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General => MusicBee Wishlist => Topic started by: marlonob on August 25, 2013, 09:51:23 PM

Title: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: marlonob on August 25, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
Hi. I like very much the ability to group the Album and Tracks view by a given tag. Currently, the behaviour implies that every grouping field means a new album. So, I propouse that an option exists to indicate that a given group doesn’t break an album, but is a tracklist heading. I’ll explain myself:

There are the SETSUBTITLE and the GROUPING tags that indicate a disc subtitle and a group of tracks in an album, respectively. When I try to make them show up in the library (in the Album and Tracks view settings), this will only shows them for the first track, so, I have them set in the grouping preferences. This however, shows me this

(http://i42.tinypic.com/2n80s3t.jpg)

Including an option to make the GROUPING tag a tracklist heading instead of an album break, will move it from alongside the album cover to the tracklist like this

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2hsakad.png)

And something alike for the SETSUBTITLE:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/110dcgn.jpg)

It would be ideal that for every new heading, MB check if the tags for display in the left area are the same that those in the first, so it can display again those that differ (being album art or not).

For example, this is an album with an special edition (with bonus tracks and different cover).

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2s1kkm0.jpg)

And this is an album with the same cover but with tracks from a different edition (a japanese one).

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2cdtwlw.jpg)

And other with different cover and edition.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/1z300mt.jpg)

I hope not have been too redundant with the pictures, just not sure if the idea was clearly expressed (sorry for my english, by the way).

I think this may be implemented with a checkbox alongside the fields in the sorting/grouping settings (and maybe there a custom font option).

So, what do you think? Anyone also wanting something like this?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: ma_t14 on August 25, 2013, 11:52:26 PM
The images are not showing for me
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: marlonob on August 26, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Oh, I’m sorry. I uploaded them to another server; hope they are showing properly now…
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on August 26, 2013, 03:51:23 PM
Big +1. I requested something similar to this a few weeks ago, but your more detailed proposal is better and more thorough. Pictures illustrate it well.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on August 26, 2013, 05:08:38 PM
+1
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on August 26, 2013, 06:02:22 PM
Actually, as this topic is better suited to the task than mine, I'm going to tack on the additional request for disc number to also be a configurable tracklist heading.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Bee-liever on August 27, 2013, 03:44:39 AM
+1

I use Disc# in grouping and a complex arrangement of virtual tags to achieve something similar:

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/655/5ukq.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/5ukq.jpg/)

Header [variable]
Code
$If($And(<Disc#>>=2,<Album Complete?>="Y"),$If($Or(<Genre>="Classical",<Album Artist>="Various Artists"),<Album>,<Album Artist>),$If(<Genre>="Classical",$If(<Release Type>="Album [Compilation]",<Album>$IsNull(<Subtitle>,," • "<Subtitle>),<Composer Sort>$IsNull(<Release Type>,,$IsNull(<Conductor [surname]>,," ["<Conductor [surname]>]))" • "<Album>$IsNull(<Subtitle>,," • "<Subtitle>)),$If(<Album Artist>="Various Artists",<Album>$IsNull(<Subtitle>,," • "<Subtitle>),<Album Artist>)))

MultiDisc
Code
$If(<Disc Count>>=2,$If(<Disc#>=1,<Disc Count>" Disc Set • "$IsNull(<Set Subtitle>,"Disc "<Disc#>,"Disc "<Disc#>" - "<Set Subtitle>),$IsNull(<Set Subtitle>,"Disc "<Disc#>" of "<Disc Count>,"Disc "<Disc#>" - "<Set Subtitle>)),$IsNull(<Set Subtitle>,,<Set Subtitle>))

Album (subtitle)
Code
$IsNull(<Subtitle>,<Album>,<Album>" ["<Subtitle>])

the result:
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5076/798v.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/32/798v.jpg/)

having it as settings within MB to achieve something like marlonob's mock-ups would be so much easier
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on August 27, 2013, 08:31:47 AM
+1
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on August 27, 2013, 08:50:19 AM
i will do something with this for v2.2 although not promising to all the things requested
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Xyzzy on August 27, 2013, 08:51:29 AM
+1
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 19, 2013, 09:48:20 PM
i've done something quite simple for this where you can now specify a field for a sub-header, its font and contrast.
The sub-header only displays if its non-blank and when its value changes.
Keep in mind with the pictures above, its using a nicely set spacing. However there is a restriction that the spacing needs to be a multiple of the row height (usually 19px but depends on the font). I have set the spacing to 1 row.

Its in the next v2.2 update, and is missing skin override for the colouring but i will add that later
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 19, 2013, 10:22:23 PM
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_2/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip

you can use this skin element to override the default colour:
<element id="Content[AlbumAndTracks].SubHeader" fg="120,120,120" />
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on September 20, 2013, 01:14:18 AM
This is fantastic - thank you very much Steven!  :)

Two very small (I hope) additional requests. Could we please have a single empty row before the Sub-Header as well (unless there is already an empty space due to the presence of a second disc)? I feel this would make it look neater. And could clicking on a sub-header highlight the relevant tracks just like clicking on a grouping header does please? Even if these can't be done, this is a brilliant addition. Thanks again Steven!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Bee-liever on September 20, 2013, 04:28:04 AM
Thank you Steven
can be configured quite nicely

(http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4061/rih1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/rih1.jpg/)

BTW it doesn't work with the display first few tracks only option enabled. Is that planned or an over-sight?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 20, 2013, 08:02:35 AM
BTW it doesn't work with the display first few tracks only option enabled. Is that planned or an over-sight?
it was intentional on the basis that it was probably going to complicate things and i thought the new setting would take extra space so go against that option but will investigate it if there is a wish for it.

