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Title: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: djscottallen on November 14, 2013, 10:40:48 PM
I'm very frustrated with Musicbee's version of iTunes's "keep library organized" function.
My music is scattered all over my computer and external drive.  It's also been duplicated at least once.
I don't know what to do. All I wanted is for Musicbee to find my music, and then keep it organized.
Instead, it gave me errors telling me that the tags weren't attached to a bunch of tracks and so on.
And then it copied over the tracks to the new locations and left the original tracks exactly where they were and still linked to the player!!!
WTF?? My perfectly manicured library has been raped. If there's something I'm not doing, it's a mystery to me.
This should have been a simple and smooth transition.

Other than the fact that Musicbee totally screwed my library, I love musicbee and all it's options.
But THE most IMPORTANT feature of any music player is to organize your music and keep it organized.
Musicbee seriously needs to revamp this function to be more user friendly and work correctly.
Very disappointed right now....

I don't even know what question to ask!?!?! Help!!
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: psychoadept on November 14, 2013, 11:28:55 PM
Welcome to the forum.  A number of us, including me, have been able to keep their libraries organized with MusicBee, so I'm sure we can help you sort this out.

To start with, can you post a screenshot of your auto-organize settings?  This is the screen that comes up when you go to Library Preferences and click "organization".  A screenshot of your library preferences would also be helpful.

Here are some wiki pages that might be helpful:

http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Posting_Screenshots_on_the_MusicBee_Forum
http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Library_Preferences
http://musicbee.wikia.com/wiki/Naming_template
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: djscottallen on November 15, 2013, 12:09:01 AM
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That's great I appreciate your help :)

Here's my train of thought. I just read this:
"Note that any files in your library located on a different drive to your organised library are excluded from auto-organisation."

When I started with musicbee I put my library on my main hard drive. I am now trying to move my library to my external hard drive.
I'm thinking that might be the problem. But it did move some files over there, so maybe not? thnx
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: psychoadept on November 15, 2013, 01:20:37 AM
One thing that should help is to uncheck "copy source files into the library."   That's why all your files were duplicated.  You'll still have to clean up the ones that were already made, but it shouldn't happen again once you uncheck it.  (If the duplicates are in a particular location, you can add Path to the main panel and sort by it in order to group tracks by location for quick deleting.  Alternately, you can use the Duplicates Manager under Tools.)

Yes, you'll need to move files manually from D: to H:.  However, you don't then need to delete all the broken links from your library by hand.  Instead of rescanning to add the new location, if you go to File > Advanced >  Remap Music Folders, you can change D: to H: and MusicBee will correct the file links accordingly.

If you still want MusicBee to find files on D: and copy them to H:, once everything is in the correct place on H:, you could try turning "copy source files" back on, but keep an eye on it for a while to see that it's behaving correctly.  You MUST remove H: from your monitored folders if you do it that way, because MusicBee will think it needs to make copies of all your existing files.  They will still be auto-organized, MusicBee just won't monitor those folders for NEW tracks.

The less headache-prone option is to leave "copy files" unchecked and remove D: from the monitored folders.  You'll need to add new tracks to H: yourself that way, though.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Anti on November 15, 2013, 09:17:24 AM
> But THE most IMPORTANT feature of any music player is to organize your music and keep it organized.
> Musicbee totally screwed my library

Sorry for being curt, but MB just did exactly what you told it to do.

I used MB for days before being confident enough to use the manual 'organisation' tool. Only several weeks after that, once I was sure what I wanted my workflow to be (which entailed knowing what musicbee could do), I felt confident enough to test the 'auto-organisation' on a portion of my library, and then finally apply it to my whole library.

It should be obvious that a tool which renames/re-tags and moves your data in bulk is dangerous territory. Musicbee didn't screw your library - you did, by rushing into things, not reading, not asking, and assuming that you could organise thousands of files in unfamiliar software without any thought or preparation.

