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Support => Questions => Topic started by: Budro on January 06, 2015, 08:42:40 PM

Title: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Budro on January 06, 2015, 08:42:40 PM
I noticed I have a hundreds of music files that aren't displayed in the library.  Using the Computer "explorer" in MusicBee, I can send these files to "Music Library" and then see them fine.  It looks to me that the missing ones have filenames like this "01 Hells Bells.mp3" instead of "01-Hells Bells.mp3".  No filters are set.  I'd prefer not having to find all the missing files and deal with them manually.  Is there some setting or another way of getting them into MusicBee?
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Budro on January 06, 2015, 09:13:25 PM
Oops, no the issue is that the default(?) behavior of MusicBee is to put new files into the Inbox and not into the library(?) and I have to manually add each new file.  This behavior seems odd to me especially as I used MusicBee to rip these new files.  My expectation is that when I rip a file using MusicBee it's automatically added to the library.  I'm not sure what the need for the Inbox is and it certainly wasn't clear to me that I needed to manually futz with it (maybe it should be called something other than "Inbox" -- "Staging").  No other music manager I have used has such a thing.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Bee-liever on January 06, 2015, 09:45:46 PM
No other music manager I have used has such a thing.

You make that sound like it's bad.  :o

If you don't want to use the Inbox (to hold your new files while you check for correct Artwork size, no clipping in Replay Gain, all extra tags are in place and correct etc, etc) then adjust your Preferences.  There is an option to send all your new files directly to the Library.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Zak on January 07, 2015, 12:44:58 AM
It's different, therefore it must be bad and should be changed immediately.  ::)
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: phred on January 07, 2015, 12:55:39 AM
It's somewhat strange that lots of people complain that MB doesn't do what their old player did.  Well, MB -isn't- your old player.  As Zak and Bee-liever both said, just because it's different than what you're used to doesn't mean it's bad.  Bee-liever even suggested a work-around.  I would think that every single MB user has come from some other player.  If one wants to try something new, one must learn to adapt.  Or remain stagnant.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Budro on January 07, 2015, 12:59:18 AM
Yes, I think this behavior is bad because it is surprising and adds no value.  I wasted an hour on this.  I can just as easily check the tags, artwork, etc. *after* the music is added to my library as I can when it is in the Inbox.  Maybe when a user rips a CD for the first time, MusicBee should warn them of this behavior and what they need to do.

Where is the Preference to automatically have ripped music added to the library?  On the CD Ripping tab, I see a checkbox to add ripped files to the Inbox but nothing about adding to the library.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Steven on January 07, 2015, 07:03:31 AM
i wont be changing anything
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Ulf on January 07, 2015, 11:02:18 AM
It's different, therefore it must be bad and should be changed immediately.  ::)


People sometimes like do things differently...

I am one of those who seldom uses the Inbox.   In fact when I switched from MediaMonkey, I did wonder
why a media player needed a mail box, till I realised what its function was when new files started
ending up there.

Maybe a name change to something like New Files could indicate what its function is.


Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Bee-liever on January 07, 2015, 12:09:09 PM
Where is the Preference to automatically have ripped music added to the library?  On the CD Ripping tab, I see a checkbox to add ripped files to the Inbox but nothing about adding to the library.

I didn't say just ripped music...

There is an option to send all your new files directly to the Library.

In Preferences> Library you have the option to send all new files to the library, so you won't have to worry about them ending up in the Inbox at all.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Budro on January 07, 2015, 01:20:54 PM
In Preferences> Library you have the option to send all new files to the library, so you won't have to worry about them ending up in the Inbox at all.

For this to work, it's also necessary to change the default preference to make MusicBee continuously monitor the music folders.

Obviously, y'all have a particular usage model in mind with the Inbox concept.  That usage model is not obvious or documented and, so for a new user, it's an unpleasant surprise.  Common operations should be streamlined. This is just constructive feedback from an experienced UI developer.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Bee-liever on January 07, 2015, 10:42:23 PM
Obviously, y'all have a particular usage model in mind with the Inbox concept.

