensively for them (and rarely to never use "Now Playing" -- I keep the right bar bar completely hidden in fact).

Granted, there might be a new way under the proposed change, but I think that it's important to have that ability still there.

Plus, I use the navigator to drag songs into those playlists, which is easier than right-clicking to add them, especially with a hierarchical setup.

On a usage note, the only other feature I really use in the left panel is the file navigator to play songs from folders. that could easily be moved to a tab.

Have you thought of doing something like the sidebar in LibreOffice? Rather than having it be one giant menu, you could sort of "tabify" the left column. Then each view could be a little more custom. For example, it could have a devices, folder, playlist tab, or you could just shrink it to the side or hide it completely if you don't use those features. Then you could simplify/design each of those views rather than requiring them all to be part of the same "tree structure".

So, you could keep the left view as forms of "library management" type views and leave the center and it's options for content viewing only.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Spiron on February 03, 2015, 04:48:12 AM
Looks really good but there is something I haven't seen mentioned.  Are the player controls going to always be docked at the bottom or will they continue to be movable?  I myself tend to put them at the top but I do know that most have them at the bottom so if that was a permanent change I would get used to it.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 03, 2015, 07:48:24 AM
Are the player controls going to always be docked at the bottom or will they continue to be movable?
it will still support the 4 player panel dock options
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Xyzzy on February 05, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
Can someone clarify what problems are going to be fixed by the new layout?
hopefully it looks cleaner and for the new user, it will default to a much simpler layout. For existing users based on the discussions so far you will still have the same functionality as today. My expectation is the confusion that is quite often reported regarding "selected tracks" vs. "playing track" in the Now Playing panel will be eliminated. There will be improvement for artist navigation and a new album oriented view for the now playing panel. I anticipate being able to simply the layout options which again can be a challenge to some new users.
Overall I hope it will be a cleaner and more obvious interface with some good new functional additions


Yes, these are good reasons.

Fe. I have always had issues with 2-level Group by/Sort by idea, plus navigation and state changes in the main panel(s) still don't work quite naturally for me.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: late on February 06, 2015, 02:09:06 PM
I'm really liking the concept art, but I'm just afraid that Musicbee might make a turn towards more touch oriented interface. And seeing what happened with W8 and W8.1. I don't believe that that might be a good idea.

On one hand I don't mind the simpler interface, it'll be user friendly to new users who don't have experience or don't care and just wan't the player working. But us 'Veteran' MB users are used to the fact that we can modify MB to hell and back, everything (well close to everything) is customizeable.

I can't really see myself using the Artist thumbnail browser, as I already sort my tracks by the tracktitle instead of Artists name, it looks like a mess but I've been doing it the past 10y starting from WMP.
The left sidebar browser on the other hand is a must for me, as I have a few podcasts I like to listen to as well as some Radio stations. These could be combined to the tabs, but again I can't see myself using them too much.

These are my opinions on the matter and should be taken as such.

tl;dr: I'm on board this new design look, as long as the old customization options are still there.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on February 06, 2015, 07:12:59 PM
I'm really liking the concept art, but I'm just afraid that Musicbee might make a turn towards more touch oriented interface. And seeing what happened with W8 and W8.1. I don't believe that that might be a good idea.

On one hand I don't mind the simpler interface, it'll be user friendly to new users who don't have experience or don't care and just wan't the player working. But us 'Veteran' MB users are used to the fact that we can modify MB to hell and back, everything (well close to everything) is customizeable.

I can't really see myself using the Artist thumbnail browser, as I already sort my tracks by the tracktitle instead of Artists name, it looks like a mess but I've been doing it the past 10y starting from WMP.
The left sidebar browser on the other hand is a must for me, as I have a few podcasts I like to listen to as well as some Radio stations. These could be combined to the tabs, but again I can't see myself using them too much.

These are my opinions on the matter and should be taken as such.

tl;dr: I'm on board this new design look, as long as the old customization options are still there.

AFAIK, making the interface simpler while keeping the extended customization seems to be the idea here. I don't think there's any indication in these screenshots or discussion that MB is going to end up being a touch interface. If anything, it seems a touch friendly UI would be an alternative view or something.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on February 06, 2015, 09:45:56 PM
As I've said earlier, it's just making it a bit more touch friendly in some places, not making a fully touch interface (that would require at least 40px separation between items!). I think it should look better and people should at least be able to use it with touch devices.

Some people say that it won't show enough information. But for comparison, let me show you a list of... list spacing measured in pixels (at 100% scaling with default font size) :P

MusicBee (Now Playing) - 19px
Windows Media Player - 20px
Windows Explorer - 21px
iTunes - 22px
eztv (Torrent site) - 22px
MusicBee (Extended Album View) - 24px
iTunes (Extended Album View) - 25px
kickass (Torrent site) - 27px
Windows 8.1 Music App (TOUCH) - 50px

As you can see, currently MusicBee tops the list, it's even more condensed than a file explorer.
I'm not saying that it should jump to a touch interface (40-50px), maybe just to something between 22-25px.
In the end you're still looking at 2+ hours of playlist (instead of 3+) without scrolling.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: klint on February 07, 2015, 01:58:42 PM
Hi
Good to see MusicBee still moving ahead :)

Maybe it has already been said (I haven't read all posts): clicking the Playlists would populate the left panel with the playlists (and also the Music and Inbox nodes so its easy to drag files from the library into a playlist, ***but also the Podcasts node for the same reason***).

Thanks
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on February 08, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
for details on how this and other GUI changes will be implemented see: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=15050.
please feel free to continue the discussion on this "Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]" topic for points raised which are more high-level and still useful irrespective of the implementation detail
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Iowaseven on February 09, 2015, 02:35:48 AM
How about having the option to have (relativity) huge artist thumbnails in thumbnail browser (like the size available in artwork view), with the text fields inside of the artwork, rather than to the right of it.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: slimpyman on February 09, 2015, 05:38:52 PM
can the tabs open also be different "music"?  I have like 3 libraries.   one video game music, one classical, and one of all others.   in its current implementation, it would be cool if the "locked tabs" werent relative of the current active library.   it would be awesome to switch libraries by just pinning the tab of the current library im looking at.   currently, the music tab shows only the active library and you have to do the right-click switch library to activate the other library.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Pingaware on February 10, 2015, 02:50:49 AM
can the tabs open also be different "music"?  I have like 3 libraries.   one video game music, one classical, and one of all others.   in its current implementation, it would be cool if the "locked tabs" werent relative of the current active library.   it would be awesome to switch libraries by just pinning the tab of the current library im looking at.   currently, the music tab shows only the active library and you have to do the right-click switch library to activate the other library.

If you use them all regularly, have you tried using filters instead of separate libraries?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on February 10, 2015, 06:17:04 AM
In conjunction with physcoapept's comment here (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=15050.msg89923#msg89923) and Steven's first implementation mock-up {http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=15050.msg89829#msg89829 (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=15050.msg89829#msg89829)} (which I think is a lot better than the second idea),  maybe a wireframe-type border simulating the active areas would be good for old and new users alike.