Two very small (I hope) additional requests. Could we please have a single empty row before the Sub-Header as well (unless there is already an empty space due to the presence of a second disc)? I feel this would make it look neater. And could clicking on a sub-header highlight the relevant tracks just like clicking on a grouping header does please? Even if these can't be done, this is a brilliant addition. Thanks again Steven!
the 2nd i was planning to do. The first, for the extra spacing does anyone else have an opinion on that?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 20, 2013, 11:13:07 AM
Hello,

This is a great feature, but I don't know if I'm doing something wrong. In "sub-grouping header", I can only choose one tag, and SETSUBTITLE isn't there. This is what I wanted to do:

1. Use GROUPING in a similar way as I use DISCNUMBER, so that I can see "Disc 1", "Disc 2", etc. displayed.
2. Use SETSUBTITLE for the bonus tracks, for example.

This is what I manage to do now:

1. I get the tracks separated by an empty space thanks to the DISCNUMBER tag. I can't see "Disc 1" and "Disc 2" displayed, which isn't a big deal, unless, as in the examples given by marlonob, each disc has a specific name.

2. I use GROUPING not for each disc, but to specify the bonus tracks.

Is there something I'm missing here? Thanks!

(Note: I’m testing this feature with a particular album. I’m using an external tool for the tags and then I’m forced to rescan the whole library, which takes a long time. Is there a way to rescan just an album? I’ve tried to untick a certain folder where I have most of my albums, but MB keeps rescanning the whole contents of my library.)
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 20, 2013, 11:21:45 AM
About my note at the end of my previous post. If I double-click on the name of the album, on the three-column list, and then I click on "Send to", then something called "File rescan", but nothing seems to happen.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Bee-liever on September 20, 2013, 11:33:10 AM
the new setting would take extra space so go against that option but will investigate it if there is a wish for it.
I'm good with the way it is myself
Thanks for clarifying the reasoning behind it.  I wasn't sure if it was a bug or not.

@ vivadavid
highlight your album, right-click> Send To> File Rescan should work
or you could try navigating to the folder in the LH computer node>right-click>Rescan Files
For the sub-grouping, it would be a lot easier to see what you are trying to achieve, if you could post a shot or two of your settings please
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 20, 2013, 12:02:39 PM
@Bee-liever, I have managed to rescan a particular album by going to the Album and tracks panel and clicking on album art. All the tracks get selected and rescanning works. I wished I could rescan from the three-column list, because if I edit the tags of a particular artist, I could rescan all the albums at the same time.

As for the sub-grouping headers, what I mean is that, if I go to Album and tracks Layout, I can only set one tag, and not two (SETSUBTITLE and GROUPING, for example); also, SETSUBTITLE isn't available. What I was hoping to do is use the GROUPING tag to set DISC 1 and DISC 2 and use SETSUBTITLE to set BONUS TRACKS inside DISC 2. As I said, it's not a big deal: I can use DISCNUMBER to create the space between tracks (normally discs don't have a particular name, but DISC 1 and DISC 2) and use GROUPING to set the bonus tracks.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Bee-liever on September 20, 2013, 12:29:30 PM
@ vivadavid
if you use Library Explorer and right-click an Artist, you can rescan files there as well
have you set SETSUBTITLE as a custom tag? it won't be available in the drop-down until you do

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/631/7iqy.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/7iqy.jpg/)

"The Surplus Maximus EP" is the Set Subtitle tag
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 20, 2013, 12:51:28 PM
@Bee-liever

1. I've tried using the Libraty Explorer, but nothing happens: the files aren't rescanned.

2. I've just created a custom tag, a concept that I didn't know. At first, I had a problem, though, because I clicked on "Define new tags", I typed SETSUBTITLE and I didn't get this tag in other places in MB. Instead, I just typed SETSUBTITLE in Tags (1) ==> Custom tag 3 and now it works. Should I go again to New Custom Tag Definition and I delete what I wrote there? I don't understand why custom tags can be created in two different places.

I have another question: if SETSUBTITLE doesn't seem to be a standard tag and MB only allows you to use one tag for sub-grouping header, wouldn't it make more sense to get rid of SETSUBTITLE and just use GROUPING for your bonus tracks (or for DISC 1 and DISC 2 if you want to see these labels)?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Bee-liever on September 20, 2013, 01:26:54 PM
@ vivadavid
sorry. I thought you knew about custom tags
SETSUBTITLE is a standard tag, just not used by everyone, that's why you have to put it into the custom tags
It's already in MB, you just have to assign it a tag slot

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/175/m7g9.jpg)

put SETSUBTITLE in the LH column (or whatever you want - I used the same as MB) and Set Subtitle will be an available choice in the RH column. Save and restart and SETSUBTITLE will be in the menus

I'm using a virtual tag I created, MultiDisc, that displays the disc# and setsubtitle (if available) for my sub-grouping. • Limited Edition • in my previous pic (under the album title) is also using the Subtitle tag.

I suppose it's down to how little or how much you want to customise the look of MB

+ have look at my post back here (http://getmusicbee.com/forum/index.php?topic=10550.msg63182#msg63182) and you can see where I used Disc# in my grouping before. I've just changed it around a bit to take advantage of the new setting. You could use Disc# to separate your discs into albums and setsubtitle for your bonus tracks on each disc.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on September 20, 2013, 01:29:35 PM
Two very small (I hope) additional requests. Could we please have a single empty row before the Sub-Header as well (unless there is already an empty space due to the presence of a second disc)? I feel this would make it look neater. And could clicking on a sub-header highlight the relevant tracks just like clicking on a grouping header does please? Even if these can't be done, this is a brilliant addition. Thanks again Steven!
The 2nd I was planning to do. The first, for the extra spacing does anyone else have an opinion on that?

Great news about the second request. My request for the first was based solely on how albums like this currently look:

[IMAGE DELETED FOR SPACE-SAVING REASONS]

I feel that this looks quite inconsistent and would be improved with an extra space.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 20, 2013, 02:06:11 PM
@ Pingaware

I see your point, but personally I prefer the empty space to separate the tracks from different CDs. If it could be made optional, everyone could set it the way he wants.