> it gave me errors telling me that the tags weren't attached to a bunch of tracks

I don't know the answer to this because I've not experienced that type of error, but I think it is safe to assume that iTunes was doing something funky with the tagging, so that in iTunes your music looks all organised and tagged, but if you look at your files with proper tagging software, you'll see that iTunes created a big proprietary mess.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: tedebear690 on November 15, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
While you can probably keep your library organized with MusicBee, at least initially, this is what I'd do:

(I am assuming that you are using a Windows OS, but it should work for Mac or Linux too.)

1) Set up a new sub-directory (I use My Music and it is in the root directory e.g. C:\ or in my case, where I have multiple hard drives, G:\). Then under that directory, each "album" is a sub-directory of My Music. If you have multiple albums by one artist or band, you might want to first have a sub-directory for that artist, e.g. U2 or Rolling Stones, and then place all of their albums as sub-directories under that artist. For individual song that aren't part of a larger group of songs belonging to an album, you can always either leave those in the root directory of My Music, or a directory called Misc or Miscellaneous Songs, or group them by genre, eg rock; or grunge or whatever.

2) Then search all of your drives for your music, and it's accompanying art files. If they are already in sub-directories by album, just cut and paste them from their old location to your new My Music directory. If they aren't at least temporarily, cut and paste the undirectoried songs and art to a directory called "Need to Organise" so that you can later sort them into a useable fashion.

DON'T FORGET TO RESCAN YOUR COMPUTER, AFTER MOVING ALL OF THESE FILES, AND CHANGE THE SEARCH CRITERIA TO JUST MY MUSIC,
AND CLICK YES TO DELETE FROM LIBRARY THOSE FILES NOT FOUND AT EXPECTED LOCATION AT THE END OF THE SCAN.

3) You said that many of your files were duplicated, triplicated etc. I've been using a neat little FREE utility Heatsoft Clone Cleaner Lite
http://download.cnet.com/Clone-Cleaner-Lite/3000-2248_4-10398069.html (From C-Net.com)

After installing it, point it to your My Music directory, in just a few seconds it will tell you which files are 0 length files,  which files are exactly identical (full clones), which files have the same content (though not the same name); which files have the same names and sizes (not the same as identical content); which files have the same size, and lastly which files have the same name. You may even want to run this, before rescanning into MusicBee.

After this, MusicBee should be able to keep it organized, as long as the new songs that you add you tell them where in My Music to download them to, instead of allowing your browser to decide where to download them to, which could be anywhere.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: djscottallen on November 16, 2013, 01:27:27 AM
One thing that should help is to uncheck "copy source files into the library."   That's why all your files were duplicated.  You'll still have to clean up the ones that were already made, but it shouldn't happen again once you uncheck it.  (If the duplicates are in a particular location, you can add Path to the main panel and sort by it in order to group tracks by location for quick deleting.  Alternately, you can use the Duplicates Manager under Tools.)

Yes, you'll need to move files manually from D: to H:.  However, you don't then need to delete all the broken links from your library by hand.  Instead of rescanning to add the new location, if you go to File > Advanced >  Remap Music Folders, you can change D: to H: and MusicBee will correct the file links accordingly.

If you still want MusicBee to find files on D: and copy them to H:, once everything is in the correct place on H:, you could try turning "copy source files" back on, but keep an eye on it for a while to see that it's behaving correctly.  You MUST remove H: from your monitored folders if you do it that way, because MusicBee will think it needs to make copies of all your existing files.  They will still be auto-organized, MusicBee just won't monitor those folders for NEW tracks.

The less headache-prone option is to leave "copy files" unchecked and remove D: from the monitored folders.  You'll need to add new tracks to H: yourself that way, though.

