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General => Beyond MusicBee => Topic started by: zehuti on November 14, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
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What brand AVR Receiver \ Amplifier \ DAC you have? And do you stream music to it, or just connected by "line in". Or something else?
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Don't laugh until you try it! It uses a Texas Instrument 3116D amp chip, which is rated in 4ohms. So you're actual output using 8ohm speakers is more like 60-75 per channel. However, I still don't know how they get 200 watts out of a 90 watt power supply they give you. HAHAHA. Must be some secret power generating system. Loud enough, though.
(https://i.imgur.com/dubkog9.jpg)
Running these:
(https://i.imgur.com/fYkg4dY.jpg)
Oh yeah, back in the day I had everything from 1984 Yamaha receivers, 1970s BOSE 901s, the venerable Cerwin Vega HED speakers with 12" woofers, Paradigm surround sound systems,yadda, yadda. I do have to say I like the sub/satellite speaker set ups the best. But that's easy with one of these cheap little class D amps. They have them with a Sub out also. So I can use the above speakers are satellites if I ever wanted to do that.
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NAD D3020 DAC here connected to my computer via USB. Should really upgrade my speakers but for a desktop system I think it sounds good.
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Don't laugh until you try it! It uses a Texas Instrument 3116D amp chip, which is rated in 4ohms.
Yeah ! a FDA !
I personally use the SMSL Q5 Pro (https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/full-digital-amplifier-fda/smsl-q5-pro-fda-amplifier-tas5508-2x25w-subwoofer-output-8-ohm-cs5341-sa9023-black-p-10337.html) and I'm amazed !
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Don't laugh until you try it! It uses a Texas Instrument 3116D amp chip, which is rated in 4ohms.
Yeah ! a FDA !
I personally use the SMSL Q5 Pro (https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/full-digital-amplifier-fda/smsl-q5-pro-fda-amplifier-tas5508-2x25w-subwoofer-output-8-ohm-cs5341-sa9023-black-p-10337.html) and I'm amazed !
I actually looked at those.They are really nice.They use a class D amp chip too. It's the European competition for TI's 3116D. I think they use an ST chip made in Europe. This is a nice one, too, but it only has Bluetooth 4.2 and I wanted BT 5.0. Also, I wated a treble and bass control. It's also 3x+ what the little G3 is. SMSL AD18 80wtts a side with Sub out (https://www.amazon.com/S-M-S-L-AD18-Amplifier-Bluetooth-Subwoofer/dp/B071JN7GXN/ref=pd_cp_23_2/142-0314245-9457129?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B071JN7GXN&pd_rd_r=34f42323-331c-43dc-8f60-8f473f181ea6&pd_rd_w=gTVJg&pd_rd_wg=OF1P4&pf_rd_p=0e5324e1-c848-4872-bbd5-5be6baedf80e&pf_rd_r=ZX50S1JKKAA5B2YQ4BCR&psc=1&refRID=ZX50S1JKKAA5B2YQ4BCR)
I actually sent that Nobsound 15 pro back and kept the G3 model.
(https://i.imgur.com/siLzuVN.jpg)
I would actually love for someone here to put a couple of those on a spectrum analyzer and then post the results and explain exactly what these amps do and how well they do it.
One reason I sent the other Nobsound back was that it's output is twice that of the G3 at 4ohms, or 100 watts per channel using two of the same chips. My problem is: How do you get 200 watts from a 90 watt power supply, or, even a power supply is 24V @ 5Amps or 120 watts?
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Musicbee on a 1st generation NUC-->Schiit Bifrost Multibit DAC-->Marantz PM8004 integrated amp-->pair of Klipsch KF-28 floorstanding speakers.
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Daily listening: Topping D10s
Tinkering time: MOTO 896HD
Swiss knife: Behringer DEQ2496
Pre-amp: Philips 22AH209* (2 units)
Loudspeakers: Philips 22AH587* or Philips 22AH567*
Both MFB (Motional FeedBack - electronic filtering & active amplification)
(Either one depending on music choice and / mood)
* All vintage Philips equipment fully restored (recently done)
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Pre-amp: Philips 22AH209* (2 units)
Loudspeakers: Philips 22AH587* or Philips 22AH567*
Both MFB (Motional FeedBack - electronic filtering & active amplification)
I am jealous.
I've heard music on such MFB speakers in my youth (somewhere in-between dinosaurs and LLMs), and I tell myself I can still remember their 'sound'.
(the same with Hepta Menhir)
Similar to remembering when (and where) I heard an artist for the very first time in my life.