@ Bee-liever

Using virtual tags seems interesting, though I wouldn’t like to mess up with things too much. I’ve seen your previous post again, and for me it’d be essential for the album cover to be displayed just once. I guess I don’t need both tags, and I can just use GROUPING or SETSUBTITLE for bonus tracks, etc, since the division, the emty space, is already created by DISCNUMBER.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 20, 2013, 07:20:57 PM
I feel that this looks quite inconsistent and would be improved with an extra space.
can you confirm the extra space is because the disc number has changed and if so, as vivadavid suggest i could change the spacing between discs to be optional
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 20, 2013, 07:34:03 PM
@Steven,

Well, I meant making optional the space before a particular set of tracks, as defined by GROUPING or SETSUBTITLE. I think everything will agree the space to separate diferent discs of an album is always useful, although, of course, if it's made optional too, that'd be fine.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: beeing good on September 20, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
This is really great, thanks for implementing it Steven.
I would just like to request the title to be clickable so that it selects that group (same goes for separate discs).

Now I just need to go through my whole library and retag as necessary  :-\
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on September 20, 2013, 11:58:54 PM
I feel that this looks quite inconsistent and would be improved with an extra space.
Can you confirm the extra space is because the disc number has changed and if so, as vivadavid suggest I could change the spacing between discs to be optional

No, the extra space there is inserted after the end of the grouping to to show the end of the grouping. See picture below.

[IMAGE DELETED FOR SPACE-SAVING REASONS]

All of the tracks are on the same disc. The first grouping (Chapter One) is highlighted in blue. There is then a space after the end of the first grouping before the next track. Then after the next track is the second grouping (Chapter Two), highlighted in green. If possible, I would like a space before the heading of the second grouping, where the red line is, to improve the appearance of the library. However...

[IMAGE DELETED FOR SPACE-SAVING REASONS]

In this instance, where all of the second disc has been grouped as highlighted by the blue, I don't feel that a space should be put in before as this would look strange. Hopefully I've been a bit clearer this time!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 21, 2013, 07:58:35 AM
i have already added an option to insert an extra space before the sub-header in the next v2.2 update.

but i still dont understand why the spacing is being inserted between 05 and 06. Is it there is you disable the sub-header?
There is then a space after the end of the first grouping before the next track.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 21, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
this has the extra spacing option for the sub-header, and clicking the sub-header now selects the relevant tracks (not done for the change of disc gap)
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_2/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip

it also fixes a bug where the sub-header wasnt working if you have "do not show artwork for albums with less than X tracks" enabled
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 21, 2013, 12:00:06 PM
This is great, Steven: thanks!

However, I'd like to know what the others think about something. In cases where an album consists of two CDs and there are some bonus tracks at the end of the second disc, I think it'd make more sense if the space between the bonus tracks and the rest of the tracks of the second disc were smaller than the space between the tracks of the first CD and those of the second CD. After all, there's a closer connection between these two groups of tracks in the second disc.

Look at this example, and tell me, guys, if it wouldn't look more consistent if the second space were smaller (maybe half?) than the first space:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/space_sub_head.png

The way it is now would make me think that there are three discs and that the bonus tracks are in the third CD.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 21, 2013, 12:25:26 PM
its not possible to have variable height spacing
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 21, 2013, 12:31:15 PM
Well, in that case, I'll see whether it's best for me to have a space or not. Thanks anyway!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Zak on September 21, 2013, 01:47:26 PM
I think it'd make more sense if the space between the bonus tracks and the rest of the tracks of the second disc were smaller than the space between the tracks of the first CD and those of the second CD.
I think that's over-complicating it. I also can't think of any simple way to indicate which heading should get a "full" gap and which should get a "half" gap.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 21, 2013, 01:59:31 PM
Well, I would have thought a full space before DISCNUMBER and half the space before a subheader, but I've tried it again without the space for the subheader and the separation is enough for me: it looks good!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on September 21, 2013, 07:50:04 PM
I have already added an option to insert an extra space before the sub-header in the next v2.2 update.

But I still don't understand why the spacing is being inserted between 05 and 06. Is it there that you disable the sub-header?
There is then a space after the end of the first grouping before the next track.


This is brilliant, thanks very much Steven. And yes, it is between 5 and 6 that I disable the sub-header.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: paq on September 21, 2013, 09:49:50 PM
Haven't been around here for a while but now I'm back and just want to say thanks for this feature! It makes multi-disc albums look great! :)

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/hncwsxg4jxr6eti/disc-sub-header.png)
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: marlonob on September 21, 2013, 10:04:00 PM
¡Thanks Steven!

I just hope you could keep in mind extend this feature (like more than one subheading, and the display in the left other fields that may have changed). I hope this don’t sound rude in english; it’s not meant that way: I know this could be too problematic, or too specific to my needs (or both), and I understand it.

You’ve made me very happy. Thank you again.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on September 22, 2013, 02:04:13 AM
I'm already retagging everything with Disc Subtitles!

I'm having the same problem with the contrast setting for the new subheading as I have for the album details in this view - when I change the contrast, the text gets darker rather than lighter (sort of like the default black text is showing through, rather than the background color of the skin).
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 22, 2013, 02:27:18 AM
I guess probably lots of people are using some sort of virtual tag, along with a few custom tags, for this new feature. Would be great if direct input of virtual formula is possible for sub-grouping header.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on September 22, 2013, 04:41:11 AM
I guess probably lots of people are using some sort of virtual tag, along with a few custom tags, for this new feature. Would be great if direct input of virtual formula is possible for sub-grouping header.

+1

Also, to see what I mean about contrast, try changing it in the updated Mellon Remix skin.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 22, 2013, 07:25:21 AM
Did some tests, and it seems the contrast setting works the opposite way for skins with light background color for Album and Tracks layout when the element is set.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 22, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
I'm having the same problem with the contrast setting for the new subheading as I have for the album details in this view - when I change the contrast, the text gets darker rather than lighter (sort of like the default black text is showing through, rather than the background color of the skin).
if you are refering only to when you use the skin override element, then that is fixed for the next v2.2 update. In the interim if you set the bg attribute of that element to the same colour as the background it should work
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Thorbjorn on September 22, 2013, 01:06:33 PM
Selecting by sub-header seems to have a bug.

