Over time, I've developed a habit of agreeing to these confirmations without fully reading them. Unfortunately, this led to an accidental deletion of my entire music collection when I mistakenly selected a folder instead of a single track.It's my fault, but it seems wrong that MusicBee allows you to so easily and irrevocably delete your entire music collection. I propose the following improvement to prevent such accidents.There's a lot to be said here, but I'll take this: first you complain about being asked so many confirmations, then complain because you stop reading them. The word "irrevocably" is simply not true--that means without using the Recycle Bin, which you must CONFIRM if that is the desired action.
The word "irrevocably" is simply not true--that means without using the Recycle Bin, which you must CONFIRM if that is the desired action.Unfortunately, he's correct over a certain size files will be permanently deleted and not sent to the recycle bin.
Unfortunately, he's correct over a certain size files will be permanently deleted and not sent to the recycle bin.That's correct. But that's a Windows thing, not something controlled by MB. So other than additional warnings, which the OP admits they don't read after a while, there's not much Steven can do.
Oh yes, I wasn't stating otherwise.@voodoopunk: despite my using your quote, my comment was directed to the OP.
But that's a Windows thing, not something controlled by MB. So other than additional warnings, which the OP admits they don't read after a while, there's not much Steven can do.I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.
I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.Hmmm ... yes, there's a popup from Windows. I would find it strange that MB would suppress that warning, so we'll have to wait to hear from Steven.
If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.
Simply paying attention to what you are doing is a prerequisite when running most applications.Yeah. At the same time, it always seemed to me that if the interface design is really good, it implies a protection from a user mistake (or from a fool). When I deleted my entire 10 year old collection in lossless my first thought was something like %u201CIs that real, lol? It was so easy?%u201D. It makes no difference to MB to destroy 200 GB or just 1 small track, that's what I think is the point that can be improved.
I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin. If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.Yeah, that's a good idea. Sometimes I accidentally misclicked and tried to delete large file folders in Windows. Due to the fact that in Windows, regular files can be deleted without confirmation and large files with confirmation, it saved me.
It's still shown. My own feeling is why should MusicBee be involved in "user-proofing" matters that deal universally with how the Windows operating system operates, not how MusicBee operates. I'm sorry maybe I'm not being patient today but how the OP made an issue out of some niche action he mistakenly did and then expects Steven to add even more warnings, etc. after complaining he's stopped reading the warnings "blows my mind." How many people, and how often, mistakenly attempt to delete 200GB worth of files that now we have to take over the perfectly adequate "handling" of the situation by Windows? Not to be taken as a personal attack. The OP is to be commended for having backups of his collection--that is the ultimate "red arrows," etc.I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.Hmmm ... yes, there's a popup from Windows. I would find it strange that MB would suppress that warning, so we'll have to wait to hear from Steven.
If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.
...How many people, and how often, mistakenly attempt to delete 200GB worth of files...I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.Hmmm ... yes, there's a popup from Windows. I would find it strange that MB would suppress that warning, so we'll have to wait to hear from Steven.
If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.
This topic has scared me because I was not aware it was possible to completely delete and lose folders because they are too big for the recycle bin. This should not be possible so easily!!The only thing in proportion to potential loss of a lifetime of collecting is regular backups. Anyone not doing that SHOULD be scared, not because it's so "easy" to delete large amounts of files. Windows had to made useable and flexible and not over-restrained across a large list of situations. If I want to delete 300GB of files, I expect Windows to allow me to do that after being appropriately warned, which is what indeed happens. MusicBee aside, Windows can be set to never allow permanent deletion of ANYTHING without warning. What else can be expected? What I don't want is to be hand-held across every possible scenario when I do actions I have approved of. I keep multiple SSD backups of my entire Windows and Data drives. Why be afraid? If "most people don't do regular backups" then yes, they have a problem.
It's rare but it only needs to happen once.
As important as backing up is, in reality most people don't do regular backups, so the software has to have some effective built in safeties which are in proportion to the potential loss.
The word "irrevocably" is simply not true--that means without using the Recycle Bin, which you must CONFIRM if that is the desired action.Unfortunately, he's correct over a certain size files will be permanently deleted and not sent to the recycle bin.
Now I am confused.I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.It's still shown.
If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.