@scampbll - This may take a little while. I'll try this as soon as I can and keep you posted!
@tedebear690 - Also good info, will keep that in mind. thnx
@Anti - I may have jumped the gun a bit, but I really took my time and read forums before proceeding. You do have to admit that there are a few little check marks that aren't as clearly marked as they should be. Still, I do take credit for messing up my own library and not running tests first. :P
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: greenday1987 on November 16, 2013, 10:01:56 AM
I'm too OCD to allow software to organise my music. I want it all in one place and named/foldered/tagged etc how I want it- done entirely manually.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 01:10:56 PM
When "copy sources files into the library" is enabled there is a bug where it doesnt do that if the file is located on another drive - I doubt this is related to the issue you having though.
Also if the music files are on the same drive as the library, it effectively will recopy the file into the library - that was intentional at the time it was done a few years ago, but I can no longer think of any valid reason why it makes sense to be still done this way and only leads to problems with duplication.
So i have corrected both the above and will post a link later.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
Also if the music files are on the same drive as the library, it effectively will recopy the file into the library - that was intentional at the time it was done a few years ago, but I can no longer think of any valid reason why it makes sense to be still done this way and only leads to problems with duplication.
So i have corrected both the above and will post a link later.

So how did you correct it? Now it does not copy files on the same drive even with the option enabled?
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 04:32:07 PM
the current v2.2 behavior is it should copy the file into the library if the file is detected via the file monitor. If the source file remains in the monitored folder it will get duplicated on the next startup if the specified target is the Library (wont duplicate if the target is the Inbox).
If running the manual file scan/import then if the target is the Library then the file wont get added or duplicated.
Both those issues are addressed in the next v2.3 update. For v2.2 i am displaying a warning message recommending people dont use the feature and to use v2.3 instead.

Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 04:42:23 PM
What if the user runs File organizer with copy option enabled? Then it will copy whatever files selected to the library folder regardless of auto-organize setting, right?

<added>
Hmm, it seems the copy option is given for File organizer only when auto-organize is enabled. Then that's fine.
I'm writing up my main point. Just a second.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 04:57:59 PM
What if the user runs File organizer with copy option enabled? Then it will copy whatever files selected to the library folder regardless of auto-organize setting, right?
the "copy source files into the library" only applies to files that are being added to the Library that is auto-organised
if you mean "right click/ Send To/ Folder (Copy)/ Copy to Organised Folder" then that setting doesnt affect the command as the file will already be copied by the nature of the command you have chosen.
otherwise i dont know what you mean
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 05:02:54 PM
Then, which files are linked to library files? Source files or copies in the library folder?
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 05:11:31 PM
its probably best you wait until the next v2.3 version is available because at the moment i am not really sure what you mean
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
this has the changes for "copy source files to library" as described above.
It will only block re-adding the same file for the functions where files are programatically detected ie. file monitor and file import functions.
Any commands where you manually select the files as "Send to/ Library" or "Send to/ Folder (Copy)" will obey the command and copy the same file as many times as you repeat the command
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_3/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 05:43:31 PM
OK, the answer to my question turned out to be library copies. So original files remain in their monitored folders, and even they get added to inbox when monitored folder setting is set to inbox for new files, but never appear in library.

That seems working fine, but I have to say it's not what it's supposed to behave. The user should untick those folders from monitored folder setting, and if not MB should create duplicates.

My understanding is that "copy" option is equivalent to iTunes' "consolidate library" option. That option would be chosen if the user wants to keep music files in original locations and makes MB manage their copies in library folder in a consolidated state. If that's what the user wants, then he should untick the original folders from monitored folder setting, not to make duplicates. Otherwise MB has to perform some inconsistent behaviors like now.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 06:04:37 PM
OK, the answer to my question turned out to be library copies. So original files remain in their monitored folders, and even they get added to inbox when monitored folder setting is set to inbox for new files, but never appear in library.
For file monitoring, if the user specifies the target as the Library and has "copy source files into the library" then the copy of the source file will be organised according to the naming template the user enters. Thats what iTunes does right (I havent actually looked at that iTunes behavior for a very long time so i might be wrong).
If instead the target is specified as the Inbox, then a link to the source file is kept until moved to the library. When the user sends the file to the library, a copy of the file is made at that point and organised according to the naming template.
As iTunes doesnt provide Inbox functionality i am not sure you can make a comparison when using the Inbox approach.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 06:18:41 PM
There's no point to compare MB and iTunes. I just wanted to point out what the copy option is for.