Must be fun enjoying them.
Something like this (https://mfbfreaks.com/motional-feedback/hifi-apparatuur/voorversterkers/22rh551/) is next, right?
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And if space is not an issue, you could do this. The Grateful Dead's infamous Wall of Sound. Each instrument had it's own column of speakers with exception of the bass guitar, which had one column for each of its four strings.
(http://i.imgur.com/vHoJIhGl.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/vHoJIhG.jpeg)
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Each instrument had it's own column of speakers with exception of the bass guitar, which had one column for each of its four strings.
Wow
Should have been there. For sure.
And now the world has some Taylor Swift, a 34 old woman singing songs with the mindset of a 16 yr. old girl.
Performing in stadiums blasting mainly volume and reverb. And yet ticket sales going through the roof.
I believe the world (on average) has been getting better for the last couple of decades, but I am not so sure if that includes music.
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Should have been there. For sure.
I saw it in person one time. It was amazing. I can't remember the tonnage of the Wall, but I recall that it took two (or three) tractor trailers to haul it around. It took two full days to assemble. And since the Dead often had shows a few days apart in different locations, they had to have two Walls and the sound crews would leap-frog from venue to venue.
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Pre-amp: Philips 22AH209* (2 units)
Loudspeakers: Philips 22AH587* or Philips 22AH567*
Both MFB (Motional FeedBack - electronic filtering & active amplification)
I am jealous.
I've heard music on such MFB speakers in my youth (somewhere in-between dinosaurs and LLMs), and I tell myself I can still remember their 'sound'.
(the same with Hepta Menhir)
Similar to remembering when (and where) I heard an artist for the very first time in my life.
Must be fun enjoying them.
Something like this (https://mfbfreaks.com/motional-feedback/hifi-apparatuur/voorversterkers/22rh551/) is next, right?
Similar to you, I heard the Philips 22AH587 MFB when i was 16 or 17 i guess at my friends house, his father had some 587 & 586 (which i don't like, 586 that is), and right there and then i knew those are my dream speakers, too costly at that time but "I had a dream"... one day...
I have played around with many professional systems in my career, most big name brands I have had my hands (and ears) on, from small hall until full scale stadiums but I never forgot the small 587 MFB's from Philips.
I even hand carry a set 22AH587 for my personal use to Asia and it still remains there until today...
In the past 5~6 years I have come across many secondhand ones (often not working) and managed to buy all the ones I liked the sound from in one way or the other.
I have 541 for editing video, 585 I use for TV, 587 for jazz & acoustic (classical) as this speaker has a fantastic sound-stage, beautiful clean highs because of the 15 ohm dome tweeter and the MFB electronics in the low Driver keep the mechanical movement of the 8 inch woofer clean and very precise, after the electronic input filter is "stooped" and passes low frequencies until 27 Hz !
The 22AH567 with the 10 inch low driver is most suitable for rock and the harder stuff, dance and house, the speaker is less refined in the sound-stage (actually not that great) but it has an enormous big low and clean bass with tons of pressure 8)
I Have sort of specialized myself in restoring (reviving) these ~45 year old loudspeakers, they need a lot of love in the electronic department, but once they are properly re-capped, new relais and transistors, adjusted again following factory measurements (of course cabinet vacuum etc) you can place them next to any brand (i can think of) and they (i would say) beat them by a mile.
Also the pre-amps are pristine after a full re-cap and they are a matched set very hard to beat in quality, I love the 22AH209 so much I have 5 units fully restored by myself (pssssst, don't tell anyone :))
In Holland you have Marktplaats, similar to eBay, and there i find most loudspeakers, also, because I lived for 27 years in Asia, i have missed a lot of "Europe & Usa" music (it's besides the biggest hits very different there) and have been buying a lot of secondhand CD's the past 5~6 years to for rock bottom prices, as Dutch people like to stream (spotify etc), I have still thousands CD's to rip, nice work for the winter months...
I also have 2 more sets of 22ah587, 1 set 22AH541 and 1 set 22AH544 to restore, something for this coming winter or the next, depending on how many sets of 22AH587 I still can find :)
So far i have restored almost a dozen sets of various models MFB loudspeakers for friends & myself, not doing it professionally, just as hobby.
Of course sound is very personal, so to claim this is the best loudspeaker ever is nonsense, but, if you have the opportunity to ever listen (or buy) the 22AH587 (stooped !) do it!
As for the link with the 22RH551, that will not be my next project, I believe in the right tool for the job (if affordable for me), therefore I'm not a Philips die hard per se.