It's normal not to read the warning when deleting tracks,I disagree. The warnings pop up for a reason. If you choose to ignore them, then you risk the consequences.
This topic has scared me because I was not aware it was possible to completely delete and lose folders because they are too big for the recycle bin. This should not be possible so easily!!This is an OS issue, not MusicBee. Take MB out of the equation. How many warnings does the OS pop up when deleting large numbers of files or folders? Backups are your best friend.
I'm all for:Again all just extra steps to end up in the same place. If you click through one window odds are you click through more. The reality is that even if there were three or four pop up boxes that stated -
An option to disable the delete key for folders (right click only)
An option to give a double warning for folders
A red warning screen for folders
I know you are addressing Abendstern, but though he beats around the bush a lot I am unable to find anything where he states Windows does not warn you if the too-large-files are deleted using MusicBee. I have personally done this recently by accident (delete a folder), but now that I think about it damn if I can remember it was it was from inside MusicBee or Explorer. I can say that when I did so, the OS gave the message pop-up that the folder was too large to be deleted to the recycle bin, and offered to just cancel. I would expect an OS-level warning to appear regardless from what application is attempting the action.Now I am confused.I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.It's still shown.
If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.
You are saying that it will show (as I would expect), but Abendstern says there is no warning at all.
@Abendstern:
Can you confirm that Windows does not warn you when files are too large for the recycle bin when you delete them using MusicBee?
Again all just extra steps to end up in the same place. If you click through one window odds are you click through more. The reality is that even if there were three or four pop up boxes that stated -Thanks for some precious sanity, +1.
"Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Are you really sure you want to do this?"
"Are you really, reaalllllyyyy sure you want to do this?"
- users that ignore the warnings will still click through them all.
The fix is simple. Don't tell MusicBee to delete files if you don't want them deleted. If you don't want to lose valuable information don't mindlessly click through warning windows. And ALWAYS have regular backups of your precious music library just in case you do. There are many other reasons where files can get lost that MusicBee also can't control (drive failure?} that a backup will save your sanity. Have more than one, and update them often.
He certainly implied that he lost 200GB of music because he wasn't warned that it would get deleted permanently....I know you are addressing Abendstern...Now I am confused.I'm pretty sure that Windows shows a popup warning when files are too large for the recycle bin.It's still shown.
If that message is currently somehow suppressed by MusicBee, perhaps that could be changed.
You are saying that it will show (as I would expect), but Abendstern says there is no warning at all.
@Abendstern:
Can you confirm that Windows does not warn you when files are too large for the recycle bin when you delete them using MusicBee?
...I am unable to find anything where he states Windows does not warn you if the too-large-files are deleted using MusicBee...
I would expect an OS-level warning to appear regardless from what application is attempting the action.That depends on how the application has been programmed.
My.Computer.FileSystem.DeleteFile("S:\Test.mkv", FileIO.UIOption.AllDialogs, FileIO.RecycleOption.SendToRecycleBin)IO.File.Delete("S:\Test.mkv")My own feeling is why should MusicBee be involved in "user-proofing" matters that deal universally with how the Windows operating system operates, not how MusicBee operates.You are right. My topic is about how MusicBee operates. I don't care how Windows handles its own matters.
@Abendstern:Yes, I can confirm that Windows didn't warn me when I was deleting 200gb. But that's normal, isn't it? MusicBee deletes files bypassing Windows warnings, as it probably should. The only warnings that MusicBee showed me can be seen in the images from imgur.
Can you confirm that Windows does not warn you when files are too large for the recycle bin when you delete them using MusicBee?
I know you are addressing Abendstern, but though he beats around the bush a lot I am unable to find anything where he states Windows does not warn you if the too-large-files are deleted using MusicBee. I have personally done this recently by accident (delete a folder), but now that I think about it damn if I can remember it was it was from inside MusicBee or Explorer. I can say that when I did so, the OS gave the message pop-up that the folder was too large to be deleted to the recycle bin, and offered to just cancel. I would expect an OS-level warning to appear regardless from what application is attempting the action.
He certainly implied that he lost 200GB of music because he wasn't warned that it would get deleted permanently.I was warned by MusicBee, as on imgur.
It would be good if he clears that up.
I was warned by MusicBee.I see.