If instead the target is specified as the Inbox, then a link to the source file is kept until moved to the library. When the user sends the file to the library, a copy of the file is made at that point and organised according to the naming template.

I meant monitored folder setting, not the file organizer setting. Due to the inconsistency, now it keeps adding the same files to inbox if the files are sent to library, which become duplicates.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
you have lost me again - i am not aware of any setting in the file organiser that controls whether a file goes to the Inbox or Library.
Can you be specific about what file organiser setting you are refering to.
I appreciate this might be getting frustrating for you but i cant see what you can see or be sure of the context of some of the comments. If you have time a screenshot might help

edit:
ok, i think i know what you mean
"copy source files into the library" implies to you that any auto-organised files will be immediately copied into the library which doesnt happen immediately if you set the target for new monitored files to be the Inbox.
However i am unclear how you would still get duplicates using the latest version
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 06:44:09 PM
Sorry, I was confused with Rescan/add files settings. Anyway, what I meant was "add to inbox" option under monitored folders setting. You don't see any inconsistency when that option is ticked? They don't appear in library because they are duplicates but they can appear in inbox?
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 06:47:50 PM
edit:
ok, i think i know what you mean
"copy source files into the library" implies to you that any auto-organised files will be immediately copied into the library which doesnt happen immediately if you set the target for new monitored files to be the Inbox.
However i am unclear how you would still get duplicates using the latest version

What I'm saying is you didn't have to make this change. It's the user's fault, not MB's fault, that's creating duplicates. The user should untick the folders from monitored folder setting. Period.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 06:48:34 PM
i guess the "copy source files into the library" option really belongs in the main library preferences panel as a choice of:
- add to library
- copy to library
- add to inbox

i am still unsure about your point with the duplicates still being possible with the latest version so could you explain that some more
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 06:50:04 PM
No, it's working fine. Duplicates are not created unless I intentionally add files in inbox to library.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 06:58:45 PM
My point is not that MB is not working fine as you intended but that it's now behaving inconsistently. For instance, why doesn't it add files in monitored folder to library even if they are duplicates? It should, shouldn't it?
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 07:19:47 PM
can i get comments on this proposal from anyone interested:
- i will move the "copy source files into the library" to the main library preferences panel into the "music library" section.
- it will still only be enabled when "auto-organise audio files" is ticked
- when "copy source files into the library" is ticked, the monitored folders section will be disabled. So that means you could only use this feature for manually added files
- the reason being is that monitored folders will inevitably lead to duplicates being created unless i put in some blocking. Although i did that with the latest 2.3 update i am not very comfortable about it as it cant catch every scenario

Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on November 16, 2013, 07:43:03 PM
I remember this case:

I was expecting people to manually add files to the library using the "copy when organising" option.
for folder monitoring, the current implementation assumes the files being copied from are only temporarily in the monitored folder.
So each time it restarts its adding all the files to the monitored folder to the library.
I dont think there is any foolproof way to handle the way you want to use this. I guess it could detect when there is a collision with the files and not add the file to the library in that case, but i need to think about whether i want to do that as it has flaws as well.
It might be best you dont use this functionality and find another way you can acheive what you want as i might simply disable the option for folder monitoring

I understand copy option and folder monitoring can create various problems when they're combined. Some strong warnings would be necessary against such use, but the final choice may leave to users with their own responsibility.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: psychoadept on November 16, 2013, 08:13:07 PM
can i get comments on this proposal from anyone interested:
- i will move the "copy source files into the library" to the main library preferences panel into the "music library" section.
- it will still only be enabled when "auto-organise audio files" is ticked
- when "copy source files into the library" is ticked, the monitored folders section will be disabled. So that means you could only use this feature for manually added files
- the reason being is that monitored folders will inevitably lead to duplicates being created unless i put in some blocking. Although i did that with the latest 2.3 update i am not very comfortable about it as it cant catch every scenario

I think this sounds good.  So if "copy source files" is enabled, you must manually scan the files to be organized, or if you have monitored folders enabled and you want copies, you need to the copying yourself.