Here it works fine on the first disc:
http://i.imgur.com/8VSgkfT.png

When I select the second disc it also includes tracks from a different album:
http://i.imgur.com/7mQtiVk.png
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Kaelri on September 22, 2013, 03:40:59 PM
Many thanks for adding this, Steven - I've been really looking forward to it.

This is actually great for videos, as well. I have a number of TV series in my library that also include companion media (movies, webisodes, etc), and it's really helpful to view each installment as a distinct unit:

(http://files.kaelri.com/screenshots/20130922_MusicBeeSubtitles.png)
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: beeing good on September 22, 2013, 06:59:36 PM
I didn't even think about using a custom tag with this. Amazing.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 22, 2013, 07:57:49 PM
this should fix the contrast issue and clicking the sub-header selecting the wrong files for certain setttings:
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_2/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: ma_t14 on September 24, 2013, 09:43:28 PM
Is there any way to change the alignment of a tag that is used as a column in the main view?

I am asking this because with the current implementation if you have the fields to be displayed under the artwork the subheading looks a bit better in the regard track numbers appear slightly more inwards than the subheading text itself.

(http://i.imgur.com/WAqcLez.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/B37ogKC.jpg)  


On the other hand if you have have the fields appear on the right of artwork the subheading and track numbers are effectively aligned, which is not as pleasing visually

(http://i.imgur.com/G6kJFVK.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/7tMw3ww.jpg)  

If there was a way to change the alignment of  the track no. column from left-aligned to right-aligned you will be able to change the alignment between the subheading and the tags manually. On the other hand it seems as if the track no. acts as a column for the subheading as well so not sure if this idea would solve the problem.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 24, 2013, 10:07:26 PM
You can use this trick for that as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZUuAaiv.png)

1. Go to Preferences> Layout (1)> Configure Fields
2. Pick up a field you will most likely never use. My selection was "keywords" field.
3. Rename the field to anything you like. I just made it blank.
4. Add the field to main panel and position it at the beginning of column header.
5. Now you can (1) sort by "group by" field by clicking on the column and (2) resize left margin of track list by adjusting the column.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 24, 2013, 10:09:20 PM
@ma_t14,
i will wait for others comments but i am happy to indent the sub-header to the left when fields are displayed on the right. Its an oversight that its not consistent. I want to avoid adding more options

this fixes a couple of bugs when using album & tracks layout on the now playing right sidebar and sizing of artwork in the album and tracks main panel:
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_2/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: ma_t14 on September 24, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
You can use this trick for that as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZUuAaiv.png)

1. Go to Preferences> Layout (1)> Configure Fields
2. Pick up a field you will most likely never use. My selection was "keywords" field.
3. Rename the field to anything you like. I just made it blank.
4. Add the field to main panel and position it at the beginning of column header.
5. Now you can (1) sort by "group by" field by clicking on the column and (2) resize left margin of track list by adjusting the column.

Actually that's a pretty good idea, thanks!

@Steven

I will use what redwing proposed and unless you feel some change is needed regarding the alignment I am completely fine with the current solution.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on September 25, 2013, 01:51:48 AM
Don't forget that you can use the Configure Fields pop-up from Layout (1) to change the alignment of any column.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: ma_t14 on September 25, 2013, 01:59:04 AM
Don't forget that you can use the Configure Fields pop-up from Layout (1) to change the alignment of any column.

Thank you! That's what I was looking for originally. It works perfectly, so I guess my question has been answered completely (in more ways than one and that's why I love MB :P )
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: beeing good on September 25, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
Slightly off topic but can someone help with this tag?

$IsNull(<Disc Title>,,<Disc Title>" - ")$IsNull(<Comment>,,<Comment>)

It works perfectly except the " - " part, if it only has a disc title and no comment then it shows the ' - ' but it shouldn't.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Thorbjorn on September 25, 2013, 03:25:16 PM
You have to nest them. Something like this:
$IsNull(<Disc Title>,$IsNull(<Comment>,,<Comment>),$IsNull(<Comment>,<Disc Title>,<Disc Title> - <Comment>))

I'm not at home so I can't test it.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: beeing good on September 25, 2013, 03:44:33 PM
Thanks mrad, I did try that but if there is only a comment and no disc title then it still displays an erroneous ' - '.

Thorbjorn, that seems to be working exactly as wanted. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: mrad on September 25, 2013, 04:11:29 PM
[Sorry, I was still editing - to get this final simplified version]

It works perfectly except the " - " part, if it only has a disc title and no comment then it shows the ' - ' but it shouldn't.
or perhaps move the (" - ") like so ...
Quote
change ...
$IsNull(<Disc Title>,,<Disc Title>" - ")$IsNull(<Comment>,,<Comment>)
to ...
$IsNull(<Disc Title>,,<Disc Title>)$IsNull(<Comment>,," - "<Comment>)
so that the " - " is appended only when there *is* a comment to display. However, if <Disc Title> is null and a <Comment> exists, then the " - " will display first.

So, the following expands further on your original to consider an empty <Disk Title> ...
Quote
$IsNull(<Disc Title>,,<Disc Title>)$IsNull(<Comment>,,$IsNull(<Disc Title>,," - ")<Comment>)

Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: beeing good on September 25, 2013, 04:30:39 PM
Thank you mrad, I knew I would have to put another IsNull in there somewhere but I couldn't work out where it needed to go.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 25, 2013, 09:02:16 PM
Hello, I’ve just found a problem. I’d really appreciate somebody’s help.

I have an album consisting of two CDs:

CD 1: tracks 1-25.
CD 2: tracks 26-38.

These tracks correspond to different films:

My girl Tisa: tracks 1-9.
South of St. Louis: tracks 10-25.
Cloak And Dagger: track 26.
Distant Drums: tracks 27-28.