If the OP's 200gb was a folder containing files that totaled 200gb, Windows would not have warned.No, it warns you when you delete even a folder where the containing files inside weigh total 200gb if you delete from Windows using Explorer. MusicBee will delete that folder without triggering Windows warnings. If that's what we're still talking about. I just checked, I'm running Windows 11.
Apparently MB hides, suppresses, or otherwise doesn't show, the warning from Windows.Yes, that's it.
No, it warns you when you delete even a folder where the containing files inside weigh total 200gb if you delete from Windows using Explorer.That's not what I experienced. But I'm not going to bother creating another large file/folder and test again.
It's normal not to read the warning when deleting tracks,I disagree. The warnings pop up for a reason. If you choose to ignore them, then you risk the consequences.
I'm all for:Again all just extra steps to end up in the same place. If you click through one window odds are you click through more. The reality is that even if there were three or four pop up boxes that stated -
An option to disable the delete key for folders (right click only)
An option to give a double warning for folders
A red warning screen for folders
"Are you sure you want to do this?"
"Are you really sure you want to do this?"
"Are you really, reaalllllyyyy sure you want to do this?"
- users that ignore the warnings will still click through them all.
The fix is simple. Don't tell MusicBee to delete files if you don't want them deleted. If you don't want to lose valuable information don't mindlessly click through warning windows. And ALWAYS have regular backups of your precious music library just in case you do. There are many other reasons where files can get lost that MusicBee also can't control (drive failure?} that a backup will save your sanity. Have more than one, and update them often.
Respectfully Sir, I for one remain completely in the dark about what it is you are trying to say. The first paragraph says OS Windows provides a warning when the deletion is attempted from OS Explorer. Then you go on to say, MUSICBEE will delete that folder "without triggering Windows warnings." Does that mean without triggering the OS Windows warning pop-up, period, or, it won't show the OS pop-up but instead shows a version of its own?If the OP's 200gb was a folder containing files that totaled 200gb, Windows would not have warned.No, it warns you when you delete even a folder where the containing files inside weigh total 200gb if you delete from Windows using Explorer. MusicBee will delete that folder without triggering Windows warnings. If that's what we're still talking about. I just checked, I'm running Windows 11.Apparently MB hides, suppresses, or otherwise doesn't show, the warning from Windows.Yes, that's it.
The first paragraph says OS Windows provides a warning when the deletion is attempted from OS Explorer. Then you go on to say, MUSICBEE will delete that folder "without triggering Windows warnings." Does that mean without triggering the OS Windows warning pop-up, period, or, it won't show the OS pop-up but instead shows a version of its own?Yes, it means without triggering the OS Windows warning pop-up. It won't show the OS pop-up, but instead shows a version of its own: https://i.imgur.com/rQ1l6oe.png
When a folder larger than the OS imposed limit is attempted to be deleted within MusicBee, does MusicBee show a warning message OF ANY KIND (it's own write, or the standard OS warning) first?Yes, it shows MusicBee's writed own one warning, when you are deleting a folder: https://i.imgur.com/rQ1l6oe.png
If the answer is "yes," the whole discussion is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.Disagree.
If you delete 8 tracks in a row, you might read it the first time but are you going to read it the next 7 times? Maybe you would, but many others would not because the intent is to do the same thing multiple times, it's just muscle memory. This doesn't make the confirmation useless, it avoids a delete when accidentally hitting the delete key by requiring a two button combination.I'm afraid it's too complex a concept for them to grasp. I guess it's naive for me to assume that I'll be understood by people who don't delete a lot of files in MusicBee because they have a different style of listening to music and working with files.
The only mistake that can happen is a misclick on a folder which is a small chance, but users are not aware that large sizes can be wiped clean from the drive so maybe they aren't clicking carefully either. I don't get the issue of an optional safe delete, whether that should be enabled or disabled by default I'll leave up to others to decide.
Thanks for not giving up in getting us to see this.It was already established and pointed out 22 posts ago. (reply #7)
Thanks for not giving up in getting us to see this.It was already established and pointed out 22 posts ago. (reply #7)
Which is why I am thanking him for posting it again.Not really, you thanked him for "getting us(?) to understand"
You dug back through 22 posts full of nested quotes and screenshots just to point that out?Nope, that would be a useless waste of time.