(http://i.cubeupload.com/L4Nqr9.jpg)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vzell on February 10, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
+1
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on February 10, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
+1
I feel that will really help (especially) new users with configuring the layout.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on February 10, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Great idea!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Poofox on February 13, 2015, 10:51:00 AM
Ok I've got one idea to contribute here.  One thing that bothers me about the current UI is that we can't display the waveform up top and also see the song info, as with the progress bar.  

So my suggestion is to just put that text right over top of the waveform with color inversion as an option.  

edit:
change header
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: wavebave on February 14, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14415.msg86127#msg86127
please  ;D
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on February 16, 2015, 01:26:31 AM
just a little something for consideration in 3.0

Quite a few skinners put extra effort into the splash screen for their skins, only seen for a few seconds on start up.  And that's if the option hasn't been turned off.

Maybe the details on the 'about' screen could be overlaid on the splash screen image, à la compact player.

(http://i.cubeupload.com/jTBcTX.jpg)
(iasc's 'Ocean Deep' skin)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Xyzzy on February 16, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
Re positioning panels - what about something along Visual Studio docking system: http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/visualstudio/WindowsLiveWriter/WPFinVisualStudio.Part5WindowManagement_CAB0/DockAdornments_thumb.png - you just drag panels and see how they would fit. Makes all positioning options unneeded.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ankor on February 16, 2015, 07:25:05 PM
Hope this isn't redundant...

From a pseudo high design level, the app window I see as 4 sections-top (caption & tabs bars & toolbar), right (now playing & curr track info & player controls), bottom (player controls option) and then the rest of the window (left/main panel).

I like the right-now playing-curr track panel showing whatever is related to what is currently playing and the Now Playing list.  It's all relevant and related to one another.  Something NEW...the option to display artist photos with or instead of artwork for the playing track in the right panel.  (I'm not big on album covers but at times prefer a changing artist picture--for variety--like Playing Track tab.)  I also like player controls in the right panel (still related to the rest of right panel) and to free up more real estate.

I like the option to still be able to display tabs and toolbar in caption bar in order to "better" use real estate but it certainly makes sense that the default should be separate lines especially for a cleaner look and for new users.

Now...the rest of the window (left/main panel). The left navigator is really all about what to control on the main panel which is the tab page.  Library, filters, playlists, library explorer, column browser--they are all about controlling the main panel (i.e. tab page). So what if the left panel actually was located on the left side of the tab page and only those applicable pieces were shown?  For example, if the Auto DJ panel was shown, do you need to see column browser or library explorer, etc.--unless you wanted to change the tab to show something completely different.

If navigation wasn't always going to be in a separate LEFT panel regardless and separate of the current tab, it could then be controlled and displayed/hidden per tab.

I use library/filters, playlists and column browser A LOT...library explorer, not so much. Perhaps I want certain pieces to be seen on certain tabs but not necessarily the same things on every tab. Maybe I could click something to see filters when I want for a tab but I want column browser to be constantly visible (for the tab).

Status bars...right panel would have its own status bar with option to toggle on/off. Same for each tab (i.e. main panel). So the window as a whole doesn't need a status bar (I think); Status bars would be tied/parented to either a panel or tab.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: find-the-pig on February 17, 2015, 01:33:30 AM
Re positioning panels - what about something along Visual Studio docking system: http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/visualstudio/WindowsLiveWriter/WPFinVisualStudio.Part5WindowManagement_CAB0/DockAdornments_thumb.png - you just drag panels and see how they would fit. Makes all positioning options unneeded.


+1000 :D

I guess this would be the best solution :)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: WannaBee on February 17, 2015, 09:31:21 AM
1. Seeing that the Tab Bar may offer some challenges- some of which have already been discussed here, such as the truncation of long titles, an overflowing number of tabs, colors- why not pursue something like a Tab Manager to take a care of them- and other user tab-variables? See 3.

2. Generally speaking, I think the focus should be om simplicity of Form, not necessarily Function.

3. I also think that the closer one remains to the form (and some function?) of the one application everybody so constantly and consistently uses, the better for all- and for obvious reasons: The Internet Browser.
 
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on February 17, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Now...the rest of the window (left/main panel). The left navigator is really all about what to control on the main panel which is the tab page.  Library, filters, playlists, library explorer, column browser--they are all about controlling the main panel (i.e. tab page). So what if the left panel actually was located on the left side of the tab page and only those applicable pieces were shown?  For example, if the Auto DJ panel was shown, do you need to see column browser or library explorer, etc.--unless you wanted to change the tab to show something completely different.

If navigation wasn't always going to be in a separate LEFT panel regardless and separate of the current tab, it could then be controlled and displayed/hidden per tab.

I like this idea.  I see this as being similar to how we all use web browsers.  In Chrome, when you open a new tab, you get the the options for what you want to display in that new tab.  In MB, opening a new tab would give you the option to display what you want in that tab.  The familiarity that people have with this concept would go a long ways towards it being user-friendly.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: small2cats482 on February 17, 2015, 06:49:10 PM
The design looks absolutely gorgeous, I'd definitely be hard pressed not to use any theme on it because it's so slick.
Please make sure that it scales properly across all resolutions and sizes. And also the settings menu is kind of a mess right now, it's hard to find settings and it's just a real pain to go through. Proper organization and maybe adding a search function would go a long way. And in the aesthetic settings, it'd be great if there is a preview available of how the player will look when the settings are applied, but I am no developer and don't know if it's feasible to implement it or not.
But great work with the visuals, really looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Ansem on February 18, 2015, 08:37:22 PM
the concept in the first page is definitively the best!
btw the other one in third page is still very cool :D
please, don't make the tabs untouched, they are really horrible!
also a default dark skins for me is always the best, they are a lot more comfortable for my eyes :)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Xyzzy on February 21, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
Please consider (a variation on) the following look for the main panel when Artists thumbnails are displayed:

(http://cdn3.pcadvisor.co.uk/cmsdata/reviews/3575402/PhotoDirector-6-Ultra-vs-Photoshop-Elements-13-review---PS13-organiser_thumb.jpg)
(This is Photoshop Elements Organizer 13)

I hand pick my images for artists and I think exactly 0 of them are square :/ Such display would give full view of Artists thumbnails with the least wasted space/truncated or stretched images etc.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 22, 2015, 02:48:02 PM
Are you planning to re-design preferences as well? Here are some wishes about it.

- Search box (lots of the same requests have been made)
- Make ALL commands available for hotkeys (why do users have to ask this or that command to be included for hotkeys?)
- Do not limit the number of options due to the settings pane limitation (e.g. virtual tags, external tools commands, sorting sets, etc.)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ashash on February 24, 2015, 06:47:37 AM
Came here from the MB 2.5 incremental update post
Looks nice, but if I were to prefer bee78 after trying this out I can keep my old layout right?
Otherwise it should be available.