I have used the tags DISCNUMBER (with values 1 or 2) and GROUPING.

And this is what I’ve got. Here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/missing_track1.png

And here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/missing_track2.png

As you can see, some tracks are missing, those corresponding to the first track after a subheader (1, 10, 26, 27).

Also, I can’t remember if I was supposed to have "Disc 1" and "Disc 2" displayed orif the DISCNUMBER tag only creates an empty line.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 12:50:46 AM
Not sure what's going on there, but the status bar says those tracks are indeed 34 only.
Now try the following:
Turn off track browser, switch to track details layout, and sort by album. How many tracks are listed under that album?
If that's still 34, what's your grouping setting for album under Preferences> Sorting/Grouping?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 09:56:04 AM
Thanks for your answer, redwing,

In Track detail mode, I couldn't see the total number of tracks per album, so I turned on, in Other tracks, the Track Count tag. As you can see, it shows 38 tracks:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/total_tracks1.png

However, if I select the whole album, it says "selected: 34 files":

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/total_tracks2.png

These are the preferences you waned to see:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/sorting_grouping.png

And maybe you want to this configuration too:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/albums_tracks.png

Thanks so much! I really don't know what's wrong here.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 10:06:08 AM
OK: this is an unexpected turn of events.

I've been doing some more tests, and I have the feeling that MB isn't displaying tracks containing the words "main title". I don't know if this came with the latest MB beta or if I've done something to the settings that I'm not aware of.

In any case, the issue isn't related to subheaders, because I've turned them off and I still can't see those tracks.

Any ideas/suggestions?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 10:21:15 AM
tracks containing the words "main title"

What do you mean by that? In what tags?

And check if your 38 tracks all have the same <album artist>.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
All tracks have the same ALBUM and ARTIST tags.

What I meant is that the tracks not being displayed in MB are:

01 Main Title.mp3
10 Main Title.mp3
26 Overture.mp3
27 Main Title - Prologue - Lt. Tufts' Mission.mp3

And actually, I talked too soon because there's a track not containing "main title", so there's nothing common between all the tracks not being displayed, except for the fact that they are the first tracks after each subheader. The funny thing is that I've removed the GROUPING and DISCNUMBER tags, I've disabled the subheader function, and I still can't see those tracks.

This is crazy, so I've been doing more tests.

1. I've renamed the first track using a random non-existent name, I've rescanned the whole libray, I've used the search box to find it and the file isn't anywhere.
2. I've used a clean "installation" of MB 2.1 portable, I've created a new library contanining the same folder and subfolders that I have in my actual library, I've scanned those folders and all 38 tracks are displayed.

I'm lost here... Given the fact that the missing tracks are the first tracks in every subheader (using the GROUPING tag), there must be some connection, even if the problem is still there after removing the tags and disabling the subheader function.

Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 11:39:47 AM
There are some confusions here:

1. I meant <Album Artist> field, not <Album> and <Artist> field. Add the field to main panel and check the values because you selected the field in defining "album."
2. <Track Count> is what you typed for each track that means nothing here. What you want to see is <Album Track Count> field to see how MB counts the album's tracks.
3. As I asked before, turn off track browser, switch to track details layout, and sort by album to see how many tracks have that <album> value. Then add all relevant fields to main panel to figure out what's going on.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 11:50:51 AM
1. I never use <ALBUM ARTIST>. I've always used <ARTIST>, and it's the same value for all the tracks in the album.
2. I've added <ALBUM TRACK COUNT> as a column on the Track Detail view and it says 34 tracks, so it doesn't recognize the 4 missing.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
Then can you post a screenshot that shows all 38 tracks in track details layout with relevant fields?

And just to make sure, try this: remove <album artist> from Sorting/Grouping settings, leaving <album name> alone there, then check out <Album track count> again to see if that's the same 34.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 12:28:00 PM
You can see here I don't use those tags:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/sorting_grouping_preferences.png

(Until this morning, I had, under Grouping, the second choice marked, but I've changed it to "files for each album are organised in their own folder". In any case, if I mark again the second option, I can't change "1. Album artist" and "2. Album name".)

To give you a screenshot of my 38 tracks, I need to show you captions from MP3tag (for example):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption1.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption2.png

(You can see that everything looks fine.)

I've rescanned again my whole library and this is what the Track detail view shows:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/track_details1.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/total_tracks2.png

As you can see, the four tracks I mentioned before are missing.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 12:36:15 PM
Yeah, I don't see anything unusual from those screenshots.
Would you add "Album Artist" field and "Grouping" field to that?
And to remove "Album Artist" field from grouping setting, click on the small box next to the field and select "blank" at the top.
 
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 12:44:59 PM
"Would you add "Album Artist" field and "Grouping" field to that?"

Do you mean adding these tags to the tracks of the album or to the columns of the Track detail view?

"And to remove "Album Artist" field from grouping setting, click on the small box next to the field and select "blank" at the top."

Yes, I can make it blank, but I can't change it to another tag like <ARTIST>. I guess MB automatically analyzes <ALBUM ARTIST> and, if not found, reads <ARTIST>. In any case, I have marked the first option (files for each album are organised in their own folder).

Thanks for taking the time to help me!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 12:58:03 PM
"Would you add "Album Artist" field and "Grouping" field to that?"

Do you mean adding these tags to the tracks of the album or to the columns of the Track detail view?

Either track details view or mp3tag main panel would be fine.

And please add <Album> field too.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 01:11:40 PM
There's a option in MP3tag to delete all tags, and I've run it in case there are hidden corrupted tags. Then, I've manually added the tags again, I've rescaned, and I get the same result.

Here are the captions you requested:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption3.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption4.png

Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 01:16:12 PM
And still MB shows the same with either Album & Tracks layout or <Album Track Count> field?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
In Track detail view, MB still displays only 34 out of the 38 tracks of the album, and <ALBUM TRACK COUNT> shows "34" as value.

I really have no idea what's going on here.