From my youth i have 1000+ vinyl 12 inches, played on my Technics Sl1210's (now 1 unit in the living room), Dataq GPM 8.2 mixer, after than added Alcatech BPM studio with RCP-2000-A controller, then I worked 20+ years in (asia) professional rental systems, i did sound systems - playback and recording (hence my personal Moto896HD x2 units), a bit of light, laser systems (cartoon drawing - product launches etc) and some video editing, now I'm back in Holland and using MusicBee to play digital files :)
My vinyl DJ - mixing days are more or less done (but will never sell it of - maybe someday i will start again) sometimes I play around with the old and aging BPM studio, would like to have a set (or 2) Pioneer CDJ Nexus, but the bank denied my 3rd mortgage...
My biggest dream will be to find an affordable 22AH545, the biggest (oldest) Philips MFB studio loudspeaker, not so much because it sounds good, far from it, the 22AH587sound much better but, well you know, bigger, louder... 12 inch woofer, you know the drill :)
From what i read in your posts you're in to classical music then this 22AH587 shown below would be a perfect fit for you... trust me.
(https://i.imgur.com/c5GptLA.jpeg]https://i.imgur.com/c5GptLA.jpeg)
Small compact self-powered loudspeaker that packs a serious punch with pristine clean warm sound that thrills....
Shown at the bottom the very HQ pre-amp 22AH209, perfect combination
That's about it in a nut shell...
A Happy MusicBee user, i wish i found it a lifetime ago.... 8)
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Wow, that's passion, devotion, and using your ears for making decisions and having opinions.
(in regard to this topic) I was probably more biassed towards the vintage, plastic Philips look with green-eyed VU meters etc.
This thread just made me remember my very first amplifier:
(https://i.imgur.com/Yp0WEq0.jpeg)
(I am guessing it was passed on to me from my grandfather or some relative or something, I have no idea, I was too young)
That green light turning on when flipping the switch was magic already, even before the music started ;-)
The pre-amplifier you are describing is an interesting example of using your ears, and not your wallet or visual appearance.
If the average person (me too) would run into it in some thrift store, he probably wouldn't spend more than $10,- on it.
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Wrong picture, mine had 'stereo' written like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/Lh516h0.jpeg)
(it's crazy how one remembers stuff like this)
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The pre-amplifier you are describing is an interesting example of using your ears, and not your wallet or visual appearance.
If the average person (me too) would run into it in some thrift store, he probably wouldn't spend more than $10,- on it.
I wish more people would look at it like $10 (https://shop.mfbfreaks.com/product/philips-22ah209-voorversterker/) bucks retro junk :)
Luckily i know that it's more than 2 Kg thick aluminum (not that that's important) but it has high grade components in its guts, and believe me.. it packed full
It's always cold to the touch, as this is not that funky China aluminum.
But the first, and actually every-time you will touch any turning knob (that is made from machined aluminum) you get that wow, o.k feeling, this toy has mine full attention, and all the knobs have those click click click steps, which those days were used in the higher segment of HiFi products.
And for the nerds or audiophiles ... the specs are amazing, even by today's standard.
But as you mentioned above, i use my ears to judge, maybe i should learn reading as well :)
btw, nice green light, i'm still pulled to that ...
Tony_D.
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btw, nice green light, i'm still pulled to that ...
(https://i.imgur.com/v6sye6g.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nEW8VXM.png)
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btw, nice green light, i'm still pulled to that ...
(https://i.imgur.com/v6sye6g.jpeg)
That's like Kyptonite Green 👀
I give up YOU WIN 😭
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A Rotel A12 integrated amp, and a Cyrus One (original) integrated amp. The Rotel drives A & B speakers, has an integrated DAC, and Bluetooth as my primary setup. I also have 3 CD/SACD players/transports, with their own built-in DACS like every other such device. (I also have 2 HiBy DAPs/DACS, but no other DAC or streaming devices.)
I stream regularly to/through the Rotel, using most often a music-dedicated Surface Pro 2 with a 512GB microSD card, running MusicBee, of course! The microSD card stores my digital music collection consisting mostly of CD/MB-ripped FLAC and 320-kbps MP3 files. I also have an Amazon Music app running on the Surface Pro, among other devices, to stream my Amazon Music Unlimited subscription.
Finally, I have an internet radio tuner connected to the Rotel to stream music stations from around the globe.
The only green light I have is the DBX logo that comes on when I power up my also-attached Technics cassette player. ;)