How will you alert users who have both of these features enabled (assuming any do), when they upgrade?
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Bee-liever on November 16, 2013, 09:50:03 PM
can i get comments on this proposal from anyone interested:
- i will move the "copy source files into the library" to the main library preferences panel into the "music library" section.
- it will still only be enabled when "auto-organise audio files" is ticked
- when "copy source files into the library" is ticked, the monitored folders section will be disabled. So that means you could only use this feature for manually added files
- the reason being is that monitored folders will inevitably lead to duplicates being created unless i put in some blocking. Although i did that with the latest 2.3 update i am not very comfortable about it as it cant catch every scenario

I don't think the problem is with the way it's been done, but more with the actual wording of the option.
I think most new users don't realise that in MB your "Library" is actually the library setting folder that may or may not contain the source files for music, podcasts, playlists etc. Most other players refer to the "Library" as the location of the source files.
IMO most of the problems occur with new users, when selecting the "copy source files into the library", are assuming it means to add the files into MB so they can be viewed.
I don't believe they know that source files and library are different (especially AFATK they have already organised them with auto-sweep), and MB is creating a copy of the file within the library file.

Maybe just a warning pop-up that "This option will duplicate source files if Library and source files are in the same location" (or probably worded better than that  :D  ) is what is needed.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2013, 10:09:12 PM
wording change and warning messages are now displayed. No attempt is made any more to block duplicate files when folder monitoring is enabled and "copy files when adding to library" is enabled

http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_3/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip

Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Bee-liever on November 17, 2013, 01:10:44 AM
Thank you for listening, Steven
IMHO removing the "copy files when adding to library" option from the auto-organise page and the inclusion of warning messages is the best problem-solving-but-backwards-compatible solution that could be achieved
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on November 17, 2013, 08:25:15 AM
actually on further reflection i will probably completely remove the option to copy files into the library. The reason being i think people tend to ignore/ forget about the warning. Also the same issue of duplication can arise when using the File Scanner to add new files.
I will remove the option and then see how much push-back there is over the 2.3 beta period
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: djscottallen on November 25, 2013, 06:30:14 PM
Wow, it looks like my little problem has sparked quite the discussion. After fooling around with settings and follow all of your advice, I finally managed to fix my library, and I have to say, I LOVE musicbee. It's great.

The problem came when I tried to move my library to a seperate drive. It's actually not a seperate hard drive, but a partition on the same drive meant for "basic files" instead of system files. Trying to have musicbee auto-organize my library files onto another drive letter caused quite a problem. The fact of this, plus having the "copy files" checked gave me duplicate files and music in 3 different locations.  Musicbee states clearly on the FAQ / instructions page under Library that moving from one drive to another is not supported at this time.  I didn't see this until afterward.

I now have a flawlessly manicured music library that is automatically organized by musicbee.
I have a ton of suggestions to make musicbee better, but it's still MILES beyond iTunes or Winamp. I can't wait to see what upgrades are made to this product.

SIDE NOTE: 
1.  If some very user friendly "Audacity" audio leveling software (amplify/normalize) is implemented within musicbee at an acceptable level of quality and confidence that it wouldn't ruin my music files, I would consider purchasing add ons/plugins at a reasonable price. Something to consider. The music player and all functionality should always remain free, but optional and very polished plugins available to purchase might be a good idea. I love your product and would happily support it.
2.  You guys should get with Virtual DJ to integrate your media player into it's program like iTunes. Speaking as a DJ, this would realllly help me. Food for thought

Thank you all for your help & thank you for musicbee!!
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Amethystlover on November 30, 2013, 03:52:06 PM
I too am one of those who made the mistake of doing too much at once, it was so easy to do!  MB was doing everything I wanted, seemed so straightforward, easy to use, understandable etc unlike so many other media players I test drove that I assumed (I know what assume means and that's why I have spent the last month cleaning my system up as I had 100,000+ files when it happened and didn't write anything nasty as I knew it was my own fault!)