Thank you everyone involved in this project. I love music and I love MB! :)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on February 24, 2015, 09:57:57 AM
Looks nice, but if I were to prefer bee78 after trying this out I can keep my old layout right?
Otherwise it should be available.

I think the pictures on the first post are more of how DarkRed skin would look from v3.0. Other skins will continue to be available, but with a new look, as long as they keep maintained by skinners.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: mxmax on February 26, 2015, 02:48:30 AM
never seen anything more beautiful than this this makes MusicBee even more beautiful than it currently is  :D
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on March 06, 2015, 10:55:33 PM
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: epizeuxis on March 07, 2015, 01:51:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/K8oPEXE.png) (http://i.imgur.com/VfSbouc.jpg)
Will this view be retained?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on March 07, 2015, 03:57:14 PM
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc

I'm excited!  This has a nice feel!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: dusty-2011 on March 10, 2015, 06:50:40 PM
Steven, will you still provide the MusicBee Classic skin for the planned v3 of MusicBee? I always use the MusicBee Classic Skin so I would very much appreciate it if it is still available.

Also, thanks for keeping the left side panel! I use that panel very often. Also, please still allow me to put the artist picture in that left side panel. I have a very wide left side panel with a very big artist picture in it. I like it that way!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: de.cayed on March 10, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc

This is beautiful! I love it!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: redwing on March 11, 2015, 02:12:22 AM
It would be great if you could incorporate last.fm album info page to the new artist view. Then people could read, in addition to artist bio, detailed album info chronologically for the artist.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: hurrakan on March 13, 2015, 02:28:31 AM
Sorry but I don't like the design in the initial post at all :(
For example, regarding the Album Artists list on the left, the circular artist images take up too much room and are unneccesary.  It only displays 13 artists at one time, which could mean alot of scrolling when browsing.

The preview posted here http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg89396#msg89396 does not leave enough screen width to display the tracks.  The more tag columns that can be visible the better as it allows more detail to be seen about each individual track such as title/album/artist/genre/bitrate/extension/year/rating/length etc. It also allows for easier sorting by clicking on the relevant column header.

Currently I like to use the column browsers to filter my music - mostly Genre and Artist, sometimes Album. It's great how they can be used together, but I don't see how that would work in the new skin.

Like dusty-2011 above, I only like the Classic skin in the current MusicBee. It's simple and elegant, easy to read and can display alot of information. There's no need to waste time making massive changes! :)

I guess I don't mind if the current left navigator panel has to go as long as playlists can still be reached in one click.  I don't pay much attention to the Now Playing panel.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on March 14, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
There's no need to waste time making massive changes! :)

YOU may not think so but changes in skinning possibilities and layouts have been requested multiple times. Even with the redesign, my understanding is that you would still be able to tweak the interface to look and behave the way you want it to which is one of many MB advantages.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: RealPetChicken on March 22, 2015, 04:32:19 AM
while the theme does look beautiful i rather the developer put more time into getting the UPNP working on MusicBee.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: psychoadept on March 22, 2015, 06:27:41 AM
while the theme does look beautiful i rather the developer put more time into getting the UPNP working on MusicBee.

You mean like this?

http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14277.0
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: clincher on March 26, 2015, 12:06:49 AM
My only wish/request for a new version would be an option to have a fourth column on the right, to display lyrics on the full window height with MB controls also using the complete width (as in the mockup below).

http://i.imgur.com/JXzkp4F.png

Currently I need to display the lyrics in a separate window right of the MB main window.

http://i.imgur.com/aeLbLbW.png

I'd apprectiate if it would not be neccessary to have a separate lyrics window to achieve the layout with full height lyrics as I prefer to use it.
Correct me if the layout as shown in the mockup would already be possible.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vzell on March 26, 2015, 06:58:19 AM
My only wish/request for a new version would be an option to have a fourth column on the right, to display lyrics on the full window height with MB controls also using the complete width (as in the mockup below).

http://i.imgur.com/JXzkp4F.png

+1
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Venthe on March 30, 2015, 11:27:01 AM
I'll just throw my two cents, it might be pointed before; But I also want it to be seen. For me - ability to set multicolumn properties list was The Killer feature. Will new theme kill that off in favor of single list?
(http://i.imgur.com/GfwTO4Wl.png) (http://imgur.com/GfwTO4W)
(http://i.imgur.com/vnNJkoel.png) (http://imgur.com/vnNJkoe)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alexis on March 31, 2015, 03:48:08 AM
I am sorry that I am arriving so late to this party, but would like to share my thoughts for whatever it may be worth to the original concerned by Steven:

I think taking on the presented concept would significantly enhance Musicbee.  MusicBee really needs a refresh.   It is really still similar to an old/dead program called Songbird.

For a while now, I have been feeling a retro sense in terms of the presentation of the program.  Just have been feeling like the  presentation has gotten dated.  Now, this does not refer to the under-hood advancement, but just the overall presentation.

This concept presented by endeavour1934 has given me that 'That's what was missing' feeling.

Personally, I would not mind the opportunity to go back to the board in creating new skins.  Besides, maybe the approach to skin creation would be more streamlined by with the new foundation, and that would be a big win.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alexis on March 31, 2015, 04:13:34 AM
And finally!  I love the attention being given to the new users!!!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: kingB on April 05, 2015, 06:32:37 PM
Hello, I just have one request. Plz make MusicBee compatible with HD screens because right now it gives a problem with resolution of text and size of boxes etc.
I guess it must've already been discussed but plz do consider it.
thanks
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: albr0x on April 06, 2015, 12:12:45 AM
For my two cents, here are my thoughts about what I'd love to see in the new design.

Keep up the great work, MusicBee is a truly amazing application with a great community.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: polexpo on April 17, 2015, 01:09:25 AM
This beautiful concept should turn into skin
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alexis on April 17, 2015, 01:18:53 AM
This beautiful concept should turn into skin

I agree!!!!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: de.cayed on April 17, 2015, 05:22:01 PM
This beautiful concept should turn into skin

I agree!!!!!

Did you guys see this post a couple pages back? http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg91018#msg91018
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on April 17, 2015, 07:03:56 PM
This beautiful concept should turn into skin

I agree!!!!!

Did you guys see this post a couple pages back? http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg91018#msg91018
Yeah but also: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg89146#msg89146

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A lot of the elements shown below are not implemented on MusicBee
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: polexpo on April 17, 2015, 07:09:40 PM
This beautiful concept should turn into skin

I agree!!!!!