Do you agree that it must be connected to the subgrouping header? It'd be too much of a coincidence if it were not.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
Subgrouping header is no longer relevant, I think, since you removed grouping field values for all those tracks.

Still I don't understand why you can't set just with "album name" for Grouping setting. Because you selected folder for defining album, now we need to delve into how your folders are structured. But if you can set only with "album name", it would be much easier.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 02:28:48 PM
OK, I have the tracks back, but it's really weird how it happened.

Before the explanation, I wanted to tell you that this morning I retagged a different album using MP3tag: as a result, I changed the name of the album and the name of the containing folder. And, well, the thing is that MB couldn't find or display this album: IT VANISHED.

Now, both problems (the missing tracks and the missing album) have been sorted out by removing the sorting rules. As you can see, the table is empty now;:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/sorting.png

I have no idea how this sorting rules could cause my problem with tracks not being displayed. I thought the rules were just a quick way to tell MB  how to organize the albums in the main panel: am I wrong?

Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 02:32:48 PM
Try adding the sorting rules again to see what happens.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 04:10:11 PM
OK, I have created both rules again and everything seems to be working fine.

Any idea why I had this problem?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
I think you know that.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 04:29:04 PM
No, I don't.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 04:34:53 PM
OK, then, why did you remove some tags with mp3tag when I asked you to add <album artist> field?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 04:44:54 PM
Well, when you mentioned something the album artist tag (which I never use), I remembered that, in the past, I had encountered MP3 tracks with hidden tags that caused problems, so I decided to delete all the tags, but the problem was still there. I had to remove the sorting rules and only then I saw the tracks back.

In any case, I won't touch anything else hoping that I won't have the same problem again. Thank you for your help and suggestions!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 04:57:11 PM
I decided to delete all the tags, but the problem was still there. I had to remove the sorting rules and only then I saw the tracks back.

You know why the problem was still there. That's because your album setting was still set to "folder." So I asked you to change it. Then what you did?

You changed it, but, for whatever reason, you've never mentioned it, only saying you removed the sorting rules. Then you're asking me what happened?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 05:12:54 PM
Redwing, in my message at 09:56:04 AM, you can see the settings I had when I first described my problem:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/sorting_grouping.png

I did switch, at some point, to "files for each album are organised in their own folder", but I did it later and only because I was just trying all the options. When I realized about my problem yesterday for the first time, my settings were “the following fields define an album: album artist & album name". With these settings, my tracks weren’t displayed yesterday and with these same settings I have my tracks back now.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 05:15:36 PM
I know. You returned to your original album settings. Then what's changed? What made the missing tracks included in the album?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 26, 2013, 05:27:33 PM
Let's stop it here. Only you know what you did. I never had a chance to see what values were in album artist field of those tracks.

I was trying to help you, but I don't feel good. I feel like I just wasted my time.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 06:29:49 PM
If my settings were the same before and after, I don't know what happened. Either I changed, during my tests, a particular setting somewhere or there were hidden tracks that were causing a conflict, but that doesn't explain why only four tracks weren't displayed and why these tracks were the first ones under every subheader.

You asked me for information and for captions of my settings and the values of my tags and I did send them to you, so I was paying attention to your messages.

You complain that "I never had a chance to see what values were in album artist field of those tracks" but I did send you the captions in my message at 01:11:40 PM:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption3.png
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption4.png

The <ALBUM ARTIST> column was empty because there was nothing: there was no tag with such a name.

I regret you feel you wasted your time. It wasn’t my intention, and if you read again today’s posts, you’ll realize that you were requesting things and I would give them to you as much as I could.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 26, 2013, 08:59:24 PM
@vivadavid, i dont have time to read through this message trail and not completely clear if its solved or not. Its seems redwing has spent quite a bit of effort trying to help you out.
In case its not already been suggested - make sure the files are in your library (use the track details layout, show the url or filename field in the main panel, sort by that and check the files are there). If they are then check the tags used for sorting are consistent, including the header field(s) and the fields you use to group an album in the Sorting/ Grouping preferences.
if you still cant figure it out perhaps other forum members will spend more time with you on it.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 26, 2013, 09:13:59 PM
@Steven

I don't have the problem any more. I tried changing different settings, I deleted and rewrote the tags of the album, and nothing, and at some point, I went back to my previous settings and everything worked fine again unexpectedly.

I wish I could say I know what the problem was but I'm not sure. As I said in my previous post, either I didn't switch to my previous settings and I changed, during my tests, a particular setting or there were hidden tracks that were causing a conflict, but that doesn't explain why only four tracks weren't displayed and why these tracks were the first ones under every subheader.

In any case, I don’t want to bother you guys any more with this. Thanks!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 27, 2013, 03:35:50 AM
You asked me for information and for captions of my settings and the values of my tags and I did send them to you, so I was paying attention to your messages.

Maybe you paid attention, but you didn't follow my instructions many times, making changes on your own. That's why I feel I wasted my time.

You complain that "I never had a chance to see what values were in album artist field of those tracks" but I did send you the captions in my message at 01:11:40 PM:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption3.png
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17615125/foros/Musicbee/caption4.png

The <ALBUM ARTIST> column was empty because there was nothing: there was no tag with such a name.

Of course they were empty because you had removed them. I had asked you to simply add <album artist> field and <grouping> field for the screenshot, then why did you all of sudden decide to remove "hidden" tags? That's the moment your problem was solved and later you saw that after getting your album settings back.

------------

Now, let's recreate the whole thing again. This time, DO NOT touch anything else on your own during this test. Do not change album settings or sorting rules. Do not change tag values on your own.