But here is my issue, not sure what to do for now I have unchecked all sorts transfers etc until I get my audio files straightened out.  But now that I have duplicate up to 30 copies of one file it's not easy to clean up.  The ones with 30 copies no problem, but the cleaners still make you decide which is original file to keep, so with 100,000+ files it is very time consuming and then trying to maintain file structures it driving my OCD nuts.  The other issue with MB to do duplicates with Unknown file names, I had music files that are missing tags, can't find them and are in a file called "name that tune" that I try to name and then find a tag so system will quit pulling it up.  But Can't run duplicate until they are repaired or so the system lets me know.  Will run update and see how it goes with cleaning now. 

But I didn't know that it didn't work on external drives.  My audio files is over 500 Gig, so is on external drive and my hard drive, was trying to copy over to external only but then ran into this mess, so now have 200 G on my hard drive and 350G on external and from my searching I found files that hadn't moved due to name too long file errors that are still on hard drive or MB seen as duplicate but actually wasn't but the album was unnamed.  So I have been using MB to clean up but not sure if I am making progress or not. But what I did was display filename and path along with the other standard files and going through by album and checking each one individually.  Time consuming but as my music is on 2 different drives I am finding that my files are everywhere so  with going through I can pick and choose which ones I keep, which ones I delete and make sure I get the entire album and not missing one track or update any missing information like title or artist if another copy has gotten it before I delete it.  There has to be an easier way to do this but for now I think this is the safest.  For now my delete file is going to a back up file and not actually delete unless it's more than 2 copies.  Any suggestions to clean this up would be great. 

Help with missing tags for old music or collections like Time Music or Top 100 of the 60's would be super helpful rather than listening to the song and trying to remember or looking up the lyrics and do searches for each one then deciding which artist and forget the album issue.  This is what happens when you copy other people's files and add to your own blindly when you didn't know better.  Or victim of a bad program.

Thanks so much, I'll get this mess cleaned up yet!  MB has been the best by far for help! The people on this forum have been great! and to know the creator is still in control and actually listens is amazing and why I recommend this over and over again.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: psychoadept on November 30, 2013, 04:39:30 PM
For IDing the untagged files, you might try a program like MusicBrainz' Picard, or another program that can scan the audio fingerprint and match it to the MusicBrainz database.  Be cautious at first, because there can still be mismatches, but I think for the majority of your files you will at least get an ID that way, and then you can do more precise tagging once you've got the bigger mess sorted out.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Amethystlover on November 30, 2013, 04:51:20 PM
I have been using that one and then another small free program called "Free Music Tag Finder" and have been able to find some of them.  The Tag Finder has found some of the old music or not popular stuff and old collection or K-Tel type files.  But still have more files to try.  The only problem with these type of programs is yes I get the name of the song and then the artist name "hopefully" and it wasn't a remake or "cover".  But now I have all of the these albums with just one track on them or my files with missing artist name or album name change so actually just moving from one incomplete folder to another.  I run searches for albums based on artist ie all the files with 1 - 5  tracks sort by album and see if anything comes up, who knows could be an album that I downloaded and the information didn't come through or from someone else. But it's the Various Artist files I have the most problems with, no idea how to search with all the different artists names for some unknown album.  One day I will get this done.  I'm home with nothing better to do I guess.  Name that tune for one is alright I guess ::)
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: djscottallen on November 30, 2013, 05:27:58 PM
It sounds like you're worse off than I was.  :o  I feel your pain lol.  I'm now back to my original library pretty much 18,000+ songs, 154gb.  I only had a handful of missing music tags, unless something happened that I didn't know about lol.  I just docked musicbee on the right and windows explorer on the left and compared music using the search bar.  I watched the file get deleted while deleting it in musicbee. Hard to explain, but the point was to first delete the copied music from the other locations that were NOT my main music library on drive D: Basic Files.  Any file in other location were 99% of the time duplicates. I just made sure they were and then deleted them one by one. Once I was down to ONE organized library location, that made it easier.  Then I just sent the duplicates to the inbox and deleted accordingly based on BITRATE, FILE SIZE, TRACK LENGTH, FILE NAME, ETC... Also, a combo of search bar and sorting the files by these criteria helped to weed out duplicates also.   It's still extremely time consuming, but I got it done fairly quickly. Sounds like you're doing the right thing with taggin your music. That's what I would do.  MB has that function already built in, but it doesn't work that great. I would say it's about 60% accurate. Anyways,  Good luck to you, it's not fun.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Amethystlover on November 30, 2013, 08:07:31 PM
I agree on the 60% time of being correct, sometimes just playing with possible name combination and it comes up. 