Did you guys see this post a couple pages back? http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg91018#msg91018
Yeah but also: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=14941.msg89146#msg89146

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A lot of the elements shown below are not implemented on MusicBee

But this is the future Music Bee. And it should be realized.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alexis on April 17, 2015, 07:23:40 PM
My response is for the hopeful implementation if  the changes being worked on by Steven will accommodate it later on. 
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bigmelwalter on April 22, 2015, 09:39:52 AM
+1

Love this! Can't wait
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on May 09, 2015, 05:26:22 AM
I really like the most played track panel...something I aways ask.
Nice Job.

I heard which Windows 10 will suport Flac...this is a good news, Hope the new playes be beutifull as your skin.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ChristmasRose on May 09, 2015, 02:06:25 PM
I'm glad I won't have to choose between upgrading to Windows 10 or keeping MusicBee.  If I had to, well, let's just say "sorry Microsoft".  I think MusicBee For Windows 10 looks great and was so glad to read that, fundamentally, MusicBee will retain those features that make it unique,, easy to use, flexible, and the best music library manager available today.  Great job!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on May 13, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
ChristmasRose are talking about upgrade OS, or what.
None of then still exists, neither Windows 10 Neither this MusicBee 10 version.

I love MusicBee much more than other player, and i wait this implements,
But I  want a Cool Windows player Too.


MusicBee its Not a video player.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on May 14, 2015, 02:31:57 AM
More concepts. The icon bar on the left is the "left bar", and can be hidden/auto hidden


Controls on Bottom

(http://i.imgur.com/lmcIbWS.jpg)


Controls on Top

(http://i.imgur.com/r5qT7tW.jpg)


Controls on Now Playing Panel

(http://i.imgur.com/hGR1cb2.jpg)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on May 14, 2015, 02:35:59 AM
This needs to happen!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on May 14, 2015, 04:18:08 AM
Two more:

Playlists

(http://i.imgur.com/EkpvbVR.jpg)


Playlists + Left Explorer open. If the playlist panel is not open (because you are seeing another tab, Music for example) Left Explorer should use the full height. You can click on "Library Explorer v" to switch to "Computer Folders" or "Devices".

(http://i.imgur.com/PQ2DL7A.jpg)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: boroda on May 14, 2015, 06:11:19 AM
cool!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on May 14, 2015, 08:33:07 AM
More concepts. The icon bar on the left is the "left bar", and can be hidden/auto hidden

I like your idea for a compact sidebar, it reminds me of Photoshop's interface.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on May 14, 2015, 03:30:40 PM
endeavour1934 you know im your fan ..... very nice work


To me the only thing i would remove its that Ugly Musicbee beat bars,

As my Spotfy Zune dream, The thumb browser shown something relevant as a Top 10 list.
But this is a old subject.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bee-liever on May 14, 2015, 11:13:52 PM
@ endeavour1934
really like the vertical icon bar  +1


To me the only thing i would remove its that Ugly Musicbee beat bars

I assume you mean the small Spectrum Visualisations?  If you don't like it, don't display it.  That's already an option.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on May 14, 2015, 11:17:03 PM
More refined version of the "left bar/menu"

Extended / Classic

(http://i.imgur.com/BTYztfw.png)


Icon menu (including open submenus)

(http://i.imgur.com/QHkSons.png)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on May 15, 2015, 08:06:13 AM
@endeavour1934, i also like the way you have done the left navigator.
If you are okay to send me the icons (Library ,, Computer and the playlist variations) i will incorporate them. They need to be in a form where the background is transparent so the foreground can be recoloured to the skin.
I am still some way off seriously looking at incorporating some of your ideas but hopefully by late june i will be in a position to do so
Title: Please don't ....
Post by: darwin4ever on May 17, 2015, 12:32:59 AM
Why, oh why should every program try to win the Design awards or follow every M$ "invention" ?
Really, the most important thing is the functionality.
Mostly, the less "Design", the more "Functionality", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Mostly, the less "Wizards", the more "Flexibility", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.

Some example
- the Vuze/Azureus Torrent-program which also had in the past a "Design-Upgrade", but the die-hards still continue to use the "old technical" Azureus-UI.
- Music Label. Every time M$ decides to change the UI in Windows or Office, Music Label is reworked to align to it. Stupid, especially because other more important functionality never gets implemented despite many users requesting it.
- Foxit reader leaves the option to choose for the "standard" UI

So, please Steven, don't break MB, and leave the option open for the user to choose for the "old i.e. actual technical for some complex" UI.

Thanks for the great MB
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on May 17, 2015, 01:58:57 AM
I don't think anyone can ask, or even expect, Steven to support two versions.  Or two separate UIs.  If you've read this entire thread, along with this one http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=15164.0, you'll understand what Steven is trying to do.  Essentially, each module can be placed anywhere the user wants (or not appear at all.)  Right now, some modules are limited in where they can appear.

If you don't like what the new UI looks like, you always have to option to stay at the now current version, which presents the UI in the way you appear to like.  That being said, I see you're using v2.3.5188, which is more than a year old.  The current version is 2.5.5606.  You should at least update to the latest.  It maintains pretty much the same UI as what you're currently using plus many functional improvements and bug fixes.  You'll need to get to 2.4.x first by downloading from here http://getmusicbee.com/download.html and installing.  Then update with the latest patch.  See my sig for details.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: darwin4ever on May 17, 2015, 09:40:39 AM
Actualized my sig to reflect the latest version in use (since a while), being the "official" latest one on the download page. My sig wasn't the topic of my reply.

Indeed, no one can ask/expect Steven to support two versions, that being said, leave the design of "fancy" UI's (which can be beautiful but often not practical), to the module or skin-designers. Those freaking on such a skin can choose for it.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on May 17, 2015, 07:32:11 PM
I am doing these changes because i firmly believe they will be a good improvement on the current GUI that should be easier to use and more obvious for new users, and in general provide greater flexibility to power users - i dont think existing users will lose much of what they can acheive now (except as already mentioned vertical tabs not supported and changes to the now playing panel)
I should make clear not everything in the previous pages will be done and i expect some things will get changed as the fine details of the implementation are considered.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on May 17, 2015, 08:21:21 PM
@endeavour1934, i also like the way you have done the left navigator.
If you are okay to send me the icons (Library ,, Computer and the playlist variations) i will incorporate them. They need to be in a form where the background is transparent so the foreground can be recoloured to the skin.
I am still some way off seriously looking at incorporating some of your ideas but hopefully by late june i will be in a position to do so
No problem, but let me finish the full set first. :P
Also, transparency doesn't render/blend on bitmap skins like in photoshop, so icons look bad unless I add a solid background to them. I don't know if that's a bug. Icons on the left bar look good though.

Why, oh why should every program try to win the Design awards or follow every M$ "invention" ?
Really, the most important thing is the functionality.
Mostly, the less "Design", the more "Functionality", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Mostly, the less "Wizards", the more "Flexibility", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.