1. Select the four missing tracks (you remember what they are)
2. Open tag editor and enter some words in <Album Artist> field. But the value should be different from the <Artist> value. Save it.
3. Now confirm the four tracks are missing from Album and Tracks layout just like the moment when you first noticed the problem.
4. <Album Track Count> is now 34 in any layout.
5. Select the four missing tracks from Track Details layout. Open tag editor again, remove the values from <album artist> tag. Save it.
6. Now confirm everything gets back to normal with 38 for <Album Track Count>.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on September 27, 2013, 08:37:33 AM
one thing to keep in mind is the main panel is not resorted (intentional) after saving tags. You would need to press F5 or click the refresh button to see the full effect
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 27, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
@Redwing

I've followed all your steps and everything happened as expected. It's true that I did send you the captions after I deleted all the tags: you were asking me to try things and, at the same time, I kept having ideas that I wanted to put in practice. I guess I should have reported my problem once I had exhausted all my ideas, though when wrote my first post, I was completely lost. I apologize.

Having said that, I'm almost completely sure that there was no <ALBUM ARTIST> in that album because I don't like this tag and I make sure I delete it sistematically. It could have been the case that this tag was hidden if there's certainly such a thing as a hidden tag (I came up with this idea of hidden tags because I had once a problem in the Winamp library and somehow I fixed it by removing all the tags using that feature in MP3tag).

There's a big difference, though, between today's scenario and yesterday's. Today I could see the other tracks somewhere else, in a different group: I could, for example, search for track 27, which has a distinctive name. However, yesterday it wasn't the case that these four tracks were somewhere else: they just disappeared from the library as far as I could see.

If you're still interested, I could ask my brother to send me the album again, with the tags intact, as I keep a copy of my library in a hard drive in his flat.

Thanks!



@Steven

I'll take into account what you said about <F5>. What I did before, when I rescanned an album, was to go somewhere else in the library and move back in order to refresh the information.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 27, 2013, 11:13:28 AM
OK. I have a theory about it, but I'd like to see the files first. Only two files would be enough: 1-01 & 1-02 track. If you PM me those files with original tags intact, I will have a look.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 27, 2013, 11:16:21 AM
Thanks, redwing. As soon as I contact my brother and he sends me the files, I'll PM you.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 27, 2013, 11:30:35 AM
Oh, one more thing: that album in my other hard drive doesn't have <DISCNUMBER> and <GROUPING>. Should I add these tags before I PM? Should I do anything else to them?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 27, 2013, 12:01:05 PM
No, they are irrelevant. Just PM me them without touching original tags at all.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 27, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
I've just sent you a PM, redwing! I hope you can get some conclusions from having a look at the tracks.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 27, 2013, 10:28:36 PM
I've replaced the new version of the album with the old one containing my original tags and MB identifies all the 38 tracks.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 27, 2013, 11:14:02 PM
I just got them, but there's nothing unusual. Can you reproduce your original problem with them?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 27, 2013, 11:47:47 PM
redwing, I've been touching here and there and I can't reproduce the problem: I have no idea what happened. The funny thing is that the problematic tracks were the first tracks under every subheader: those are the tracks that vanished. I guess I must have done something wrong with the subgrouping header. At least, now it works.

It's not the first time, though, that I find an issue and I can't reproduce it later. For example, the Sent to ==> File Rescan feature doesn't always work for me and I always use it the same way. Earlier today I thought I had found the pattern for the bug, but then I couldn't reproduce it and I didn't report anything. This causes the same frustration that you feel when you have been persistently experiencing a problem with your computer, you take it to the technician and your laptop works smoothly.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 27, 2013, 11:59:04 PM
OK. As long as it's working well, that's fine.

If you use MB's auto-organizing feature, you might want to re-organize the whole music files of yours with a different file-naming template. Make sure you include all tracks for re-organization by unticking "do not reorganize files with missing naming tags."
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 28, 2013, 12:15:27 AM
Thanks for the advice, although so far, I'm happy with my current scheme. Every album is stored in a single folder:

<ARTIST> - <ALBUM>

And every track corresponds to the structrure:

[TRACK] [TITLE]

Sometimes I think about replacing <ARTIST> with <ALBUMARTIST, and using <ARTIST> for those tracks in a particular album played by a different person (for example, the credits song at the end of a film), but I can see that using <ARTIST> and <ALBUMARTIST> in your library can cause conflicts.

I can see that MB is flexible when it comes to <ARTIST> and <ALBUMARTIST>. For example, when I'm on the main panel, using the Artwork view, there doesn't seem to make a difference if I choose "Group by artist" or "Group by album artist". I guess that, in my case, MB tries to find <ALBUMARTIST>, it doesn't find it and uses <ARTIST> instead.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 28, 2013, 02:21:21 AM
My suggestion was for forcing to update file links to help resolve the occasional problem you mentioned. I never meant your current file-naming scheme is a faulty one. Even with adding or removing a space to the template, you can update all file links with new URLs.
 
Regarding <album artist> field, it wouldn't matter as long as you keep the field blank. Just keep in mind, though, if you get files with different values in that field that could cause a problem because of your album grouping setting.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 28, 2013, 10:51:11 AM
I had misunderstood you, redwing. Do you mean Tools ==> Organise files? I had never seen this feature before. I suppose it's useful for those cases where people music's is everywhere in their hard disks and they want to move everything together. Does it serve another purpose?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: redwing on September 28, 2013, 11:01:44 AM
So you don't auto-organize tracks with MB. In that case, rescan would update file links with "rescan files already in the library" option ticked.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: vivadavid on September 28, 2013, 12:10:43 PM
Yes, this is what I use: Rescan with that option ticked.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on September 28, 2013, 09:51:38 PM
BTW it doesn't work with the display first few tracks only option enabled. Is that planned or an over-sight?
it was intentional on the basis that it was probably going to complicate things and i thought the new setting would take extra space so go against that option but will investigate it if there is a wish for it.

I agree that when the album is collapsed there's no point in having the sub header, but would like to be able to see them when displaying the whole thing (by clicking "X more files").
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 09, 2013, 07:24:21 AM
I'm having the same problem with the contrast setting for the new subheading as I have for the album details in this view - when I change the contrast, the text gets darker rather than lighter (sort of like the default black text is showing through, rather than the background color of the skin).
if you are refering only to when you use the skin override element, then that is fixed for the next v2.2 update. In the interim if you set the bg attribute of that element to the same colour as the background it should work

This was fixed perfectly for the subheader, but the album info still does not respond to contrast settings in "customize panel settings".