No.  I moved over from Winamp with no idea about the Inbox, but rather than saying that MB didn't work the same as my old player, I was willing to give the new idea a try.  Now I can't imagine going to another player without it.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Pingaware on January 07, 2015, 11:57:01 PM
Obviously, y'all have a particular usage model in mind with the Inbox concept.

No.  I moved over from Winamp with no idea about the Inbox, but rather than saying that MB didn't work the same as my old player, I was willing to give the new idea a try.  Now I can't imagine going to another player without it.

This. But with moving from WMP.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Zak on January 08, 2015, 01:11:37 AM
Obviously, y'all have a particular usage model in mind with the Inbox concept.

No.  I moved over from Winamp with no idea about the Inbox, but rather than saying that MB didn't work the same as my old player, I was willing to give the new idea a try.  Now I can't imagine going to another player without it.

This. But also with the Now Playing List.

Off-topic I guess, but now trying to use any player that doesn't have a visible "queue" (i.e. separate from playlists) feels like the dark ages.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Budro on January 08, 2015, 03:19:33 AM
Obviously, y'all have a particular usage model in mind with the Inbox concept.

No.  I moved over from Winamp with no idea about the Inbox, but rather than saying that MB didn't work the same as my old player, I was willing to give the new idea a try.  Now I can't imagine going to another player without it.

Yes, you do.  MusicBee has a particular way of adding CDs to the library which involves ripping the CD, going to the Inbox, reviewing each file, and then sending them to the library.  This is the usage model I referred to.  I did try it; I was forced to try it until I changed the Preferences.  All of your responses to my simple confusion and constructive criticism have been condescending.  Is that the way you treat all users?
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: psychoadept on January 08, 2015, 04:00:04 AM
I think it's true that there's no obvious way to send ripped files directly to the library.  You can rip them to a monitored folder that is sent directly to the library, but that's not an option on the CD Ripping screen.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Bee-liever on January 08, 2015, 09:21:04 AM
Oops, no the issue is that the default(?) behavior of MusicBee is to put new files into the Inbox and not into the library(?) and I have to manually add each new file.  This behavior seems odd to me especially as I used MusicBee to rip these new files.  My expectation is that when I rip a file using MusicBee it's automatically added to the library.  I'm not sure what the need for the Inbox is and it certainly wasn't clear to me that I needed to manually futz with it (maybe it should be called something other than "Inbox" -- "Staging").

I think it's true that there's no obvious way to send ripped files directly to the library.  You can rip them to a monitored folder that is sent directly to the library, but that's not an option on the CD Ripping screen.

These are the things I can't understand the confusion over.  By the time you get around to ripping CD's, surely you've already set up your monitored library folders, so when you set the 'save to folder:' location in the ripping preferences, you would know if that was in your library or not.
Yes 'add ripped files to the Inbox' is ticked by default, but if you had no idea what the 'Inbox' was, wouldn't you hit "?" and get the wiki page that clearly states

Quote from: http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Ripping
add ripped files to the inbox

(Default: ticked) When ticked the ripped files will be viewable in the Inbox section of your library. The inbox is a holding area that is intended to allow you to review and edit file tags before you add the files to your library.
.

At the very least, if you didn't know what it did, wouldn't you un-tick that option?
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Steven on January 08, 2015, 09:57:54 AM
A rip to library option option wasnt provided because the filenaming templates could conflict with the library auto-organised naming template but i agree the option should be provided in the ripper so i will add it and simply disable the rip naming templates if the library is auto-organised
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Steven on January 08, 2015, 07:18:13 PM
as described above:
unzip and replace the existing musicbee application files:
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_5/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Bee-liever on January 08, 2015, 09:28:44 PM
So now I can't rip to a folder of my own choosing without also adding the files to the Inbox. Correct?

added: I mean, that's with auto-organise turned on.
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Steven on January 09, 2015, 01:33:06 PM
the rip now either goes to the library or to the inbox. If the library is auto-organised then the library organisation rules determine the file path
Title: Re: MusicBee ignoring certain files on folder scan
Post by: Bee-liever on January 09, 2015, 08:41:27 PM
rip to a folder of my own choosing without also adding the files to the Inbox
OK. So we have lost that function.  :(
But, I suppose I can always just delete them out of the Inbox for the times I require it that way, and the upside is ripping directly to the library.