Some example
- the Vuze/Azureus Torrent-program which also had in the past a "Design-Upgrade", but the die-hards still continue to use the "old technical" Azureus-UI.
- Music Label. Every time M$ decides to change the UI in Windows or Office, Music Label is reworked to align to it. Stupid, especially because other more important functionality never gets implemented despite many users requesting it.
- Foxit reader leaves the option to choose for the "standard" UI

So, please Steven, don't break MB, and leave the option open for the user to choose for the "old i.e. actual technical for some complex" UI.

Thanks for the great MB
It's not about losing functionality, it's the opposite. Right now there are a lot of new Windows computers (laptops, convertibles, tablets) that have touch input and/or use HiDPI scaling because they have hi resolution displays, and they deserve some basic support.
But yes, supporting them sometimes may require some compromises to both mouse and touch inputs.

There are another couple of considerations. Ease of use is one of them. Some features should be easier to discover. Some options should be less buried in menus, etc. I think it's too early to be against changes that Steven hasn't even decided yet. It may end being different, but it shouldn't be worse.
The interface for online services (soundcloud, xbox music, etc) also needs more polish. They are really big right now, so musicbee should provide a great experience for them, and even maybe more functionality ( eg. indieshuffle.com, which basically is "autodj for soundcloud" )

Title: Re: Please don't ....
Post by: cartman005 on May 17, 2015, 10:18:58 PM
Why, oh why should every program try to win the Design awards or follow every M$ "invention" ?
Really, the most important thing is the functionality.
Mostly, the less "Design", the more "Functionality", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.
Mostly, the less "Wizards", the more "Flexibility", often described as "Complex", but appreciated by many.

Some example
- the Vuze/Azureus Torrent-program which also had in the past a "Design-Upgrade", but the die-hards still continue to use the "old technical" Azureus-UI.
- Music Label. Every time M$ decides to change the UI in Windows or Office, Music Label is reworked to align to it. Stupid, especially because other more important functionality never gets implemented despite many users requesting it.
- Foxit reader leaves the option to choose for the "standard" UI

So, please Steven, don't break MB, and leave the option open for the user to choose for the "old i.e. actual technical for some complex" UI.

Thanks for the great MB

I completely disagree that a complex program is preferable to a well-designed one. If you like Musicbee the way it is now, don't update, but  I think what Steven is doing makes a lot of sense. Also, it makes me cringe every time I see someone write "M$". Do people still think that is somehow edgy or clever? Or should a company like Microsoft not have the goal of earning money?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on May 18, 2015, 12:49:57 AM
Microsoft to me its a great company...I also dislike when someone says M$, its a company that change the world, many things what we do now in computer, comes from MS. Microsoft its working hard in his W10 and Windows Phone. (I love windows phone too)

About the new UI, Its a great step to the future os this incredible player, We spend lots of time making nice skins try to geeting close to the beauty of MEtro UI. endeavour1934 work harder, its no a easy job.

People complains but see all software Ui....(Spotfy, Tidal, Zune,  so on)










 
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on May 19, 2015, 01:44:45 AM
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.

Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.

Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.

Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on May 19, 2015, 02:17:28 AM
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.

Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.

Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.

Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.
Well said!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: darwin4ever on May 19, 2015, 09:53:58 AM
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.

Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.

Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.

Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.

Indeed, well said, fully agree and at last a reply with "content"
I'm just missing one thing in it : it's not only a matter of "stripped features" but also preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.
The examples I see show the opposite.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Ulf on May 19, 2015, 01:34:24 PM
It seems that every time there's change, some folks fight tooth and nail to resist it WITHOUT actually spending the time to inform themselves as to why the changes are being made, and how they could benefit from them. I see this happening each time there's a new version of Windows coming out. Windows 10 is fantastic, yet some folks would like to bring back Windows 7, are already talking about using Classic Shell instead of the redesigned Start Menu (which works great) etc. People jump to conclusions and reject anything that doesn't look like what they're used to. It's really tiring.

Of course, some things change for the worse (utorrent anyone?), but I see a lot of things that make sense here with the new MB approach. The reasons behind the UI change, what it will allow in the future have been made very clear on this forum.

Functionality without a clear UI, a clear design, is pointless. If features are buried in hard to find places, no one will use them. I see this with the iOS third party keyboard "NinType". Great concept but you have to work very hard to learn how to use it, learn to customize it because the options menu is horrible and features aren't made obvious.

Of course, the other side of it is if MB stripped features in favor of a re-design that'd be a problem, but it's actually quite the opposite that is planned.


Most of your message is about Windows, an those who dislike the 'changes' Microsoft have made to their OS since  Win7.  As it is
now some time since Win.8/Win 8.1 were launched, it seems the overwhelming  majority of Microsoft users are still not convinced
by the 'changes' MS made to their OS. Win.8 was a disaster, Win.8.1 was not much better, and many are determined to stay with
Win.7, which still has the majority of users years after it was released (some are even still using Win.XP). So I wouldn't say Microsoft
is a good example for MB to follow. You even admit that yourself...

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on May 19, 2015, 05:06:35 PM
Indeed, well said, fully agree and at last a reply with "content"
I'm just missing one thing in it : it's not only a matter of "stripped features" but also preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.
The examples I see show the opposite.

But, as Steven said in this thread and others, close to no current functionality will be lost to the new UI enhancements.

Most of your message is about Windows, an those who dislike the 'changes' Microsoft have made to their OS since  Win7.  As it is
now some time since Win.8/Win 8.1 were launched, it seems the overwhelming  majority of Microsoft users are still not convinced
by the 'changes' MS made to their OS. Win.8 was a disaster, Win.8.1 was not much better, and many are determined to stay with
Win.7, which still has the majority of users years after it was released (some are even still using Win.XP). So I wouldn't say Microsoft
is a good example for MB to follow. You even admit that yourself...

Actually most of my message is about change, not Windows, and how users are all up in arms as soon as the smallest change occurs, and the fact people are misinformed and jump to conclusions. My reason for talking about this is that one may or may not like the concept in this thread, but #1. it's not like this is going to be the only skin for MB - if anything, this sparks a conversation regarding user wishes & helping Steven add new features to the skinning engine - and #2. this means MORE functionality, not LESS (with a few exceptions).

I won't be debating the merits of Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 here, it's neither the place to do so nor am I interested, but the most attractive feature of the Windows platform, for me, is that you can do whatever you want with it. You would think Linux would beat Windows in this regard, and it does to some extent, but the incredible variety of software, resources, user mods available for Windows lets the platform take the crown. The changes put forward in this thread won't all of a sudden strip MB of the vast number of options available to power users like it's been suggested by the post that sparked this part of the conversation, which was my point.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on May 19, 2015, 06:15:35 PM
@wquatan, can you be more specific - perhaps an example
@Ulf, do you have any specific concerns for the proposal thats been discussed on the first pages?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Ulf on May 19, 2015, 07:53:33 PM
Indeed, well said, fully agree and at last a reply with "content"
I'm just missing one thing in it : it's not only a matter of "stripped features" but also preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.
The examples I see show the opposite.