The main reason I was looking through this thread again was to refresh my memory on the discussion about gaps.  I'm still not clear if there was a firm outcome, so please forgive me if this has already been decided against.

Basically, I'm hoping the number of blank lines at the end of a grouping can be reduced by 1.  In the current situation, when going from a track with a subheader to one without you get this:

Track 1
Subheader
Track 2
<blank line>
Track 3

If you check the option to put a blank line before the subheader, you get this:

Track 1
<blank line>
Subheader
Track 2
<blank line>
<blank line>
Track 3

What I'm asking for would mean that if there's no gap before the subheader, there's also no gap if the subheader goes away, whereas checking the blank line option creates only one line above and below.  There should still be a gap in cases of disc change, regardless of whether there's a subheader or not.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 09, 2013, 09:37:56 AM
there should be no blank line between track 2 and 3 (assuming they are in the same sub-group) unless the disc number has changed. A screenshot might help see why
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 09, 2013, 09:53:16 AM
Here you go:

(http://i.imgur.com/Fz2OUTY.png?1)

This is Search node, but it's the same in Music.

assuming they are in the same sub-group

Ah, I think we mutually missed something for a moment.  I'm interested in when changing between something that has a group and something that doesn't.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 09, 2013, 10:00:13 AM
so should the sub-header for "Perfect" be blank, the same as for "You Oughta Know" or is it simply not displaying?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 09, 2013, 10:01:12 AM
so should the sub-header for "Perfect" be blank, the same as for "You Oughta Know" or is it simply not displaying?

It's supposed to be blank.  See my edit above.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 09, 2013, 06:26:46 PM
ok, understood and i have made a tweak for the next v2.2 update so it doesnt put in the extra blank line in that case
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 09, 2013, 08:31:51 PM
You rock!  :)
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 09, 2013, 08:49:23 PM
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_2/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 09, 2013, 09:12:50 PM
Looks much better!  More symmetrical.  :)
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 10, 2013, 03:37:16 PM
So, another thing that comes up with the subheader is that in a skin with contrasting Content[TrackDetail].ListAlternating.Default, normally the first item in the list has the contrast color, but with a subheader it skips the contrast color and goes to the base color.  Could it be changed so that the first item under a subheader starts with the contrast color, just like the first item in a new album?
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on October 12, 2013, 10:42:01 AM
Could it be changed so that the first item under a subheader starts with the contrast color, just like the first item in a new album?

+1. Really think it would help the look of the feature.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 12, 2013, 10:56:47 AM
i did have a look at this but its not as straight-forward as it might seem so i didnt want to change things for this release
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on October 12, 2013, 01:31:45 PM
That's cool Steven. It's not exactly a major thing that I'm going to be waiting for with bated breath, so I'm happy to wait for if and when you have the time.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 12, 2013, 02:33:54 PM
That's cool Steven. It's not exactly a major thing that I'm going to be waiting for with bated breath, so I'm happy to wait for if and when you have the time.

Ditto!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 12, 2013, 03:24:10 PM
i found a smple way to do this so its done for the next update
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 12, 2013, 03:56:28 PM
i found a smple way to do this so its done for the next update

Are you sure your name isn't Montgomery Scott?  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Steven on October 12, 2013, 08:41:30 PM
http://musicbee.niblseed.com/V2_2/MusicBee_Exe_Patched.zip
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: Pingaware on October 12, 2013, 09:26:30 PM
I found a smple way to do this so it's done for the next update

Steven, you're a marvel. This works great, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: psychoadept on October 13, 2013, 02:49:55 AM
Looks great, thanks!
Title: Re: Improvements for Album and Tracks view with list heading
Post by: chw on June 19, 2019, 03:56:10 PM
Hello Steven

I would like to suggest, if possible, of course, the implementation of a second sub-header, as I believe it would improve the organization and the looks of the library regarding some albums in particular.

Let me explain myself.

I make use of both the SETSUBTITLE and the GROUPING tags, the first for labeling a whole section of an album, mostly discs, when they are labeled by the artist on the release (for example, “Disc 2 - Live at Somewhere”), and the latter for labeling a few tracks within a section of an album (for example, for “acts” or “movements” composed of a few tracks each but within the same section, ad thus within the same setsubtitle; or for labeling “Bonus Tracks” the last three tracks of Disc 1, and so on).

By using functions to create a virtual tag I’ve managed to display both of the tags in the sub-header, but as only one sub-header is available in the settings, all I can manage to do is, when a track is, for example, the first of the section and the first of its act, is to display the SETSUBTITLE and the GROUPING tag side-by-side in the same line, when I think the ideal would be to display first the SETSUBTITLE sub-header (the section) and then, on a new line, the GROUPING sub-header, followed by its track(s), as there is effectively an hierarchical organization (as the acts are part of the section).

I’ll provide an example.

What I manage to do now with one sub-header and a virtual tag:

Disc 1: Rock, Scissors, Paper - Act 1: Rock
Track 1
Track 2
Act 2: Scissors
Track 3
Track 4
Act 3: Paper
Track 5
Track 6

Disc 2: Live at Somewhere
Track 1
Track 2
Track 3
Bonus tracks
Track 4
Track 5

What a second sub-header would allow to be done:

Disc 1: Rock, Scissors, Paper
Act 1: Rock
Track 1
Track 2
Act 2: Scissors
Track 3
Track 4
Act 3: Paper
Track 5
Track 6

Disc 2: Live at Somewhere
Track 1
Track 2
Track 3
Bonus tracks
Track 4
Track 5

In the examples above the disc names are in the SETSUBTITLE tag, whereas the acts names and the “Bonus tracks” mention are in the GROUPING tag.

I hope I was able to make myself clear.

Any chance this can be implemented?