For now trying to organize my complete music file to one drive with no duplicates.  Going to be time consuming but keep finding little tricks along the way to speed it up.   Once I get the worst of this cleaned up and on my portable hard drive then will post my question on the best way to maintain the back up drive as main file.  I just want to be able to add music from any source ie down load a torrent/cd/disk/online from a shared folder have it save to my portable drive always but I want to be able to have access without the portable drive attached to my computer, so say my favourite tracks in my laptop's music file and not come up as duplicates, but I'm a ways away from that.

Making a list of wishes and bugs but will post when I'm sure it's not operator error.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: EnduringGuerila on December 03, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
You wanted push-back Steven, here it is. Removing an option that is already implemented is silly. The vast amount of options/customizability is what makes Musicbee a good player. You just removed one of the features I loved about it, and now I am going to downgrade to 2.2.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: themmm on January 18, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Hi!

Removing the Option killed the use of MusicBee for me totally. This was my Nr.1 reason why i switched from MediaMonkey to MusicBee!

Edit:

Ok now i am back in the game. I had to change my workflow on how i import new songs to the library.

I used to to import new songs from a usb-stick or external harddrive, by dropping the from the windows explorer into the "new files" (called "Neuzugang" in german) folder. Then i tagged them using the "Album Auto-Tag" feature (strg-shift-t) and afterwards they were copied to the Library automatically (and that didnt work anymore). Just to explain why i was a little angry about the change :).

[email protected] i think MusicBee is still the Best Software for managing and playing my music!
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Anti on January 18, 2014, 04:02:23 PM
Another user who fell foul of the option and asked for its removal:
http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=11741.msg71365#msg71365
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: Steven on February 09, 2014, 06:35:00 PM
see http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=11962.0
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: dylstew on February 13, 2014, 05:57:21 PM
heh, I never use automatic featrues like that because I'm afraid of things like this happening.
When I imported my library to musicbee, I noticed I made a lot of tagging errors that other music players didn't recognize, so I manually corrected them. This actually helped me in creating  an almost perfect library.

Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: lordlance on March 02, 2014, 02:53:22 PM
Hallo everybody. I upgraded MusicBee, and I found that warning about the option removed. I loved that function. I selected the "musictemp" folder, then putting there all the new music, than I went into MusicBee and let it to scan that folder, and copy the new music in my "official" auto-organized folder. Never a problem. I had a good library, this way.
Then I'm here to ask: what I have to do to keep working in a similar way?
And, if I can't, what is the "new way"? Do I need to copy the new, non-organized files in my organized music folder, then go in MusicBee, and make a RESCAN, choosing the same folder for the scan function AND the "add to the library"?

Help me to understand this, I don't like to lose music files 'cause the software doesn't copy the files in my organized music folder...
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: redwing on March 02, 2014, 03:25:19 PM
You could either use computer node in left navigator and select files> right click> Send to> Folder copy command with MB or just use Windows Explorer to copy files to a folder and then import to MB. As long as you keep original files outside of MB monitored folders, either way would be fine.

The reason the feature was removed was that some people tend to keep their music folder monitored with copy option enabled. Then the same files keep getting imported to library and turned into tons of duplicates.
Title: Re: Library is a mess now after coming over from iTunes. Please help!!
Post by: psychoadept on March 02, 2014, 04:12:46 PM
You can also restore the feature using the method suggested here: http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=11962.0#new

As long as it continues to work for you, great.  If you start seeing duplicates, time to switch it off.