But, as Steven said in this thread and others, close to no current functionality will be lost to the new UI enhancements.

Most of your message is about Windows, an those who dislike the 'changes' Microsoft have made to their OS since  Win7.  As it is
now some time since Win.8/Win 8.1 were launched, it seems the overwhelming  majority of Microsoft users are still not convinced
by the 'changes' MS made to their OS. Win.8 was a disaster, Win.8.1 was not much better, and many are determined to stay with
Win.7, which still has the majority of users years after it was released (some are even still using Win.XP). So I wouldn't say Microsoft
is a good example for MB to follow. You even admit that yourself...

Actually most of my message is about change, not Windows, and how users are all up in arms as soon as the smallest change occurs, and the fact people are misinformed and jump to conclusions. My reason for talking about this is that one may or may not like the concept in this thread, but #1. it's not like this is going to be the only skin for MB - if anything, this sparks a conversation regarding user wishes & helping Steven add new features to the skinning engine - and #2. this means MORE functionality, not LESS (with a few exceptions).

I won't be debating the merits of Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 here, it's neither the place to do so nor am I interested, but the most attractive feature of the Windows platform, for me, is that you can do whatever you want with it. You would think Linux would beat Windows in this regard, and it does to some extent, but the incredible variety of software, resources, user mods available for Windows lets the platform take the crown. The changes put forward in this thread won't all of a sudden strip MB of the vast number of options available to power users like it's been suggested by the post that sparked this part of the conversation, which was my point.



Thanks, for clearing that up.

Having followed this thread, I agree that little if any functionality will be lost in MB. Which is one reason why up to now, I had not added to what has been said in this thread. It was the liking the criticism that MS has received from its users, for every change  that its received since
Win 8, that seemed wrong where the suggested changes to MB are concerned. 

The comparison with changes that MS made to its OS was maybe the wrong one to use, as the criticism MS received from users and others following the release of Win.8 was largely justified. With Win 10 they seem to be taking some account of the torrent of criticism they received
for the way they introduced the changes to their OS, but they still seem to have way to go to win back with Win.10. the confidence of Windows users in the direction they are going with their OS.

Ulf
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Ulf on May 19, 2015, 08:05:52 PM
@wquatan, can you be more specific - perhaps an example
@Ulf, do you have any specific concerns for the proposal thats been discussed on the first pages?



None, Steven. It looks like with V.3, you have another award winner in the making.

Ulf
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: psychoadept on May 19, 2015, 10:49:04 PM
preserving equal usability on ALL platforms and by ALL kind of users with special (physical) needs.

Perfect backwards compatibility is rarely possible, and the attempts sometimes cause more problems than they solve.  However, MB does pretty well in that regard.

Also, a UI which is more touchscreen friendly will inevitably be more accessible.  What is it you see being an obstacle to accessibility?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ambientbenji on May 20, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
Love to see the new skins.

Only I hope the current Wavebar will still exist in the new skin. In the current metroskins this option isn't available. Also it would be great if the wavebar can co-exist with track information.

Will there be a lighter version?

About touch concerns: it would be great if version 3.0 would support the new window engine (like Spartan/edge does) with continuum support. I don't know the exact details of this, but when programming in Visual Studio, this function shouldn't be that hard to implement? Because Microsoft want all future apps like that.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: lnminente on May 21, 2015, 04:32:28 PM
@endeavour1934:
-Opening and saving those files with Paint.net will make things easier for the transparency of bitmap files win MB.

-In your pic of controls on Now Playing Panel http://i.imgur.com/hGR1cb2.jpg I think album and player controls would fit better at the bottom. Having the playlist on top of them. A small problem is that depending on the width of that panel, the player controls will go up or down, so maybe is more intuitive having them always on the bottom. But sure its a minor thing.

-I like the left fixed column of buttons, but depending on the button, it has autohide or not. I hope it keeps it simple and works well always, having autohide enabled or not.

@Steven:
-When a new user puts his music library in the hands of a new music player, he has the fear it could break his files and hours and hours of work on them while learning the new software. Now you have changed the way MB processes music in background, could be implemented a some safety measure to be sure no file will be modified by MB?

-How MB would handle locked files? Would stop the process of editing files in that moment or would move the problematic files to the end of the queue?

-The .lrc lyrics, the rewriting of them to unicode wich is breaking how minilyrics present them. Please don't rewrite the external lyrics when don't needed.

-One thing i find confussing is the Now playing playlist and the sorting of its elements. I think would be great redesigning it in the way that we would always see the actual queue. So if we start a queue sorted by filename but we change the sorting by played date, then the next file in queue after the playing one would be automatically the one we see in the screen (the following one by played date). I got the idea from 1by1, it's so simple and works really well
Title: Re: Please don't ....
Post by: gunterotto on May 21, 2015, 10:45:38 PM
I completely disagree that a complex program is preferable to a well-designed one. If you like Musicbee the way it is now, don't update, but  I think what Steven is doing makes a lot of sense. Also, it makes me cringe every time I see someone write "M$". Do people still think that is somehow edgy or clever? Or should a company like Microsoft not have the goal of earning money?

^^^ This !!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: DragonClaw on June 03, 2015, 03:53:12 AM
Hello everyone.
I would like to suggest a few additions.

Can we not have an option for a simpler grouping In Artwork View.
The view could look like this:
1. First group name shown as a text label, followed by
2. the albums in the group, followed by
3. a separator [can be extra spacing too I guess?]
4. Second group name shown as a text label
5. and so on...

Now if we have custom grouping in artwork view [group by any tag, instead of by one the only six options available], we could, for example, group our albums by their release type. CDs grouped under one heading, Digital Media grouped under another, Vinyl Discs grouped under the third heading and so on.

Plus if we could have nested grouping, we could, under the Digital Media group, have all "Single Albums" grouped together in a *sub*-heading, separated from "Full-Length Albums" and "Extended Plays" and "Compilation Albums", each type in a simple labeled sub-heading.

The sub-groups along with their albums, could be indented or collapsed, or may be scaled down.

I guess we could achieve a lots of different ways of effective grouping and sub-grouping this way. 

-Rick
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ankor on June 23, 2015, 12:31:31 AM
the anticipation is driving me nuts...can't wait...go Steven go
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on June 23, 2015, 07:24:41 AM
the anticipation is driving me nuts...can't wait...go Steven go
i am afraid its taking much longer than i was expecting so its still a couple of months away before a fully functioning beta version is available
See this topic for a demo version:
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=15050.msg93922#new
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ankor on June 24, 2015, 01:14:35 AM
sorry didn't mean to imply pressure about the wait. my background is software dev so I can truly anticipate and appreciate the massive undertaking you are enduring. the word that keeps coming to mind...refactor, refactor, refactor   ;D   just looking forward to more great stuff!! take the time you need. happy coding!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on July 18, 2015, 10:47:24 PM
v   I know, "playlists" menu should have been selected...

(http://i.imgur.com/KF8eLm8.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/WQb2Lzx.png)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: czarface on August 03, 2015, 06:01:43 PM
v   I know, "playlists" menu should have been selected...
Which skins are you using in the pics?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Pingaware on August 03, 2015, 07:11:51 PM
They're unreleased concepts. Read the thread title (and first post).
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bigmelwalter on August 03, 2015, 07:28:36 PM
I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: mxmax on August 04, 2015, 05:30:58 PM
I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.

^^^^ This i can't for windows 10 version of MusicBee <3
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on August 04, 2015, 05:57:38 PM
I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.

^^^^ This i can't for windows 10 version of MusicBee <3
Just to set the record straight - Steven is not developing a Windows 10 version of MusicBee.  He is developing MusicBee Version 3.x.  He is redesigning the GUI along with changing a lot of 'behind the scenes' operations, which in the long run, will make it easier for him add future enhancements. 

Don't look for a beta until later this year.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bigmelwalter on August 04, 2015, 07:22:16 PM
I'm just sitting in my corner cheesing! ;D ;D ;D I can't wait to see what MB has in store for Win10. I feel like a very lucky guy, especially after putting up with iTunes, Windows Media Player and MediaMonkey and many other pitiful excuses for a music player.

^^^^ This i can't for windows 10 version of MusicBee <3
Just to set the record straight - Steven is not developing a Windows 10 version of MusicBee.  He is developing MusicBee Version 3.x.  He is redesigning the GUI along with changing a lot of 'behind the scenes' operations, which in the long run, will make it easier for him add future enhancements.  

Don't look for a beta until later this year.

Well understood, I was simply just pondering on MB 4.0 lol

I understand that it will take time
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Modo on August 07, 2015, 10:42:36 PM
So, cover flow?  ::)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Space Octopus on August 08, 2015, 10:13:30 PM
Please don't do this.... I loathe Windows 10 (and 8), and 70% of the reason is how it looks & the UI works. I have to eventually switch to Linux because once 7 is no longer supported, I'm done with Windows. 
    It took me years to find Musicbee & fall in love. Please don't make me spend another several looking for something else :'(   Why change something that is already perfect? I don't understand this... don't fix what isn't broken :( It's in my top 10 favorite software of all time. That's a big deal considering there's at least 100 different programs I absolutely love, if not more. I don't see any reason why it should have such a drastic change....
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on August 08, 2015, 10:45:30 PM
Please don't do this.... I loathe Windows 10 (and 8), and 70% of the reason is how it looks & the UI works. I have to eventually switch to Linux because once 7 is no longer supported, I'm done with Windows. 
    It took me years to find Musicbee & fall in love. Please don't make me spend another several looking for something else :'(   Why change something that is already perfect? I don't understand this... don't fix what isn't broken :( It's in my top 10 favorite software of all time. That's a big deal considering there's at least 100 different programs I absolutely love, if not more. I don't see any reason why it should have such a drastic change....
Please read the whole thread. You'll be able to customize MB to your liking.

And good luck finding a music manager on Linux. The lack of a decent alternative to MB on Linux is one of the main reason I'm still using Windows on my main workstation.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on August 09, 2015, 10:34:57 PM
you loathe Windows 10!  Have you switch to Linux because once 7 is no longer supported! My dream is to know someone like you. Another Idiot said the only reason Using Windows its because of Musicbee. But don't worry the changes in the MB ui can be changed by you, And about Windows 10, it is perfect for everyone except you plus 10.


Please don't do this.... I loathe Windows 10 (and 8), and 70% of the reason is how it looks & the UI works. I have to eventually switch to Linux because once 7 is no longer supported, I'm done with Windows. 
    It took me years to find Musicbee & fall in love. Please don't make me spend another several looking for something else :'(   Why change something that is already perfect? I don't understand this... don't fix what isn't broken :( It's in my top 10 favorite software of all time. That's a big deal considering there's at least 100 different programs I absolutely love, if not more. I don't see any reason why it should have such a drastic change....
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on August 09, 2015, 10:42:57 PM
I gift for you guys that are using Windows only Because MusicBee: How to make Windows 7/8/8.1 look like Ubuntu Linux:
https://youtu.be/JKk4d3wyiXI

And yes...new Music bee Ui its about Windows 10. The new Metro style concept;

And Yes you can change all the changes.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: vpsaxman on August 10, 2015, 12:44:48 AM
Another Idiot said the only reason Using Windows its because of Musicbee.
I suppose you were referring to my comment here, correct? In this case, you need some serious reading comprehension skills improvement buddy. What I said was:

The lack of a decent alternative to MB on Linux is one of the main reason I'm still using Windows on my main workstation.

which is nothing like saying MB is THE only reason I'm using Windows. It meant something more like "without MusicBee, or something as good, Linux will never be a serious option for me". FWIW, I'm very happy with Windows 10, and have been for the better part of the past year, being an Insider who has contributed trough the Feedback app and getting involved in various communities involved with the Insider Preview.

I gift for you guys that are using Windows only Because MusicBee: How to make Windows 7/8/8.1 look like Ubuntu Linux:
https://youtu.be/JKk4d3wyiXI
Either you're trolling or have never used Linux. The attraction of Linux is not how it looks but how it works.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: silvestreccf on August 10, 2015, 01:47:26 AM
Yes Im  trolling , But after all Im not a Hater, I respec all OS  for which it are. (hard work of other people )  No, my coment its not about you, Its about other post.  Yes I was a Inseder too, Hard work for so many people and programer.  Nowdays the same shit happens with everything,  now its about new Musicbee Ui, 99% will love and 1% sinck people will hate and cantamineted social network with this. No one things about the Work, the feedback, or hours trying todo the Best. Yes Yes Im  trolling , But most important  I'm not a Hater.


Another Idiot said the only reason Using Windows its because of Musicbee.
I suppose you were referring to my comment here, correct? In this case, you need some serious reading comprehension skills improvement buddy. What I said was:

The lack of a decent alternative to MB on Linux is one of the main reason I'm still using Windows on my main workstation.

which is nothing like saying MB is THE only reason I'm using Windows. It meant something more like "without MusicBee, or something as good, Linux will never be a serious option for me". FWIW, I'm very happy with Windows 10, and have been for the better part of the past year, being an Insider who has contributed trough the Feedback app and getting involved in various communities involved with the Insider Preview.

I gift for you guys that are using Windows only Because MusicBee: How to make Windows 7/8/8.1 look like Ubuntu Linux:
https://youtu.be/JKk4d3wyiXI
Either you're trolling or have never used Linux. The attraction of Linux is not how it looks but how it works.

Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bigmelwalter on August 10, 2015, 04:37:16 PM
Lol, this should get interesting!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: MeeMeeMee on August 15, 2015, 09:41:49 AM
TL;DR

I like the clutter-free suggested look. Will I still be able to setup multiple libraries or multiple filters over the same library (for example, classical and Rock) and browse/display them each in a different way in the main panel? A tab per library/filter, for example?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Pingaware on August 17, 2015, 02:29:56 PM
These are just concepts from Endeavour1934, who is not a developer of MB. There will be no loss of functionality in V3 according to Steven.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: RealPetChicken on September 06, 2015, 01:29:56 AM
A lot of here already bitching about the new version of MusicBee, just wait until it's out. I have faith in the creator of music bee.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: frogcrush on September 29, 2015, 08:56:31 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KF8eLm8.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WQb2Lzx.png)


Wow, these concepts are sexxxxyyy. At first I was leery about the changes but if something like this is possible then I'm hyped!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bigmelwalter on October 16, 2015, 05:54:16 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/KF8eLm8.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WQb2Lzx.png)

Wow, these concepts are sexxxxyyy. At first I was leery about the changes but if something like this is possible then I'm hyped!

OMG!!!!!! I'm in love!!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on November 03, 2015, 02:42:47 PM
Test skin with new icons. Tell me if you don't like any of them.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED10test.xmlc

Is there any more testing to be done?  I'm loving test driving this skin.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: dazzerfong on November 05, 2015, 10:33:02 AM
Holy Jesus, that skin is perfect! Looks brilliant!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: HHM on November 05, 2015, 05:02:02 PM
it's outstanding!

but please enable option to have the progress bar on bottom/above play controls (on the whole width of the window)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: hob on November 06, 2015, 03:40:43 PM
Is a wave-bar style progress bar available in this skin, too? That's a fantastic feature that I just love in MusicBee!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: ihaveghosts on November 09, 2015, 02:07:52 PM
I love the beta version of the skin but is there a way I can change the missing album art default? I don't know how to edit xmlc files and can't find skineditor.exe anywhere!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Bigmelwalter on December 09, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
Can't wait to add this to MB3!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: forfrosne on December 13, 2015, 07:37:49 PM
v   I know, "playlists" menu should have been selected...

<snip>


These concepts are awesome, especially like the dark version.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on January 17, 2016, 01:05:53 AM
I wasn't dead, just had other urgent things to do :(

Updated xml (no bitmap player) with new features for MB3.0 beta
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkREDFlat3.xml

I rearranged/deleted some of the entries, tell me if something is missing.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: psychoadept on January 17, 2016, 03:23:59 PM
I wasn't dead, just had other urgent things to do :(

Updated xml (no bitmap player) with new features for MB3.0 beta
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkREDFlat3.xml

I rearranged/deleted some of the entries, tell me if something is missing.

I got an error message when trying to apply this skin:

Code
1/17/16 9:21:17 AM - 10.0.10586.0 - 3.0.5857.40583 - System.InvalidOperationException: Collection was modified; enumeration operation may not execute.
   at System.Collections.ArrayList.ArrayListEnumeratorSimple.MoveNext()
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ExitInternal()
   at System.Windows.Forms.Application.Exit(CancelEventArgs e)
   at MusicBee.MusicBeeApplication.#=qanDZgMODDcqIRnnM_Bf_sw==.#=qA45DBVwNpXm1GtRRzhS7Z3mMwZlx3gjEp6QF$$hs71w=()
   at MusicBee.MusicBeeApplication.#=qfp3H1KRXfU7cETIIu3OenQ==.#=qG3oFcMlrDgYHjJIbeNIb2g==(String #=qMuW8r6RsWsC2F6CDqvsQ9Q==)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on January 17, 2016, 03:27:21 PM
I got an error message when trying to apply this skin:
that looks like a bug i would need to fix but its a strange one. Is it repeatable (if so maybe set up a separate bug topic)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: psychoadept on January 17, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Here you go: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=17284.0#new
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Wenator on January 24, 2016, 01:11:36 PM
Where I find this skins with this customizations/layout? :)
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: adn on February 22, 2016, 02:53:04 PM
This is seriously awesome, and to talk about what Steven said on the very first page, if simplifying/reworking the way MusicBee handles layout to be able to do something like this means breaking older skins than I think it's very worth it.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: rudolph on March 08, 2016, 06:43:10 PM
Where can I DL this ?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: phred on March 08, 2016, 07:04:07 PM
Where can I DL this ?
"Th;is" meaning what exactly?  Where can you download the skin?  Or where can you download MB v3?  If the former, go back one page and look for the links.  But remember, this was a conceptual skin only.  I assume it works, but haven't used it.  If you're looking for MB v3 go here http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=17326.msg106325#new
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: KissCool on March 13, 2016, 11:52:14 AM
I really like how the tabs bar looks (1st picture of the 1st page). There's the same space between each tab's name (=/= same tab width) and it looks very neat.
Allowing us to reproduce this would be great.
But dunno how. Maybe, the easiest way would be to allow us to resize manually the tab width and the "lock tab" setting would prevent us from resizing accidentally the tab.
Or maybe an option to handle the tabs bar like the in-line menu bar ?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: akhilsukh on March 18, 2016, 02:47:21 AM
I dont know what happened but the dropbox link didnt work, could someone send me a direct link asap
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: akhilsukh on March 18, 2016, 02:56:36 AM
For the win10 skin please.(ASAP)!!!
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on March 18, 2016, 04:40:01 AM
I dont know what happened but the dropbox link didnt work, could someone send me a direct link asap

Bitmap skin: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED3.xmlc
Flat skin: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10773406/DarkRED%20Flat.xml

You might need to right click the link and select "save as...".

The official thread for that skin can be found here; http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=10884.120
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: akhilsukh on March 31, 2016, 01:12:28 AM
im sorry, i still cant get it, it keeps saying download failed

it looks a lot like duophonic and monoural though.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: endeavour1934 on April 07, 2016, 01:40:26 PM
im sorry, i still cant get it, it keeps saying download failed

it looks a lot like duophonic and monoural though.
Downloads links here: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=10884.0
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: akhilsukh on April 12, 2016, 02:18:17 AM
why does this look so much like duophonic and monoural?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Alumni on April 12, 2016, 02:40:23 AM
why does this look so much like duophonic and monoural?

You can treat those skins as heavily modified versions of DarkRED. I originally created them for my own personal use. Of course endeavour deserves credit for the design.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: akhilsukh on April 29, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
Hey Alumni, fonts did you use to make it look that great?
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: gpzbc on April 29, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Try this for DarkRED.
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=10884.msg70690#msg70690
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: Steven on May 11, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
I just wanted to say thank you to endeavour1934 for putting together this proposal and all the people who helped with comments and testing. There are some really good ideas and its served as the basis for MB v3 which is released now.
Title: Re: Win10 Style [Concepts] [Discussion]
Post by: serdontos on May 31, 2016, 07:30:42 AM
I'm trying to set my musicbee with this exact layout but i can't seem to get it right anyone know what settings i have to change because all this trial and error is for the birds